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Are there any English words pronounced with sounds/syllables that aren't part of the spelling?
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There are many English words with silent letters, words like gnome or island that are spelt with consonants that aren't pronounced, but are there any words that work the other way round, with a pronunciation that includes extra sounds or syllables that are not in the spelling?
I can't think of any real examples, hence this question, but a made-up example would be if gnome were spelt nome but pronounced with a g at the start. Or if people started pronouncing offer as "ofter" as a sort of weird parallel to after.
Note: I don't mean words like rough, where the f sound is spelt gh, because in those cases the spelling does still include letters (however seemingly illogical) for each of the sounds.
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There are many English words with silent letters, words like gnome or island that are spelt with consonants that aren't pronounced, but are there any words that work the other way round, with a pronunciation that includes extra sounds or syllables that are not in the spelling?
I can't think of any real examples, hence this question, but a made-up example would be if gnome were spelt nome but pronounced with a g at the start. Or if people started pronouncing offer as "ofter" as a sort of weird parallel to after.
Note: I don't mean words like rough, where the f sound is spelt gh, because in those cases the spelling does still include letters (however seemingly illogical) for each of the sounds.
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one maybe? where does consonant "w" sound come from?
– katatahito
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Are you including common mispronunciations? I sometimes hear an added 'r' sound, such as in 'idea(r) and 'saw(r).'
– Don Branson
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@DonBranson That's the "intrusive R", and it seems to be gaining acceptance: see Linking and intrusive R.
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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@TannerSwett - Ug. :) Thanks for the info.
– Don Branson
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@Davo - I wouldn't include that, that's pretty normal for X.
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There are many English words with silent letters, words like gnome or island that are spelt with consonants that aren't pronounced, but are there any words that work the other way round, with a pronunciation that includes extra sounds or syllables that are not in the spelling?
I can't think of any real examples, hence this question, but a made-up example would be if gnome were spelt nome but pronounced with a g at the start. Or if people started pronouncing offer as "ofter" as a sort of weird parallel to after.
Note: I don't mean words like rough, where the f sound is spelt gh, because in those cases the spelling does still include letters (however seemingly illogical) for each of the sounds.
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There are many English words with silent letters, words like gnome or island that are spelt with consonants that aren't pronounced, but are there any words that work the other way round, with a pronunciation that includes extra sounds or syllables that are not in the spelling?
I can't think of any real examples, hence this question, but a made-up example would be if gnome were spelt nome but pronounced with a g at the start. Or if people started pronouncing offer as "ofter" as a sort of weird parallel to after.
Note: I don't mean words like rough, where the f sound is spelt gh, because in those cases the spelling does still include letters (however seemingly illogical) for each of the sounds.
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one maybe? where does consonant "w" sound come from?
– katatahito
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Are you including common mispronunciations? I sometimes hear an added 'r' sound, such as in 'idea(r) and 'saw(r).'
– Don Branson
10 hours ago
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@DonBranson That's the "intrusive R", and it seems to be gaining acceptance: see Linking and intrusive R.
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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@TannerSwett - Ug. :) Thanks for the info.
– Don Branson
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@Davo - I wouldn't include that, that's pretty normal for X.
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one maybe? where does consonant "w" sound come from?
– katatahito
19 hours ago
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Are you including common mispronunciations? I sometimes hear an added 'r' sound, such as in 'idea(r) and 'saw(r).'
– Don Branson
10 hours ago
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@DonBranson That's the "intrusive R", and it seems to be gaining acceptance: see Linking and intrusive R.
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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@TannerSwett - Ug. :) Thanks for the info.
– Don Branson
10 hours ago
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@Davo - I wouldn't include that, that's pretty normal for X.
– nnnnnn
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one maybe? where does consonant "w" sound come from?
– katatahito
19 hours ago
one maybe? where does consonant "w" sound come from?
– katatahito
19 hours ago
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Are you including common mispronunciations? I sometimes hear an added 'r' sound, such as in 'idea(r) and 'saw(r).'
– Don Branson
10 hours ago
Are you including common mispronunciations? I sometimes hear an added 'r' sound, such as in 'idea(r) and 'saw(r).'
– Don Branson
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@DonBranson That's the "intrusive R", and it seems to be gaining acceptance: see Linking and intrusive R.
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
@DonBranson That's the "intrusive R", and it seems to be gaining acceptance: see Linking and intrusive R.
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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@TannerSwett - Ug. :) Thanks for the info.
– Don Branson
10 hours ago
@TannerSwett - Ug. :) Thanks for the info.
– Don Branson
10 hours ago
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@Davo - I wouldn't include that, that's pretty normal for X.
– nnnnnn
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@Davo - I wouldn't include that, that's pretty normal for X.
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Lieutenant in British English is pronounced with an f: /lɛfˈtɛnənt/.
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While we're on the topic of army ranks, would you like to mention colonel? :)
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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@Tanner not quite an answer to this question, for while it has weird vowels and a silent "l" there's no extra consonant.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
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I always thought of the /f/ coming from the "u" letter, which would have denoted a /v/ sound in earlier spelling systems.
– TaliesinMerlin
10 hours ago
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Facepalm - I always, for no real reason, assumed that in the UK/British military,Leftenant
was a different rank thanLieutenant
. ....Either in the a different branch (e.g. Army vs Navy), or a difference for Commissioned/Non-Commissioned ranks, or ...something. Learned something new today :O
– BruceWayne
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@curiousdanii: colonel has an /r/ in American English; it's a homophone of kernel.
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Probably "yes", but it depends on what you mean. There isn't actually a clear way to identify which sounds in a word correspond to which letters: for example, rough, which you say has letters for "each of the sounds", could be analyzed as r- + -ou- + -gh or as r- + -o- + ugh. When similar issues arise with other words, it makes it pretty subjective to decide whether the word has consonant sounds that "aren't part of the spelling" or that just have an complex relationship to the spelling.
Some words that could be considered to meet your criteria:
Consonants
Any word with an epenthetic voiceless plosive between a nasal and a following consonant. For many speakers, a productive process causes a sound like /t/, /p/ or /k/ to be inserted after the sounds /n/, /m/ or /ŋ/ respectively in various environments. In most words, the epenthetic plosive is not written, so you could say that there is a /p/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of warmth, dreamt, hamster, seamstress, a /t/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of sense, glance, a /k/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of strength, angst.
In eighth and in one pronunciation of threshold, a digraph that usually represents a single sound corresponds instead to two sounds: /tθ/ and /ʃh/ respectively. You could say that the /t/ in eighth or the /h/ in that pronunciation of threshold isn't part of the spelling. Also, eighteen is usually pronounced like "eight teen", so you could say that it contains an extra /t/ sound in addition to the one represented by the single letter T.
Something similar applies for speakers who use the pronunciation /haıtθ/ instead of /haıt/: whether it's spelled height or heighth, it seems like one of the two sounds at the end is not explicitly represented in the spelling.
In some accents of British English, the vowels found in words like saw and draw is regularly followed by epenthetic /r/ before another vowel. This means that the words sawing and drawing are pronounced with an /r/ that "isn't part of the spelling".
Vowels or syllables
- Many words with syllabic resonants, or sequences of a schwa followed by a resonant, have no particular letter that marks the syllabicity. Words ending in -thm or -sm are the most obvious example. Other examples are more dialect dependent, but words like hour are disyllabic for some speakers.
Good answer. Hamster, etc., exhibit exactly the sort of thing I had in mind. Drawing is an interesting one that also fits my admittedly vague and subjective criteria.
– nnnnnn
17 hours ago
I like the mention of saw and draw in BrE. It's a peculiar little detail that I like about BrE.
– Ian
9 hours ago
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Regarding the edit, I'm used to hearing and saying eighteen with just the one t sound, but I can see why some people might say it the way you described.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
The /t/ sound in sense and glance was very hard for me to sense (pun intended) until I started thinking about the difference between glans and glance (the "ce" and "s" providing a supposedly identical sound).
– Draco18s
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"Colonel", which is pronounced identically to "kernel", as though the "lo" in the middle was somehow an "r".
The OP doesn't seem to count cases where an illogical consonant is used, so this doesn't quite fit the OP's requirements.
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Consonants that are pronounced but unmarked in spelling are relatively uncommon. There are a finite number of historical sound changes, and most of them involve either transforming one sound into another (assimilation; dissimilation) or removing the sound from a word (elision or deletion). ("Historical Sound Changes," Nativlang.com)
Adding a sound to a word is known as epenthesis. In many cases, consonants added as a result of epenthesis result from dialect features like rhoticity (ThoughtCo). While we often think of "r" being dropped in dialects (Boston: "Pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd"), sometimes they are added. In the American South, I grew up with "sherbert" for the word "sherbet"; the pronunciation is common enough for Merriam-Webster to describe it as a variant.
Non-dialect epenthesis resulting in an un-spelled but pronounced consonant is less common, since our spelling system was standardized relatively recently. So sounds like the "p" in pumpkin (historically also pumkin according to the OED) are marked in the spelling.
Here are a few other examples that show a range of consonant insertions:
- "warsh" for wash (placed in the Mid-US in this SE question)
- "hain't" for ain't (Appalachian English)
- "drawring" for drawing (British English, passim)
- "hampster" for hamster (common; Merriam-Webster notes the /p/ option)
- "warmpth" for warmth (common; again, M-W notes the optional /p/)
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What would it mean for something to be "non-dialect"? I guess you mean "in Standard English", but even then, American English and British English have quite different "standard" forms. I'm also surprised to see the assertion that spelling was standardized "relatively recently", given the vast number of spellings that demonstrate abandoned pronunciations. For that matter, there are spellings that have ended up standardised in ways that never matched pronunciation, like "debt".
– IMSoP
7 hours ago
1. The usage would have to be common across multiple large dialect areas, such that the usage no longer characterizes a single dialect group. That development takes time. 2. Pre-caffeine brain; "relatively recently" is 200-300 years ago, as distinguished from 1000+ years of English where spelling was not standardized. Yes, lots of standardized spellings represent abandoned pronunciations, but most pronunciation changes are transformations or deletions of sounds or epenthesis of vowels.
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Do you count words borrowed from another language that pronounces consonants differently? If so, I'd nominate pizza, which in American English is pronounced with a T (peet'-za).
There's also the common pronunciation of "sandwich" as "samwich", but that's a replacement, not an insertion.
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In the case of pizza, the pronunciation is just recognizing that it's an Italian word rather than an English word.
– John Bentin
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Thus the preface about whether or not you count borrowed words. Note, though, that piazza is often pronounced without the T, at least on this side of the Atlantic.
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People sometimes add an L sound to the word 'saw' when it's followed by a word that begins with a vowel, e.g., "I sawl it." This is common in south New Jersey.
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That's interesting, I've never heard that.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
Similarly in Philadelphia (which is very close to NJ, for our non-US-inhabitants); I've heard "drawl" instead of "draw". In addition, the digraph "st" is often pronounced "sht", as in "crossing the shtreet".
– Dancrumb
8 hours ago
A similar and well-known feature of the Bristol (UK) accent is to put an L onto any word ending witrh a vowel. The story goes that the town was originally Bristow but the spelling changed to suit the way the inhabitants pronounce it.
– TimLymington
6 hours ago
I've observed this with the word "bra".
– Monty Harder
6 hours ago
And a lot of people I've known pronounce "drawing" as "drawling."
– fluffy
1 hour ago
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That's a rough and tough question. It makes me hiccough as though I was drunk. (What's so bad about being drunk? Ask a glass of water.) It brings us to an entirely new plateau. It makes my neighbor worry about me. Dough! I can't think of any such words.
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Segue comes to mind, pronounced /ˈseɡ.weɪ/.
A 'w' is already a semi-vowel however.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
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But surely the /w/ is "part of the spelling" here—it's the letter "u".
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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Nuclear, which is often pronounced (wrongly!) with an extra syllable in the middle, more like ‘nucular’…
That's not an extra syllable so much as a misplaced syllable. If that were the correct pronunciation it would count.
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Lieutenant in British English is pronounced with an f: /lɛfˈtɛnənt/.
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While we're on the topic of army ranks, would you like to mention colonel? :)
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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@Tanner not quite an answer to this question, for while it has weird vowels and a silent "l" there's no extra consonant.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
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I always thought of the /f/ coming from the "u" letter, which would have denoted a /v/ sound in earlier spelling systems.
– TaliesinMerlin
10 hours ago
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Facepalm - I always, for no real reason, assumed that in the UK/British military,Leftenant
was a different rank thanLieutenant
. ....Either in the a different branch (e.g. Army vs Navy), or a difference for Commissioned/Non-Commissioned ranks, or ...something. Learned something new today :O
– BruceWayne
9 hours ago
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@curiousdanii: colonel has an /r/ in American English; it's a homophone of kernel.
– Peter Shor
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Lieutenant in British English is pronounced with an f: /lɛfˈtɛnənt/.
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While we're on the topic of army ranks, would you like to mention colonel? :)
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
1
@Tanner not quite an answer to this question, for while it has weird vowels and a silent "l" there's no extra consonant.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
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I always thought of the /f/ coming from the "u" letter, which would have denoted a /v/ sound in earlier spelling systems.
– TaliesinMerlin
10 hours ago
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Facepalm - I always, for no real reason, assumed that in the UK/British military,Leftenant
was a different rank thanLieutenant
. ....Either in the a different branch (e.g. Army vs Navy), or a difference for Commissioned/Non-Commissioned ranks, or ...something. Learned something new today :O
– BruceWayne
9 hours ago
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@curiousdanii: colonel has an /r/ in American English; it's a homophone of kernel.
– Peter Shor
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Lieutenant in British English is pronounced with an f: /lɛfˈtɛnənt/.
Lieutenant in British English is pronounced with an f: /lɛfˈtɛnənt/.
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While we're on the topic of army ranks, would you like to mention colonel? :)
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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@Tanner not quite an answer to this question, for while it has weird vowels and a silent "l" there's no extra consonant.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
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I always thought of the /f/ coming from the "u" letter, which would have denoted a /v/ sound in earlier spelling systems.
– TaliesinMerlin
10 hours ago
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Facepalm - I always, for no real reason, assumed that in the UK/British military,Leftenant
was a different rank thanLieutenant
. ....Either in the a different branch (e.g. Army vs Navy), or a difference for Commissioned/Non-Commissioned ranks, or ...something. Learned something new today :O
– BruceWayne
9 hours ago
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@curiousdanii: colonel has an /r/ in American English; it's a homophone of kernel.
– Peter Shor
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While we're on the topic of army ranks, would you like to mention colonel? :)
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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@Tanner not quite an answer to this question, for while it has weird vowels and a silent "l" there's no extra consonant.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
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I always thought of the /f/ coming from the "u" letter, which would have denoted a /v/ sound in earlier spelling systems.
– TaliesinMerlin
10 hours ago
2
Facepalm - I always, for no real reason, assumed that in the UK/British military,Leftenant
was a different rank thanLieutenant
. ....Either in the a different branch (e.g. Army vs Navy), or a difference for Commissioned/Non-Commissioned ranks, or ...something. Learned something new today :O
– BruceWayne
9 hours ago
20
@curiousdanii: colonel has an /r/ in American English; it's a homophone of kernel.
– Peter Shor
8 hours ago
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While we're on the topic of army ranks, would you like to mention colonel? :)
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
While we're on the topic of army ranks, would you like to mention colonel? :)
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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@Tanner not quite an answer to this question, for while it has weird vowels and a silent "l" there's no extra consonant.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
@Tanner not quite an answer to this question, for while it has weird vowels and a silent "l" there's no extra consonant.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
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I always thought of the /f/ coming from the "u" letter, which would have denoted a /v/ sound in earlier spelling systems.
– TaliesinMerlin
10 hours ago
I always thought of the /f/ coming from the "u" letter, which would have denoted a /v/ sound in earlier spelling systems.
– TaliesinMerlin
10 hours ago
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Facepalm - I always, for no real reason, assumed that in the UK/British military,
Leftenant
was a different rank than Lieutenant
. ....Either in the a different branch (e.g. Army vs Navy), or a difference for Commissioned/Non-Commissioned ranks, or ...something. Learned something new today :O– BruceWayne
9 hours ago
Facepalm - I always, for no real reason, assumed that in the UK/British military,
Leftenant
was a different rank than Lieutenant
. ....Either in the a different branch (e.g. Army vs Navy), or a difference for Commissioned/Non-Commissioned ranks, or ...something. Learned something new today :O– BruceWayne
9 hours ago
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@curiousdanii: colonel has an /r/ in American English; it's a homophone of kernel.
– Peter Shor
8 hours ago
@curiousdanii: colonel has an /r/ in American English; it's a homophone of kernel.
– Peter Shor
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Probably "yes", but it depends on what you mean. There isn't actually a clear way to identify which sounds in a word correspond to which letters: for example, rough, which you say has letters for "each of the sounds", could be analyzed as r- + -ou- + -gh or as r- + -o- + ugh. When similar issues arise with other words, it makes it pretty subjective to decide whether the word has consonant sounds that "aren't part of the spelling" or that just have an complex relationship to the spelling.
Some words that could be considered to meet your criteria:
Consonants
Any word with an epenthetic voiceless plosive between a nasal and a following consonant. For many speakers, a productive process causes a sound like /t/, /p/ or /k/ to be inserted after the sounds /n/, /m/ or /ŋ/ respectively in various environments. In most words, the epenthetic plosive is not written, so you could say that there is a /p/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of warmth, dreamt, hamster, seamstress, a /t/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of sense, glance, a /k/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of strength, angst.
In eighth and in one pronunciation of threshold, a digraph that usually represents a single sound corresponds instead to two sounds: /tθ/ and /ʃh/ respectively. You could say that the /t/ in eighth or the /h/ in that pronunciation of threshold isn't part of the spelling. Also, eighteen is usually pronounced like "eight teen", so you could say that it contains an extra /t/ sound in addition to the one represented by the single letter T.
Something similar applies for speakers who use the pronunciation /haıtθ/ instead of /haıt/: whether it's spelled height or heighth, it seems like one of the two sounds at the end is not explicitly represented in the spelling.
In some accents of British English, the vowels found in words like saw and draw is regularly followed by epenthetic /r/ before another vowel. This means that the words sawing and drawing are pronounced with an /r/ that "isn't part of the spelling".
Vowels or syllables
- Many words with syllabic resonants, or sequences of a schwa followed by a resonant, have no particular letter that marks the syllabicity. Words ending in -thm or -sm are the most obvious example. Other examples are more dialect dependent, but words like hour are disyllabic for some speakers.
Good answer. Hamster, etc., exhibit exactly the sort of thing I had in mind. Drawing is an interesting one that also fits my admittedly vague and subjective criteria.
– nnnnnn
17 hours ago
I like the mention of saw and draw in BrE. It's a peculiar little detail that I like about BrE.
– Ian
9 hours ago
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Regarding the edit, I'm used to hearing and saying eighteen with just the one t sound, but I can see why some people might say it the way you described.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
The /t/ sound in sense and glance was very hard for me to sense (pun intended) until I started thinking about the difference between glans and glance (the "ce" and "s" providing a supposedly identical sound).
– Draco18s
6 hours ago
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Probably "yes", but it depends on what you mean. There isn't actually a clear way to identify which sounds in a word correspond to which letters: for example, rough, which you say has letters for "each of the sounds", could be analyzed as r- + -ou- + -gh or as r- + -o- + ugh. When similar issues arise with other words, it makes it pretty subjective to decide whether the word has consonant sounds that "aren't part of the spelling" or that just have an complex relationship to the spelling.
Some words that could be considered to meet your criteria:
Consonants
Any word with an epenthetic voiceless plosive between a nasal and a following consonant. For many speakers, a productive process causes a sound like /t/, /p/ or /k/ to be inserted after the sounds /n/, /m/ or /ŋ/ respectively in various environments. In most words, the epenthetic plosive is not written, so you could say that there is a /p/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of warmth, dreamt, hamster, seamstress, a /t/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of sense, glance, a /k/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of strength, angst.
In eighth and in one pronunciation of threshold, a digraph that usually represents a single sound corresponds instead to two sounds: /tθ/ and /ʃh/ respectively. You could say that the /t/ in eighth or the /h/ in that pronunciation of threshold isn't part of the spelling. Also, eighteen is usually pronounced like "eight teen", so you could say that it contains an extra /t/ sound in addition to the one represented by the single letter T.
Something similar applies for speakers who use the pronunciation /haıtθ/ instead of /haıt/: whether it's spelled height or heighth, it seems like one of the two sounds at the end is not explicitly represented in the spelling.
In some accents of British English, the vowels found in words like saw and draw is regularly followed by epenthetic /r/ before another vowel. This means that the words sawing and drawing are pronounced with an /r/ that "isn't part of the spelling".
Vowels or syllables
- Many words with syllabic resonants, or sequences of a schwa followed by a resonant, have no particular letter that marks the syllabicity. Words ending in -thm or -sm are the most obvious example. Other examples are more dialect dependent, but words like hour are disyllabic for some speakers.
Good answer. Hamster, etc., exhibit exactly the sort of thing I had in mind. Drawing is an interesting one that also fits my admittedly vague and subjective criteria.
– nnnnnn
17 hours ago
I like the mention of saw and draw in BrE. It's a peculiar little detail that I like about BrE.
– Ian
9 hours ago
1
Regarding the edit, I'm used to hearing and saying eighteen with just the one t sound, but I can see why some people might say it the way you described.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
The /t/ sound in sense and glance was very hard for me to sense (pun intended) until I started thinking about the difference between glans and glance (the "ce" and "s" providing a supposedly identical sound).
– Draco18s
6 hours ago
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Probably "yes", but it depends on what you mean. There isn't actually a clear way to identify which sounds in a word correspond to which letters: for example, rough, which you say has letters for "each of the sounds", could be analyzed as r- + -ou- + -gh or as r- + -o- + ugh. When similar issues arise with other words, it makes it pretty subjective to decide whether the word has consonant sounds that "aren't part of the spelling" or that just have an complex relationship to the spelling.
Some words that could be considered to meet your criteria:
Consonants
Any word with an epenthetic voiceless plosive between a nasal and a following consonant. For many speakers, a productive process causes a sound like /t/, /p/ or /k/ to be inserted after the sounds /n/, /m/ or /ŋ/ respectively in various environments. In most words, the epenthetic plosive is not written, so you could say that there is a /p/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of warmth, dreamt, hamster, seamstress, a /t/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of sense, glance, a /k/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of strength, angst.
In eighth and in one pronunciation of threshold, a digraph that usually represents a single sound corresponds instead to two sounds: /tθ/ and /ʃh/ respectively. You could say that the /t/ in eighth or the /h/ in that pronunciation of threshold isn't part of the spelling. Also, eighteen is usually pronounced like "eight teen", so you could say that it contains an extra /t/ sound in addition to the one represented by the single letter T.
Something similar applies for speakers who use the pronunciation /haıtθ/ instead of /haıt/: whether it's spelled height or heighth, it seems like one of the two sounds at the end is not explicitly represented in the spelling.
In some accents of British English, the vowels found in words like saw and draw is regularly followed by epenthetic /r/ before another vowel. This means that the words sawing and drawing are pronounced with an /r/ that "isn't part of the spelling".
Vowels or syllables
- Many words with syllabic resonants, or sequences of a schwa followed by a resonant, have no particular letter that marks the syllabicity. Words ending in -thm or -sm are the most obvious example. Other examples are more dialect dependent, but words like hour are disyllabic for some speakers.
Probably "yes", but it depends on what you mean. There isn't actually a clear way to identify which sounds in a word correspond to which letters: for example, rough, which you say has letters for "each of the sounds", could be analyzed as r- + -ou- + -gh or as r- + -o- + ugh. When similar issues arise with other words, it makes it pretty subjective to decide whether the word has consonant sounds that "aren't part of the spelling" or that just have an complex relationship to the spelling.
Some words that could be considered to meet your criteria:
Consonants
Any word with an epenthetic voiceless plosive between a nasal and a following consonant. For many speakers, a productive process causes a sound like /t/, /p/ or /k/ to be inserted after the sounds /n/, /m/ or /ŋ/ respectively in various environments. In most words, the epenthetic plosive is not written, so you could say that there is a /p/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of warmth, dreamt, hamster, seamstress, a /t/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of sense, glance, a /k/ in the pronunciation but not the spelling of strength, angst.
In eighth and in one pronunciation of threshold, a digraph that usually represents a single sound corresponds instead to two sounds: /tθ/ and /ʃh/ respectively. You could say that the /t/ in eighth or the /h/ in that pronunciation of threshold isn't part of the spelling. Also, eighteen is usually pronounced like "eight teen", so you could say that it contains an extra /t/ sound in addition to the one represented by the single letter T.
Something similar applies for speakers who use the pronunciation /haıtθ/ instead of /haıt/: whether it's spelled height or heighth, it seems like one of the two sounds at the end is not explicitly represented in the spelling.
In some accents of British English, the vowels found in words like saw and draw is regularly followed by epenthetic /r/ before another vowel. This means that the words sawing and drawing are pronounced with an /r/ that "isn't part of the spelling".
Vowels or syllables
- Many words with syllabic resonants, or sequences of a schwa followed by a resonant, have no particular letter that marks the syllabicity. Words ending in -thm or -sm are the most obvious example. Other examples are more dialect dependent, but words like hour are disyllabic for some speakers.
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Good answer. Hamster, etc., exhibit exactly the sort of thing I had in mind. Drawing is an interesting one that also fits my admittedly vague and subjective criteria.
– nnnnnn
17 hours ago
I like the mention of saw and draw in BrE. It's a peculiar little detail that I like about BrE.
– Ian
9 hours ago
1
Regarding the edit, I'm used to hearing and saying eighteen with just the one t sound, but I can see why some people might say it the way you described.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
The /t/ sound in sense and glance was very hard for me to sense (pun intended) until I started thinking about the difference between glans and glance (the "ce" and "s" providing a supposedly identical sound).
– Draco18s
6 hours ago
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Good answer. Hamster, etc., exhibit exactly the sort of thing I had in mind. Drawing is an interesting one that also fits my admittedly vague and subjective criteria.
– nnnnnn
17 hours ago
I like the mention of saw and draw in BrE. It's a peculiar little detail that I like about BrE.
– Ian
9 hours ago
1
Regarding the edit, I'm used to hearing and saying eighteen with just the one t sound, but I can see why some people might say it the way you described.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
The /t/ sound in sense and glance was very hard for me to sense (pun intended) until I started thinking about the difference between glans and glance (the "ce" and "s" providing a supposedly identical sound).
– Draco18s
6 hours ago
Good answer. Hamster, etc., exhibit exactly the sort of thing I had in mind. Drawing is an interesting one that also fits my admittedly vague and subjective criteria.
– nnnnnn
17 hours ago
Good answer. Hamster, etc., exhibit exactly the sort of thing I had in mind. Drawing is an interesting one that also fits my admittedly vague and subjective criteria.
– nnnnnn
17 hours ago
I like the mention of saw and draw in BrE. It's a peculiar little detail that I like about BrE.
– Ian
9 hours ago
I like the mention of saw and draw in BrE. It's a peculiar little detail that I like about BrE.
– Ian
9 hours ago
1
1
Regarding the edit, I'm used to hearing and saying eighteen with just the one t sound, but I can see why some people might say it the way you described.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
Regarding the edit, I'm used to hearing and saying eighteen with just the one t sound, but I can see why some people might say it the way you described.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
The /t/ sound in sense and glance was very hard for me to sense (pun intended) until I started thinking about the difference between glans and glance (the "ce" and "s" providing a supposedly identical sound).
– Draco18s
6 hours ago
The /t/ sound in sense and glance was very hard for me to sense (pun intended) until I started thinking about the difference between glans and glance (the "ce" and "s" providing a supposedly identical sound).
– Draco18s
6 hours ago
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"Colonel", which is pronounced identically to "kernel", as though the "lo" in the middle was somehow an "r".
The OP doesn't seem to count cases where an illogical consonant is used, so this doesn't quite fit the OP's requirements.
– ShadowRanger
4 hours ago
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"Colonel", which is pronounced identically to "kernel", as though the "lo" in the middle was somehow an "r".
The OP doesn't seem to count cases where an illogical consonant is used, so this doesn't quite fit the OP's requirements.
– ShadowRanger
4 hours ago
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"Colonel", which is pronounced identically to "kernel", as though the "lo" in the middle was somehow an "r".
"Colonel", which is pronounced identically to "kernel", as though the "lo" in the middle was somehow an "r".
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The OP doesn't seem to count cases where an illogical consonant is used, so this doesn't quite fit the OP's requirements.
– ShadowRanger
4 hours ago
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The OP doesn't seem to count cases where an illogical consonant is used, so this doesn't quite fit the OP's requirements.
– ShadowRanger
4 hours ago
The OP doesn't seem to count cases where an illogical consonant is used, so this doesn't quite fit the OP's requirements.
– ShadowRanger
4 hours ago
The OP doesn't seem to count cases where an illogical consonant is used, so this doesn't quite fit the OP's requirements.
– ShadowRanger
4 hours ago
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Consonants that are pronounced but unmarked in spelling are relatively uncommon. There are a finite number of historical sound changes, and most of them involve either transforming one sound into another (assimilation; dissimilation) or removing the sound from a word (elision or deletion). ("Historical Sound Changes," Nativlang.com)
Adding a sound to a word is known as epenthesis. In many cases, consonants added as a result of epenthesis result from dialect features like rhoticity (ThoughtCo). While we often think of "r" being dropped in dialects (Boston: "Pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd"), sometimes they are added. In the American South, I grew up with "sherbert" for the word "sherbet"; the pronunciation is common enough for Merriam-Webster to describe it as a variant.
Non-dialect epenthesis resulting in an un-spelled but pronounced consonant is less common, since our spelling system was standardized relatively recently. So sounds like the "p" in pumpkin (historically also pumkin according to the OED) are marked in the spelling.
Here are a few other examples that show a range of consonant insertions:
- "warsh" for wash (placed in the Mid-US in this SE question)
- "hain't" for ain't (Appalachian English)
- "drawring" for drawing (British English, passim)
- "hampster" for hamster (common; Merriam-Webster notes the /p/ option)
- "warmpth" for warmth (common; again, M-W notes the optional /p/)
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What would it mean for something to be "non-dialect"? I guess you mean "in Standard English", but even then, American English and British English have quite different "standard" forms. I'm also surprised to see the assertion that spelling was standardized "relatively recently", given the vast number of spellings that demonstrate abandoned pronunciations. For that matter, there are spellings that have ended up standardised in ways that never matched pronunciation, like "debt".
– IMSoP
7 hours ago
1. The usage would have to be common across multiple large dialect areas, such that the usage no longer characterizes a single dialect group. That development takes time. 2. Pre-caffeine brain; "relatively recently" is 200-300 years ago, as distinguished from 1000+ years of English where spelling was not standardized. Yes, lots of standardized spellings represent abandoned pronunciations, but most pronunciation changes are transformations or deletions of sounds or epenthesis of vowels.
– TaliesinMerlin
6 hours ago
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Consonants that are pronounced but unmarked in spelling are relatively uncommon. There are a finite number of historical sound changes, and most of them involve either transforming one sound into another (assimilation; dissimilation) or removing the sound from a word (elision or deletion). ("Historical Sound Changes," Nativlang.com)
Adding a sound to a word is known as epenthesis. In many cases, consonants added as a result of epenthesis result from dialect features like rhoticity (ThoughtCo). While we often think of "r" being dropped in dialects (Boston: "Pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd"), sometimes they are added. In the American South, I grew up with "sherbert" for the word "sherbet"; the pronunciation is common enough for Merriam-Webster to describe it as a variant.
Non-dialect epenthesis resulting in an un-spelled but pronounced consonant is less common, since our spelling system was standardized relatively recently. So sounds like the "p" in pumpkin (historically also pumkin according to the OED) are marked in the spelling.
Here are a few other examples that show a range of consonant insertions:
- "warsh" for wash (placed in the Mid-US in this SE question)
- "hain't" for ain't (Appalachian English)
- "drawring" for drawing (British English, passim)
- "hampster" for hamster (common; Merriam-Webster notes the /p/ option)
- "warmpth" for warmth (common; again, M-W notes the optional /p/)
1
What would it mean for something to be "non-dialect"? I guess you mean "in Standard English", but even then, American English and British English have quite different "standard" forms. I'm also surprised to see the assertion that spelling was standardized "relatively recently", given the vast number of spellings that demonstrate abandoned pronunciations. For that matter, there are spellings that have ended up standardised in ways that never matched pronunciation, like "debt".
– IMSoP
7 hours ago
1. The usage would have to be common across multiple large dialect areas, such that the usage no longer characterizes a single dialect group. That development takes time. 2. Pre-caffeine brain; "relatively recently" is 200-300 years ago, as distinguished from 1000+ years of English where spelling was not standardized. Yes, lots of standardized spellings represent abandoned pronunciations, but most pronunciation changes are transformations or deletions of sounds or epenthesis of vowels.
– TaliesinMerlin
6 hours ago
add a comment |
Consonants that are pronounced but unmarked in spelling are relatively uncommon. There are a finite number of historical sound changes, and most of them involve either transforming one sound into another (assimilation; dissimilation) or removing the sound from a word (elision or deletion). ("Historical Sound Changes," Nativlang.com)
Adding a sound to a word is known as epenthesis. In many cases, consonants added as a result of epenthesis result from dialect features like rhoticity (ThoughtCo). While we often think of "r" being dropped in dialects (Boston: "Pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd"), sometimes they are added. In the American South, I grew up with "sherbert" for the word "sherbet"; the pronunciation is common enough for Merriam-Webster to describe it as a variant.
Non-dialect epenthesis resulting in an un-spelled but pronounced consonant is less common, since our spelling system was standardized relatively recently. So sounds like the "p" in pumpkin (historically also pumkin according to the OED) are marked in the spelling.
Here are a few other examples that show a range of consonant insertions:
- "warsh" for wash (placed in the Mid-US in this SE question)
- "hain't" for ain't (Appalachian English)
- "drawring" for drawing (British English, passim)
- "hampster" for hamster (common; Merriam-Webster notes the /p/ option)
- "warmpth" for warmth (common; again, M-W notes the optional /p/)
Consonants that are pronounced but unmarked in spelling are relatively uncommon. There are a finite number of historical sound changes, and most of them involve either transforming one sound into another (assimilation; dissimilation) or removing the sound from a word (elision or deletion). ("Historical Sound Changes," Nativlang.com)
Adding a sound to a word is known as epenthesis. In many cases, consonants added as a result of epenthesis result from dialect features like rhoticity (ThoughtCo). While we often think of "r" being dropped in dialects (Boston: "Pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd"), sometimes they are added. In the American South, I grew up with "sherbert" for the word "sherbet"; the pronunciation is common enough for Merriam-Webster to describe it as a variant.
Non-dialect epenthesis resulting in an un-spelled but pronounced consonant is less common, since our spelling system was standardized relatively recently. So sounds like the "p" in pumpkin (historically also pumkin according to the OED) are marked in the spelling.
Here are a few other examples that show a range of consonant insertions:
- "warsh" for wash (placed in the Mid-US in this SE question)
- "hain't" for ain't (Appalachian English)
- "drawring" for drawing (British English, passim)
- "hampster" for hamster (common; Merriam-Webster notes the /p/ option)
- "warmpth" for warmth (common; again, M-W notes the optional /p/)
answered 9 hours ago
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What would it mean for something to be "non-dialect"? I guess you mean "in Standard English", but even then, American English and British English have quite different "standard" forms. I'm also surprised to see the assertion that spelling was standardized "relatively recently", given the vast number of spellings that demonstrate abandoned pronunciations. For that matter, there are spellings that have ended up standardised in ways that never matched pronunciation, like "debt".
– IMSoP
7 hours ago
1. The usage would have to be common across multiple large dialect areas, such that the usage no longer characterizes a single dialect group. That development takes time. 2. Pre-caffeine brain; "relatively recently" is 200-300 years ago, as distinguished from 1000+ years of English where spelling was not standardized. Yes, lots of standardized spellings represent abandoned pronunciations, but most pronunciation changes are transformations or deletions of sounds or epenthesis of vowels.
– TaliesinMerlin
6 hours ago
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1
What would it mean for something to be "non-dialect"? I guess you mean "in Standard English", but even then, American English and British English have quite different "standard" forms. I'm also surprised to see the assertion that spelling was standardized "relatively recently", given the vast number of spellings that demonstrate abandoned pronunciations. For that matter, there are spellings that have ended up standardised in ways that never matched pronunciation, like "debt".
– IMSoP
7 hours ago
1. The usage would have to be common across multiple large dialect areas, such that the usage no longer characterizes a single dialect group. That development takes time. 2. Pre-caffeine brain; "relatively recently" is 200-300 years ago, as distinguished from 1000+ years of English where spelling was not standardized. Yes, lots of standardized spellings represent abandoned pronunciations, but most pronunciation changes are transformations or deletions of sounds or epenthesis of vowels.
– TaliesinMerlin
6 hours ago
1
1
What would it mean for something to be "non-dialect"? I guess you mean "in Standard English", but even then, American English and British English have quite different "standard" forms. I'm also surprised to see the assertion that spelling was standardized "relatively recently", given the vast number of spellings that demonstrate abandoned pronunciations. For that matter, there are spellings that have ended up standardised in ways that never matched pronunciation, like "debt".
– IMSoP
7 hours ago
What would it mean for something to be "non-dialect"? I guess you mean "in Standard English", but even then, American English and British English have quite different "standard" forms. I'm also surprised to see the assertion that spelling was standardized "relatively recently", given the vast number of spellings that demonstrate abandoned pronunciations. For that matter, there are spellings that have ended up standardised in ways that never matched pronunciation, like "debt".
– IMSoP
7 hours ago
1. The usage would have to be common across multiple large dialect areas, such that the usage no longer characterizes a single dialect group. That development takes time. 2. Pre-caffeine brain; "relatively recently" is 200-300 years ago, as distinguished from 1000+ years of English where spelling was not standardized. Yes, lots of standardized spellings represent abandoned pronunciations, but most pronunciation changes are transformations or deletions of sounds or epenthesis of vowels.
– TaliesinMerlin
6 hours ago
1. The usage would have to be common across multiple large dialect areas, such that the usage no longer characterizes a single dialect group. That development takes time. 2. Pre-caffeine brain; "relatively recently" is 200-300 years ago, as distinguished from 1000+ years of English where spelling was not standardized. Yes, lots of standardized spellings represent abandoned pronunciations, but most pronunciation changes are transformations or deletions of sounds or epenthesis of vowels.
– TaliesinMerlin
6 hours ago
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Do you count words borrowed from another language that pronounces consonants differently? If so, I'd nominate pizza, which in American English is pronounced with a T (peet'-za).
There's also the common pronunciation of "sandwich" as "samwich", but that's a replacement, not an insertion.
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In the case of pizza, the pronunciation is just recognizing that it's an Italian word rather than an English word.
– John Bentin
3 hours ago
Thus the preface about whether or not you count borrowed words. Note, though, that piazza is often pronounced without the T, at least on this side of the Atlantic.
– jeffB
3 hours ago
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Do you count words borrowed from another language that pronounces consonants differently? If so, I'd nominate pizza, which in American English is pronounced with a T (peet'-za).
There's also the common pronunciation of "sandwich" as "samwich", but that's a replacement, not an insertion.
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In the case of pizza, the pronunciation is just recognizing that it's an Italian word rather than an English word.
– John Bentin
3 hours ago
Thus the preface about whether or not you count borrowed words. Note, though, that piazza is often pronounced without the T, at least on this side of the Atlantic.
– jeffB
3 hours ago
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Do you count words borrowed from another language that pronounces consonants differently? If so, I'd nominate pizza, which in American English is pronounced with a T (peet'-za).
There's also the common pronunciation of "sandwich" as "samwich", but that's a replacement, not an insertion.
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Do you count words borrowed from another language that pronounces consonants differently? If so, I'd nominate pizza, which in American English is pronounced with a T (peet'-za).
There's also the common pronunciation of "sandwich" as "samwich", but that's a replacement, not an insertion.
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In the case of pizza, the pronunciation is just recognizing that it's an Italian word rather than an English word.
– John Bentin
3 hours ago
Thus the preface about whether or not you count borrowed words. Note, though, that piazza is often pronounced without the T, at least on this side of the Atlantic.
– jeffB
3 hours ago
add a comment |
In the case of pizza, the pronunciation is just recognizing that it's an Italian word rather than an English word.
– John Bentin
3 hours ago
Thus the preface about whether or not you count borrowed words. Note, though, that piazza is often pronounced without the T, at least on this side of the Atlantic.
– jeffB
3 hours ago
In the case of pizza, the pronunciation is just recognizing that it's an Italian word rather than an English word.
– John Bentin
3 hours ago
In the case of pizza, the pronunciation is just recognizing that it's an Italian word rather than an English word.
– John Bentin
3 hours ago
Thus the preface about whether or not you count borrowed words. Note, though, that piazza is often pronounced without the T, at least on this side of the Atlantic.
– jeffB
3 hours ago
Thus the preface about whether or not you count borrowed words. Note, though, that piazza is often pronounced without the T, at least on this side of the Atlantic.
– jeffB
3 hours ago
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People sometimes add an L sound to the word 'saw' when it's followed by a word that begins with a vowel, e.g., "I sawl it." This is common in south New Jersey.
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That's interesting, I've never heard that.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
Similarly in Philadelphia (which is very close to NJ, for our non-US-inhabitants); I've heard "drawl" instead of "draw". In addition, the digraph "st" is often pronounced "sht", as in "crossing the shtreet".
– Dancrumb
8 hours ago
A similar and well-known feature of the Bristol (UK) accent is to put an L onto any word ending witrh a vowel. The story goes that the town was originally Bristow but the spelling changed to suit the way the inhabitants pronounce it.
– TimLymington
6 hours ago
I've observed this with the word "bra".
– Monty Harder
6 hours ago
And a lot of people I've known pronounce "drawing" as "drawling."
– fluffy
1 hour ago
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People sometimes add an L sound to the word 'saw' when it's followed by a word that begins with a vowel, e.g., "I sawl it." This is common in south New Jersey.
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That's interesting, I've never heard that.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
Similarly in Philadelphia (which is very close to NJ, for our non-US-inhabitants); I've heard "drawl" instead of "draw". In addition, the digraph "st" is often pronounced "sht", as in "crossing the shtreet".
– Dancrumb
8 hours ago
A similar and well-known feature of the Bristol (UK) accent is to put an L onto any word ending witrh a vowel. The story goes that the town was originally Bristow but the spelling changed to suit the way the inhabitants pronounce it.
– TimLymington
6 hours ago
I've observed this with the word "bra".
– Monty Harder
6 hours ago
And a lot of people I've known pronounce "drawing" as "drawling."
– fluffy
1 hour ago
add a comment |
People sometimes add an L sound to the word 'saw' when it's followed by a word that begins with a vowel, e.g., "I sawl it." This is common in south New Jersey.
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People sometimes add an L sound to the word 'saw' when it's followed by a word that begins with a vowel, e.g., "I sawl it." This is common in south New Jersey.
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answered 10 hours ago
GenoGeno
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That's interesting, I've never heard that.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
Similarly in Philadelphia (which is very close to NJ, for our non-US-inhabitants); I've heard "drawl" instead of "draw". In addition, the digraph "st" is often pronounced "sht", as in "crossing the shtreet".
– Dancrumb
8 hours ago
A similar and well-known feature of the Bristol (UK) accent is to put an L onto any word ending witrh a vowel. The story goes that the town was originally Bristow but the spelling changed to suit the way the inhabitants pronounce it.
– TimLymington
6 hours ago
I've observed this with the word "bra".
– Monty Harder
6 hours ago
And a lot of people I've known pronounce "drawing" as "drawling."
– fluffy
1 hour ago
add a comment |
1
That's interesting, I've never heard that.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
Similarly in Philadelphia (which is very close to NJ, for our non-US-inhabitants); I've heard "drawl" instead of "draw". In addition, the digraph "st" is often pronounced "sht", as in "crossing the shtreet".
– Dancrumb
8 hours ago
A similar and well-known feature of the Bristol (UK) accent is to put an L onto any word ending witrh a vowel. The story goes that the town was originally Bristow but the spelling changed to suit the way the inhabitants pronounce it.
– TimLymington
6 hours ago
I've observed this with the word "bra".
– Monty Harder
6 hours ago
And a lot of people I've known pronounce "drawing" as "drawling."
– fluffy
1 hour ago
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That's interesting, I've never heard that.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
That's interesting, I've never heard that.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago
Similarly in Philadelphia (which is very close to NJ, for our non-US-inhabitants); I've heard "drawl" instead of "draw". In addition, the digraph "st" is often pronounced "sht", as in "crossing the shtreet".
– Dancrumb
8 hours ago
Similarly in Philadelphia (which is very close to NJ, for our non-US-inhabitants); I've heard "drawl" instead of "draw". In addition, the digraph "st" is often pronounced "sht", as in "crossing the shtreet".
– Dancrumb
8 hours ago
A similar and well-known feature of the Bristol (UK) accent is to put an L onto any word ending witrh a vowel. The story goes that the town was originally Bristow but the spelling changed to suit the way the inhabitants pronounce it.
– TimLymington
6 hours ago
A similar and well-known feature of the Bristol (UK) accent is to put an L onto any word ending witrh a vowel. The story goes that the town was originally Bristow but the spelling changed to suit the way the inhabitants pronounce it.
– TimLymington
6 hours ago
I've observed this with the word "bra".
– Monty Harder
6 hours ago
I've observed this with the word "bra".
– Monty Harder
6 hours ago
And a lot of people I've known pronounce "drawing" as "drawling."
– fluffy
1 hour ago
And a lot of people I've known pronounce "drawing" as "drawling."
– fluffy
1 hour ago
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That's a rough and tough question. It makes me hiccough as though I was drunk. (What's so bad about being drunk? Ask a glass of water.) It brings us to an entirely new plateau. It makes my neighbor worry about me. Dough! I can't think of any such words.
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That's a rough and tough question. It makes me hiccough as though I was drunk. (What's so bad about being drunk? Ask a glass of water.) It brings us to an entirely new plateau. It makes my neighbor worry about me. Dough! I can't think of any such words.
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That's a rough and tough question. It makes me hiccough as though I was drunk. (What's so bad about being drunk? Ask a glass of water.) It brings us to an entirely new plateau. It makes my neighbor worry about me. Dough! I can't think of any such words.
That's a rough and tough question. It makes me hiccough as though I was drunk. (What's so bad about being drunk? Ask a glass of water.) It brings us to an entirely new plateau. It makes my neighbor worry about me. Dough! I can't think of any such words.
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Segue comes to mind, pronounced /ˈseɡ.weɪ/.
A 'w' is already a semi-vowel however.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
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But surely the /w/ is "part of the spelling" here—it's the letter "u".
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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Segue comes to mind, pronounced /ˈseɡ.weɪ/.
A 'w' is already a semi-vowel however.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
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But surely the /w/ is "part of the spelling" here—it's the letter "u".
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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Segue comes to mind, pronounced /ˈseɡ.weɪ/.
Segue comes to mind, pronounced /ˈseɡ.weɪ/.
answered 16 hours ago
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A 'w' is already a semi-vowel however.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
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But surely the /w/ is "part of the spelling" here—it's the letter "u".
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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A 'w' is already a semi-vowel however.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
8
But surely the /w/ is "part of the spelling" here—it's the letter "u".
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
A 'w' is already a semi-vowel however.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
A 'w' is already a semi-vowel however.
– curiousdannii
10 hours ago
8
8
But surely the /w/ is "part of the spelling" here—it's the letter "u".
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
But surely the /w/ is "part of the spelling" here—it's the letter "u".
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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Nuclear, which is often pronounced (wrongly!) with an extra syllable in the middle, more like ‘nucular’…
That's not an extra syllable so much as a misplaced syllable. If that were the correct pronunciation it would count.
– nnnnnn
59 mins ago
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Nuclear, which is often pronounced (wrongly!) with an extra syllable in the middle, more like ‘nucular’…
That's not an extra syllable so much as a misplaced syllable. If that were the correct pronunciation it would count.
– nnnnnn
59 mins ago
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Nuclear, which is often pronounced (wrongly!) with an extra syllable in the middle, more like ‘nucular’…
Nuclear, which is often pronounced (wrongly!) with an extra syllable in the middle, more like ‘nucular’…
answered 1 hour ago
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That's not an extra syllable so much as a misplaced syllable. If that were the correct pronunciation it would count.
– nnnnnn
59 mins ago
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That's not an extra syllable so much as a misplaced syllable. If that were the correct pronunciation it would count.
– nnnnnn
59 mins ago
That's not an extra syllable so much as a misplaced syllable. If that were the correct pronunciation it would count.
– nnnnnn
59 mins ago
That's not an extra syllable so much as a misplaced syllable. If that were the correct pronunciation it would count.
– nnnnnn
59 mins ago
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one maybe? where does consonant "w" sound come from?
– katatahito
19 hours ago
2
Are you including common mispronunciations? I sometimes hear an added 'r' sound, such as in 'idea(r) and 'saw(r).'
– Don Branson
10 hours ago
3
@DonBranson That's the "intrusive R", and it seems to be gaining acceptance: see Linking and intrusive R.
– Tanner Swett
10 hours ago
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@TannerSwett - Ug. :) Thanks for the info.
– Don Branson
10 hours ago
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@Davo - I wouldn't include that, that's pretty normal for X.
– nnnnnn
9 hours ago