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In General Relativity the covariant derivative of contravariant vectors $A^mu$ is:
beginequation
nabla_mu A^nu=partial_mu A^nu+Gamma^nu_mualphaA^alpha
endequation

where $Gamma^nu_mualpha$ are Christoffel symbols.



My question: how do we prove it verifies the Leibniz product rule?










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    I adjusted your notation from $D_mu$ to $nabla_mu$ in order to fit with the standard one. The D we keep for gauge covariant derivatives, as for example in the Standard Model
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    You need to clarify what you mean by “the Leibnitz product rule”. Product of what with what?
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    To define the product rule you need to know how the covariant derivative works on higher order tensors and on 'covariant vectors' rather than contravariant (i.e. lower indices not upper). It is basically defined to satisfy the Leibniz product rule, as you can check yourself once you look up what I just said.
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In General Relativity the covariant derivative of contravariant vectors $A^mu$ is:
beginequation
nabla_mu A^nu=partial_mu A^nu+Gamma^nu_mualphaA^alpha
endequation

where $Gamma^nu_mualpha$ are Christoffel symbols.



My question: how do we prove it verifies the Leibniz product rule?










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    I adjusted your notation from $D_mu$ to $nabla_mu$ in order to fit with the standard one. The D we keep for gauge covariant derivatives, as for example in the Standard Model
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    – DanielC
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    You need to clarify what you mean by “the Leibnitz product rule”. Product of what with what?
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    To define the product rule you need to know how the covariant derivative works on higher order tensors and on 'covariant vectors' rather than contravariant (i.e. lower indices not upper). It is basically defined to satisfy the Leibniz product rule, as you can check yourself once you look up what I just said.
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In General Relativity the covariant derivative of contravariant vectors $A^mu$ is:
beginequation
nabla_mu A^nu=partial_mu A^nu+Gamma^nu_mualphaA^alpha
endequation

where $Gamma^nu_mualpha$ are Christoffel symbols.



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In General Relativity the covariant derivative of contravariant vectors $A^mu$ is:
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nabla_mu A^nu=partial_mu A^nu+Gamma^nu_mualphaA^alpha
endequation

where $Gamma^nu_mualpha$ are Christoffel symbols.



My question: how do we prove it verifies the Leibniz product rule?







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  • $begingroup$
    I adjusted your notation from $D_mu$ to $nabla_mu$ in order to fit with the standard one. The D we keep for gauge covariant derivatives, as for example in the Standard Model
    $endgroup$
    – DanielC
    8 hours ago











  • $begingroup$
    You need to clarify what you mean by “the Leibnitz product rule”. Product of what with what?
    $endgroup$
    – G. Smith
    8 hours ago







  • 4




    $begingroup$
    Would Mathematics be a better home for this question?
    $endgroup$
    – Qmechanic
    8 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    To define the product rule you need to know how the covariant derivative works on higher order tensors and on 'covariant vectors' rather than contravariant (i.e. lower indices not upper). It is basically defined to satisfy the Leibniz product rule, as you can check yourself once you look up what I just said.
    $endgroup$
    – octonion
    8 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    You can’t start with only a formula for differentiating a contravariant vector.
    $endgroup$
    – G. Smith
    7 hours ago
















  • $begingroup$
    I adjusted your notation from $D_mu$ to $nabla_mu$ in order to fit with the standard one. The D we keep for gauge covariant derivatives, as for example in the Standard Model
    $endgroup$
    – DanielC
    8 hours ago











  • $begingroup$
    You need to clarify what you mean by “the Leibnitz product rule”. Product of what with what?
    $endgroup$
    – G. Smith
    8 hours ago







  • 4




    $begingroup$
    Would Mathematics be a better home for this question?
    $endgroup$
    – Qmechanic
    8 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    To define the product rule you need to know how the covariant derivative works on higher order tensors and on 'covariant vectors' rather than contravariant (i.e. lower indices not upper). It is basically defined to satisfy the Leibniz product rule, as you can check yourself once you look up what I just said.
    $endgroup$
    – octonion
    8 hours ago






  • 1




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    You can’t start with only a formula for differentiating a contravariant vector.
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    – G. Smith
    7 hours ago















$begingroup$
I adjusted your notation from $D_mu$ to $nabla_mu$ in order to fit with the standard one. The D we keep for gauge covariant derivatives, as for example in the Standard Model
$endgroup$
– DanielC
8 hours ago





$begingroup$
I adjusted your notation from $D_mu$ to $nabla_mu$ in order to fit with the standard one. The D we keep for gauge covariant derivatives, as for example in the Standard Model
$endgroup$
– DanielC
8 hours ago













$begingroup$
You need to clarify what you mean by “the Leibnitz product rule”. Product of what with what?
$endgroup$
– G. Smith
8 hours ago





$begingroup$
You need to clarify what you mean by “the Leibnitz product rule”. Product of what with what?
$endgroup$
– G. Smith
8 hours ago





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Would Mathematics be a better home for this question?
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To define the product rule you need to know how the covariant derivative works on higher order tensors and on 'covariant vectors' rather than contravariant (i.e. lower indices not upper). It is basically defined to satisfy the Leibniz product rule, as you can check yourself once you look up what I just said.
$endgroup$
– octonion
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$begingroup$
To define the product rule you need to know how the covariant derivative works on higher order tensors and on 'covariant vectors' rather than contravariant (i.e. lower indices not upper). It is basically defined to satisfy the Leibniz product rule, as you can check yourself once you look up what I just said.
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On doubly contravariant vectors, for example, we have
$$
nabla_mu T^alphabeta= partial_mu T^alphabeta+ Gamma^alpha_lambda muT^lambdabeta+ Gamma^beta_lambdamu T^alphalambda
$$

and if you take $T^alphabeta=A^alpha B^beta$, you will see how Leibnitz works.






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    You need to define what the Leibniz product rule means for tensors of rank higher than 0.



    One has:



    $$nabla_V (bf Totimesbf U) := nabla_V bf T otimes bf U +bf Totimesnabla_V bf U $$



    for $V$ a vector field, $nabla$ a connection, $bf T,U$ tensor fields.



    Choose $V$ the coordinate base vector field, $bf U, T$ arbitrary vector fields in the coordinate base, then use the expansions of the covariant derivative of coordinate bases in terms of coordinate bases (which return the Levi Civita symbols), then simply the Leibniz rule for real functions you learn in Calculus III (the real functions here of several variables are the components of the vector fields in the coordinate basis which are partially differentiated) and you should arrive at the result. This computation is standard in introductory differential geometry texts and, indeed, is independent of knowledge of GR.






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      The book I'm currently reading "The Geometry Of Physics: An Introduction" by Theodore Frankel starts first with the notion of an intrinsic derivative of vector fields. Which is defined as the tangential part of the ordinary derivative $fracdmathbf vdt$ of some vector field $mathbf v$ tangent to some manifold $M $ in some $mathbb R^d$.



      So for example $nabla_mathbf T mathbf v =frac nabla mathbf vdt = fracdmathbf vdt $ minus "the part normal to the manifold". So from this it should be obvious that $fracd(fmathbf v)dt $ satisifes the Leibniz rule



      $frac dfdtmathbf v +ffracdmathbf vdt $ minus "the part normal to the manifold" $ = nabla_mathbf T (fmathbf v) = mathbf T(f)mathbf v + f nabla_mathbf T mathbf v $






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        On doubly contravariant vectors, for example, we have
        $$
        nabla_mu T^alphabeta= partial_mu T^alphabeta+ Gamma^alpha_lambda muT^lambdabeta+ Gamma^beta_lambdamu T^alphalambda
        $$

        and if you take $T^alphabeta=A^alpha B^beta$, you will see how Leibnitz works.






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          On doubly contravariant vectors, for example, we have
          $$
          nabla_mu T^alphabeta= partial_mu T^alphabeta+ Gamma^alpha_lambda muT^lambdabeta+ Gamma^beta_lambdamu T^alphalambda
          $$

          and if you take $T^alphabeta=A^alpha B^beta$, you will see how Leibnitz works.






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            On doubly contravariant vectors, for example, we have
            $$
            nabla_mu T^alphabeta= partial_mu T^alphabeta+ Gamma^alpha_lambda muT^lambdabeta+ Gamma^beta_lambdamu T^alphalambda
            $$

            and if you take $T^alphabeta=A^alpha B^beta$, you will see how Leibnitz works.






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            On doubly contravariant vectors, for example, we have
            $$
            nabla_mu T^alphabeta= partial_mu T^alphabeta+ Gamma^alpha_lambda muT^lambdabeta+ Gamma^beta_lambdamu T^alphalambda
            $$

            and if you take $T^alphabeta=A^alpha B^beta$, you will see how Leibnitz works.







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                You need to define what the Leibniz product rule means for tensors of rank higher than 0.



                One has:



                $$nabla_V (bf Totimesbf U) := nabla_V bf T otimes bf U +bf Totimesnabla_V bf U $$



                for $V$ a vector field, $nabla$ a connection, $bf T,U$ tensor fields.



                Choose $V$ the coordinate base vector field, $bf U, T$ arbitrary vector fields in the coordinate base, then use the expansions of the covariant derivative of coordinate bases in terms of coordinate bases (which return the Levi Civita symbols), then simply the Leibniz rule for real functions you learn in Calculus III (the real functions here of several variables are the components of the vector fields in the coordinate basis which are partially differentiated) and you should arrive at the result. This computation is standard in introductory differential geometry texts and, indeed, is independent of knowledge of GR.






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                  You need to define what the Leibniz product rule means for tensors of rank higher than 0.



                  One has:



                  $$nabla_V (bf Totimesbf U) := nabla_V bf T otimes bf U +bf Totimesnabla_V bf U $$



                  for $V$ a vector field, $nabla$ a connection, $bf T,U$ tensor fields.



                  Choose $V$ the coordinate base vector field, $bf U, T$ arbitrary vector fields in the coordinate base, then use the expansions of the covariant derivative of coordinate bases in terms of coordinate bases (which return the Levi Civita symbols), then simply the Leibniz rule for real functions you learn in Calculus III (the real functions here of several variables are the components of the vector fields in the coordinate basis which are partially differentiated) and you should arrive at the result. This computation is standard in introductory differential geometry texts and, indeed, is independent of knowledge of GR.






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                    You need to define what the Leibniz product rule means for tensors of rank higher than 0.



                    One has:



                    $$nabla_V (bf Totimesbf U) := nabla_V bf T otimes bf U +bf Totimesnabla_V bf U $$



                    for $V$ a vector field, $nabla$ a connection, $bf T,U$ tensor fields.



                    Choose $V$ the coordinate base vector field, $bf U, T$ arbitrary vector fields in the coordinate base, then use the expansions of the covariant derivative of coordinate bases in terms of coordinate bases (which return the Levi Civita symbols), then simply the Leibniz rule for real functions you learn in Calculus III (the real functions here of several variables are the components of the vector fields in the coordinate basis which are partially differentiated) and you should arrive at the result. This computation is standard in introductory differential geometry texts and, indeed, is independent of knowledge of GR.






                    share|cite|improve this answer











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                    You need to define what the Leibniz product rule means for tensors of rank higher than 0.



                    One has:



                    $$nabla_V (bf Totimesbf U) := nabla_V bf T otimes bf U +bf Totimesnabla_V bf U $$



                    for $V$ a vector field, $nabla$ a connection, $bf T,U$ tensor fields.



                    Choose $V$ the coordinate base vector field, $bf U, T$ arbitrary vector fields in the coordinate base, then use the expansions of the covariant derivative of coordinate bases in terms of coordinate bases (which return the Levi Civita symbols), then simply the Leibniz rule for real functions you learn in Calculus III (the real functions here of several variables are the components of the vector fields in the coordinate basis which are partially differentiated) and you should arrive at the result. This computation is standard in introductory differential geometry texts and, indeed, is independent of knowledge of GR.







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                        The book I'm currently reading "The Geometry Of Physics: An Introduction" by Theodore Frankel starts first with the notion of an intrinsic derivative of vector fields. Which is defined as the tangential part of the ordinary derivative $fracdmathbf vdt$ of some vector field $mathbf v$ tangent to some manifold $M $ in some $mathbb R^d$.



                        So for example $nabla_mathbf T mathbf v =frac nabla mathbf vdt = fracdmathbf vdt $ minus "the part normal to the manifold". So from this it should be obvious that $fracd(fmathbf v)dt $ satisifes the Leibniz rule



                        $frac dfdtmathbf v +ffracdmathbf vdt $ minus "the part normal to the manifold" $ = nabla_mathbf T (fmathbf v) = mathbf T(f)mathbf v + f nabla_mathbf T mathbf v $






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                          The book I'm currently reading "The Geometry Of Physics: An Introduction" by Theodore Frankel starts first with the notion of an intrinsic derivative of vector fields. Which is defined as the tangential part of the ordinary derivative $fracdmathbf vdt$ of some vector field $mathbf v$ tangent to some manifold $M $ in some $mathbb R^d$.



                          So for example $nabla_mathbf T mathbf v =frac nabla mathbf vdt = fracdmathbf vdt $ minus "the part normal to the manifold". So from this it should be obvious that $fracd(fmathbf v)dt $ satisifes the Leibniz rule



                          $frac dfdtmathbf v +ffracdmathbf vdt $ minus "the part normal to the manifold" $ = nabla_mathbf T (fmathbf v) = mathbf T(f)mathbf v + f nabla_mathbf T mathbf v $






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                            The book I'm currently reading "The Geometry Of Physics: An Introduction" by Theodore Frankel starts first with the notion of an intrinsic derivative of vector fields. Which is defined as the tangential part of the ordinary derivative $fracdmathbf vdt$ of some vector field $mathbf v$ tangent to some manifold $M $ in some $mathbb R^d$.



                            So for example $nabla_mathbf T mathbf v =frac nabla mathbf vdt = fracdmathbf vdt $ minus "the part normal to the manifold". So from this it should be obvious that $fracd(fmathbf v)dt $ satisifes the Leibniz rule



                            $frac dfdtmathbf v +ffracdmathbf vdt $ minus "the part normal to the manifold" $ = nabla_mathbf T (fmathbf v) = mathbf T(f)mathbf v + f nabla_mathbf T mathbf v $






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                            The book I'm currently reading "The Geometry Of Physics: An Introduction" by Theodore Frankel starts first with the notion of an intrinsic derivative of vector fields. Which is defined as the tangential part of the ordinary derivative $fracdmathbf vdt$ of some vector field $mathbf v$ tangent to some manifold $M $ in some $mathbb R^d$.



                            So for example $nabla_mathbf T mathbf v =frac nabla mathbf vdt = fracdmathbf vdt $ minus "the part normal to the manifold". So from this it should be obvious that $fracd(fmathbf v)dt $ satisifes the Leibniz rule



                            $frac dfdtmathbf v +ffracdmathbf vdt $ minus "the part normal to the manifold" $ = nabla_mathbf T (fmathbf v) = mathbf T(f)mathbf v + f nabla_mathbf T mathbf v $







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