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Can a wizard copy a spell without first identifying it?


How do you identify what spell is on a spell scroll?Can a multiclass Wizard copy any Wizard spell they find into their spellbook?Can a multiclass Wizard copy (and then use) a spell of a higher level than their Wizard level alone would permit?What is the easiest way a Wizard can copy-protect the scrolls he makes?Can a kenku wizard use Expert Forgery when copying a spell scroll into their spellbook?How many “additional” spells can I expect as a wizard in a published adventure?Can I copy prepared Cleric spells that are also on the Wizard spell list into my spellbook?Can a Wizard identify the spells in another spellbook without copying them into their own?Can a wizard copy arcane spells into his spellbook from other classes?If I fail the check to copy a spell from a scroll, is the gold needed to copy the spell spent anyway?What are the requirements for a wizard to successfully copy a spell from a scroll into their spell book?






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Let's say a Wizard finds a trove of spell scrolls. Rather than spending an hour per scroll identifying and then additional time and money copying it into their spellbook, can they simply copy the spell into their spellbook?



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Let's say a Wizard finds a trove of spell scrolls. Rather than spending an hour per scroll identifying and then additional time and money copying it into their spellbook, can they simply copy the spell into their spellbook?



And, if so, would the act of copying identify it?










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Let's say a Wizard finds a trove of spell scrolls. Rather than spending an hour per scroll identifying and then additional time and money copying it into their spellbook, can they simply copy the spell into their spellbook?



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No, because identification is automatic



The rules say:




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll …




Unless you want to play that scrolls are multiple pages of long, boring, irrelevant text (you know, like most fantasy novels), reading one takes seconds to minutes.






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    RAW: Casting is automatic, if you specifically spend an action reading the scroll. The full quote is "If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material Components." Otherwise, you would either need to cast Identify on it, or handle it for one hour like any other magical item. RAI? DM's discretion.
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    @DaleM Not normally. It's only the case because of the word "can" creating a conditional. And, even then, this is colloquial usage, and most texts that are trying to be exact would use "or" or add "or both" to make it unambiguous.
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No, because identification is automatic



The rules say:




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll …




Unless you want to play that scrolls are multiple pages of long, boring, irrelevant text (you know, like most fantasy novels), reading one takes seconds to minutes.






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  • $begingroup$
    RAW: Casting is automatic, if you specifically spend an action reading the scroll. The full quote is "If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material Components." Otherwise, you would either need to cast Identify on it, or handle it for one hour like any other magical item. RAI? DM's discretion.
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    @Ghedipunk normal English usage of the conjunction “and” includes “either” - only in Boolean logic does it mean “both”
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    – Dale M
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    $begingroup$
    @DaleM Not normally. It's only the case because of the word "can" creating a conditional. And, even then, this is colloquial usage, and most texts that are trying to be exact would use "or" or add "or both" to make it unambiguous.
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No, because identification is automatic



The rules say:




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll …




Unless you want to play that scrolls are multiple pages of long, boring, irrelevant text (you know, like most fantasy novels), reading one takes seconds to minutes.






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$endgroup$












  • $begingroup$
    RAW: Casting is automatic, if you specifically spend an action reading the scroll. The full quote is "If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material Components." Otherwise, you would either need to cast Identify on it, or handle it for one hour like any other magical item. RAI? DM's discretion.
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    @Ghedipunk normal English usage of the conjunction “and” includes “either” - only in Boolean logic does it mean “both”
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    – Dale M
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  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @DaleM Not normally. It's only the case because of the word "can" creating a conditional. And, even then, this is colloquial usage, and most texts that are trying to be exact would use "or" or add "or both" to make it unambiguous.
    $endgroup$
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No, because identification is automatic



The rules say:




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll …




Unless you want to play that scrolls are multiple pages of long, boring, irrelevant text (you know, like most fantasy novels), reading one takes seconds to minutes.






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No, because identification is automatic



The rules say:




If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll …




Unless you want to play that scrolls are multiple pages of long, boring, irrelevant text (you know, like most fantasy novels), reading one takes seconds to minutes.







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    RAW: Casting is automatic, if you specifically spend an action reading the scroll. The full quote is "If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material Components." Otherwise, you would either need to cast Identify on it, or handle it for one hour like any other magical item. RAI? DM's discretion.
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    @Ghedipunk normal English usage of the conjunction “and” includes “either” - only in Boolean logic does it mean “both”
    $endgroup$
    – Dale M
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  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @DaleM Not normally. It's only the case because of the word "can" creating a conditional. And, even then, this is colloquial usage, and most texts that are trying to be exact would use "or" or add "or both" to make it unambiguous.
    $endgroup$
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  • $begingroup$
    RAW: Casting is automatic, if you specifically spend an action reading the scroll. The full quote is "If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material Components." Otherwise, you would either need to cast Identify on it, or handle it for one hour like any other magical item. RAI? DM's discretion.
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    – Ghedipunk
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  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @Ghedipunk normal English usage of the conjunction “and” includes “either” - only in Boolean logic does it mean “both”
    $endgroup$
    – Dale M
    5 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    @DaleM Not normally. It's only the case because of the word "can" creating a conditional. And, even then, this is colloquial usage, and most texts that are trying to be exact would use "or" or add "or both" to make it unambiguous.
    $endgroup$
    – trlkly
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$begingroup$
RAW: Casting is automatic, if you specifically spend an action reading the scroll. The full quote is "If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material Components." Otherwise, you would either need to cast Identify on it, or handle it for one hour like any other magical item. RAI? DM's discretion.
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– Ghedipunk
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$begingroup$
RAW: Casting is automatic, if you specifically spend an action reading the scroll. The full quote is "If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material Components." Otherwise, you would either need to cast Identify on it, or handle it for one hour like any other magical item. RAI? DM's discretion.
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@Ghedipunk normal English usage of the conjunction “and” includes “either” - only in Boolean logic does it mean “both”
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@DaleM Not normally. It's only the case because of the word "can" creating a conditional. And, even then, this is colloquial usage, and most texts that are trying to be exact would use "or" or add "or both" to make it unambiguous.
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@DaleM Not normally. It's only the case because of the word "can" creating a conditional. And, even then, this is colloquial usage, and most texts that are trying to be exact would use "or" or add "or both" to make it unambiguous.
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