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Transform the partial differential equation with new independent variables


About finding the general solution of first-order totally nonlinear PDE with two independent variablesSecond degree partial differential equation with variable-changeSolving a partial differential equation by transformation of variables?Wave Equation Partial Differential EquationHow to solve nonlinear partial differential equation with two variablesSubstitution in partial differential equationSolve the following Partial Differential Equation with homogeneous BC'sTransform the differential equation $yu_x(x, y) - xu_y(x, y) = xyu(x, y)$ by introducing new variables $s = x^2+y^2$ and $t = e^-x^2/2$How to transform the PDE?Partial Differential Equation using Fourier Sine Transform













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Transform the following equation to new independent variables $u = x$, $v = x^2+y^2$



$$ yfracpartial zpartial x - x fracpartial zpartial y = 0 $$




Notce you don't have to actually solve the pde, the problem is to transform it. The official answer is $ fracpartial zpartial u = 0 $



My work:



$$ yfracpartial zpartial x = xfracpartial zpartial y longrightarrow frac1xfracpartial zpartial x = frac1yfracpartial zpartial y $$



$$ fracpartial zpartial y = fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial y longrightarrow fracpartial zpartial y = fracpartial zpartial v2y $$



Substituting, you get



$$ frac1x fracpartial zpartial x = 2fracpartial zpartial v $$



By the same procedure you can get



$$ fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial u $$



Finally, I got




$$ frac1ufracpartial zpartial u = 2fracpartial zpartial v $$




Which is obviously not the official answer. Am I doing something wrong and if not, how do I finish the problem?



Thanks.










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    Transform the following equation to new independent variables $u = x$, $v = x^2+y^2$



    $$ yfracpartial zpartial x - x fracpartial zpartial y = 0 $$




    Notce you don't have to actually solve the pde, the problem is to transform it. The official answer is $ fracpartial zpartial u = 0 $



    My work:



    $$ yfracpartial zpartial x = xfracpartial zpartial y longrightarrow frac1xfracpartial zpartial x = frac1yfracpartial zpartial y $$



    $$ fracpartial zpartial y = fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial y longrightarrow fracpartial zpartial y = fracpartial zpartial v2y $$



    Substituting, you get



    $$ frac1x fracpartial zpartial x = 2fracpartial zpartial v $$



    By the same procedure you can get



    $$ fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial u $$



    Finally, I got




    $$ frac1ufracpartial zpartial u = 2fracpartial zpartial v $$




    Which is obviously not the official answer. Am I doing something wrong and if not, how do I finish the problem?



    Thanks.










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      $begingroup$



      Transform the following equation to new independent variables $u = x$, $v = x^2+y^2$



      $$ yfracpartial zpartial x - x fracpartial zpartial y = 0 $$




      Notce you don't have to actually solve the pde, the problem is to transform it. The official answer is $ fracpartial zpartial u = 0 $



      My work:



      $$ yfracpartial zpartial x = xfracpartial zpartial y longrightarrow frac1xfracpartial zpartial x = frac1yfracpartial zpartial y $$



      $$ fracpartial zpartial y = fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial y longrightarrow fracpartial zpartial y = fracpartial zpartial v2y $$



      Substituting, you get



      $$ frac1x fracpartial zpartial x = 2fracpartial zpartial v $$



      By the same procedure you can get



      $$ fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial u $$



      Finally, I got




      $$ frac1ufracpartial zpartial u = 2fracpartial zpartial v $$




      Which is obviously not the official answer. Am I doing something wrong and if not, how do I finish the problem?



      Thanks.










      share|cite|improve this question









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      Transform the following equation to new independent variables $u = x$, $v = x^2+y^2$



      $$ yfracpartial zpartial x - x fracpartial zpartial y = 0 $$




      Notce you don't have to actually solve the pde, the problem is to transform it. The official answer is $ fracpartial zpartial u = 0 $



      My work:



      $$ yfracpartial zpartial x = xfracpartial zpartial y longrightarrow frac1xfracpartial zpartial x = frac1yfracpartial zpartial y $$



      $$ fracpartial zpartial y = fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial y longrightarrow fracpartial zpartial y = fracpartial zpartial v2y $$



      Substituting, you get



      $$ frac1x fracpartial zpartial x = 2fracpartial zpartial v $$



      By the same procedure you can get



      $$ fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial u $$



      Finally, I got




      $$ frac1ufracpartial zpartial u = 2fracpartial zpartial v $$




      Which is obviously not the official answer. Am I doing something wrong and if not, how do I finish the problem?



      Thanks.







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          In your procedure the step $fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial u$
          does not true.




          By chain rule:



          $$fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ufracpartial upartial x+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial x$$



          $$fracpartial zpartial y = fracpartial zpartial ufracpartial upartial y+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial y$$




          $implies$ $$fracpartial zpartial x =fracpartial zpartial u(1)+fracpartial zpartial v(2x)=fracpartial zpartial u+2xfracpartial zpartial v$$ and



          $$ fracpartial zpartial y =fracpartial zpartial u(0)+fracpartial zpartial v(2y)=2yfracpartial zpartial v$$



          So $yfracpartial zpartial x - x fracpartial zpartial y = 0implies yfracpartial zpartial u+2yxfracpartial zpartial v-2xyfracpartial zpartial v=0implies fracpartial zpartial u=0$






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            $fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ufracd ud x+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial x$




            $$fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ucdot1 + fracpartial zpartial vcdot2x $$




            Similarly,




            $$fracpartial zpartial y = 0 + fracpartial zpartial vcdot2y$$




            Now, $yfracpartial zpartial x - xfracpartial zpartial y = 0$



            $yfracpartial zpartial u + 2xycdotfracpartial zpartial v -2xycdot fracpartial zpartial v=0implies yfracpartial zpartial u=0$



            As, $y$ need not be necessarily $0$,




            $$fracpartial zpartial u=0$$







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              $$partial zoverpartial x=duover dxpartial zoverpartial u+dvover dxpartial zoverpartial v=(1)partial zoverpartial u+(2x)partial zoverpartial v$$
              $$partial zoverpartial y=duover dypartial zoverpartial u+dvover dypartial zoverpartial v=(0)partial zoverpartial u+(2y)partial zoverpartial v$$
              $$0=ypartial zoverpartial x-xpartial zoverpartial y=yleft(partial zoverpartial u+2xpartial zoverpartial vright)-xleft(2ypartial zoverpartial vright)=ypartial zoverpartial u$$
              Hence $partial zoverpartial u=0$



              The more important point is that I don't think you understand how to use the chain rule in multivariable calculus - perhaps you should check how it works






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                Indeed I have almost zero practice with the multivariable chain rule despite reading about it.. I'll practice it. Thanks.
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                @VictorS. I think the hurdle is understanding that although $u=x$, the partial derivatives with respect to them are not the same. The reason is by the implied fixing of $v$ and $y$ respectively. When we write $partial z/partial x$ we mean $partial z(x,y)/partial x$ for fixed $y$, but $partial z/partial u$ means $partial z(u,v)/partial u$ for fixed $v$. Indeed, if we also had $v=y$, then this would be trivial. But here, fixing $y$ is different to fixing $v$.
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              In your procedure the step $fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial u$
              does not true.




              By chain rule:



              $$fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ufracpartial upartial x+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial x$$



              $$fracpartial zpartial y = fracpartial zpartial ufracpartial upartial y+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial y$$




              $implies$ $$fracpartial zpartial x =fracpartial zpartial u(1)+fracpartial zpartial v(2x)=fracpartial zpartial u+2xfracpartial zpartial v$$ and



              $$ fracpartial zpartial y =fracpartial zpartial u(0)+fracpartial zpartial v(2y)=2yfracpartial zpartial v$$



              So $yfracpartial zpartial x - x fracpartial zpartial y = 0implies yfracpartial zpartial u+2yxfracpartial zpartial v-2xyfracpartial zpartial v=0implies fracpartial zpartial u=0$






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                $begingroup$

                In your procedure the step $fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial u$
                does not true.




                By chain rule:



                $$fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ufracpartial upartial x+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial x$$



                $$fracpartial zpartial y = fracpartial zpartial ufracpartial upartial y+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial y$$




                $implies$ $$fracpartial zpartial x =fracpartial zpartial u(1)+fracpartial zpartial v(2x)=fracpartial zpartial u+2xfracpartial zpartial v$$ and



                $$ fracpartial zpartial y =fracpartial zpartial u(0)+fracpartial zpartial v(2y)=2yfracpartial zpartial v$$



                So $yfracpartial zpartial x - x fracpartial zpartial y = 0implies yfracpartial zpartial u+2yxfracpartial zpartial v-2xyfracpartial zpartial v=0implies fracpartial zpartial u=0$






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                  In your procedure the step $fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial u$
                  does not true.




                  By chain rule:



                  $$fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ufracpartial upartial x+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial x$$



                  $$fracpartial zpartial y = fracpartial zpartial ufracpartial upartial y+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial y$$




                  $implies$ $$fracpartial zpartial x =fracpartial zpartial u(1)+fracpartial zpartial v(2x)=fracpartial zpartial u+2xfracpartial zpartial v$$ and



                  $$ fracpartial zpartial y =fracpartial zpartial u(0)+fracpartial zpartial v(2y)=2yfracpartial zpartial v$$



                  So $yfracpartial zpartial x - x fracpartial zpartial y = 0implies yfracpartial zpartial u+2yxfracpartial zpartial v-2xyfracpartial zpartial v=0implies fracpartial zpartial u=0$






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                  In your procedure the step $fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial u$
                  does not true.




                  By chain rule:



                  $$fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ufracpartial upartial x+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial x$$



                  $$fracpartial zpartial y = fracpartial zpartial ufracpartial upartial y+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial y$$




                  $implies$ $$fracpartial zpartial x =fracpartial zpartial u(1)+fracpartial zpartial v(2x)=fracpartial zpartial u+2xfracpartial zpartial v$$ and



                  $$ fracpartial zpartial y =fracpartial zpartial u(0)+fracpartial zpartial v(2y)=2yfracpartial zpartial v$$



                  So $yfracpartial zpartial x - x fracpartial zpartial y = 0implies yfracpartial zpartial u+2yxfracpartial zpartial v-2xyfracpartial zpartial v=0implies fracpartial zpartial u=0$







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                      $fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ufracd ud x+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial x$




                      $$fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ucdot1 + fracpartial zpartial vcdot2x $$




                      Similarly,




                      $$fracpartial zpartial y = 0 + fracpartial zpartial vcdot2y$$




                      Now, $yfracpartial zpartial x - xfracpartial zpartial y = 0$



                      $yfracpartial zpartial u + 2xycdotfracpartial zpartial v -2xycdot fracpartial zpartial v=0implies yfracpartial zpartial u=0$



                      As, $y$ need not be necessarily $0$,




                      $$fracpartial zpartial u=0$$







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                        $fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ufracd ud x+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial x$




                        $$fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ucdot1 + fracpartial zpartial vcdot2x $$




                        Similarly,




                        $$fracpartial zpartial y = 0 + fracpartial zpartial vcdot2y$$




                        Now, $yfracpartial zpartial x - xfracpartial zpartial y = 0$



                        $yfracpartial zpartial u + 2xycdotfracpartial zpartial v -2xycdot fracpartial zpartial v=0implies yfracpartial zpartial u=0$



                        As, $y$ need not be necessarily $0$,




                        $$fracpartial zpartial u=0$$







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                          $begingroup$

                          $fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ufracd ud x+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial x$




                          $$fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ucdot1 + fracpartial zpartial vcdot2x $$




                          Similarly,




                          $$fracpartial zpartial y = 0 + fracpartial zpartial vcdot2y$$




                          Now, $yfracpartial zpartial x - xfracpartial zpartial y = 0$



                          $yfracpartial zpartial u + 2xycdotfracpartial zpartial v -2xycdot fracpartial zpartial v=0implies yfracpartial zpartial u=0$



                          As, $y$ need not be necessarily $0$,




                          $$fracpartial zpartial u=0$$







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                          $fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ufracd ud x+fracpartial zpartial vfracpartial vpartial x$




                          $$fracpartial zpartial x = fracpartial zpartial ucdot1 + fracpartial zpartial vcdot2x $$




                          Similarly,




                          $$fracpartial zpartial y = 0 + fracpartial zpartial vcdot2y$$




                          Now, $yfracpartial zpartial x - xfracpartial zpartial y = 0$



                          $yfracpartial zpartial u + 2xycdotfracpartial zpartial v -2xycdot fracpartial zpartial v=0implies yfracpartial zpartial u=0$



                          As, $y$ need not be necessarily $0$,




                          $$fracpartial zpartial u=0$$








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                              $$partial zoverpartial x=duover dxpartial zoverpartial u+dvover dxpartial zoverpartial v=(1)partial zoverpartial u+(2x)partial zoverpartial v$$
                              $$partial zoverpartial y=duover dypartial zoverpartial u+dvover dypartial zoverpartial v=(0)partial zoverpartial u+(2y)partial zoverpartial v$$
                              $$0=ypartial zoverpartial x-xpartial zoverpartial y=yleft(partial zoverpartial u+2xpartial zoverpartial vright)-xleft(2ypartial zoverpartial vright)=ypartial zoverpartial u$$
                              Hence $partial zoverpartial u=0$



                              The more important point is that I don't think you understand how to use the chain rule in multivariable calculus - perhaps you should check how it works






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                              • $begingroup$
                                Indeed I have almost zero practice with the multivariable chain rule despite reading about it.. I'll practice it. Thanks.
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                                – Victor S.
                                7 hours ago










                              • $begingroup$
                                @VictorS. I think the hurdle is understanding that although $u=x$, the partial derivatives with respect to them are not the same. The reason is by the implied fixing of $v$ and $y$ respectively. When we write $partial z/partial x$ we mean $partial z(x,y)/partial x$ for fixed $y$, but $partial z/partial u$ means $partial z(u,v)/partial u$ for fixed $v$. Indeed, if we also had $v=y$, then this would be trivial. But here, fixing $y$ is different to fixing $v$.
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                              $$partial zoverpartial x=duover dxpartial zoverpartial u+dvover dxpartial zoverpartial v=(1)partial zoverpartial u+(2x)partial zoverpartial v$$
                              $$partial zoverpartial y=duover dypartial zoverpartial u+dvover dypartial zoverpartial v=(0)partial zoverpartial u+(2y)partial zoverpartial v$$
                              $$0=ypartial zoverpartial x-xpartial zoverpartial y=yleft(partial zoverpartial u+2xpartial zoverpartial vright)-xleft(2ypartial zoverpartial vright)=ypartial zoverpartial u$$
                              Hence $partial zoverpartial u=0$



                              The more important point is that I don't think you understand how to use the chain rule in multivariable calculus - perhaps you should check how it works






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                              • $begingroup$
                                Indeed I have almost zero practice with the multivariable chain rule despite reading about it.. I'll practice it. Thanks.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Victor S.
                                7 hours ago










                              • $begingroup$
                                @VictorS. I think the hurdle is understanding that although $u=x$, the partial derivatives with respect to them are not the same. The reason is by the implied fixing of $v$ and $y$ respectively. When we write $partial z/partial x$ we mean $partial z(x,y)/partial x$ for fixed $y$, but $partial z/partial u$ means $partial z(u,v)/partial u$ for fixed $v$. Indeed, if we also had $v=y$, then this would be trivial. But here, fixing $y$ is different to fixing $v$.
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                              $$partial zoverpartial x=duover dxpartial zoverpartial u+dvover dxpartial zoverpartial v=(1)partial zoverpartial u+(2x)partial zoverpartial v$$
                              $$partial zoverpartial y=duover dypartial zoverpartial u+dvover dypartial zoverpartial v=(0)partial zoverpartial u+(2y)partial zoverpartial v$$
                              $$0=ypartial zoverpartial x-xpartial zoverpartial y=yleft(partial zoverpartial u+2xpartial zoverpartial vright)-xleft(2ypartial zoverpartial vright)=ypartial zoverpartial u$$
                              Hence $partial zoverpartial u=0$



                              The more important point is that I don't think you understand how to use the chain rule in multivariable calculus - perhaps you should check how it works






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                              $$partial zoverpartial x=duover dxpartial zoverpartial u+dvover dxpartial zoverpartial v=(1)partial zoverpartial u+(2x)partial zoverpartial v$$
                              $$partial zoverpartial y=duover dypartial zoverpartial u+dvover dypartial zoverpartial v=(0)partial zoverpartial u+(2y)partial zoverpartial v$$
                              $$0=ypartial zoverpartial x-xpartial zoverpartial y=yleft(partial zoverpartial u+2xpartial zoverpartial vright)-xleft(2ypartial zoverpartial vright)=ypartial zoverpartial u$$
                              Hence $partial zoverpartial u=0$



                              The more important point is that I don't think you understand how to use the chain rule in multivariable calculus - perhaps you should check how it works







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                              • $begingroup$
                                Indeed I have almost zero practice with the multivariable chain rule despite reading about it.. I'll practice it. Thanks.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Victor S.
                                7 hours ago










                              • $begingroup$
                                @VictorS. I think the hurdle is understanding that although $u=x$, the partial derivatives with respect to them are not the same. The reason is by the implied fixing of $v$ and $y$ respectively. When we write $partial z/partial x$ we mean $partial z(x,y)/partial x$ for fixed $y$, but $partial z/partial u$ means $partial z(u,v)/partial u$ for fixed $v$. Indeed, if we also had $v=y$, then this would be trivial. But here, fixing $y$ is different to fixing $v$.
                                $endgroup$
                                – stanley dodds
                                7 hours ago

















                              • $begingroup$
                                Indeed I have almost zero practice with the multivariable chain rule despite reading about it.. I'll practice it. Thanks.
                                $endgroup$
                                – Victor S.
                                7 hours ago










                              • $begingroup$
                                @VictorS. I think the hurdle is understanding that although $u=x$, the partial derivatives with respect to them are not the same. The reason is by the implied fixing of $v$ and $y$ respectively. When we write $partial z/partial x$ we mean $partial z(x,y)/partial x$ for fixed $y$, but $partial z/partial u$ means $partial z(u,v)/partial u$ for fixed $v$. Indeed, if we also had $v=y$, then this would be trivial. But here, fixing $y$ is different to fixing $v$.
                                $endgroup$
                                – stanley dodds
                                7 hours ago
















                              $begingroup$
                              Indeed I have almost zero practice with the multivariable chain rule despite reading about it.. I'll practice it. Thanks.
                              $endgroup$
                              – Victor S.
                              7 hours ago




                              $begingroup$
                              Indeed I have almost zero practice with the multivariable chain rule despite reading about it.. I'll practice it. Thanks.
                              $endgroup$
                              – Victor S.
                              7 hours ago












                              $begingroup$
                              @VictorS. I think the hurdle is understanding that although $u=x$, the partial derivatives with respect to them are not the same. The reason is by the implied fixing of $v$ and $y$ respectively. When we write $partial z/partial x$ we mean $partial z(x,y)/partial x$ for fixed $y$, but $partial z/partial u$ means $partial z(u,v)/partial u$ for fixed $v$. Indeed, if we also had $v=y$, then this would be trivial. But here, fixing $y$ is different to fixing $v$.
                              $endgroup$
                              – stanley dodds
                              7 hours ago





                              $begingroup$
                              @VictorS. I think the hurdle is understanding that although $u=x$, the partial derivatives with respect to them are not the same. The reason is by the implied fixing of $v$ and $y$ respectively. When we write $partial z/partial x$ we mean $partial z(x,y)/partial x$ for fixed $y$, but $partial z/partial u$ means $partial z(u,v)/partial u$ for fixed $v$. Indeed, if we also had $v=y$, then this would be trivial. But here, fixing $y$ is different to fixing $v$.
                              $endgroup$
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                              7 hours ago


















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