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A conjecture concerning symmetric convex sets
The logic of convex setsPolynomial roots and convexityTo give an estimate for the maximal function associated to the Schrödinger group by using a measurable selector functionBlow-Up for Semi-Linear Wave Equationscovering convex sets by round ballsOn an Inequality of Lars HörmanderUnderstanding the geometry of $H_n=x_i in [-N,N]:sum_i=1^n x_i = 0$Convex Hull of Outer Products of (Normalised) Nonnegative VectorsRandom Two-Player Asymmetric GameUnderstanding Polya, Hardy and Littlewood's definition of similarly-ordered
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Question:
Let's suppose that $S subset mathbbR^n$ is convex and symmetric so:
beginequation
x in S iff -x in S tag1
endequation
Now, if we define the radius of $S$ as $R$ such that:
beginequation
R = sup_x in S lVert x rVert tag2
endequation
and use (2) to define:
beginequation
V = x in S: lVert x rVert = R tag3
endequation
then I conjecture that:
beginequation
S = textconv(V) tag*
endequation
I have worked out special cases of this problem within the context of high-dimensional probability but I suspect that it's generally true.
Might there be a theorem which guarantees this result?
Special case:
As some people are voting to close this question I'd like to share my intuition about a special case as I think it might clarify my perspective.
I was thinking in particular about symmetric convex polytopes and my intuition was that all symmetric convex polytopes in $mathbbR^n$ whose vertex set equalled $V$ in (3) were regular polytopes.
Remark:
I consulted several texts on convexity in high dimensions and couldn't find an answer to this question. For this reason I decided to ask the question here.
reference-request real-analysis convex-polytopes convex-geometry
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Question:
Let's suppose that $S subset mathbbR^n$ is convex and symmetric so:
beginequation
x in S iff -x in S tag1
endequation
Now, if we define the radius of $S$ as $R$ such that:
beginequation
R = sup_x in S lVert x rVert tag2
endequation
and use (2) to define:
beginequation
V = x in S: lVert x rVert = R tag3
endequation
then I conjecture that:
beginequation
S = textconv(V) tag*
endequation
I have worked out special cases of this problem within the context of high-dimensional probability but I suspect that it's generally true.
Might there be a theorem which guarantees this result?
Special case:
As some people are voting to close this question I'd like to share my intuition about a special case as I think it might clarify my perspective.
I was thinking in particular about symmetric convex polytopes and my intuition was that all symmetric convex polytopes in $mathbbR^n$ whose vertex set equalled $V$ in (3) were regular polytopes.
Remark:
I consulted several texts on convexity in high dimensions and couldn't find an answer to this question. For this reason I decided to ask the question here.
reference-request real-analysis convex-polytopes convex-geometry
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It's even worse than in the answers given below: unless $S$ is assumed to be closed, $V$ can well be empty!
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– Mateusz Kwaśnicki
8 hours ago
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I implicitly assumed we want to also assume that $S$ is closed and bounded (otherwise we can get $R=infty$ or $V=varnothing$).
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– user19871987
6 hours ago
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Question:
Let's suppose that $S subset mathbbR^n$ is convex and symmetric so:
beginequation
x in S iff -x in S tag1
endequation
Now, if we define the radius of $S$ as $R$ such that:
beginequation
R = sup_x in S lVert x rVert tag2
endequation
and use (2) to define:
beginequation
V = x in S: lVert x rVert = R tag3
endequation
then I conjecture that:
beginequation
S = textconv(V) tag*
endequation
I have worked out special cases of this problem within the context of high-dimensional probability but I suspect that it's generally true.
Might there be a theorem which guarantees this result?
Special case:
As some people are voting to close this question I'd like to share my intuition about a special case as I think it might clarify my perspective.
I was thinking in particular about symmetric convex polytopes and my intuition was that all symmetric convex polytopes in $mathbbR^n$ whose vertex set equalled $V$ in (3) were regular polytopes.
Remark:
I consulted several texts on convexity in high dimensions and couldn't find an answer to this question. For this reason I decided to ask the question here.
reference-request real-analysis convex-polytopes convex-geometry
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Question:
Let's suppose that $S subset mathbbR^n$ is convex and symmetric so:
beginequation
x in S iff -x in S tag1
endequation
Now, if we define the radius of $S$ as $R$ such that:
beginequation
R = sup_x in S lVert x rVert tag2
endequation
and use (2) to define:
beginequation
V = x in S: lVert x rVert = R tag3
endequation
then I conjecture that:
beginequation
S = textconv(V) tag*
endequation
I have worked out special cases of this problem within the context of high-dimensional probability but I suspect that it's generally true.
Might there be a theorem which guarantees this result?
Special case:
As some people are voting to close this question I'd like to share my intuition about a special case as I think it might clarify my perspective.
I was thinking in particular about symmetric convex polytopes and my intuition was that all symmetric convex polytopes in $mathbbR^n$ whose vertex set equalled $V$ in (3) were regular polytopes.
Remark:
I consulted several texts on convexity in high dimensions and couldn't find an answer to this question. For this reason I decided to ask the question here.
reference-request real-analysis convex-polytopes convex-geometry
reference-request real-analysis convex-polytopes convex-geometry
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It's even worse than in the answers given below: unless $S$ is assumed to be closed, $V$ can well be empty!
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– Mateusz Kwaśnicki
8 hours ago
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I implicitly assumed we want to also assume that $S$ is closed and bounded (otherwise we can get $R=infty$ or $V=varnothing$).
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– user19871987
6 hours ago
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It's even worse than in the answers given below: unless $S$ is assumed to be closed, $V$ can well be empty!
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– Mateusz Kwaśnicki
8 hours ago
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I implicitly assumed we want to also assume that $S$ is closed and bounded (otherwise we can get $R=infty$ or $V=varnothing$).
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– user19871987
6 hours ago
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It's even worse than in the answers given below: unless $S$ is assumed to be closed, $V$ can well be empty!
$endgroup$
– Mateusz Kwaśnicki
8 hours ago
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It's even worse than in the answers given below: unless $S$ is assumed to be closed, $V$ can well be empty!
$endgroup$
– Mateusz Kwaśnicki
8 hours ago
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I implicitly assumed we want to also assume that $S$ is closed and bounded (otherwise we can get $R=infty$ or $V=varnothing$).
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– user19871987
6 hours ago
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I implicitly assumed we want to also assume that $S$ is closed and bounded (otherwise we can get $R=infty$ or $V=varnothing$).
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– user19871987
6 hours ago
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Consider the set
$$S:= (x,y) in mathbb R^2 : x^2+4y^2 leq 4 $$
This is convex and symmetric, and $R=2$.
But $V= (2,0), (-2,0) $ and $mboxconv(V)= (x, 0) : -2 leq x leq 2 neq S$.
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Has this obstruction anything to do with the fact that the isometry group of S is of order greater than 2?
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9 hours ago
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Take any convex, symmetric, bounded set $T$ in $mathbbR^n$. Choose any point $pin mathbbR^n$ such that $|p|>sup_xin T|x|$ and let $S$ be the convex hull of $Tcup pm p$. This set is convex and symmetric, $V=pm p$, and the convex hull of $V$ is just the line segment connecting $p$ and $-p$. It is easy to construct counterexmples in this way, for example if the original set $T$ has non-empty interior.
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Consider the set
$$S:= (x,y) in mathbb R^2 : x^2+4y^2 leq 4 $$
This is convex and symmetric, and $R=2$.
But $V= (2,0), (-2,0) $ and $mboxconv(V)= (x, 0) : -2 leq x leq 2 neq S$.
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Has this obstruction anything to do with the fact that the isometry group of S is of order greater than 2?
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– Sylvain JULIEN
9 hours ago
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Consider the set
$$S:= (x,y) in mathbb R^2 : x^2+4y^2 leq 4 $$
This is convex and symmetric, and $R=2$.
But $V= (2,0), (-2,0) $ and $mboxconv(V)= (x, 0) : -2 leq x leq 2 neq S$.
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Has this obstruction anything to do with the fact that the isometry group of S is of order greater than 2?
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– Sylvain JULIEN
9 hours ago
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Consider the set
$$S:= (x,y) in mathbb R^2 : x^2+4y^2 leq 4 $$
This is convex and symmetric, and $R=2$.
But $V= (2,0), (-2,0) $ and $mboxconv(V)= (x, 0) : -2 leq x leq 2 neq S$.
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Consider the set
$$S:= (x,y) in mathbb R^2 : x^2+4y^2 leq 4 $$
This is convex and symmetric, and $R=2$.
But $V= (2,0), (-2,0) $ and $mboxconv(V)= (x, 0) : -2 leq x leq 2 neq S$.
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Has this obstruction anything to do with the fact that the isometry group of S is of order greater than 2?
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Has this obstruction anything to do with the fact that the isometry group of S is of order greater than 2?
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– Sylvain JULIEN
9 hours ago
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Has this obstruction anything to do with the fact that the isometry group of S is of order greater than 2?
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– Sylvain JULIEN
9 hours ago
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Has this obstruction anything to do with the fact that the isometry group of S is of order greater than 2?
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– Sylvain JULIEN
9 hours ago
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Take any convex, symmetric, bounded set $T$ in $mathbbR^n$. Choose any point $pin mathbbR^n$ such that $|p|>sup_xin T|x|$ and let $S$ be the convex hull of $Tcup pm p$. This set is convex and symmetric, $V=pm p$, and the convex hull of $V$ is just the line segment connecting $p$ and $-p$. It is easy to construct counterexmples in this way, for example if the original set $T$ has non-empty interior.
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Take any convex, symmetric, bounded set $T$ in $mathbbR^n$. Choose any point $pin mathbbR^n$ such that $|p|>sup_xin T|x|$ and let $S$ be the convex hull of $Tcup pm p$. This set is convex and symmetric, $V=pm p$, and the convex hull of $V$ is just the line segment connecting $p$ and $-p$. It is easy to construct counterexmples in this way, for example if the original set $T$ has non-empty interior.
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Take any convex, symmetric, bounded set $T$ in $mathbbR^n$. Choose any point $pin mathbbR^n$ such that $|p|>sup_xin T|x|$ and let $S$ be the convex hull of $Tcup pm p$. This set is convex and symmetric, $V=pm p$, and the convex hull of $V$ is just the line segment connecting $p$ and $-p$. It is easy to construct counterexmples in this way, for example if the original set $T$ has non-empty interior.
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Take any convex, symmetric, bounded set $T$ in $mathbbR^n$. Choose any point $pin mathbbR^n$ such that $|p|>sup_xin T|x|$ and let $S$ be the convex hull of $Tcup pm p$. This set is convex and symmetric, $V=pm p$, and the convex hull of $V$ is just the line segment connecting $p$ and $-p$. It is easy to construct counterexmples in this way, for example if the original set $T$ has non-empty interior.
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