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'Horseshoes' for Deer?
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Would a "working deer" living in cities with hard paved or cobbled stone ground need "deershoes"? The deer are mainly used for light work: no heavy lifting or pulling.
Would unchanged deer feet and hoof anatomy allow for the same type of shoeing as horse hooves (nailing) or would they just need something else?
While most of the concern is on the hoof’s quality and protection with it striking hard rock nearly all day every day. Concern is also for the general balance and support of the body, as they’ve got a lot less area for balance on slippery flat streets when compared to horses with their dinner plate hooves and great weight.
So basically:
Could deer anatomy allow nailed in ‘deershoes’ and if so, what would they look like to allow support, stability, and protection of the hoof?
If not nailed in shoes, then what would the boots or actual ‘deer shoes’ need to look like to accomplish the same?
(And to note this question is not about how good deer would actually be for anything in the city or any other concern of why or how they’re there in the first place. This question is literally just about the hooves. The rest is for another question another time.)
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Would a "working deer" living in cities with hard paved or cobbled stone ground need "deershoes"? The deer are mainly used for light work: no heavy lifting or pulling.
Would unchanged deer feet and hoof anatomy allow for the same type of shoeing as horse hooves (nailing) or would they just need something else?
While most of the concern is on the hoof’s quality and protection with it striking hard rock nearly all day every day. Concern is also for the general balance and support of the body, as they’ve got a lot less area for balance on slippery flat streets when compared to horses with their dinner plate hooves and great weight.
So basically:
Could deer anatomy allow nailed in ‘deershoes’ and if so, what would they look like to allow support, stability, and protection of the hoof?
If not nailed in shoes, then what would the boots or actual ‘deer shoes’ need to look like to accomplish the same?
(And to note this question is not about how good deer would actually be for anything in the city or any other concern of why or how they’re there in the first place. This question is literally just about the hooves. The rest is for another question another time.)
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I'm just gonna say that whatever those deer are doing in the city, I'm personally going to use a goat instead. =P
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– Morris The Cat
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Would a "working deer" living in cities with hard paved or cobbled stone ground need "deershoes"? The deer are mainly used for light work: no heavy lifting or pulling.
Would unchanged deer feet and hoof anatomy allow for the same type of shoeing as horse hooves (nailing) or would they just need something else?
While most of the concern is on the hoof’s quality and protection with it striking hard rock nearly all day every day. Concern is also for the general balance and support of the body, as they’ve got a lot less area for balance on slippery flat streets when compared to horses with their dinner plate hooves and great weight.
So basically:
Could deer anatomy allow nailed in ‘deershoes’ and if so, what would they look like to allow support, stability, and protection of the hoof?
If not nailed in shoes, then what would the boots or actual ‘deer shoes’ need to look like to accomplish the same?
(And to note this question is not about how good deer would actually be for anything in the city or any other concern of why or how they’re there in the first place. This question is literally just about the hooves. The rest is for another question another time.)
science-based biology fauna
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Would a "working deer" living in cities with hard paved or cobbled stone ground need "deershoes"? The deer are mainly used for light work: no heavy lifting or pulling.
Would unchanged deer feet and hoof anatomy allow for the same type of shoeing as horse hooves (nailing) or would they just need something else?
While most of the concern is on the hoof’s quality and protection with it striking hard rock nearly all day every day. Concern is also for the general balance and support of the body, as they’ve got a lot less area for balance on slippery flat streets when compared to horses with their dinner plate hooves and great weight.
So basically:
Could deer anatomy allow nailed in ‘deershoes’ and if so, what would they look like to allow support, stability, and protection of the hoof?
If not nailed in shoes, then what would the boots or actual ‘deer shoes’ need to look like to accomplish the same?
(And to note this question is not about how good deer would actually be for anything in the city or any other concern of why or how they’re there in the first place. This question is literally just about the hooves. The rest is for another question another time.)
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I'm just gonna say that whatever those deer are doing in the city, I'm personally going to use a goat instead. =P
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– Morris The Cat
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I'm just gonna say that whatever those deer are doing in the city, I'm personally going to use a goat instead. =P
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– Morris The Cat
9 hours ago
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I'm just gonna say that whatever those deer are doing in the city, I'm personally going to use a goat instead. =P
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– Morris The Cat
9 hours ago
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I'm just gonna say that whatever those deer are doing in the city, I'm personally going to use a goat instead. =P
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Shoes for cloven hoofed animals already exist.
behold the ox shoe or sometimes called cow shoes. Traditionally made for plow oxen. They come in a fair variety of shapes but the most common is shown below. Note modern farriers often attach them (and horseshoes) with epoxy instead of nails, less risk of damaging the hoof, also a lot easier.
But there is a problem
If they are commonly walking on concrete or asphalt modern farriers prefer softer hard plastic shoes with textured surfaces, because an iron shoe on a hard wet surface has very little traction. plastic shoes reduce shock and improve traction.
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oh, nice, I honestly didn't know that! Some very nice example pics too. Unfortunately the site you link for the 'variety' isn't accessible in my country :/
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– Axolotl
8 hours ago
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@Axolotl there is a type of oxshoe that has a tab of iron that was wrapped completely around each hoof, think something like an iron sandal, two for each foot. countryhomeantiques.co.uk/upload/images/shopprod/11114/…
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Considering how giggly are deer when walking on wet paved roads (based on the footage I can see on the internet), shoes are surely needed to improve grip.
Elk are hoofed mammals.
A hoof (/ˈhuːf/ or /ˈhʊf/), plural hooves (/ˈhuːvz/ or /ˈhʊvz/) or hoofs /ˈhʊfs/, is the tip of a toe of an ungulate mammal, strengthened by a thick, and horny keratin covering.
Artiodactyls are even-toed ungulates, meaning that these species have an even number of digits on each foot. Ruminants, with two main digits, are the largest group. Examples include deer, bison, cattle, goats and sheep. Perissodactyls have an odd number of toes. Examples of perissodactyl mammals are horses, rhinoceroses and tapirs.
You can use horseshoes for deer the same way they are used for horses, you only need to adjust for the two main digits instead of the single one found in horses.
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Oxen have been shod for centuries -- mainly the ones who pull carts on paved roads (cobblestones), though plow oxen are also shod. Ordinary horseshoes won't work on cloven hooves, but ox shoes are designed for cloven hoofs. The issue that might arise is that deer (whitetails, wapiti, moose, etc.) have narrower hooves and are much lighter animals (even moos) than oxen. The shoe would require some modification, but any relative of common deer ought to be possible to shoe if the animal is well domesticated (i.e. calm enough for the farrier to handle as needed).
Worth noting that reindeer (domesticated caribou) aren't shod; despite having hooves, they, like camels, actually walk on a pad behind the visible hoof, and as a result, don't need shoes and cannot benefit from them.
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That’s very interesting about reindeer/caribou and camels—I didn’t know that!
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Shoes for cloven hoofed animals already exist.
behold the ox shoe or sometimes called cow shoes. Traditionally made for plow oxen. They come in a fair variety of shapes but the most common is shown below. Note modern farriers often attach them (and horseshoes) with epoxy instead of nails, less risk of damaging the hoof, also a lot easier.
But there is a problem
If they are commonly walking on concrete or asphalt modern farriers prefer softer hard plastic shoes with textured surfaces, because an iron shoe on a hard wet surface has very little traction. plastic shoes reduce shock and improve traction.
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oh, nice, I honestly didn't know that! Some very nice example pics too. Unfortunately the site you link for the 'variety' isn't accessible in my country :/
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– Axolotl
8 hours ago
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@Axolotl there is a type of oxshoe that has a tab of iron that was wrapped completely around each hoof, think something like an iron sandal, two for each foot. countryhomeantiques.co.uk/upload/images/shopprod/11114/…
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– John
8 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Shoes for cloven hoofed animals already exist.
behold the ox shoe or sometimes called cow shoes. Traditionally made for plow oxen. They come in a fair variety of shapes but the most common is shown below. Note modern farriers often attach them (and horseshoes) with epoxy instead of nails, less risk of damaging the hoof, also a lot easier.
But there is a problem
If they are commonly walking on concrete or asphalt modern farriers prefer softer hard plastic shoes with textured surfaces, because an iron shoe on a hard wet surface has very little traction. plastic shoes reduce shock and improve traction.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
oh, nice, I honestly didn't know that! Some very nice example pics too. Unfortunately the site you link for the 'variety' isn't accessible in my country :/
$endgroup$
– Axolotl
8 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@Axolotl there is a type of oxshoe that has a tab of iron that was wrapped completely around each hoof, think something like an iron sandal, two for each foot. countryhomeantiques.co.uk/upload/images/shopprod/11114/…
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– John
8 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Shoes for cloven hoofed animals already exist.
behold the ox shoe or sometimes called cow shoes. Traditionally made for plow oxen. They come in a fair variety of shapes but the most common is shown below. Note modern farriers often attach them (and horseshoes) with epoxy instead of nails, less risk of damaging the hoof, also a lot easier.
But there is a problem
If they are commonly walking on concrete or asphalt modern farriers prefer softer hard plastic shoes with textured surfaces, because an iron shoe on a hard wet surface has very little traction. plastic shoes reduce shock and improve traction.
$endgroup$
Shoes for cloven hoofed animals already exist.
behold the ox shoe or sometimes called cow shoes. Traditionally made for plow oxen. They come in a fair variety of shapes but the most common is shown below. Note modern farriers often attach them (and horseshoes) with epoxy instead of nails, less risk of damaging the hoof, also a lot easier.
But there is a problem
If they are commonly walking on concrete or asphalt modern farriers prefer softer hard plastic shoes with textured surfaces, because an iron shoe on a hard wet surface has very little traction. plastic shoes reduce shock and improve traction.
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oh, nice, I honestly didn't know that! Some very nice example pics too. Unfortunately the site you link for the 'variety' isn't accessible in my country :/
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– Axolotl
8 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@Axolotl there is a type of oxshoe that has a tab of iron that was wrapped completely around each hoof, think something like an iron sandal, two for each foot. countryhomeantiques.co.uk/upload/images/shopprod/11114/…
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– John
8 hours ago
add a comment |
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oh, nice, I honestly didn't know that! Some very nice example pics too. Unfortunately the site you link for the 'variety' isn't accessible in my country :/
$endgroup$
– Axolotl
8 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@Axolotl there is a type of oxshoe that has a tab of iron that was wrapped completely around each hoof, think something like an iron sandal, two for each foot. countryhomeantiques.co.uk/upload/images/shopprod/11114/…
$endgroup$
– John
8 hours ago
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oh, nice, I honestly didn't know that! Some very nice example pics too. Unfortunately the site you link for the 'variety' isn't accessible in my country :/
$endgroup$
– Axolotl
8 hours ago
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oh, nice, I honestly didn't know that! Some very nice example pics too. Unfortunately the site you link for the 'variety' isn't accessible in my country :/
$endgroup$
– Axolotl
8 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
@Axolotl there is a type of oxshoe that has a tab of iron that was wrapped completely around each hoof, think something like an iron sandal, two for each foot. countryhomeantiques.co.uk/upload/images/shopprod/11114/…
$endgroup$
– John
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Axolotl there is a type of oxshoe that has a tab of iron that was wrapped completely around each hoof, think something like an iron sandal, two for each foot. countryhomeantiques.co.uk/upload/images/shopprod/11114/…
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– John
8 hours ago
add a comment |
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Considering how giggly are deer when walking on wet paved roads (based on the footage I can see on the internet), shoes are surely needed to improve grip.
Elk are hoofed mammals.
A hoof (/ˈhuːf/ or /ˈhʊf/), plural hooves (/ˈhuːvz/ or /ˈhʊvz/) or hoofs /ˈhʊfs/, is the tip of a toe of an ungulate mammal, strengthened by a thick, and horny keratin covering.
Artiodactyls are even-toed ungulates, meaning that these species have an even number of digits on each foot. Ruminants, with two main digits, are the largest group. Examples include deer, bison, cattle, goats and sheep. Perissodactyls have an odd number of toes. Examples of perissodactyl mammals are horses, rhinoceroses and tapirs.
You can use horseshoes for deer the same way they are used for horses, you only need to adjust for the two main digits instead of the single one found in horses.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Considering how giggly are deer when walking on wet paved roads (based on the footage I can see on the internet), shoes are surely needed to improve grip.
Elk are hoofed mammals.
A hoof (/ˈhuːf/ or /ˈhʊf/), plural hooves (/ˈhuːvz/ or /ˈhʊvz/) or hoofs /ˈhʊfs/, is the tip of a toe of an ungulate mammal, strengthened by a thick, and horny keratin covering.
Artiodactyls are even-toed ungulates, meaning that these species have an even number of digits on each foot. Ruminants, with two main digits, are the largest group. Examples include deer, bison, cattle, goats and sheep. Perissodactyls have an odd number of toes. Examples of perissodactyl mammals are horses, rhinoceroses and tapirs.
You can use horseshoes for deer the same way they are used for horses, you only need to adjust for the two main digits instead of the single one found in horses.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Considering how giggly are deer when walking on wet paved roads (based on the footage I can see on the internet), shoes are surely needed to improve grip.
Elk are hoofed mammals.
A hoof (/ˈhuːf/ or /ˈhʊf/), plural hooves (/ˈhuːvz/ or /ˈhʊvz/) or hoofs /ˈhʊfs/, is the tip of a toe of an ungulate mammal, strengthened by a thick, and horny keratin covering.
Artiodactyls are even-toed ungulates, meaning that these species have an even number of digits on each foot. Ruminants, with two main digits, are the largest group. Examples include deer, bison, cattle, goats and sheep. Perissodactyls have an odd number of toes. Examples of perissodactyl mammals are horses, rhinoceroses and tapirs.
You can use horseshoes for deer the same way they are used for horses, you only need to adjust for the two main digits instead of the single one found in horses.
$endgroup$
Considering how giggly are deer when walking on wet paved roads (based on the footage I can see on the internet), shoes are surely needed to improve grip.
Elk are hoofed mammals.
A hoof (/ˈhuːf/ or /ˈhʊf/), plural hooves (/ˈhuːvz/ or /ˈhʊvz/) or hoofs /ˈhʊfs/, is the tip of a toe of an ungulate mammal, strengthened by a thick, and horny keratin covering.
Artiodactyls are even-toed ungulates, meaning that these species have an even number of digits on each foot. Ruminants, with two main digits, are the largest group. Examples include deer, bison, cattle, goats and sheep. Perissodactyls have an odd number of toes. Examples of perissodactyl mammals are horses, rhinoceroses and tapirs.
You can use horseshoes for deer the same way they are used for horses, you only need to adjust for the two main digits instead of the single one found in horses.
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Oxen have been shod for centuries -- mainly the ones who pull carts on paved roads (cobblestones), though plow oxen are also shod. Ordinary horseshoes won't work on cloven hooves, but ox shoes are designed for cloven hoofs. The issue that might arise is that deer (whitetails, wapiti, moose, etc.) have narrower hooves and are much lighter animals (even moos) than oxen. The shoe would require some modification, but any relative of common deer ought to be possible to shoe if the animal is well domesticated (i.e. calm enough for the farrier to handle as needed).
Worth noting that reindeer (domesticated caribou) aren't shod; despite having hooves, they, like camels, actually walk on a pad behind the visible hoof, and as a result, don't need shoes and cannot benefit from them.
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That’s very interesting about reindeer/caribou and camels—I didn’t know that!
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– KRyan
2 mins ago
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$begingroup$
Oxen have been shod for centuries -- mainly the ones who pull carts on paved roads (cobblestones), though plow oxen are also shod. Ordinary horseshoes won't work on cloven hooves, but ox shoes are designed for cloven hoofs. The issue that might arise is that deer (whitetails, wapiti, moose, etc.) have narrower hooves and are much lighter animals (even moos) than oxen. The shoe would require some modification, but any relative of common deer ought to be possible to shoe if the animal is well domesticated (i.e. calm enough for the farrier to handle as needed).
Worth noting that reindeer (domesticated caribou) aren't shod; despite having hooves, they, like camels, actually walk on a pad behind the visible hoof, and as a result, don't need shoes and cannot benefit from them.
$endgroup$
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That’s very interesting about reindeer/caribou and camels—I didn’t know that!
$endgroup$
– KRyan
2 mins ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Oxen have been shod for centuries -- mainly the ones who pull carts on paved roads (cobblestones), though plow oxen are also shod. Ordinary horseshoes won't work on cloven hooves, but ox shoes are designed for cloven hoofs. The issue that might arise is that deer (whitetails, wapiti, moose, etc.) have narrower hooves and are much lighter animals (even moos) than oxen. The shoe would require some modification, but any relative of common deer ought to be possible to shoe if the animal is well domesticated (i.e. calm enough for the farrier to handle as needed).
Worth noting that reindeer (domesticated caribou) aren't shod; despite having hooves, they, like camels, actually walk on a pad behind the visible hoof, and as a result, don't need shoes and cannot benefit from them.
$endgroup$
Oxen have been shod for centuries -- mainly the ones who pull carts on paved roads (cobblestones), though plow oxen are also shod. Ordinary horseshoes won't work on cloven hooves, but ox shoes are designed for cloven hoofs. The issue that might arise is that deer (whitetails, wapiti, moose, etc.) have narrower hooves and are much lighter animals (even moos) than oxen. The shoe would require some modification, but any relative of common deer ought to be possible to shoe if the animal is well domesticated (i.e. calm enough for the farrier to handle as needed).
Worth noting that reindeer (domesticated caribou) aren't shod; despite having hooves, they, like camels, actually walk on a pad behind the visible hoof, and as a result, don't need shoes and cannot benefit from them.
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That’s very interesting about reindeer/caribou and camels—I didn’t know that!
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That’s very interesting about reindeer/caribou and camels—I didn’t know that!
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– KRyan
2 mins ago
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That’s very interesting about reindeer/caribou and camels—I didn’t know that!
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– KRyan
2 mins ago
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That’s very interesting about reindeer/caribou and camels—I didn’t know that!
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I'm just gonna say that whatever those deer are doing in the city, I'm personally going to use a goat instead. =P
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– Morris The Cat
9 hours ago