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Square roots and cube roots equation



Square roots and cube roots equation


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If $p=3a-4$,
$$sqrtp+sqrt[3]1-p=1.$$
If $q=5-3a$,
$$sqrt1-q+sqrt[3]q=1.$$
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    Solve over real $a$
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    If $p=3a-4$,
    $$sqrtp+sqrt[3]1-p=1.$$
    If $q=5-3a$,
    $$sqrt1-q+sqrt[3]q=1.$$
    Seems useful, but not sure how to proceed.










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      Solve over real $a$
      $$sqrt3a-4+sqrt[3]5-3a=1.$$



      If $p=3a-4$,
      $$sqrtp+sqrt[3]1-p=1.$$
      If $q=5-3a$,
      $$sqrt1-q+sqrt[3]q=1.$$
      Seems useful, but not sure how to proceed.










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      Solve over real $a$
      $$sqrt3a-4+sqrt[3]5-3a=1.$$



      If $p=3a-4$,
      $$sqrtp+sqrt[3]1-p=1.$$
      If $q=5-3a$,
      $$sqrt1-q+sqrt[3]q=1.$$
      Seems useful, but not sure how to proceed.







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          Let $x:=sqrtp$ so $0=1-x^2-(1-x)^3=x(1-x)(3-x)$ and$$xin0,,1,,3implies p=x^2in0,,1,,9implies ainlefttfrac43,,tfrac53,,tfrac133right,$$all of which work.






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            Could you please elaborate at how the roots were removed? It looks very clever. Thanks.
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            @NoChance $$1-left(sqrt3a-4right)^2-overbraceleft(sqrt[3]5-3aright)^3^left(1-sqrt3a-4right)^3=0$$
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          Using your first substitution:



          $$beginalign*
          sqrt p+sqrt[3]1-p&=1\[1ex]
          sqrt[3]1-p&=1-sqrt p\[1ex]
          1-p&=(1-sqrt p)^3\[1ex]
          1-p&=1-3sqrt p+3p-|p|sqrt p\[1ex]
          endalign*$$



          If $p=3a-4ge0$ (and this is the only case if you're looking for real-valued solutions, since $sqrt p$ would be defined only for $pge0$), or $agefrac43$, then $|p|=p$:



          $$beginalign*
          1-p&=1-3sqrt p+3p-psqrt p\[1ex]
          1-p&=1+3p-(3+p)sqrt p\[1ex]
          4p&=(3+p)sqrt p\[1ex]
          frac4p3+p&=sqrt p\[1ex]
          frac16p^2(3+p)^2&=p\[1ex]
          16p^2&=p(3+p)^2\[1ex]
          16p^2&=p^3+6p^2+9p\[1ex]
          p(p-1)(p-9)&=0
          endalign*$$



          Then either $p=0$, $p=1$, or $p=9$, which means either $a=frac43$, $a=frac53$, or $a=frac133$.






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            One strategy is to get rid of the cube root first. Two reasons: first, it is the most complicated part of the problem; second, if you are working in the real numbers you can always take a cube root, but square roots require some care.



            So write $x^3=5-3a$ to get $sqrt 1-x^3=1-x$



            (It is obvious from this that $x=1$ is a solution). Now square this, conscious that squaring is likely to produce solutions which belong to the negative square root as well as the positive square root. $$1-x^3=(1-x)^2$$



            One solution is $x=1$, and otherwise divide by $(1-x)$ to obtain $1+x+x^2=1-x$ or $x^2+2x=0$



            Then work backwards and check that the solutions work for the original equation (and not the one with the negative square root).



            That seems to work more smoothly than the other methods which have been suggested.






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              It is indeed useful. Write
              $$
              sqrt[3]1-p=1-sqrtp
              $$

              and cube:
              $$
              1-p=1-3sqrtp+3p-psqrtp
              $$

              Writing $r=sqrtp$ you get
              $$
              r^3-4r^2+3r=0
              $$

              and the rest should be easy. Just beware that the solutions are subject to $rge0$ and $pge0$ (in this case there's no problem, however).






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                Let $x:=sqrtp$ so $0=1-x^2-(1-x)^3=x(1-x)(3-x)$ and$$xin0,,1,,3implies p=x^2in0,,1,,9implies ainlefttfrac43,,tfrac53,,tfrac133right,$$all of which work.






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                  Could you please elaborate at how the roots were removed? It looks very clever. Thanks.
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                  @NoChance $$1-left(sqrt3a-4right)^2-overbraceleft(sqrt[3]5-3aright)^3^left(1-sqrt3a-4right)^3=0$$
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                  @PeterForeman, this helps thanks.
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                Let $x:=sqrtp$ so $0=1-x^2-(1-x)^3=x(1-x)(3-x)$ and$$xin0,,1,,3implies p=x^2in0,,1,,9implies ainlefttfrac43,,tfrac53,,tfrac133right,$$all of which work.






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                  @NoChance $$1-left(sqrt3a-4right)^2-overbraceleft(sqrt[3]5-3aright)^3^left(1-sqrt3a-4right)^3=0$$
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                Let $x:=sqrtp$ so $0=1-x^2-(1-x)^3=x(1-x)(3-x)$ and$$xin0,,1,,3implies p=x^2in0,,1,,9implies ainlefttfrac43,,tfrac53,,tfrac133right,$$all of which work.






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                Let $x:=sqrtp$ so $0=1-x^2-(1-x)^3=x(1-x)(3-x)$ and$$xin0,,1,,3implies p=x^2in0,,1,,9implies ainlefttfrac43,,tfrac53,,tfrac133right,$$all of which work.







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                  @NoChance $$1-left(sqrt3a-4right)^2-overbraceleft(sqrt[3]5-3aright)^3^left(1-sqrt3a-4right)^3=0$$
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                  $begingroup$
                  @NoChance $$1-left(sqrt3a-4right)^2-overbraceleft(sqrt[3]5-3aright)^3^left(1-sqrt3a-4right)^3=0$$
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                  @PeterForeman, this helps thanks.
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                Could you please elaborate at how the roots were removed? It looks very clever. Thanks.
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                $begingroup$
                @NoChance $$1-left(sqrt3a-4right)^2-overbraceleft(sqrt[3]5-3aright)^3^left(1-sqrt3a-4right)^3=0$$
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                @PeterForeman, this helps thanks.
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                $begingroup$
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                Using your first substitution:



                $$beginalign*
                sqrt p+sqrt[3]1-p&=1\[1ex]
                sqrt[3]1-p&=1-sqrt p\[1ex]
                1-p&=(1-sqrt p)^3\[1ex]
                1-p&=1-3sqrt p+3p-|p|sqrt p\[1ex]
                endalign*$$



                If $p=3a-4ge0$ (and this is the only case if you're looking for real-valued solutions, since $sqrt p$ would be defined only for $pge0$), or $agefrac43$, then $|p|=p$:



                $$beginalign*
                1-p&=1-3sqrt p+3p-psqrt p\[1ex]
                1-p&=1+3p-(3+p)sqrt p\[1ex]
                4p&=(3+p)sqrt p\[1ex]
                frac4p3+p&=sqrt p\[1ex]
                frac16p^2(3+p)^2&=p\[1ex]
                16p^2&=p(3+p)^2\[1ex]
                16p^2&=p^3+6p^2+9p\[1ex]
                p(p-1)(p-9)&=0
                endalign*$$



                Then either $p=0$, $p=1$, or $p=9$, which means either $a=frac43$, $a=frac53$, or $a=frac133$.






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                  Using your first substitution:



                  $$beginalign*
                  sqrt p+sqrt[3]1-p&=1\[1ex]
                  sqrt[3]1-p&=1-sqrt p\[1ex]
                  1-p&=(1-sqrt p)^3\[1ex]
                  1-p&=1-3sqrt p+3p-|p|sqrt p\[1ex]
                  endalign*$$



                  If $p=3a-4ge0$ (and this is the only case if you're looking for real-valued solutions, since $sqrt p$ would be defined only for $pge0$), or $agefrac43$, then $|p|=p$:



                  $$beginalign*
                  1-p&=1-3sqrt p+3p-psqrt p\[1ex]
                  1-p&=1+3p-(3+p)sqrt p\[1ex]
                  4p&=(3+p)sqrt p\[1ex]
                  frac4p3+p&=sqrt p\[1ex]
                  frac16p^2(3+p)^2&=p\[1ex]
                  16p^2&=p(3+p)^2\[1ex]
                  16p^2&=p^3+6p^2+9p\[1ex]
                  p(p-1)(p-9)&=0
                  endalign*$$



                  Then either $p=0$, $p=1$, or $p=9$, which means either $a=frac43$, $a=frac53$, or $a=frac133$.






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                    Using your first substitution:



                    $$beginalign*
                    sqrt p+sqrt[3]1-p&=1\[1ex]
                    sqrt[3]1-p&=1-sqrt p\[1ex]
                    1-p&=(1-sqrt p)^3\[1ex]
                    1-p&=1-3sqrt p+3p-|p|sqrt p\[1ex]
                    endalign*$$



                    If $p=3a-4ge0$ (and this is the only case if you're looking for real-valued solutions, since $sqrt p$ would be defined only for $pge0$), or $agefrac43$, then $|p|=p$:



                    $$beginalign*
                    1-p&=1-3sqrt p+3p-psqrt p\[1ex]
                    1-p&=1+3p-(3+p)sqrt p\[1ex]
                    4p&=(3+p)sqrt p\[1ex]
                    frac4p3+p&=sqrt p\[1ex]
                    frac16p^2(3+p)^2&=p\[1ex]
                    16p^2&=p(3+p)^2\[1ex]
                    16p^2&=p^3+6p^2+9p\[1ex]
                    p(p-1)(p-9)&=0
                    endalign*$$



                    Then either $p=0$, $p=1$, or $p=9$, which means either $a=frac43$, $a=frac53$, or $a=frac133$.






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                    Using your first substitution:



                    $$beginalign*
                    sqrt p+sqrt[3]1-p&=1\[1ex]
                    sqrt[3]1-p&=1-sqrt p\[1ex]
                    1-p&=(1-sqrt p)^3\[1ex]
                    1-p&=1-3sqrt p+3p-|p|sqrt p\[1ex]
                    endalign*$$



                    If $p=3a-4ge0$ (and this is the only case if you're looking for real-valued solutions, since $sqrt p$ would be defined only for $pge0$), or $agefrac43$, then $|p|=p$:



                    $$beginalign*
                    1-p&=1-3sqrt p+3p-psqrt p\[1ex]
                    1-p&=1+3p-(3+p)sqrt p\[1ex]
                    4p&=(3+p)sqrt p\[1ex]
                    frac4p3+p&=sqrt p\[1ex]
                    frac16p^2(3+p)^2&=p\[1ex]
                    16p^2&=p(3+p)^2\[1ex]
                    16p^2&=p^3+6p^2+9p\[1ex]
                    p(p-1)(p-9)&=0
                    endalign*$$



                    Then either $p=0$, $p=1$, or $p=9$, which means either $a=frac43$, $a=frac53$, or $a=frac133$.







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                        One strategy is to get rid of the cube root first. Two reasons: first, it is the most complicated part of the problem; second, if you are working in the real numbers you can always take a cube root, but square roots require some care.



                        So write $x^3=5-3a$ to get $sqrt 1-x^3=1-x$



                        (It is obvious from this that $x=1$ is a solution). Now square this, conscious that squaring is likely to produce solutions which belong to the negative square root as well as the positive square root. $$1-x^3=(1-x)^2$$



                        One solution is $x=1$, and otherwise divide by $(1-x)$ to obtain $1+x+x^2=1-x$ or $x^2+2x=0$



                        Then work backwards and check that the solutions work for the original equation (and not the one with the negative square root).



                        That seems to work more smoothly than the other methods which have been suggested.






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                          One strategy is to get rid of the cube root first. Two reasons: first, it is the most complicated part of the problem; second, if you are working in the real numbers you can always take a cube root, but square roots require some care.



                          So write $x^3=5-3a$ to get $sqrt 1-x^3=1-x$



                          (It is obvious from this that $x=1$ is a solution). Now square this, conscious that squaring is likely to produce solutions which belong to the negative square root as well as the positive square root. $$1-x^3=(1-x)^2$$



                          One solution is $x=1$, and otherwise divide by $(1-x)$ to obtain $1+x+x^2=1-x$ or $x^2+2x=0$



                          Then work backwards and check that the solutions work for the original equation (and not the one with the negative square root).



                          That seems to work more smoothly than the other methods which have been suggested.






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                            $begingroup$

                            One strategy is to get rid of the cube root first. Two reasons: first, it is the most complicated part of the problem; second, if you are working in the real numbers you can always take a cube root, but square roots require some care.



                            So write $x^3=5-3a$ to get $sqrt 1-x^3=1-x$



                            (It is obvious from this that $x=1$ is a solution). Now square this, conscious that squaring is likely to produce solutions which belong to the negative square root as well as the positive square root. $$1-x^3=(1-x)^2$$



                            One solution is $x=1$, and otherwise divide by $(1-x)$ to obtain $1+x+x^2=1-x$ or $x^2+2x=0$



                            Then work backwards and check that the solutions work for the original equation (and not the one with the negative square root).



                            That seems to work more smoothly than the other methods which have been suggested.






                            share|cite|improve this answer









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                            One strategy is to get rid of the cube root first. Two reasons: first, it is the most complicated part of the problem; second, if you are working in the real numbers you can always take a cube root, but square roots require some care.



                            So write $x^3=5-3a$ to get $sqrt 1-x^3=1-x$



                            (It is obvious from this that $x=1$ is a solution). Now square this, conscious that squaring is likely to produce solutions which belong to the negative square root as well as the positive square root. $$1-x^3=(1-x)^2$$



                            One solution is $x=1$, and otherwise divide by $(1-x)$ to obtain $1+x+x^2=1-x$ or $x^2+2x=0$



                            Then work backwards and check that the solutions work for the original equation (and not the one with the negative square root).



                            That seems to work more smoothly than the other methods which have been suggested.







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                                It is indeed useful. Write
                                $$
                                sqrt[3]1-p=1-sqrtp
                                $$

                                and cube:
                                $$
                                1-p=1-3sqrtp+3p-psqrtp
                                $$

                                Writing $r=sqrtp$ you get
                                $$
                                r^3-4r^2+3r=0
                                $$

                                and the rest should be easy. Just beware that the solutions are subject to $rge0$ and $pge0$ (in this case there's no problem, however).






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                                  It is indeed useful. Write
                                  $$
                                  sqrt[3]1-p=1-sqrtp
                                  $$

                                  and cube:
                                  $$
                                  1-p=1-3sqrtp+3p-psqrtp
                                  $$

                                  Writing $r=sqrtp$ you get
                                  $$
                                  r^3-4r^2+3r=0
                                  $$

                                  and the rest should be easy. Just beware that the solutions are subject to $rge0$ and $pge0$ (in this case there's no problem, however).






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                                    It is indeed useful. Write
                                    $$
                                    sqrt[3]1-p=1-sqrtp
                                    $$

                                    and cube:
                                    $$
                                    1-p=1-3sqrtp+3p-psqrtp
                                    $$

                                    Writing $r=sqrtp$ you get
                                    $$
                                    r^3-4r^2+3r=0
                                    $$

                                    and the rest should be easy. Just beware that the solutions are subject to $rge0$ and $pge0$ (in this case there's no problem, however).






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                                    It is indeed useful. Write
                                    $$
                                    sqrt[3]1-p=1-sqrtp
                                    $$

                                    and cube:
                                    $$
                                    1-p=1-3sqrtp+3p-psqrtp
                                    $$

                                    Writing $r=sqrtp$ you get
                                    $$
                                    r^3-4r^2+3r=0
                                    $$

                                    and the rest should be easy. Just beware that the solutions are subject to $rge0$ and $pge0$ (in this case there's no problem, however).







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