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Can a caster that cast Polymorph on themselves stop concentrating at any point even if their Int is low?
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowHow worldly is a polymorphic elf?How can I reliably turn a formulaic Eye range spell into a Touch spell?Damaging transmuted stateWhat is the meaning of 'permanent' in description of True Polymorph?How do multiple castings of True Polymorph interact?Can a Druid cast the spell Polymorph on themselves?Are the rules in the DMG for calculating encounter difficulty inaccurate?Can someone who has been Feebleminded have their Int and Cha scores changed via Polymorph?When exactly can a caster stop concentrating on a spell?Is a low Constitution frontline EK/War Wizard viable or is the low HP a deal-breaker at higher levels? Would the Tough feat constitute a solution?
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself, changing me into a T-Rex, which caused my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a T-Rex can do, so I wanted to stop concentrating.
I made the check to determine that my current form could not affect the creatures, but when I stated that I would stop concentrating, the DM said that, as a T-Rex, my Int was too low for me to realize that I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as T-Rex until the HP depleted or the spell ended.
Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself, changing me into a T-Rex, which caused my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a T-Rex can do, so I wanted to stop concentrating.
I made the check to determine that my current form could not affect the creatures, but when I stated that I would stop concentrating, the DM said that, as a T-Rex, my Int was too low for me to realize that I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as T-Rex until the HP depleted or the spell ended.
Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?
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We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
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@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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– Carl Bozeman
11 hours ago
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@CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself, changing me into a T-Rex, which caused my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a T-Rex can do, so I wanted to stop concentrating.
I made the check to determine that my current form could not affect the creatures, but when I stated that I would stop concentrating, the DM said that, as a T-Rex, my Int was too low for me to realize that I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as T-Rex until the HP depleted or the spell ended.
Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?
dnd-5e spells polymorph concentration
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself, changing me into a T-Rex, which caused my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a T-Rex can do, so I wanted to stop concentrating.
I made the check to determine that my current form could not affect the creatures, but when I stated that I would stop concentrating, the DM said that, as a T-Rex, my Int was too low for me to realize that I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as T-Rex until the HP depleted or the spell ended.
Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?
dnd-5e spells polymorph concentration
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– Sdjz
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We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
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– David Coffron
11 hours ago
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@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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– Mołot
11 hours ago
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Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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– Carl Bozeman
11 hours ago
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@CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
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Thank you for clarifying the system! You can check out the tour as an introduction to the site and the help center for further guidance. Good luck and happy gaming!
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– Sdjz
11 hours ago
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We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
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– David Coffron
11 hours ago
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@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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– Mołot
11 hours ago
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Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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– Carl Bozeman
11 hours ago
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@CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
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– Mołot
10 hours ago
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Thank you for clarifying the system! You can check out the tour as an introduction to the site and the help center for further guidance. Good luck and happy gaming!
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– Sdjz
11 hours ago
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Thank you for clarifying the system! You can check out the tour as an introduction to the site and the help center for further guidance. Good luck and happy gaming!
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– Sdjz
11 hours ago
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We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
11 hours ago
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We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
11 hours ago
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@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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– Mołot
11 hours ago
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@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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– Mołot
11 hours ago
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Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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– Carl Bozeman
11 hours ago
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Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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– Carl Bozeman
11 hours ago
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@CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
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– Mołot
10 hours ago
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@CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
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There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
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RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.
Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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No rule prevents you from ending concentration
The PHB states:
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
There simply isn't a rule which says that you cannot end concentration because your intelligence (or any other Ability for that matter) is too low.
Choosing to end concentration is metagaming
Metagaming is handled differently at different tables, but it's generally reasonable for a DM to request that you play a character as though that character were lacking a piece of information.
Even though you know that ending concentration is the best course of action, a T-Rex would not understand the same. Consider the thought process required in that situation:
- I am not dealing damage,
- because my attacks are non-magical,
- because I used magic on myself and
- I can stop that magic if I end concentration.
It's entirely reasonable to assume that a beast with 2 intelligence is incapable of understanding magic and would be unable to think past point 1.
Case in point, here is a dog struggling with the ramifications (pun intended) of a big stick. This dog does not immediatelly understand that simply turning its head is enough to move past the fence, even though it's hilariously obvious to us:
A mastiff (3 int, 12 wis, 7 cha) has similar mental scores to a T-Rex (2 int, 12 wis, 9 cha) and I think we can all agree that magic is more complicated than a big stick.
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There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
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add a comment |
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There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
$endgroup$
There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.
Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):
INT
3 (-4)
[...]
Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).
[...]
At will: levitate
If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.
Your DM may be using a houserule.
It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.
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RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.
Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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That's what I was thinking
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RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.
Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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That's what I was thinking
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– Carl Bozeman
10 hours ago
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$begingroup$
RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.
Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against
According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:
[The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.
Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.
The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.
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That's what I was thinking
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No rule prevents you from ending concentration
The PHB states:
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
There simply isn't a rule which says that you cannot end concentration because your intelligence (or any other Ability for that matter) is too low.
Choosing to end concentration is metagaming
Metagaming is handled differently at different tables, but it's generally reasonable for a DM to request that you play a character as though that character were lacking a piece of information.
Even though you know that ending concentration is the best course of action, a T-Rex would not understand the same. Consider the thought process required in that situation:
- I am not dealing damage,
- because my attacks are non-magical,
- because I used magic on myself and
- I can stop that magic if I end concentration.
It's entirely reasonable to assume that a beast with 2 intelligence is incapable of understanding magic and would be unable to think past point 1.
Case in point, here is a dog struggling with the ramifications (pun intended) of a big stick. This dog does not immediatelly understand that simply turning its head is enough to move past the fence, even though it's hilariously obvious to us:
A mastiff (3 int, 12 wis, 7 cha) has similar mental scores to a T-Rex (2 int, 12 wis, 9 cha) and I think we can all agree that magic is more complicated than a big stick.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
No rule prevents you from ending concentration
The PHB states:
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
There simply isn't a rule which says that you cannot end concentration because your intelligence (or any other Ability for that matter) is too low.
Choosing to end concentration is metagaming
Metagaming is handled differently at different tables, but it's generally reasonable for a DM to request that you play a character as though that character were lacking a piece of information.
Even though you know that ending concentration is the best course of action, a T-Rex would not understand the same. Consider the thought process required in that situation:
- I am not dealing damage,
- because my attacks are non-magical,
- because I used magic on myself and
- I can stop that magic if I end concentration.
It's entirely reasonable to assume that a beast with 2 intelligence is incapable of understanding magic and would be unable to think past point 1.
Case in point, here is a dog struggling with the ramifications (pun intended) of a big stick. This dog does not immediatelly understand that simply turning its head is enough to move past the fence, even though it's hilariously obvious to us:
A mastiff (3 int, 12 wis, 7 cha) has similar mental scores to a T-Rex (2 int, 12 wis, 9 cha) and I think we can all agree that magic is more complicated than a big stick.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
No rule prevents you from ending concentration
The PHB states:
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
There simply isn't a rule which says that you cannot end concentration because your intelligence (or any other Ability for that matter) is too low.
Choosing to end concentration is metagaming
Metagaming is handled differently at different tables, but it's generally reasonable for a DM to request that you play a character as though that character were lacking a piece of information.
Even though you know that ending concentration is the best course of action, a T-Rex would not understand the same. Consider the thought process required in that situation:
- I am not dealing damage,
- because my attacks are non-magical,
- because I used magic on myself and
- I can stop that magic if I end concentration.
It's entirely reasonable to assume that a beast with 2 intelligence is incapable of understanding magic and would be unable to think past point 1.
Case in point, here is a dog struggling with the ramifications (pun intended) of a big stick. This dog does not immediatelly understand that simply turning its head is enough to move past the fence, even though it's hilariously obvious to us:
A mastiff (3 int, 12 wis, 7 cha) has similar mental scores to a T-Rex (2 int, 12 wis, 9 cha) and I think we can all agree that magic is more complicated than a big stick.
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No rule prevents you from ending concentration
The PHB states:
You can end concentration at any time (no action required).
There simply isn't a rule which says that you cannot end concentration because your intelligence (or any other Ability for that matter) is too low.
Choosing to end concentration is metagaming
Metagaming is handled differently at different tables, but it's generally reasonable for a DM to request that you play a character as though that character were lacking a piece of information.
Even though you know that ending concentration is the best course of action, a T-Rex would not understand the same. Consider the thought process required in that situation:
- I am not dealing damage,
- because my attacks are non-magical,
- because I used magic on myself and
- I can stop that magic if I end concentration.
It's entirely reasonable to assume that a beast with 2 intelligence is incapable of understanding magic and would be unable to think past point 1.
Case in point, here is a dog struggling with the ramifications (pun intended) of a big stick. This dog does not immediatelly understand that simply turning its head is enough to move past the fence, even though it's hilariously obvious to us:
A mastiff (3 int, 12 wis, 7 cha) has similar mental scores to a T-Rex (2 int, 12 wis, 9 cha) and I think we can all agree that magic is more complicated than a big stick.
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– Sdjz
11 hours ago
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We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
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– David Coffron
11 hours ago
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@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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– Mołot
11 hours ago
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Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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– Carl Bozeman
11 hours ago
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@CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
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– Mołot
10 hours ago