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    (1) You put a capitol M in the text, but a lowercase m in the title (they would mean different things no matter what) Also, (2) can you provide a picture? There are a few different systems of notation, and it could mean several slightly different things.

    – Ben I.
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  • Frequently, upper case means major and lower case means minor. But in roman numeral notation, the case is usually in the roman numeral itself, so there's no need for an "m" to denote the quality of the third. That is, IV means a major chord on the 4th scale degree and iv means a minor chord on the same scale degree, while GM means G major (though simply G is more common) and Gm means G minor. The picture you've posted is puzzling.

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    That symbol is new for me. What book/source did this come from?

    – Michael Curtis
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    Could you give some more context? Where do you see this? What key is the piece in? What chords come before or after it?

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    7 hours ago















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    (1) You put a capitol M in the text, but a lowercase m in the title (they would mean different things no matter what) Also, (2) can you provide a picture? There are a few different systems of notation, and it could mean several slightly different things.

    – Ben I.
    7 hours ago












  • Frequently, upper case means major and lower case means minor. But in roman numeral notation, the case is usually in the roman numeral itself, so there's no need for an "m" to denote the quality of the third. That is, IV means a major chord on the 4th scale degree and iv means a minor chord on the same scale degree, while GM means G major (though simply G is more common) and Gm means G minor. The picture you've posted is puzzling.

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    That symbol is new for me. What book/source did this come from?

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    Could you give some more context? Where do you see this? What key is the piece in? What chords come before or after it?

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    (1) You put a capitol M in the text, but a lowercase m in the title (they would mean different things no matter what) Also, (2) can you provide a picture? There are a few different systems of notation, and it could mean several slightly different things.

    – Ben I.
    7 hours ago












  • Frequently, upper case means major and lower case means minor. But in roman numeral notation, the case is usually in the roman numeral itself, so there's no need for an "m" to denote the quality of the third. That is, IV means a major chord on the 4th scale degree and iv means a minor chord on the same scale degree, while GM means G major (though simply G is more common) and Gm means G minor. The picture you've posted is puzzling.

    – phoog
    7 hours ago







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    That symbol is new for me. What book/source did this come from?

    – Michael Curtis
    7 hours ago







  • 2





    Could you give some more context? Where do you see this? What key is the piece in? What chords come before or after it?

    – phoog
    7 hours ago












  • 3





    (1) You put a capitol M in the text, but a lowercase m in the title (they would mean different things no matter what) Also, (2) can you provide a picture? There are a few different systems of notation, and it could mean several slightly different things.

    – Ben I.
    7 hours ago












  • Frequently, upper case means major and lower case means minor. But in roman numeral notation, the case is usually in the roman numeral itself, so there's no need for an "m" to denote the quality of the third. That is, IV means a major chord on the 4th scale degree and iv means a minor chord on the same scale degree, while GM means G major (though simply G is more common) and Gm means G minor. The picture you've posted is puzzling.

    – phoog
    7 hours ago







  • 2





    That symbol is new for me. What book/source did this come from?

    – Michael Curtis
    7 hours ago







  • 2





    Could you give some more context? Where do you see this? What key is the piece in? What chords come before or after it?

    – phoog
    7 hours ago







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(1) You put a capitol M in the text, but a lowercase m in the title (they would mean different things no matter what) Also, (2) can you provide a picture? There are a few different systems of notation, and it could mean several slightly different things.

– Ben I.
7 hours ago






(1) You put a capitol M in the text, but a lowercase m in the title (they would mean different things no matter what) Also, (2) can you provide a picture? There are a few different systems of notation, and it could mean several slightly different things.

– Ben I.
7 hours ago














Frequently, upper case means major and lower case means minor. But in roman numeral notation, the case is usually in the roman numeral itself, so there's no need for an "m" to denote the quality of the third. That is, IV means a major chord on the 4th scale degree and iv means a minor chord on the same scale degree, while GM means G major (though simply G is more common) and Gm means G minor. The picture you've posted is puzzling.

– phoog
7 hours ago






Frequently, upper case means major and lower case means minor. But in roman numeral notation, the case is usually in the roman numeral itself, so there's no need for an "m" to denote the quality of the third. That is, IV means a major chord on the 4th scale degree and iv means a minor chord on the same scale degree, while GM means G major (though simply G is more common) and Gm means G minor. The picture you've posted is puzzling.

– phoog
7 hours ago





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That symbol is new for me. What book/source did this come from?

– Michael Curtis
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That symbol is new for me. What book/source did this come from?

– Michael Curtis
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Could you give some more context? Where do you see this? What key is the piece in? What chords come before or after it?

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This might simply be a not-so-good way to indicate that the chord is Major. I usually see this in some kind of off-beat music sheets, usually written by people that don't really know that the capital I indicates that the chord is major or just don't know how to notate the chord numerals.



I disagree that the M means means major 7th (as in Imaj7), because you can deduce that from the 4 2, which means that the chord has a seventh and is in the third inversion.



What is really common, and you might often see, is the lower case m, which means minor, as in Cm or C minor (or Im / im). People extend this writing as C M or C Major (or IM . I Major), but it's not as common. You might see it on some transcriptions of songs on the internet for instance. So amateur musicians might often blend these two together to create a chord name / Roman numeral hybrid.






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    In my experience, the most common usage is that this "M" signifies that this is a major seventh chord. (But note, as phoog states, that "maj" is the more common usage.)



    This is necessary because something like a V7 assumes a minor seventh above the chordal root. As such, we have to clarify that this chord will be a major seventh quality.



    Regarding diatonic seventh chords in a major key, this M will only be necessary above the I and IV chords. All other seventh chords either:



    1. assume the minor seventh above the root (ii7, iii7, V7, vi7),


    2. or explicitly tell you the quality of the seventh chord (like for vii°7).






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    • In my experience the standard notation for a major seventh chord is maj7, as in IVmaj7.

      – phoog
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    • @phoog You're right; my first sentence was worded strangely. Edit incoming!

      – Richard
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    • This is the answer I would give. But just a sanity check for myself: isn't this particular "M" redundant for a I4/2 chord? Without the "M" the I will still be a major-seventh chord. By comparison jazz symbol require such symbols, because they don't refer to chord roots as scale degrees.

      – Michael Curtis
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      @MichaelCurtis It is redundant, assuming the chord is diatonic. But nevertheless some systems include these clarifications. It's really no different than clarifying "ø" for the vii7 chord in major.

      – Richard
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      Adding to your major sevenths symbols, there's 'little triangle' - can't find a font for it though!

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    This might simply be a not-so-good way to indicate that the chord is Major. I usually see this in some kind of off-beat music sheets, usually written by people that don't really know that the capital I indicates that the chord is major or just don't know how to notate the chord numerals.



    I disagree that the M means means major 7th (as in Imaj7), because you can deduce that from the 4 2, which means that the chord has a seventh and is in the third inversion.



    What is really common, and you might often see, is the lower case m, which means minor, as in Cm or C minor (or Im / im). People extend this writing as C M or C Major (or IM . I Major), but it's not as common. You might see it on some transcriptions of songs on the internet for instance. So amateur musicians might often blend these two together to create a chord name / Roman numeral hybrid.






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      This might simply be a not-so-good way to indicate that the chord is Major. I usually see this in some kind of off-beat music sheets, usually written by people that don't really know that the capital I indicates that the chord is major or just don't know how to notate the chord numerals.



      I disagree that the M means means major 7th (as in Imaj7), because you can deduce that from the 4 2, which means that the chord has a seventh and is in the third inversion.



      What is really common, and you might often see, is the lower case m, which means minor, as in Cm or C minor (or Im / im). People extend this writing as C M or C Major (or IM . I Major), but it's not as common. You might see it on some transcriptions of songs on the internet for instance. So amateur musicians might often blend these two together to create a chord name / Roman numeral hybrid.






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        This might simply be a not-so-good way to indicate that the chord is Major. I usually see this in some kind of off-beat music sheets, usually written by people that don't really know that the capital I indicates that the chord is major or just don't know how to notate the chord numerals.



        I disagree that the M means means major 7th (as in Imaj7), because you can deduce that from the 4 2, which means that the chord has a seventh and is in the third inversion.



        What is really common, and you might often see, is the lower case m, which means minor, as in Cm or C minor (or Im / im). People extend this writing as C M or C Major (or IM . I Major), but it's not as common. You might see it on some transcriptions of songs on the internet for instance. So amateur musicians might often blend these two together to create a chord name / Roman numeral hybrid.






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        This might simply be a not-so-good way to indicate that the chord is Major. I usually see this in some kind of off-beat music sheets, usually written by people that don't really know that the capital I indicates that the chord is major or just don't know how to notate the chord numerals.



        I disagree that the M means means major 7th (as in Imaj7), because you can deduce that from the 4 2, which means that the chord has a seventh and is in the third inversion.



        What is really common, and you might often see, is the lower case m, which means minor, as in Cm or C minor (or Im / im). People extend this writing as C M or C Major (or IM . I Major), but it's not as common. You might see it on some transcriptions of songs on the internet for instance. So amateur musicians might often blend these two together to create a chord name / Roman numeral hybrid.







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            In my experience, the most common usage is that this "M" signifies that this is a major seventh chord. (But note, as phoog states, that "maj" is the more common usage.)



            This is necessary because something like a V7 assumes a minor seventh above the chordal root. As such, we have to clarify that this chord will be a major seventh quality.



            Regarding diatonic seventh chords in a major key, this M will only be necessary above the I and IV chords. All other seventh chords either:



            1. assume the minor seventh above the root (ii7, iii7, V7, vi7),


            2. or explicitly tell you the quality of the seventh chord (like for vii°7).






            share|improve this answer

























            • In my experience the standard notation for a major seventh chord is maj7, as in IVmaj7.

              – phoog
              7 hours ago












            • @phoog You're right; my first sentence was worded strangely. Edit incoming!

              – Richard
              7 hours ago











            • This is the answer I would give. But just a sanity check for myself: isn't this particular "M" redundant for a I4/2 chord? Without the "M" the I will still be a major-seventh chord. By comparison jazz symbol require such symbols, because they don't refer to chord roots as scale degrees.

              – Michael Curtis
              7 hours ago







            • 1





              @MichaelCurtis It is redundant, assuming the chord is diatonic. But nevertheless some systems include these clarifications. It's really no different than clarifying "ø" for the vii7 chord in major.

              – Richard
              7 hours ago






            • 1





              Adding to your major sevenths symbols, there's 'little triangle' - can't find a font for it though!

              – Tim
              7 hours ago















            5














            In my experience, the most common usage is that this "M" signifies that this is a major seventh chord. (But note, as phoog states, that "maj" is the more common usage.)



            This is necessary because something like a V7 assumes a minor seventh above the chordal root. As such, we have to clarify that this chord will be a major seventh quality.



            Regarding diatonic seventh chords in a major key, this M will only be necessary above the I and IV chords. All other seventh chords either:



            1. assume the minor seventh above the root (ii7, iii7, V7, vi7),


            2. or explicitly tell you the quality of the seventh chord (like for vii°7).






            share|improve this answer

























            • In my experience the standard notation for a major seventh chord is maj7, as in IVmaj7.

              – phoog
              7 hours ago












            • @phoog You're right; my first sentence was worded strangely. Edit incoming!

              – Richard
              7 hours ago











            • This is the answer I would give. But just a sanity check for myself: isn't this particular "M" redundant for a I4/2 chord? Without the "M" the I will still be a major-seventh chord. By comparison jazz symbol require such symbols, because they don't refer to chord roots as scale degrees.

              – Michael Curtis
              7 hours ago







            • 1





              @MichaelCurtis It is redundant, assuming the chord is diatonic. But nevertheless some systems include these clarifications. It's really no different than clarifying "ø" for the vii7 chord in major.

              – Richard
              7 hours ago






            • 1





              Adding to your major sevenths symbols, there's 'little triangle' - can't find a font for it though!

              – Tim
              7 hours ago













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            In my experience, the most common usage is that this "M" signifies that this is a major seventh chord. (But note, as phoog states, that "maj" is the more common usage.)



            This is necessary because something like a V7 assumes a minor seventh above the chordal root. As such, we have to clarify that this chord will be a major seventh quality.



            Regarding diatonic seventh chords in a major key, this M will only be necessary above the I and IV chords. All other seventh chords either:



            1. assume the minor seventh above the root (ii7, iii7, V7, vi7),


            2. or explicitly tell you the quality of the seventh chord (like for vii°7).






            share|improve this answer















            In my experience, the most common usage is that this "M" signifies that this is a major seventh chord. (But note, as phoog states, that "maj" is the more common usage.)



            This is necessary because something like a V7 assumes a minor seventh above the chordal root. As such, we have to clarify that this chord will be a major seventh quality.



            Regarding diatonic seventh chords in a major key, this M will only be necessary above the I and IV chords. All other seventh chords either:



            1. assume the minor seventh above the root (ii7, iii7, V7, vi7),


            2. or explicitly tell you the quality of the seventh chord (like for vii°7).







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            • In my experience the standard notation for a major seventh chord is maj7, as in IVmaj7.

              – phoog
              7 hours ago












            • @phoog You're right; my first sentence was worded strangely. Edit incoming!

              – Richard
              7 hours ago











            • This is the answer I would give. But just a sanity check for myself: isn't this particular "M" redundant for a I4/2 chord? Without the "M" the I will still be a major-seventh chord. By comparison jazz symbol require such symbols, because they don't refer to chord roots as scale degrees.

              – Michael Curtis
              7 hours ago







            • 1





              @MichaelCurtis It is redundant, assuming the chord is diatonic. But nevertheless some systems include these clarifications. It's really no different than clarifying "ø" for the vii7 chord in major.

              – Richard
              7 hours ago






            • 1





              Adding to your major sevenths symbols, there's 'little triangle' - can't find a font for it though!

              – Tim
              7 hours ago

















            • In my experience the standard notation for a major seventh chord is maj7, as in IVmaj7.

              – phoog
              7 hours ago












            • @phoog You're right; my first sentence was worded strangely. Edit incoming!

              – Richard
              7 hours ago











            • This is the answer I would give. But just a sanity check for myself: isn't this particular "M" redundant for a I4/2 chord? Without the "M" the I will still be a major-seventh chord. By comparison jazz symbol require such symbols, because they don't refer to chord roots as scale degrees.

              – Michael Curtis
              7 hours ago







            • 1





              @MichaelCurtis It is redundant, assuming the chord is diatonic. But nevertheless some systems include these clarifications. It's really no different than clarifying "ø" for the vii7 chord in major.

              – Richard
              7 hours ago






            • 1





              Adding to your major sevenths symbols, there's 'little triangle' - can't find a font for it though!

              – Tim
              7 hours ago
















            In my experience the standard notation for a major seventh chord is maj7, as in IVmaj7.

            – phoog
            7 hours ago






            In my experience the standard notation for a major seventh chord is maj7, as in IVmaj7.

            – phoog
            7 hours ago














            @phoog You're right; my first sentence was worded strangely. Edit incoming!

            – Richard
            7 hours ago





            @phoog You're right; my first sentence was worded strangely. Edit incoming!

            – Richard
            7 hours ago













            This is the answer I would give. But just a sanity check for myself: isn't this particular "M" redundant for a I4/2 chord? Without the "M" the I will still be a major-seventh chord. By comparison jazz symbol require such symbols, because they don't refer to chord roots as scale degrees.

            – Michael Curtis
            7 hours ago






            This is the answer I would give. But just a sanity check for myself: isn't this particular "M" redundant for a I4/2 chord? Without the "M" the I will still be a major-seventh chord. By comparison jazz symbol require such symbols, because they don't refer to chord roots as scale degrees.

            – Michael Curtis
            7 hours ago





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            @MichaelCurtis It is redundant, assuming the chord is diatonic. But nevertheless some systems include these clarifications. It's really no different than clarifying "ø" for the vii7 chord in major.

            – Richard
            7 hours ago





            @MichaelCurtis It is redundant, assuming the chord is diatonic. But nevertheless some systems include these clarifications. It's really no different than clarifying "ø" for the vii7 chord in major.

            – Richard
            7 hours ago




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            Adding to your major sevenths symbols, there's 'little triangle' - can't find a font for it though!

            – Tim
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            Adding to your major sevenths symbols, there's 'little triangle' - can't find a font for it though!

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