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There are a variety of integrated circuits that specify that their input voltage can span a fairly wide (absolute maximum) range, e.g. -0.3V to 6.0V (ref, pdf page 4), and then have a "Input Voltage at any pin" constrain that depends on the input voltage, e.g. -0.3V to VDD + 0.3V.



That, in effect, makes the chip not be I/O tolerant to voltages that exceed the input voltage by more than 0.3V but are within the absolute maximum specs of what the input voltage allow, and forces me to apply some kind of external level shifting circuit to those inputs.



So what is the practical reason for this kind of limitation in the specifications for integrated circuit I/O pins?










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    if the input protection diodes are standard PN junctions, and have "large areas" with many contacts into anode and into cathode regions, then I suggest you plan on: 10mA at 0.7v, 1mA at 0.64v, 0.1mA at 0.58v, 0.01mA at 0.52v, 0.001ma (1uA) at 0.46v, 0.1uA at 0.40v, 0.001uA at 0.34 volt. Is ONE NANO_AMP low enough, to not cause errors? note; these numbers can easily be off by 10:1 in current
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There are a variety of integrated circuits that specify that their input voltage can span a fairly wide (absolute maximum) range, e.g. -0.3V to 6.0V (ref, pdf page 4), and then have a "Input Voltage at any pin" constrain that depends on the input voltage, e.g. -0.3V to VDD + 0.3V.



That, in effect, makes the chip not be I/O tolerant to voltages that exceed the input voltage by more than 0.3V but are within the absolute maximum specs of what the input voltage allow, and forces me to apply some kind of external level shifting circuit to those inputs.



So what is the practical reason for this kind of limitation in the specifications for integrated circuit I/O pins?










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    if the input protection diodes are standard PN junctions, and have "large areas" with many contacts into anode and into cathode regions, then I suggest you plan on: 10mA at 0.7v, 1mA at 0.64v, 0.1mA at 0.58v, 0.01mA at 0.52v, 0.001ma (1uA) at 0.46v, 0.1uA at 0.40v, 0.001uA at 0.34 volt. Is ONE NANO_AMP low enough, to not cause errors? note; these numbers can easily be off by 10:1 in current
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  • $begingroup$
    The "Absolute Maximum" ratings are just that - you don't want to operate the part near those ratings. There is usually a note below the "Absolute Maximum" ratings table that says something like "Operation at or beyond these ratings may damage the part". Beginners often fail to read that note.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Bennett
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There are a variety of integrated circuits that specify that their input voltage can span a fairly wide (absolute maximum) range, e.g. -0.3V to 6.0V (ref, pdf page 4), and then have a "Input Voltage at any pin" constrain that depends on the input voltage, e.g. -0.3V to VDD + 0.3V.



That, in effect, makes the chip not be I/O tolerant to voltages that exceed the input voltage by more than 0.3V but are within the absolute maximum specs of what the input voltage allow, and forces me to apply some kind of external level shifting circuit to those inputs.



So what is the practical reason for this kind of limitation in the specifications for integrated circuit I/O pins?










share|improve this question









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There are a variety of integrated circuits that specify that their input voltage can span a fairly wide (absolute maximum) range, e.g. -0.3V to 6.0V (ref, pdf page 4), and then have a "Input Voltage at any pin" constrain that depends on the input voltage, e.g. -0.3V to VDD + 0.3V.



That, in effect, makes the chip not be I/O tolerant to voltages that exceed the input voltage by more than 0.3V but are within the absolute maximum specs of what the input voltage allow, and forces me to apply some kind of external level shifting circuit to those inputs.



So what is the practical reason for this kind of limitation in the specifications for integrated circuit I/O pins?







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    if the input protection diodes are standard PN junctions, and have "large areas" with many contacts into anode and into cathode regions, then I suggest you plan on: 10mA at 0.7v, 1mA at 0.64v, 0.1mA at 0.58v, 0.01mA at 0.52v, 0.001ma (1uA) at 0.46v, 0.1uA at 0.40v, 0.001uA at 0.34 volt. Is ONE NANO_AMP low enough, to not cause errors? note; these numbers can easily be off by 10:1 in current
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    The "Absolute Maximum" ratings are just that - you don't want to operate the part near those ratings. There is usually a note below the "Absolute Maximum" ratings table that says something like "Operation at or beyond these ratings may damage the part". Beginners often fail to read that note.
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Bennett
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    if the input protection diodes are standard PN junctions, and have "large areas" with many contacts into anode and into cathode regions, then I suggest you plan on: 10mA at 0.7v, 1mA at 0.64v, 0.1mA at 0.58v, 0.01mA at 0.52v, 0.001ma (1uA) at 0.46v, 0.1uA at 0.40v, 0.001uA at 0.34 volt. Is ONE NANO_AMP low enough, to not cause errors? note; these numbers can easily be off by 10:1 in current
    $endgroup$
    – analogsystemsrf
    9 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    The "Absolute Maximum" ratings are just that - you don't want to operate the part near those ratings. There is usually a note below the "Absolute Maximum" ratings table that says something like "Operation at or beyond these ratings may damage the part". Beginners often fail to read that note.
    $endgroup$
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if the input protection diodes are standard PN junctions, and have "large areas" with many contacts into anode and into cathode regions, then I suggest you plan on: 10mA at 0.7v, 1mA at 0.64v, 0.1mA at 0.58v, 0.01mA at 0.52v, 0.001ma (1uA) at 0.46v, 0.1uA at 0.40v, 0.001uA at 0.34 volt. Is ONE NANO_AMP low enough, to not cause errors? note; these numbers can easily be off by 10:1 in current
$endgroup$
– analogsystemsrf
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if the input protection diodes are standard PN junctions, and have "large areas" with many contacts into anode and into cathode regions, then I suggest you plan on: 10mA at 0.7v, 1mA at 0.64v, 0.1mA at 0.58v, 0.01mA at 0.52v, 0.001ma (1uA) at 0.46v, 0.1uA at 0.40v, 0.001uA at 0.34 volt. Is ONE NANO_AMP low enough, to not cause errors? note; these numbers can easily be off by 10:1 in current
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– analogsystemsrf
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The "Absolute Maximum" ratings are just that - you don't want to operate the part near those ratings. There is usually a note below the "Absolute Maximum" ratings table that says something like "Operation at or beyond these ratings may damage the part". Beginners often fail to read that note.
$endgroup$
– Peter Bennett
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$begingroup$
The "Absolute Maximum" ratings are just that - you don't want to operate the part near those ratings. There is usually a note below the "Absolute Maximum" ratings table that says something like "Operation at or beyond these ratings may damage the part". Beginners often fail to read that note.
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Most likely there is an ESD protection diode connected between the input pin and the VDD net on the chip, in such a way that it is normally reverse biased (A schematic showing the configuration is given in Peter Smith's answer). The idea is that when there is a positive ESD event, current will flow into the lower-impedance VDD net where it will do less damage than if it's all dumped on the one poor CMOS gate that's attached to the input pin.



Because the limit is VDD + 0.3 V it's likely in your device the diode is a Schottky type instead of a PN junction. With a PN junction, you'll usually see a limit of VDD + 0.6 V or so.



If you were to apply an input voltage above VDD (by more than 0.3 or 0.4 V) to this device, you'd forward bias this diode, and draw a high current from your source. This might damage your source or, if the source can supply enough current, heat up the chip to the point of damage.



If you use a resistor to limit the current into the input pin under these conditions, you might find the circuit works fine. Or, particularly if the chip is a very low power one, you might find the whole chip (and maybe other things connected to the same VDD) are powered up through the input pin, which often leads to unintended behavior.






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    I think this is probably the best answer, and I appreciate that it recommends it offers the possibility that current limiting resistors might mitigate the ESD protection diodes failing in a sustained condition. It would benefit from a representative schematic, similar to what @PeterSmith provided.
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This is due to the input protection diodes.



A typical input looks like this (CMOS inverter shown):





schematic





simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



The diodes in newer parts are schottky devices. These diodes are for short, low energy transient events and cannot handle much current (a few mA generally).






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    The 0.3V drop comes from the Schottky clamping diodes used to protect the pins of the chip. These diodes typically connect between each pin and the two power rails. If they are forward biased by more than 0.3V, arbitrarily large currents can flow.



    The diodes are designed to absorb transient currents produced by ESD, which represent limited amounts of energy that they can handle, protecting the sensitive MOSFET gates from overvoltage. But if you drive them with a low-impedance source, you'll quickly dump more energy into them than they can handle.






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      "Arbitrarily large currents" sound like the might be pretty detrimental to the chip. In that case how can those be said to be offering protection? Only in a very limited band of 0.3V around the range GND to VDD? Also your answer might be improved, for less experienced readers, by including a little representative schematic of what the pin logically might look like at the perimeter of the chip.
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    Most likely there is an ESD protection diode connected between the input pin and the VDD net on the chip, in such a way that it is normally reverse biased (A schematic showing the configuration is given in Peter Smith's answer). The idea is that when there is a positive ESD event, current will flow into the lower-impedance VDD net where it will do less damage than if it's all dumped on the one poor CMOS gate that's attached to the input pin.



    Because the limit is VDD + 0.3 V it's likely in your device the diode is a Schottky type instead of a PN junction. With a PN junction, you'll usually see a limit of VDD + 0.6 V or so.



    If you were to apply an input voltage above VDD (by more than 0.3 or 0.4 V) to this device, you'd forward bias this diode, and draw a high current from your source. This might damage your source or, if the source can supply enough current, heat up the chip to the point of damage.



    If you use a resistor to limit the current into the input pin under these conditions, you might find the circuit works fine. Or, particularly if the chip is a very low power one, you might find the whole chip (and maybe other things connected to the same VDD) are powered up through the input pin, which often leads to unintended behavior.






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      I think this is probably the best answer, and I appreciate that it recommends it offers the possibility that current limiting resistors might mitigate the ESD protection diodes failing in a sustained condition. It would benefit from a representative schematic, similar to what @PeterSmith provided.
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      @vicatcu, I have edited to address your concern.
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    Most likely there is an ESD protection diode connected between the input pin and the VDD net on the chip, in such a way that it is normally reverse biased (A schematic showing the configuration is given in Peter Smith's answer). The idea is that when there is a positive ESD event, current will flow into the lower-impedance VDD net where it will do less damage than if it's all dumped on the one poor CMOS gate that's attached to the input pin.



    Because the limit is VDD + 0.3 V it's likely in your device the diode is a Schottky type instead of a PN junction. With a PN junction, you'll usually see a limit of VDD + 0.6 V or so.



    If you were to apply an input voltage above VDD (by more than 0.3 or 0.4 V) to this device, you'd forward bias this diode, and draw a high current from your source. This might damage your source or, if the source can supply enough current, heat up the chip to the point of damage.



    If you use a resistor to limit the current into the input pin under these conditions, you might find the circuit works fine. Or, particularly if the chip is a very low power one, you might find the whole chip (and maybe other things connected to the same VDD) are powered up through the input pin, which often leads to unintended behavior.






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      I think this is probably the best answer, and I appreciate that it recommends it offers the possibility that current limiting resistors might mitigate the ESD protection diodes failing in a sustained condition. It would benefit from a representative schematic, similar to what @PeterSmith provided.
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      @vicatcu, I have edited to address your concern.
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    Most likely there is an ESD protection diode connected between the input pin and the VDD net on the chip, in such a way that it is normally reverse biased (A schematic showing the configuration is given in Peter Smith's answer). The idea is that when there is a positive ESD event, current will flow into the lower-impedance VDD net where it will do less damage than if it's all dumped on the one poor CMOS gate that's attached to the input pin.



    Because the limit is VDD + 0.3 V it's likely in your device the diode is a Schottky type instead of a PN junction. With a PN junction, you'll usually see a limit of VDD + 0.6 V or so.



    If you were to apply an input voltage above VDD (by more than 0.3 or 0.4 V) to this device, you'd forward bias this diode, and draw a high current from your source. This might damage your source or, if the source can supply enough current, heat up the chip to the point of damage.



    If you use a resistor to limit the current into the input pin under these conditions, you might find the circuit works fine. Or, particularly if the chip is a very low power one, you might find the whole chip (and maybe other things connected to the same VDD) are powered up through the input pin, which often leads to unintended behavior.






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    Most likely there is an ESD protection diode connected between the input pin and the VDD net on the chip, in such a way that it is normally reverse biased (A schematic showing the configuration is given in Peter Smith's answer). The idea is that when there is a positive ESD event, current will flow into the lower-impedance VDD net where it will do less damage than if it's all dumped on the one poor CMOS gate that's attached to the input pin.



    Because the limit is VDD + 0.3 V it's likely in your device the diode is a Schottky type instead of a PN junction. With a PN junction, you'll usually see a limit of VDD + 0.6 V or so.



    If you were to apply an input voltage above VDD (by more than 0.3 or 0.4 V) to this device, you'd forward bias this diode, and draw a high current from your source. This might damage your source or, if the source can supply enough current, heat up the chip to the point of damage.



    If you use a resistor to limit the current into the input pin under these conditions, you might find the circuit works fine. Or, particularly if the chip is a very low power one, you might find the whole chip (and maybe other things connected to the same VDD) are powered up through the input pin, which often leads to unintended behavior.







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      I think this is probably the best answer, and I appreciate that it recommends it offers the possibility that current limiting resistors might mitigate the ESD protection diodes failing in a sustained condition. It would benefit from a representative schematic, similar to what @PeterSmith provided.
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      @vicatcu, I have edited to address your concern.
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    • $begingroup$
      I think this is probably the best answer, and I appreciate that it recommends it offers the possibility that current limiting resistors might mitigate the ESD protection diodes failing in a sustained condition. It would benefit from a representative schematic, similar to what @PeterSmith provided.
      $endgroup$
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      @vicatcu, I have edited to address your concern.
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    I think this is probably the best answer, and I appreciate that it recommends it offers the possibility that current limiting resistors might mitigate the ESD protection diodes failing in a sustained condition. It would benefit from a representative schematic, similar to what @PeterSmith provided.
    $endgroup$
    – vicatcu
    9 hours ago




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    I think this is probably the best answer, and I appreciate that it recommends it offers the possibility that current limiting resistors might mitigate the ESD protection diodes failing in a sustained condition. It would benefit from a representative schematic, similar to what @PeterSmith provided.
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    @vicatcu, I have edited to address your concern.
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    @vicatcu, I have edited to address your concern.
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    This is due to the input protection diodes.



    A typical input looks like this (CMOS inverter shown):





    schematic





    simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



    The diodes in newer parts are schottky devices. These diodes are for short, low energy transient events and cannot handle much current (a few mA generally).






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      This is due to the input protection diodes.



      A typical input looks like this (CMOS inverter shown):





      schematic





      simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



      The diodes in newer parts are schottky devices. These diodes are for short, low energy transient events and cannot handle much current (a few mA generally).






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        This is due to the input protection diodes.



        A typical input looks like this (CMOS inverter shown):





        schematic





        simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



        The diodes in newer parts are schottky devices. These diodes are for short, low energy transient events and cannot handle much current (a few mA generally).






        share|improve this answer









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        This is due to the input protection diodes.



        A typical input looks like this (CMOS inverter shown):





        schematic





        simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab



        The diodes in newer parts are schottky devices. These diodes are for short, low energy transient events and cannot handle much current (a few mA generally).







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            The 0.3V drop comes from the Schottky clamping diodes used to protect the pins of the chip. These diodes typically connect between each pin and the two power rails. If they are forward biased by more than 0.3V, arbitrarily large currents can flow.



            The diodes are designed to absorb transient currents produced by ESD, which represent limited amounts of energy that they can handle, protecting the sensitive MOSFET gates from overvoltage. But if you drive them with a low-impedance source, you'll quickly dump more energy into them than they can handle.






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              "Arbitrarily large currents" sound like the might be pretty detrimental to the chip. In that case how can those be said to be offering protection? Only in a very limited band of 0.3V around the range GND to VDD? Also your answer might be improved, for less experienced readers, by including a little representative schematic of what the pin logically might look like at the perimeter of the chip.
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            The 0.3V drop comes from the Schottky clamping diodes used to protect the pins of the chip. These diodes typically connect between each pin and the two power rails. If they are forward biased by more than 0.3V, arbitrarily large currents can flow.



            The diodes are designed to absorb transient currents produced by ESD, which represent limited amounts of energy that they can handle, protecting the sensitive MOSFET gates from overvoltage. But if you drive them with a low-impedance source, you'll quickly dump more energy into them than they can handle.






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              "Arbitrarily large currents" sound like the might be pretty detrimental to the chip. In that case how can those be said to be offering protection? Only in a very limited band of 0.3V around the range GND to VDD? Also your answer might be improved, for less experienced readers, by including a little representative schematic of what the pin logically might look like at the perimeter of the chip.
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            The 0.3V drop comes from the Schottky clamping diodes used to protect the pins of the chip. These diodes typically connect between each pin and the two power rails. If they are forward biased by more than 0.3V, arbitrarily large currents can flow.



            The diodes are designed to absorb transient currents produced by ESD, which represent limited amounts of energy that they can handle, protecting the sensitive MOSFET gates from overvoltage. But if you drive them with a low-impedance source, you'll quickly dump more energy into them than they can handle.






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            The 0.3V drop comes from the Schottky clamping diodes used to protect the pins of the chip. These diodes typically connect between each pin and the two power rails. If they are forward biased by more than 0.3V, arbitrarily large currents can flow.



            The diodes are designed to absorb transient currents produced by ESD, which represent limited amounts of energy that they can handle, protecting the sensitive MOSFET gates from overvoltage. But if you drive them with a low-impedance source, you'll quickly dump more energy into them than they can handle.







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              "Arbitrarily large currents" sound like the might be pretty detrimental to the chip. In that case how can those be said to be offering protection? Only in a very limited band of 0.3V around the range GND to VDD? Also your answer might be improved, for less experienced readers, by including a little representative schematic of what the pin logically might look like at the perimeter of the chip.
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              "Arbitrarily large currents" sound like the might be pretty detrimental to the chip. In that case how can those be said to be offering protection? Only in a very limited band of 0.3V around the range GND to VDD? Also your answer might be improved, for less experienced readers, by including a little representative schematic of what the pin logically might look like at the perimeter of the chip.
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            $begingroup$
            "Arbitrarily large currents" sound like the might be pretty detrimental to the chip. In that case how can those be said to be offering protection? Only in a very limited band of 0.3V around the range GND to VDD? Also your answer might be improved, for less experienced readers, by including a little representative schematic of what the pin logically might look like at the perimeter of the chip.
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            "Arbitrarily large currents" sound like the might be pretty detrimental to the chip. In that case how can those be said to be offering protection? Only in a very limited band of 0.3V around the range GND to VDD? Also your answer might be improved, for less experienced readers, by including a little representative schematic of what the pin logically might look like at the perimeter of the chip.
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