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In what language did Túrin converse with Mím?


What is the name of the language that Orcs talk?What language did the first Edain awake speak if they did?Did Tolkien think about language evolution when the speakers are immortal?Why would Bilbo agree to arbitration in the Khuzdul language?What did Christopher Tolkien mean by “Tolkien's fifteenth invented language”?What language did Hobbits speak before Men?Which language is more fully developed, Klingon or Quenya/Sindarin?Is the Numenorean language Adunaic supposed to be English?What dialect or language was the inspiration for Gollum's speech?






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Túrin spoke the Mannish tongue of the House of Hador and also Sindarin (in a noticeably archaic Doriathrim way). On the other hand the petty-dwarves being largely isolationist and hating the Eldar, would be unlikely to know Sindarin, and it is also hard for me to imagine that they would speak Mannish tongues well.



Yet Túrin (and even his men) had no linguistic hardship when communicating with the petty-dwarves; in what language was this?



Is there really any other possibility, possibly Túrin, owing to the Khuzdul influences on his mother-tongue (that the Hadorians are said to have acquired before passing to Beleriand) and perhaps by conversing with Dwarven craftsmen visiting Menegroth, knew enough Khuzdul to somehow understand Mîm? Or did the petty-dwarves profess knowledge of Sindarin or some Edain pidgin?










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    Túrin spoke the Mannish tongue of the House of Hador and also Sindarin (in a noticeably archaic Doriathrim way). On the other hand the petty-dwarves being largely isolationist and hating the Eldar, would be unlikely to know Sindarin, and it is also hard for me to imagine that they would speak Mannish tongues well.



    Yet Túrin (and even his men) had no linguistic hardship when communicating with the petty-dwarves; in what language was this?



    Is there really any other possibility, possibly Túrin, owing to the Khuzdul influences on his mother-tongue (that the Hadorians are said to have acquired before passing to Beleriand) and perhaps by conversing with Dwarven craftsmen visiting Menegroth, knew enough Khuzdul to somehow understand Mîm? Or did the petty-dwarves profess knowledge of Sindarin or some Edain pidgin?










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      Túrin spoke the Mannish tongue of the House of Hador and also Sindarin (in a noticeably archaic Doriathrim way). On the other hand the petty-dwarves being largely isolationist and hating the Eldar, would be unlikely to know Sindarin, and it is also hard for me to imagine that they would speak Mannish tongues well.



      Yet Túrin (and even his men) had no linguistic hardship when communicating with the petty-dwarves; in what language was this?



      Is there really any other possibility, possibly Túrin, owing to the Khuzdul influences on his mother-tongue (that the Hadorians are said to have acquired before passing to Beleriand) and perhaps by conversing with Dwarven craftsmen visiting Menegroth, knew enough Khuzdul to somehow understand Mîm? Or did the petty-dwarves profess knowledge of Sindarin or some Edain pidgin?










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      Túrin spoke the Mannish tongue of the House of Hador and also Sindarin (in a noticeably archaic Doriathrim way). On the other hand the petty-dwarves being largely isolationist and hating the Eldar, would be unlikely to know Sindarin, and it is also hard for me to imagine that they would speak Mannish tongues well.



      Yet Túrin (and even his men) had no linguistic hardship when communicating with the petty-dwarves; in what language was this?



      Is there really any other possibility, possibly Túrin, owing to the Khuzdul influences on his mother-tongue (that the Hadorians are said to have acquired before passing to Beleriand) and perhaps by conversing with Dwarven craftsmen visiting Menegroth, knew enough Khuzdul to somehow understand Mîm? Or did the petty-dwarves profess knowledge of Sindarin or some Edain pidgin?







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          Most likely Sindarin



          It was certainly not Khuzdul, as Mîm says they do not teach that tongue, futher, Mim is described as initially speaking a foreign language:




          They have no name, save in the dwarf-tongue, which we do not teach



          They led the old Dwarf away to their dismal camp, and as he went he muttered in a strange tongue that seemed harsh with ancient hatred;
          The Unfinished Tales, Part 1: The First Age, II: Narn I Hîn Húrin




          Mîm also knew the name of where is house was located, naming it in Sindarin and complaining about the changes of the names since the Elves came.




          Then Mîm answered: ‘High above the lands lies the house of Mîm, upon the great hill; Amon Rûdh is that hill called now, since the Elves changed all the names.
          The Silmarillion, Chapter 21: Of Túrin Turambar




          Mîm is also shown to have been able to notce that Túrin spoke Sindarin and was raised by the Eldar:




          One thing (as Mîm observed) of which Turin never rid himself, despite his grievance against Doriath, was the speech he had acquired during his fostering. Though a Man, he spoke like an Elf of the Hidden Kingdom...
          The History of Middle-earth, The War of the Jewels, Part Three: The Wanderings of Húrin and Other Writings not forming part of the Quenta Silmarillion: I. The Wanderings of Húrin




          Beleg was also able to call after Mîm as he fled in Sindarin:




          The vengeance of the house of Hador will find you yet!
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            It would appear Mîm did indeed speak Sindarin, given this passage from Narn i Hîn Húrin from Unfinished Tales:




            Then Mîm clapsed Túrin about his knees, saying: "Mîm will be your friend, lord. At first I thought you were an Elf, by your speech and your voice; but if you are a Man, that is better. Mîm does not love Elves."




            This indicates Túrin was most likely speaking Sindarin at the time. Since there's no indication that he ever switched languages during the episode, I would conclude that the entire conversation takes place in Sindarin.






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              Most likely Sindarin



              It was certainly not Khuzdul, as Mîm says they do not teach that tongue, futher, Mim is described as initially speaking a foreign language:




              They have no name, save in the dwarf-tongue, which we do not teach



              They led the old Dwarf away to their dismal camp, and as he went he muttered in a strange tongue that seemed harsh with ancient hatred;
              The Unfinished Tales, Part 1: The First Age, II: Narn I Hîn Húrin




              Mîm also knew the name of where is house was located, naming it in Sindarin and complaining about the changes of the names since the Elves came.




              Then Mîm answered: ‘High above the lands lies the house of Mîm, upon the great hill; Amon Rûdh is that hill called now, since the Elves changed all the names.
              The Silmarillion, Chapter 21: Of Túrin Turambar




              Mîm is also shown to have been able to notce that Túrin spoke Sindarin and was raised by the Eldar:




              One thing (as Mîm observed) of which Turin never rid himself, despite his grievance against Doriath, was the speech he had acquired during his fostering. Though a Man, he spoke like an Elf of the Hidden Kingdom...
              The History of Middle-earth, The War of the Jewels, Part Three: The Wanderings of Húrin and Other Writings not forming part of the Quenta Silmarillion: I. The Wanderings of Húrin




              Beleg was also able to call after Mîm as he fled in Sindarin:




              The vengeance of the house of Hador will find you yet!
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                Most likely Sindarin



                It was certainly not Khuzdul, as Mîm says they do not teach that tongue, futher, Mim is described as initially speaking a foreign language:




                They have no name, save in the dwarf-tongue, which we do not teach



                They led the old Dwarf away to their dismal camp, and as he went he muttered in a strange tongue that seemed harsh with ancient hatred;
                The Unfinished Tales, Part 1: The First Age, II: Narn I Hîn Húrin




                Mîm also knew the name of where is house was located, naming it in Sindarin and complaining about the changes of the names since the Elves came.




                Then Mîm answered: ‘High above the lands lies the house of Mîm, upon the great hill; Amon Rûdh is that hill called now, since the Elves changed all the names.
                The Silmarillion, Chapter 21: Of Túrin Turambar




                Mîm is also shown to have been able to notce that Túrin spoke Sindarin and was raised by the Eldar:




                One thing (as Mîm observed) of which Turin never rid himself, despite his grievance against Doriath, was the speech he had acquired during his fostering. Though a Man, he spoke like an Elf of the Hidden Kingdom...
                The History of Middle-earth, The War of the Jewels, Part Three: The Wanderings of Húrin and Other Writings not forming part of the Quenta Silmarillion: I. The Wanderings of Húrin




                Beleg was also able to call after Mîm as he fled in Sindarin:




                The vengeance of the house of Hador will find you yet!
                ibid.







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                  Most likely Sindarin



                  It was certainly not Khuzdul, as Mîm says they do not teach that tongue, futher, Mim is described as initially speaking a foreign language:




                  They have no name, save in the dwarf-tongue, which we do not teach



                  They led the old Dwarf away to their dismal camp, and as he went he muttered in a strange tongue that seemed harsh with ancient hatred;
                  The Unfinished Tales, Part 1: The First Age, II: Narn I Hîn Húrin




                  Mîm also knew the name of where is house was located, naming it in Sindarin and complaining about the changes of the names since the Elves came.




                  Then Mîm answered: ‘High above the lands lies the house of Mîm, upon the great hill; Amon Rûdh is that hill called now, since the Elves changed all the names.
                  The Silmarillion, Chapter 21: Of Túrin Turambar




                  Mîm is also shown to have been able to notce that Túrin spoke Sindarin and was raised by the Eldar:




                  One thing (as Mîm observed) of which Turin never rid himself, despite his grievance against Doriath, was the speech he had acquired during his fostering. Though a Man, he spoke like an Elf of the Hidden Kingdom...
                  The History of Middle-earth, The War of the Jewels, Part Three: The Wanderings of Húrin and Other Writings not forming part of the Quenta Silmarillion: I. The Wanderings of Húrin




                  Beleg was also able to call after Mîm as he fled in Sindarin:




                  The vengeance of the house of Hador will find you yet!
                  ibid.







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                  Most likely Sindarin



                  It was certainly not Khuzdul, as Mîm says they do not teach that tongue, futher, Mim is described as initially speaking a foreign language:




                  They have no name, save in the dwarf-tongue, which we do not teach



                  They led the old Dwarf away to their dismal camp, and as he went he muttered in a strange tongue that seemed harsh with ancient hatred;
                  The Unfinished Tales, Part 1: The First Age, II: Narn I Hîn Húrin




                  Mîm also knew the name of where is house was located, naming it in Sindarin and complaining about the changes of the names since the Elves came.




                  Then Mîm answered: ‘High above the lands lies the house of Mîm, upon the great hill; Amon Rûdh is that hill called now, since the Elves changed all the names.
                  The Silmarillion, Chapter 21: Of Túrin Turambar




                  Mîm is also shown to have been able to notce that Túrin spoke Sindarin and was raised by the Eldar:




                  One thing (as Mîm observed) of which Turin never rid himself, despite his grievance against Doriath, was the speech he had acquired during his fostering. Though a Man, he spoke like an Elf of the Hidden Kingdom...
                  The History of Middle-earth, The War of the Jewels, Part Three: The Wanderings of Húrin and Other Writings not forming part of the Quenta Silmarillion: I. The Wanderings of Húrin




                  Beleg was also able to call after Mîm as he fled in Sindarin:




                  The vengeance of the house of Hador will find you yet!
                  ibid.








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                      It would appear Mîm did indeed speak Sindarin, given this passage from Narn i Hîn Húrin from Unfinished Tales:




                      Then Mîm clapsed Túrin about his knees, saying: "Mîm will be your friend, lord. At first I thought you were an Elf, by your speech and your voice; but if you are a Man, that is better. Mîm does not love Elves."




                      This indicates Túrin was most likely speaking Sindarin at the time. Since there's no indication that he ever switched languages during the episode, I would conclude that the entire conversation takes place in Sindarin.






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                        It would appear Mîm did indeed speak Sindarin, given this passage from Narn i Hîn Húrin from Unfinished Tales:




                        Then Mîm clapsed Túrin about his knees, saying: "Mîm will be your friend, lord. At first I thought you were an Elf, by your speech and your voice; but if you are a Man, that is better. Mîm does not love Elves."




                        This indicates Túrin was most likely speaking Sindarin at the time. Since there's no indication that he ever switched languages during the episode, I would conclude that the entire conversation takes place in Sindarin.






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                          It would appear Mîm did indeed speak Sindarin, given this passage from Narn i Hîn Húrin from Unfinished Tales:




                          Then Mîm clapsed Túrin about his knees, saying: "Mîm will be your friend, lord. At first I thought you were an Elf, by your speech and your voice; but if you are a Man, that is better. Mîm does not love Elves."




                          This indicates Túrin was most likely speaking Sindarin at the time. Since there's no indication that he ever switched languages during the episode, I would conclude that the entire conversation takes place in Sindarin.






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                          It would appear Mîm did indeed speak Sindarin, given this passage from Narn i Hîn Húrin from Unfinished Tales:




                          Then Mîm clapsed Túrin about his knees, saying: "Mîm will be your friend, lord. At first I thought you were an Elf, by your speech and your voice; but if you are a Man, that is better. Mîm does not love Elves."




                          This indicates Túrin was most likely speaking Sindarin at the time. Since there's no indication that he ever switched languages during the episode, I would conclude that the entire conversation takes place in Sindarin.







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