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Suppose you buy 12 identical donuts and wish to give them to the 5 children you are babysitting. How many different ways
can you distribute the donuts if:
(a) there are no restrictions
My answer for this question is,
A) Combination with Repetition: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,5) = (16,5)
B) But some people are getting different answers: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,4) = (16,4)
using the logic:
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there need to be 4 dividers to divide into 5 groups.
Please tell me which one is the right answer.
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Suppose you buy 12 identical donuts and wish to give them to the 5 children you are babysitting. How many different ways
can you distribute the donuts if:
(a) there are no restrictions
My answer for this question is,
A) Combination with Repetition: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,5) = (16,5)
B) But some people are getting different answers: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,4) = (16,4)
using the logic:
00|00|0000|000|0
there need to be 4 dividers to divide into 5 groups.
Please tell me which one is the right answer.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics
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You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
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Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
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Suppose you buy 12 identical donuts and wish to give them to the 5 children you are babysitting. How many different ways
can you distribute the donuts if:
(a) there are no restrictions
My answer for this question is,
A) Combination with Repetition: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,5) = (16,5)
B) But some people are getting different answers: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,4) = (16,4)
using the logic:
00|00|0000|000|0
there need to be 4 dividers to divide into 5 groups.
Please tell me which one is the right answer.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics
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Suppose you buy 12 identical donuts and wish to give them to the 5 children you are babysitting. How many different ways
can you distribute the donuts if:
(a) there are no restrictions
My answer for this question is,
A) Combination with Repetition: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,5) = (16,5)
B) But some people are getting different answers: (n+r-1,r) = (12+5-1,4) = (16,4)
using the logic:
00|00|0000|000|0
there need to be 4 dividers to divide into 5 groups.
Please tell me which one is the right answer.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics
combinatorics discrete-mathematics
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You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
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Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
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You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
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– almagest
8 hours ago
1
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Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
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– almagest
7 hours ago
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You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
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– almagest
8 hours ago
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You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
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– almagest
8 hours ago
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1
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Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
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– almagest
7 hours ago
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Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
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The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$
To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.
From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:
How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?
Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:
- Group $1$: $2$ balls.
- Group $2$: $0$ balls.
- Group $3$: $3$ balls.
Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$
Now, for the general case:
We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.
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Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).
This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.
Edit:
Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.
- First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°). - Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°. - Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
°°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.
In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?
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but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
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– AlphaDJog
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Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
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Check my edit @SkandanVecham
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That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
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Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?
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(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
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The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$
To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.
From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:
How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?
Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:
- Group $1$: $2$ balls.
- Group $2$: $0$ balls.
- Group $3$: $3$ balls.
Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$
Now, for the general case:
We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.
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The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$
To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.
From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:
How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?
Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:
- Group $1$: $2$ balls.
- Group $2$: $0$ balls.
- Group $3$: $3$ balls.
Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$
Now, for the general case:
We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.
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The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$
To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.
From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:
How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?
Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:
- Group $1$: $2$ balls.
- Group $2$: $0$ balls.
- Group $3$: $3$ balls.
Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$
Now, for the general case:
We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.
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The correct formula is $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n.$$
To understand why this is, consider $n$ indistinguishable balls, and we need to put them into $k$ groups. Now, imagine for each group, we can separate them with dividers.
From here, we see we need $k-1$ dividers. Let's take a quick example:
How many ways are there to place $5$ indistinguishable balls into $3$ boxes?
Solution. We divide the groups by bars - for example, one possible way is $$**||***$$ As you can see, there are three groups:
- Group $1$: $2$ balls.
- Group $2$: $0$ balls.
- Group $3$: $3$ balls.
Another one would be like $$*|**|**$$ Experimenting with this a bit more, we see that we're just arranging $5$ balls and $2$ dividers, which can be done in $$binom 5+22 = 21 text ways. : square$$
Now, for the general case:
We have to place $n$ balls in $k$ groups, which needs $k-1$ dividers. Then, using the example above, we conclude that there are $$binomn+k-1k-1=binomn+k-1n$$ ways to do this.
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Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).
This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.
Edit:
Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.
- First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°). - Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°. - Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
°°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.
In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?
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but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
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– AlphaDJog
8 hours ago
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Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
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– AlphaDJog
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Check my edit @SkandanVecham
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– Moria
7 hours ago
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That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
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– AlphaDJog
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Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).
This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.
Edit:
Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.
- First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°). - Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°. - Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
°°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.
In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?
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but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
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– AlphaDJog
8 hours ago
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Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
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– AlphaDJog
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Check my edit @SkandanVecham
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– Moria
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That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
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Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).
This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.
Edit:
Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.
- First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°). - Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°. - Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
°°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.
In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?
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Let $x_1, x_2,...,x_5$ be the kids, so we could model this problem as $x_1+x_2+x_3+x_4+x_5=12$ (because the donuts are identical).
This can be solved with a combination with repetition: $5+12-1choose12$ = $16choose12$.
Edit:
Another way of thinking this is suppose we have to place 12 balls in 5 containers. The balls are identical and the containers are not. Say those (°°°°°°°°°°°°) are the 12 balls.
- First we take 2 balls and place it in a container. Now we have 12-2
balls left. We are going to represent this as (°°|°°°°°°°°°°). - Again we take 4 balls and we place them in the second container. Now
we have °°|°°°°|°°°°°°. - Again we take another 3 balls and we place them in the 3rd
container: °°|°°°°|°°°|°°°. Again we take another ball and place it in the 4th container:
°°|°°°°|°°°|°|°°.Now we have 2 balls left, which we put them in the 5th container.
In how many ways can we place the four balls in the 16 spaces we have?
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but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
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– AlphaDJog
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Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
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– AlphaDJog
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Check my edit @SkandanVecham
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That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
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but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
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– AlphaDJog
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Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
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– AlphaDJog
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Check my edit @SkandanVecham
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– Moria
7 hours ago
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That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
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– AlphaDJog
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but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
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– AlphaDJog
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but my q is why is r 12 or 4, should it not be 5 because there are 5 children?
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– AlphaDJog
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Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
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– AlphaDJog
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Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? so in this case would this be (31,11) or (31,12)
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– AlphaDJog
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Check my edit @SkandanVecham
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– Moria
7 hours ago
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Check my edit @SkandanVecham
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– Moria
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That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
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– AlphaDJog
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That helps, as to what evers left foes into the last container thank you.
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Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?
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(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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– AlphaDJog
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@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
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Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?
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(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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– AlphaDJog
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@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
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Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?
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Sounds like you are struggling with a formula. Maybe it will help to change the numbers so you can easily tell what the result will be. Assume there is $1$ kid rather than $5$. Is the correct number of ways to distribute $12$ donuts to $1$ child $binom121$ or $binom120$?
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(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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– AlphaDJog
7 hours ago
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@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
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– Mike
7 hours ago
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(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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– AlphaDJog
7 hours ago
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@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
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– Mike
7 hours ago
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(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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– AlphaDJog
7 hours ago
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(12,0), but for this q: Tim Hortons sells 20 different kinds of donuts and always has at least a dozen of each type available. How many different ways can someone buy a dozen donuts? Would the answer be (31, 20) or would it be (31,19).
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– AlphaDJog
7 hours ago
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@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
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– Mike
7 hours ago
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@SkandanVecham Seems that the same stars and bars logic as in B. still applies. I couldn't refute the logic of it for the original question or for this one.
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– Mike
7 hours ago
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You have slightly misstated (B). Correctly stated it is the right answer: $n+r-1choose r-1$. Take a row of 16 zeros and pick 4. Child A gets the number of 0s to the left of the first picked 0. Child B gets the number strictly between the first and second picked 0s and so on.
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Your problem on (A) is that you have muddled $n$ and $r$. It is often expressed as $k$ things between $n$ people or $x_1+dots+x_n=k$ and the answer is $n+k-1choose k$ but here $n$ is playing the role of $r$ and $k$ is playing the role of $n$. Note that $n+k-1choose k=n+k-1choose n-1$. So combination with repetition actually gives the same answer $16choose4=16choose12$.
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