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My 2.5-year-old daughter has an ear infection. She has been really healthy her entire life, and this is the first time she's gotten sick enough she needs to take any medicine in a strict schedule. However, ever since she first got sick, she refuses to take the medicine in any form or medium we offer it to her. We have tried mixing it up with water, all types of juices, candy-flavored pills, etc., and she is onto us. Now, whenever we approach her with anything she thinks is medicine, she starts to cover her mouth.
She had a high fever, so we took her to the emergency ward, and the nurse kinda forced her to take the medicine, and we have been doing the same since because we don't want her fever to get too high.
The problem is she is this tiny 2.5-year-old kid and I am close to 200 lbs, and I don't like using strength or force to do things. I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one. Are there ways to make this any less traumatic for my girl? I am really sad every time I give her medicine and she starts screaming "all done! all done!" or similar phrases. This is breaking my heart, and I am afraid it will cause future issues with my daughter. Any advice is appreciated.
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My 2.5-year-old daughter has an ear infection. She has been really healthy her entire life, and this is the first time she's gotten sick enough she needs to take any medicine in a strict schedule. However, ever since she first got sick, she refuses to take the medicine in any form or medium we offer it to her. We have tried mixing it up with water, all types of juices, candy-flavored pills, etc., and she is onto us. Now, whenever we approach her with anything she thinks is medicine, she starts to cover her mouth.
She had a high fever, so we took her to the emergency ward, and the nurse kinda forced her to take the medicine, and we have been doing the same since because we don't want her fever to get too high.
The problem is she is this tiny 2.5-year-old kid and I am close to 200 lbs, and I don't like using strength or force to do things. I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one. Are there ways to make this any less traumatic for my girl? I am really sad every time I give her medicine and she starts screaming "all done! all done!" or similar phrases. This is breaking my heart, and I am afraid it will cause future issues with my daughter. Any advice is appreciated.
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In my area suppositories are common for toddlers, because they do not understand the importance of medicine and you can give it to them when they are asleep too. In such a case like OP describes, suppositories are much more spare the nerves of all involved.
– Allerleirauh
yesterday
Where I am from suppositories are also very popular among toddlers for the same reasons. I am not sure why they are not as popular in the US. Thanks for your advice.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
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Don't be alarmed. You can check the edit history to see why - the person who edited changed the title to make it more descriptive and search-machine friendly. She probably didn't take in the whole context and used the first word that came to mind, without realizing it made an important difference. But all is well, you fixed it, and now due to two people cooperating on the title, we have a much better title than the original one. BTW, you can ask such questions on meta, because they're questions about the workings of the site.
– Pascal
22 mins ago
Couldn't you let your child choose from two alternatives: the medicine vs a pip of chocolate/peanut butter (which includes the medicine)? Works everytime for me in cases like this or similar cases like broccoli vs cauliflower. People like choices.
– Quora Feans
10 mins ago
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My 2.5-year-old daughter has an ear infection. She has been really healthy her entire life, and this is the first time she's gotten sick enough she needs to take any medicine in a strict schedule. However, ever since she first got sick, she refuses to take the medicine in any form or medium we offer it to her. We have tried mixing it up with water, all types of juices, candy-flavored pills, etc., and she is onto us. Now, whenever we approach her with anything she thinks is medicine, she starts to cover her mouth.
She had a high fever, so we took her to the emergency ward, and the nurse kinda forced her to take the medicine, and we have been doing the same since because we don't want her fever to get too high.
The problem is she is this tiny 2.5-year-old kid and I am close to 200 lbs, and I don't like using strength or force to do things. I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one. Are there ways to make this any less traumatic for my girl? I am really sad every time I give her medicine and she starts screaming "all done! all done!" or similar phrases. This is breaking my heart, and I am afraid it will cause future issues with my daughter. Any advice is appreciated.
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My 2.5-year-old daughter has an ear infection. She has been really healthy her entire life, and this is the first time she's gotten sick enough she needs to take any medicine in a strict schedule. However, ever since she first got sick, she refuses to take the medicine in any form or medium we offer it to her. We have tried mixing it up with water, all types of juices, candy-flavored pills, etc., and she is onto us. Now, whenever we approach her with anything she thinks is medicine, she starts to cover her mouth.
She had a high fever, so we took her to the emergency ward, and the nurse kinda forced her to take the medicine, and we have been doing the same since because we don't want her fever to get too high.
The problem is she is this tiny 2.5-year-old kid and I am close to 200 lbs, and I don't like using strength or force to do things. I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one. Are there ways to make this any less traumatic for my girl? I am really sad every time I give her medicine and she starts screaming "all done! all done!" or similar phrases. This is breaking my heart, and I am afraid it will cause future issues with my daughter. Any advice is appreciated.
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In my area suppositories are common for toddlers, because they do not understand the importance of medicine and you can give it to them when they are asleep too. In such a case like OP describes, suppositories are much more spare the nerves of all involved.
– Allerleirauh
yesterday
Where I am from suppositories are also very popular among toddlers for the same reasons. I am not sure why they are not as popular in the US. Thanks for your advice.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
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Don't be alarmed. You can check the edit history to see why - the person who edited changed the title to make it more descriptive and search-machine friendly. She probably didn't take in the whole context and used the first word that came to mind, without realizing it made an important difference. But all is well, you fixed it, and now due to two people cooperating on the title, we have a much better title than the original one. BTW, you can ask such questions on meta, because they're questions about the workings of the site.
– Pascal
22 mins ago
Couldn't you let your child choose from two alternatives: the medicine vs a pip of chocolate/peanut butter (which includes the medicine)? Works everytime for me in cases like this or similar cases like broccoli vs cauliflower. People like choices.
– Quora Feans
10 mins ago
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In my area suppositories are common for toddlers, because they do not understand the importance of medicine and you can give it to them when they are asleep too. In such a case like OP describes, suppositories are much more spare the nerves of all involved.
– Allerleirauh
yesterday
Where I am from suppositories are also very popular among toddlers for the same reasons. I am not sure why they are not as popular in the US. Thanks for your advice.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
1
Don't be alarmed. You can check the edit history to see why - the person who edited changed the title to make it more descriptive and search-machine friendly. She probably didn't take in the whole context and used the first word that came to mind, without realizing it made an important difference. But all is well, you fixed it, and now due to two people cooperating on the title, we have a much better title than the original one. BTW, you can ask such questions on meta, because they're questions about the workings of the site.
– Pascal
22 mins ago
Couldn't you let your child choose from two alternatives: the medicine vs a pip of chocolate/peanut butter (which includes the medicine)? Works everytime for me in cases like this or similar cases like broccoli vs cauliflower. People like choices.
– Quora Feans
10 mins ago
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In my area suppositories are common for toddlers, because they do not understand the importance of medicine and you can give it to them when they are asleep too. In such a case like OP describes, suppositories are much more spare the nerves of all involved.
– Allerleirauh
yesterday
In my area suppositories are common for toddlers, because they do not understand the importance of medicine and you can give it to them when they are asleep too. In such a case like OP describes, suppositories are much more spare the nerves of all involved.
– Allerleirauh
yesterday
Where I am from suppositories are also very popular among toddlers for the same reasons. I am not sure why they are not as popular in the US. Thanks for your advice.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
Where I am from suppositories are also very popular among toddlers for the same reasons. I am not sure why they are not as popular in the US. Thanks for your advice.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
1
1
Don't be alarmed. You can check the edit history to see why - the person who edited changed the title to make it more descriptive and search-machine friendly. She probably didn't take in the whole context and used the first word that came to mind, without realizing it made an important difference. But all is well, you fixed it, and now due to two people cooperating on the title, we have a much better title than the original one. BTW, you can ask such questions on meta, because they're questions about the workings of the site.
– Pascal
22 mins ago
Don't be alarmed. You can check the edit history to see why - the person who edited changed the title to make it more descriptive and search-machine friendly. She probably didn't take in the whole context and used the first word that came to mind, without realizing it made an important difference. But all is well, you fixed it, and now due to two people cooperating on the title, we have a much better title than the original one. BTW, you can ask such questions on meta, because they're questions about the workings of the site.
– Pascal
22 mins ago
Couldn't you let your child choose from two alternatives: the medicine vs a pip of chocolate/peanut butter (which includes the medicine)? Works everytime for me in cases like this or similar cases like broccoli vs cauliflower. People like choices.
– Quora Feans
10 mins ago
Couldn't you let your child choose from two alternatives: the medicine vs a pip of chocolate/peanut butter (which includes the medicine)? Works everytime for me in cases like this or similar cases like broccoli vs cauliflower. People like choices.
– Quora Feans
10 mins ago
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I don't like using strength or force to do things, and I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one
This dislike of using force speaks for you. However, in this case, it might be the only thing that is guaranteed to be sucessfull in getting her to take her medicine, and it's in her interest, even if she doesn't understand it. This is what parents are for. Sometimes acting in a child's best interest means acting against what they want; this can be emotionally draining, but it's necessary. Don't be too afraid of causing trauma. You're not abusing her, you're not being mean, and you have to trust that your relationship with your daughter is built on a solid, loving foundation that will survive these times of conflict.
That said, maybe there are some things you can try so that in the future you won't have to resort to force any more. I think the most important thing in that respect is to be consistent so she knows exactly what she can expect.
First, don't argue or discuss with her when it's time to take her medicine. She needs to take it. There is no way around that, and you should make that clear to her. Arguing with her, discussing it with her, trying to reason with her etc will give her the impression that taking the medicine is negotiable. Provide her with just two options: Either she takes the medicine willingly, or you'll force her to take it. When she doesn't take it willingly, follow through immediately. There really aren't any other options, and it's better to have a horrible 30 seconds than dragging it out to a horrible ten minutes.
Once she's taken / been forced to take the medicine, soothe her. It goes without saying that if she's taken it without being forced, you praise her (@Pere suggests to praise her in any case, to reinforce the positive aspect of taking the medicine - I haven't tried this myself, though).
Second, find out whether there is something you can do to make the taking of the medicine less difficult for her. Talk to her about it when it is not time to take it. Giving her as much control as possible might help. For example, maybe you can give her control about the time when to take it. (Before a meal? After a meal?) Suggest some things you think might make it easier, like offering that she holds the spoon with the medicine herself, that she takes it in multiple small doses (if that's possible and allowed) or, if she's like me, in one big gulp so it's over quickly, or that she gets to eat a banana right after swallowing it, or that you tell her a story right afterwards (but again, make it very clear that there is no way around taking the medicine - that's a given). It's possible, though, that giving her some control over the process won't work because she simply doesn't care about any of that.
Third (because this is beyond your control), maybe there is a product with an identical active ingredient that tastes different. It's worth a shot to check.
To summarize: Offer her some control over the means and context, but remain firm and unshakable about your requirement that she takes the medicine. Kids are very good at learning patterns. Once she understands there really isn't a way around the horrible medicine, she might be more open to the question of how she takes it.
I hope you won't have to resort to force for much longer.
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@Hanlet: you say you've tried mixing the medicine with juices and candy flavored pills, so I'm not that surprised she'll suspect treats are medicine. I expect being upfront that you're giving her medicine but you hope this new one won't taste as bad is a different thing entirely, if you can get the idea across.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
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@Pascal - As a user who happens to be a physician, I just love this answer! Rewards for doing the unpleasant are fine.
– anongoodnurse♦
yesterday
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I had the exact same situation with my 2 year old daughter when she got a tonsillectomy. She was in great pain at the hospital and the nurse was unable to get her to take the painkiller. She spat out three doses and cried and cried. I took the spoon, pushed it in until she gagged just a bit. Swallow and done. She was asleep in fifteen minutes. When she woke up she was fine. Children that young just can't be "reasoned" with when they make up their minds, offering a reward wouldn't have helped. With a five year old, yes, but not at two.
– Francine DeGrood Taylor
yesterday
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I tried a few things from your post, as well as a few other suggestions in here, but this is what has worked best so far. She is also feeling better overall, so she is not crying so much anymore when I try to give her her medicine. Thank you all of the great help. This is something that nobody prepares you for.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
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+1 - I only would add, after "if she's taken it without being forced, you praise her", that if she's taken it being forced, praise her anyway for taking it willingly. It's a bit ironic but makes it clear what is right and focuses in the important and positive part (taking the medicine) instead of the unimportant part that should be forgotten and hoppefully avoided next time (the fight).
– Pere
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Let her moan, cry, and delay the inevitable, showing respect for her feelings, but set a timer for these activities. When the timer goes off, it's time to take the medicine.
Refusing medicine necessary to get better is not an option, just like playing in traffic is not an option. But respecting her feelings about it is an option.
The following is a very valuable experience I had as a resident on a Pediatric cancer ward. Twice a day, a 5 year old patient had to have an intramuscular injection of a chemotherapeutic agent. It wasn't an option; she had to have it. On my shift, I would walk in and it would begin: the pleading, the mourning, the objection, the cries. It would take about 20 minutes of (very valuable) time to let her come to the point of letting me give her the injection.
One day, I walked in and she was fast asleep. I thought, "Oh, I can just give it to her without all the anguish; It will be over as she wakes up."
So, while she slept, I prepped her thigh and gave her the injection. Once I did, she woke up. "All done!" I said.
The little girl never spoke to me again. She died a few months later, never uttering another word to me, a person who had profoundly betrayed her. Almost four decades later, I still remember the look on her face.
So, respect her feelings and give her time to grieve, but set a limit after which she will have to take the medicine. I like the suggestions in @Pascal's answer. A story afterwards, a small reward, something precious to her (stickers of her favorite character? a small bowl of ice cream? Whatever rocks her world.)
But do not feel guilty at making her take her medicine. It's your job.
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I would argue that a resident on a paediatric cancer ward has better reasons not to spend the 20 minutes twice a day on a single child than a parent ever has. It's wonderful that you did anyway, and my interpretation of that story is that to her, you became not just a physician, but a trusted person, and that's why she felt betrayed. A parent should always work on being seen as a trusted person, not a physician. I agree that making her take her medicine is a parent's job, but it's not their only job. I say do the job, but it's ok to feel guilty if doing it conflicts with other aspects of it.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
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I like the timer idea. I wish I'd tried that (not with taking medicine, which was seldom a problem, but with a few other things that were non-negotiable). It gets the point across very clearly that the end result is clear from the beginning, and doesn't lead the child into thinking that he/she can argue/cry his/her way out of it, but it gives the child a chance to voice displeasure, which my solution lacks.
– Pascal
yesterday
Timers work great for many things, something about a loud, identifiable sound just works. We use it for going to bed, for leaving the park, pretty much anything that meets opposition. When the timer sounds, it's time, no more negotiation.
– GreySage
19 hours ago
I am horrified. It was futile.
– Joshua
14 hours ago
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@Joshua - Ah. It was not futile in that, in her last months of life, there were people who let her express her fears. We didn't expect her to die; we expected to discharge her. But other things happen, like infections. Many cancer patients die of infections.
– anongoodnurse♦
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I had similar with 2 sons... and yes I am 110kg...
Around 5 &3 they had to have injections at the docs. Oldest refused, hating needles while youngest sat and was so easy - they were in the room together... The youngest, after the first one in the left arm, turned and offered the right arm for the next injection... The nurse laughed with him and said "it's only one today"...
Doctor, nurses & Mum all tried for the oldest and I ended up hugging him so they could do it. He was ok with me after ...
He still hates needles ( now 18) but can just about keep himself composed so they can do it. If he didn’t you would not succeed - he is nearly same size as me and strong as an ox... shooting him with a dart gun might be an option... hmm wonder what the doc would say... :)
Persevere, and give a treat after - ice cream or chocolate bun at the cafe etc But it’s always a tough moment as a parent...
Wasn't long after that I had to take the oldest to hospital for a fractured upper arm. He was scared of the x-ray machine (big, never seen one etc) So he agreed to sit on my lap (we both got lead aprons...) Notably, this was not a challenge - he easily agreed to my "company" for the x-ray, so things do change...
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Parent: "It's time to take your medicine."
Kid: "Charlie should not take medicine."
Parent: "No it's time to take medicine. First we'll take the medicine, then we can go do < fun activity>."
Kid: "Charlie should not."
Parent: "You can take your medicine, or you can go to time out."
Kid: "No medicine, no time out."
Parent: "Okay, time-out it is. Wait for 2 minutes in the corner."
Kid: Screaming
This is the script I usually follow with my 2.5 year old. Usually the "first difficult thing then fun thing" method works. After 2 minutes of boredom he's always been compliant, but I imagine I would send him back for another 2 minutes until he was ready to play ball.
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To me, this just reiterates what OP says he is not content with, albeit replacing physical display of power with a psychological one. Here are some of the things that are problematic with timeouts. I think nothing is gained by switching to this technique. I can't say that as a kid, this would make me feel less violated than had I been physically held down, I'm actually leaning towards the other way around.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
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@lazarusL: Timeout teach that in exactly the way that physically holding a child down does, in this example, and I think "my way or I administer a punishment" is not really teaching kids anything more than that their will doesn't matter. As an aside, I think that psychological isolation seems like a crueler punishment than just forcing the medicine, but that's not my main point here. I understand that enforcing your will against the childs is sometimes the only outcome, but it is the undesirable outcome that OP wants to find tools to avoid. This script seems to just accept it and move on.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
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I, too, sometimes have to exercise my authority as a parent against the will of my children, but I do this knowing that it is a violation of my child's autonomy, which I hold sacred, and in doing so, I go to extreme lengths to validate the child's desires, and reason and explain. Never indicating that there's room for discussion, but the take home message must be that I have heard the child and am making these decisions after taking her will into acount, not just having it my way because my will is of greater value, which is how I believe that script will come across to a child.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
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@DavidHedlund I see. We just have a slightly different philosophical outlook. We both agree that autonomy is good and try to preserve it, but you elevate it to a sacred level above all else. I can respect that position without agreeing with it.
– lazarusL
yesterday
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@DavidHedlund: "..but the take home message must be that I have heard the child....": This is easy to resolve, simply state it clearly: "You have to take this medication. I know you don't want to, I know you hate it. I'd probably hate it too if I were you. Even so, you still have to take it so your ear can get better. I'm sorry, but that's the only way."
– Pascal
yesterday
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and I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one.
Sometimes force is needed to save someone's life or prevent brain damage. Those are the gray areas of life. A high enough fever for long enough can lead to brain damage.
Have you tried mixing the meds in apple sauce? My mom would crush tablets and mix it in applesauce, but it was still bitter and I needed a big glass of water with it too.
Or do the suppository approach. But not all meds will come as a suppository. You may need to get this custom made, and in the US it will likely not be covered by insurance.
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When my daughter was four years old she refused to take her antibiotics. As it happened, I also had to take antibiotics, so we would take our pills together. It has never been so easy to give a child her medication as it was that time.
I think part of why it worked that time was not just shared pain, but also because it became a game for us, to take the pills together. Maybe there is a way for you to get your daughter to cooperate by creating a game around taking the medicin?
Fun solution! Might I add that m&m's make excellent placebos!
– anongoodnurse♦
1 hour ago
Another approach to try - +1 for the idea, though I think this will work better when the kids are a bit older and they like to compete and win against you (like your daughter at 4) - I envision a "who can swallow the horrible pill faster?"-game. I can just imagine my boys at that age wanting to win more than not wanting to swallow the pill.
– Pascal
1 hour ago
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I think your aversion to the use of force is warranted. To any extent possible, I think you shouldn't. Explaining away use of force with convincing yourself you're doing what's in the child's best interest, to me, is a slippery slope towards abuse. Because brushing teeth, finishing one's meal and dressing appropriately for the weather outside are all things that are arguably in your child's best interest, that your child will more or less frequently challenge you on. To an even greater extent, I believe, the lower her perceived autonomy in these matters. So I'm advocating a different mindset. I think you should hold yourself to a higher standard.
Having said that, I expect that you're still determined that the medicine should eventually be taken no matter what, and that's still okay. If all else fails and you resort to force, I'll be the first to say it's okay to sometimes fail as a parent - as long as you recognise it as a failure. I think it is deeply problematic to say that violence is acceptable because medicine is important.
Given the wager Pascal presents in their answer, I'd take the ten horrible minutes over immediately resorting to failure every day. I don't think forcing her to take her medicine will be something she resents you for, looking back, but I do think that the lengths you go in order to respect her autonomy will be a strong foundation for a loving and trusting relationship.
You can be clear from the outset that not taking the medicine is not an option, but I think that violence should be at least equally disagreeable. From there, reason, plead, bribe or compromise to the best of your ability. Be patient. She may end up realising that it's not worth the hassle, since the outcome is always the same. If she doesn't, all the time and effort it has taken is time and effort you've invested in not resorting to violence. That's a great win. If it also meant that you could avoid violence at least once, even better.
Thank you for your advice David. I will try my best along with my spouse to have force be the last resort.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
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I don't think Hanlet is in danger of going down a slippery slope to abuse. He's stating he hates resorting to force. Also, there is a difference between "using force" and "violence". Violence means using physical force with the intention to hurt or damage. This is NOT what I'm advocating or what Hanlet or the nurse was doing.
– Pascal
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Also, you suggest to reason, plead, bribe and compromise (even if there is nothing to compromise about? - she needs to take the medicine...). I think that if you do this, it will take much, much longer for her to realize that the outcome is always the same, and therefore you'll need to resort to force for much longer (this is assuming that ten minutes of pleading, reasoning and bribing aren't successful - it that actually works to get her to swallow the medicine, then yes, I'd prefer that, too, but from what Hanlet wrote, it didn't sound like it worked).
– Pascal
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She will not remember this her whole life. For a few months, maybe. In a 2.5 year old child's mind, equality is not even on her radar.
– anongoodnurse♦
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@anongoodnurse: I'm not overly concerned about memory. Raising small children is about building relationships that will affect the next interaction and the next until you reach an age where she does make memories. Also, treating small children well is an end in itself. I equally don't think you should go ahead and treat dementia patients with force because they won't remember. That's not a meaningful distinction to me.
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I don't like using strength or force to do things, and I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one
This dislike of using force speaks for you. However, in this case, it might be the only thing that is guaranteed to be sucessfull in getting her to take her medicine, and it's in her interest, even if she doesn't understand it. This is what parents are for. Sometimes acting in a child's best interest means acting against what they want; this can be emotionally draining, but it's necessary. Don't be too afraid of causing trauma. You're not abusing her, you're not being mean, and you have to trust that your relationship with your daughter is built on a solid, loving foundation that will survive these times of conflict.
That said, maybe there are some things you can try so that in the future you won't have to resort to force any more. I think the most important thing in that respect is to be consistent so she knows exactly what she can expect.
First, don't argue or discuss with her when it's time to take her medicine. She needs to take it. There is no way around that, and you should make that clear to her. Arguing with her, discussing it with her, trying to reason with her etc will give her the impression that taking the medicine is negotiable. Provide her with just two options: Either she takes the medicine willingly, or you'll force her to take it. When she doesn't take it willingly, follow through immediately. There really aren't any other options, and it's better to have a horrible 30 seconds than dragging it out to a horrible ten minutes.
Once she's taken / been forced to take the medicine, soothe her. It goes without saying that if she's taken it without being forced, you praise her (@Pere suggests to praise her in any case, to reinforce the positive aspect of taking the medicine - I haven't tried this myself, though).
Second, find out whether there is something you can do to make the taking of the medicine less difficult for her. Talk to her about it when it is not time to take it. Giving her as much control as possible might help. For example, maybe you can give her control about the time when to take it. (Before a meal? After a meal?) Suggest some things you think might make it easier, like offering that she holds the spoon with the medicine herself, that she takes it in multiple small doses (if that's possible and allowed) or, if she's like me, in one big gulp so it's over quickly, or that she gets to eat a banana right after swallowing it, or that you tell her a story right afterwards (but again, make it very clear that there is no way around taking the medicine - that's a given). It's possible, though, that giving her some control over the process won't work because she simply doesn't care about any of that.
Third (because this is beyond your control), maybe there is a product with an identical active ingredient that tastes different. It's worth a shot to check.
To summarize: Offer her some control over the means and context, but remain firm and unshakable about your requirement that she takes the medicine. Kids are very good at learning patterns. Once she understands there really isn't a way around the horrible medicine, she might be more open to the question of how she takes it.
I hope you won't have to resort to force for much longer.
7
@Hanlet: you say you've tried mixing the medicine with juices and candy flavored pills, so I'm not that surprised she'll suspect treats are medicine. I expect being upfront that you're giving her medicine but you hope this new one won't taste as bad is a different thing entirely, if you can get the idea across.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
8
@Pascal - As a user who happens to be a physician, I just love this answer! Rewards for doing the unpleasant are fine.
– anongoodnurse♦
yesterday
5
I had the exact same situation with my 2 year old daughter when she got a tonsillectomy. She was in great pain at the hospital and the nurse was unable to get her to take the painkiller. She spat out three doses and cried and cried. I took the spoon, pushed it in until she gagged just a bit. Swallow and done. She was asleep in fifteen minutes. When she woke up she was fine. Children that young just can't be "reasoned" with when they make up their minds, offering a reward wouldn't have helped. With a five year old, yes, but not at two.
– Francine DeGrood Taylor
yesterday
3
I tried a few things from your post, as well as a few other suggestions in here, but this is what has worked best so far. She is also feeling better overall, so she is not crying so much anymore when I try to give her her medicine. Thank you all of the great help. This is something that nobody prepares you for.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
4
+1 - I only would add, after "if she's taken it without being forced, you praise her", that if she's taken it being forced, praise her anyway for taking it willingly. It's a bit ironic but makes it clear what is right and focuses in the important and positive part (taking the medicine) instead of the unimportant part that should be forgotten and hoppefully avoided next time (the fight).
– Pere
23 hours ago
|
show 10 more comments
I don't like using strength or force to do things, and I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one
This dislike of using force speaks for you. However, in this case, it might be the only thing that is guaranteed to be sucessfull in getting her to take her medicine, and it's in her interest, even if she doesn't understand it. This is what parents are for. Sometimes acting in a child's best interest means acting against what they want; this can be emotionally draining, but it's necessary. Don't be too afraid of causing trauma. You're not abusing her, you're not being mean, and you have to trust that your relationship with your daughter is built on a solid, loving foundation that will survive these times of conflict.
That said, maybe there are some things you can try so that in the future you won't have to resort to force any more. I think the most important thing in that respect is to be consistent so she knows exactly what she can expect.
First, don't argue or discuss with her when it's time to take her medicine. She needs to take it. There is no way around that, and you should make that clear to her. Arguing with her, discussing it with her, trying to reason with her etc will give her the impression that taking the medicine is negotiable. Provide her with just two options: Either she takes the medicine willingly, or you'll force her to take it. When she doesn't take it willingly, follow through immediately. There really aren't any other options, and it's better to have a horrible 30 seconds than dragging it out to a horrible ten minutes.
Once she's taken / been forced to take the medicine, soothe her. It goes without saying that if she's taken it without being forced, you praise her (@Pere suggests to praise her in any case, to reinforce the positive aspect of taking the medicine - I haven't tried this myself, though).
Second, find out whether there is something you can do to make the taking of the medicine less difficult for her. Talk to her about it when it is not time to take it. Giving her as much control as possible might help. For example, maybe you can give her control about the time when to take it. (Before a meal? After a meal?) Suggest some things you think might make it easier, like offering that she holds the spoon with the medicine herself, that she takes it in multiple small doses (if that's possible and allowed) or, if she's like me, in one big gulp so it's over quickly, or that she gets to eat a banana right after swallowing it, or that you tell her a story right afterwards (but again, make it very clear that there is no way around taking the medicine - that's a given). It's possible, though, that giving her some control over the process won't work because she simply doesn't care about any of that.
Third (because this is beyond your control), maybe there is a product with an identical active ingredient that tastes different. It's worth a shot to check.
To summarize: Offer her some control over the means and context, but remain firm and unshakable about your requirement that she takes the medicine. Kids are very good at learning patterns. Once she understands there really isn't a way around the horrible medicine, she might be more open to the question of how she takes it.
I hope you won't have to resort to force for much longer.
7
@Hanlet: you say you've tried mixing the medicine with juices and candy flavored pills, so I'm not that surprised she'll suspect treats are medicine. I expect being upfront that you're giving her medicine but you hope this new one won't taste as bad is a different thing entirely, if you can get the idea across.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
8
@Pascal - As a user who happens to be a physician, I just love this answer! Rewards for doing the unpleasant are fine.
– anongoodnurse♦
yesterday
5
I had the exact same situation with my 2 year old daughter when she got a tonsillectomy. She was in great pain at the hospital and the nurse was unable to get her to take the painkiller. She spat out three doses and cried and cried. I took the spoon, pushed it in until she gagged just a bit. Swallow and done. She was asleep in fifteen minutes. When she woke up she was fine. Children that young just can't be "reasoned" with when they make up their minds, offering a reward wouldn't have helped. With a five year old, yes, but not at two.
– Francine DeGrood Taylor
yesterday
3
I tried a few things from your post, as well as a few other suggestions in here, but this is what has worked best so far. She is also feeling better overall, so she is not crying so much anymore when I try to give her her medicine. Thank you all of the great help. This is something that nobody prepares you for.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
4
+1 - I only would add, after "if she's taken it without being forced, you praise her", that if she's taken it being forced, praise her anyway for taking it willingly. It's a bit ironic but makes it clear what is right and focuses in the important and positive part (taking the medicine) instead of the unimportant part that should be forgotten and hoppefully avoided next time (the fight).
– Pere
23 hours ago
|
show 10 more comments
I don't like using strength or force to do things, and I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one
This dislike of using force speaks for you. However, in this case, it might be the only thing that is guaranteed to be sucessfull in getting her to take her medicine, and it's in her interest, even if she doesn't understand it. This is what parents are for. Sometimes acting in a child's best interest means acting against what they want; this can be emotionally draining, but it's necessary. Don't be too afraid of causing trauma. You're not abusing her, you're not being mean, and you have to trust that your relationship with your daughter is built on a solid, loving foundation that will survive these times of conflict.
That said, maybe there are some things you can try so that in the future you won't have to resort to force any more. I think the most important thing in that respect is to be consistent so she knows exactly what she can expect.
First, don't argue or discuss with her when it's time to take her medicine. She needs to take it. There is no way around that, and you should make that clear to her. Arguing with her, discussing it with her, trying to reason with her etc will give her the impression that taking the medicine is negotiable. Provide her with just two options: Either she takes the medicine willingly, or you'll force her to take it. When she doesn't take it willingly, follow through immediately. There really aren't any other options, and it's better to have a horrible 30 seconds than dragging it out to a horrible ten minutes.
Once she's taken / been forced to take the medicine, soothe her. It goes without saying that if she's taken it without being forced, you praise her (@Pere suggests to praise her in any case, to reinforce the positive aspect of taking the medicine - I haven't tried this myself, though).
Second, find out whether there is something you can do to make the taking of the medicine less difficult for her. Talk to her about it when it is not time to take it. Giving her as much control as possible might help. For example, maybe you can give her control about the time when to take it. (Before a meal? After a meal?) Suggest some things you think might make it easier, like offering that she holds the spoon with the medicine herself, that she takes it in multiple small doses (if that's possible and allowed) or, if she's like me, in one big gulp so it's over quickly, or that she gets to eat a banana right after swallowing it, or that you tell her a story right afterwards (but again, make it very clear that there is no way around taking the medicine - that's a given). It's possible, though, that giving her some control over the process won't work because she simply doesn't care about any of that.
Third (because this is beyond your control), maybe there is a product with an identical active ingredient that tastes different. It's worth a shot to check.
To summarize: Offer her some control over the means and context, but remain firm and unshakable about your requirement that she takes the medicine. Kids are very good at learning patterns. Once she understands there really isn't a way around the horrible medicine, she might be more open to the question of how she takes it.
I hope you won't have to resort to force for much longer.
I don't like using strength or force to do things, and I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one
This dislike of using force speaks for you. However, in this case, it might be the only thing that is guaranteed to be sucessfull in getting her to take her medicine, and it's in her interest, even if she doesn't understand it. This is what parents are for. Sometimes acting in a child's best interest means acting against what they want; this can be emotionally draining, but it's necessary. Don't be too afraid of causing trauma. You're not abusing her, you're not being mean, and you have to trust that your relationship with your daughter is built on a solid, loving foundation that will survive these times of conflict.
That said, maybe there are some things you can try so that in the future you won't have to resort to force any more. I think the most important thing in that respect is to be consistent so she knows exactly what she can expect.
First, don't argue or discuss with her when it's time to take her medicine. She needs to take it. There is no way around that, and you should make that clear to her. Arguing with her, discussing it with her, trying to reason with her etc will give her the impression that taking the medicine is negotiable. Provide her with just two options: Either she takes the medicine willingly, or you'll force her to take it. When she doesn't take it willingly, follow through immediately. There really aren't any other options, and it's better to have a horrible 30 seconds than dragging it out to a horrible ten minutes.
Once she's taken / been forced to take the medicine, soothe her. It goes without saying that if she's taken it without being forced, you praise her (@Pere suggests to praise her in any case, to reinforce the positive aspect of taking the medicine - I haven't tried this myself, though).
Second, find out whether there is something you can do to make the taking of the medicine less difficult for her. Talk to her about it when it is not time to take it. Giving her as much control as possible might help. For example, maybe you can give her control about the time when to take it. (Before a meal? After a meal?) Suggest some things you think might make it easier, like offering that she holds the spoon with the medicine herself, that she takes it in multiple small doses (if that's possible and allowed) or, if she's like me, in one big gulp so it's over quickly, or that she gets to eat a banana right after swallowing it, or that you tell her a story right afterwards (but again, make it very clear that there is no way around taking the medicine - that's a given). It's possible, though, that giving her some control over the process won't work because she simply doesn't care about any of that.
Third (because this is beyond your control), maybe there is a product with an identical active ingredient that tastes different. It's worth a shot to check.
To summarize: Offer her some control over the means and context, but remain firm and unshakable about your requirement that she takes the medicine. Kids are very good at learning patterns. Once she understands there really isn't a way around the horrible medicine, she might be more open to the question of how she takes it.
I hope you won't have to resort to force for much longer.
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@Hanlet: you say you've tried mixing the medicine with juices and candy flavored pills, so I'm not that surprised she'll suspect treats are medicine. I expect being upfront that you're giving her medicine but you hope this new one won't taste as bad is a different thing entirely, if you can get the idea across.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
8
@Pascal - As a user who happens to be a physician, I just love this answer! Rewards for doing the unpleasant are fine.
– anongoodnurse♦
yesterday
5
I had the exact same situation with my 2 year old daughter when she got a tonsillectomy. She was in great pain at the hospital and the nurse was unable to get her to take the painkiller. She spat out three doses and cried and cried. I took the spoon, pushed it in until she gagged just a bit. Swallow and done. She was asleep in fifteen minutes. When she woke up she was fine. Children that young just can't be "reasoned" with when they make up their minds, offering a reward wouldn't have helped. With a five year old, yes, but not at two.
– Francine DeGrood Taylor
yesterday
3
I tried a few things from your post, as well as a few other suggestions in here, but this is what has worked best so far. She is also feeling better overall, so she is not crying so much anymore when I try to give her her medicine. Thank you all of the great help. This is something that nobody prepares you for.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
4
+1 - I only would add, after "if she's taken it without being forced, you praise her", that if she's taken it being forced, praise her anyway for taking it willingly. It's a bit ironic but makes it clear what is right and focuses in the important and positive part (taking the medicine) instead of the unimportant part that should be forgotten and hoppefully avoided next time (the fight).
– Pere
23 hours ago
|
show 10 more comments
7
@Hanlet: you say you've tried mixing the medicine with juices and candy flavored pills, so I'm not that surprised she'll suspect treats are medicine. I expect being upfront that you're giving her medicine but you hope this new one won't taste as bad is a different thing entirely, if you can get the idea across.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
8
@Pascal - As a user who happens to be a physician, I just love this answer! Rewards for doing the unpleasant are fine.
– anongoodnurse♦
yesterday
5
I had the exact same situation with my 2 year old daughter when she got a tonsillectomy. She was in great pain at the hospital and the nurse was unable to get her to take the painkiller. She spat out three doses and cried and cried. I took the spoon, pushed it in until she gagged just a bit. Swallow and done. She was asleep in fifteen minutes. When she woke up she was fine. Children that young just can't be "reasoned" with when they make up their minds, offering a reward wouldn't have helped. With a five year old, yes, but not at two.
– Francine DeGrood Taylor
yesterday
3
I tried a few things from your post, as well as a few other suggestions in here, but this is what has worked best so far. She is also feeling better overall, so she is not crying so much anymore when I try to give her her medicine. Thank you all of the great help. This is something that nobody prepares you for.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
4
+1 - I only would add, after "if she's taken it without being forced, you praise her", that if she's taken it being forced, praise her anyway for taking it willingly. It's a bit ironic but makes it clear what is right and focuses in the important and positive part (taking the medicine) instead of the unimportant part that should be forgotten and hoppefully avoided next time (the fight).
– Pere
23 hours ago
7
7
@Hanlet: you say you've tried mixing the medicine with juices and candy flavored pills, so I'm not that surprised she'll suspect treats are medicine. I expect being upfront that you're giving her medicine but you hope this new one won't taste as bad is a different thing entirely, if you can get the idea across.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
@Hanlet: you say you've tried mixing the medicine with juices and candy flavored pills, so I'm not that surprised she'll suspect treats are medicine. I expect being upfront that you're giving her medicine but you hope this new one won't taste as bad is a different thing entirely, if you can get the idea across.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
8
8
@Pascal - As a user who happens to be a physician, I just love this answer! Rewards for doing the unpleasant are fine.
– anongoodnurse♦
yesterday
@Pascal - As a user who happens to be a physician, I just love this answer! Rewards for doing the unpleasant are fine.
– anongoodnurse♦
yesterday
5
5
I had the exact same situation with my 2 year old daughter when she got a tonsillectomy. She was in great pain at the hospital and the nurse was unable to get her to take the painkiller. She spat out three doses and cried and cried. I took the spoon, pushed it in until she gagged just a bit. Swallow and done. She was asleep in fifteen minutes. When she woke up she was fine. Children that young just can't be "reasoned" with when they make up their minds, offering a reward wouldn't have helped. With a five year old, yes, but not at two.
– Francine DeGrood Taylor
yesterday
I had the exact same situation with my 2 year old daughter when she got a tonsillectomy. She was in great pain at the hospital and the nurse was unable to get her to take the painkiller. She spat out three doses and cried and cried. I took the spoon, pushed it in until she gagged just a bit. Swallow and done. She was asleep in fifteen minutes. When she woke up she was fine. Children that young just can't be "reasoned" with when they make up their minds, offering a reward wouldn't have helped. With a five year old, yes, but not at two.
– Francine DeGrood Taylor
yesterday
3
3
I tried a few things from your post, as well as a few other suggestions in here, but this is what has worked best so far. She is also feeling better overall, so she is not crying so much anymore when I try to give her her medicine. Thank you all of the great help. This is something that nobody prepares you for.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
I tried a few things from your post, as well as a few other suggestions in here, but this is what has worked best so far. She is also feeling better overall, so she is not crying so much anymore when I try to give her her medicine. Thank you all of the great help. This is something that nobody prepares you for.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
4
4
+1 - I only would add, after "if she's taken it without being forced, you praise her", that if she's taken it being forced, praise her anyway for taking it willingly. It's a bit ironic but makes it clear what is right and focuses in the important and positive part (taking the medicine) instead of the unimportant part that should be forgotten and hoppefully avoided next time (the fight).
– Pere
23 hours ago
+1 - I only would add, after "if she's taken it without being forced, you praise her", that if she's taken it being forced, praise her anyway for taking it willingly. It's a bit ironic but makes it clear what is right and focuses in the important and positive part (taking the medicine) instead of the unimportant part that should be forgotten and hoppefully avoided next time (the fight).
– Pere
23 hours ago
|
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Let her moan, cry, and delay the inevitable, showing respect for her feelings, but set a timer for these activities. When the timer goes off, it's time to take the medicine.
Refusing medicine necessary to get better is not an option, just like playing in traffic is not an option. But respecting her feelings about it is an option.
The following is a very valuable experience I had as a resident on a Pediatric cancer ward. Twice a day, a 5 year old patient had to have an intramuscular injection of a chemotherapeutic agent. It wasn't an option; she had to have it. On my shift, I would walk in and it would begin: the pleading, the mourning, the objection, the cries. It would take about 20 minutes of (very valuable) time to let her come to the point of letting me give her the injection.
One day, I walked in and she was fast asleep. I thought, "Oh, I can just give it to her without all the anguish; It will be over as she wakes up."
So, while she slept, I prepped her thigh and gave her the injection. Once I did, she woke up. "All done!" I said.
The little girl never spoke to me again. She died a few months later, never uttering another word to me, a person who had profoundly betrayed her. Almost four decades later, I still remember the look on her face.
So, respect her feelings and give her time to grieve, but set a limit after which she will have to take the medicine. I like the suggestions in @Pascal's answer. A story afterwards, a small reward, something precious to her (stickers of her favorite character? a small bowl of ice cream? Whatever rocks her world.)
But do not feel guilty at making her take her medicine. It's your job.
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I would argue that a resident on a paediatric cancer ward has better reasons not to spend the 20 minutes twice a day on a single child than a parent ever has. It's wonderful that you did anyway, and my interpretation of that story is that to her, you became not just a physician, but a trusted person, and that's why she felt betrayed. A parent should always work on being seen as a trusted person, not a physician. I agree that making her take her medicine is a parent's job, but it's not their only job. I say do the job, but it's ok to feel guilty if doing it conflicts with other aspects of it.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
6
I like the timer idea. I wish I'd tried that (not with taking medicine, which was seldom a problem, but with a few other things that were non-negotiable). It gets the point across very clearly that the end result is clear from the beginning, and doesn't lead the child into thinking that he/she can argue/cry his/her way out of it, but it gives the child a chance to voice displeasure, which my solution lacks.
– Pascal
yesterday
Timers work great for many things, something about a loud, identifiable sound just works. We use it for going to bed, for leaving the park, pretty much anything that meets opposition. When the timer sounds, it's time, no more negotiation.
– GreySage
19 hours ago
I am horrified. It was futile.
– Joshua
14 hours ago
1
@Joshua - Ah. It was not futile in that, in her last months of life, there were people who let her express her fears. We didn't expect her to die; we expected to discharge her. But other things happen, like infections. Many cancer patients die of infections.
– anongoodnurse♦
14 hours ago
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Let her moan, cry, and delay the inevitable, showing respect for her feelings, but set a timer for these activities. When the timer goes off, it's time to take the medicine.
Refusing medicine necessary to get better is not an option, just like playing in traffic is not an option. But respecting her feelings about it is an option.
The following is a very valuable experience I had as a resident on a Pediatric cancer ward. Twice a day, a 5 year old patient had to have an intramuscular injection of a chemotherapeutic agent. It wasn't an option; she had to have it. On my shift, I would walk in and it would begin: the pleading, the mourning, the objection, the cries. It would take about 20 minutes of (very valuable) time to let her come to the point of letting me give her the injection.
One day, I walked in and she was fast asleep. I thought, "Oh, I can just give it to her without all the anguish; It will be over as she wakes up."
So, while she slept, I prepped her thigh and gave her the injection. Once I did, she woke up. "All done!" I said.
The little girl never spoke to me again. She died a few months later, never uttering another word to me, a person who had profoundly betrayed her. Almost four decades later, I still remember the look on her face.
So, respect her feelings and give her time to grieve, but set a limit after which she will have to take the medicine. I like the suggestions in @Pascal's answer. A story afterwards, a small reward, something precious to her (stickers of her favorite character? a small bowl of ice cream? Whatever rocks her world.)
But do not feel guilty at making her take her medicine. It's your job.
6
I would argue that a resident on a paediatric cancer ward has better reasons not to spend the 20 minutes twice a day on a single child than a parent ever has. It's wonderful that you did anyway, and my interpretation of that story is that to her, you became not just a physician, but a trusted person, and that's why she felt betrayed. A parent should always work on being seen as a trusted person, not a physician. I agree that making her take her medicine is a parent's job, but it's not their only job. I say do the job, but it's ok to feel guilty if doing it conflicts with other aspects of it.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
6
I like the timer idea. I wish I'd tried that (not with taking medicine, which was seldom a problem, but with a few other things that were non-negotiable). It gets the point across very clearly that the end result is clear from the beginning, and doesn't lead the child into thinking that he/she can argue/cry his/her way out of it, but it gives the child a chance to voice displeasure, which my solution lacks.
– Pascal
yesterday
Timers work great for many things, something about a loud, identifiable sound just works. We use it for going to bed, for leaving the park, pretty much anything that meets opposition. When the timer sounds, it's time, no more negotiation.
– GreySage
19 hours ago
I am horrified. It was futile.
– Joshua
14 hours ago
1
@Joshua - Ah. It was not futile in that, in her last months of life, there were people who let her express her fears. We didn't expect her to die; we expected to discharge her. But other things happen, like infections. Many cancer patients die of infections.
– anongoodnurse♦
14 hours ago
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Let her moan, cry, and delay the inevitable, showing respect for her feelings, but set a timer for these activities. When the timer goes off, it's time to take the medicine.
Refusing medicine necessary to get better is not an option, just like playing in traffic is not an option. But respecting her feelings about it is an option.
The following is a very valuable experience I had as a resident on a Pediatric cancer ward. Twice a day, a 5 year old patient had to have an intramuscular injection of a chemotherapeutic agent. It wasn't an option; she had to have it. On my shift, I would walk in and it would begin: the pleading, the mourning, the objection, the cries. It would take about 20 minutes of (very valuable) time to let her come to the point of letting me give her the injection.
One day, I walked in and she was fast asleep. I thought, "Oh, I can just give it to her without all the anguish; It will be over as she wakes up."
So, while she slept, I prepped her thigh and gave her the injection. Once I did, she woke up. "All done!" I said.
The little girl never spoke to me again. She died a few months later, never uttering another word to me, a person who had profoundly betrayed her. Almost four decades later, I still remember the look on her face.
So, respect her feelings and give her time to grieve, but set a limit after which she will have to take the medicine. I like the suggestions in @Pascal's answer. A story afterwards, a small reward, something precious to her (stickers of her favorite character? a small bowl of ice cream? Whatever rocks her world.)
But do not feel guilty at making her take her medicine. It's your job.
Let her moan, cry, and delay the inevitable, showing respect for her feelings, but set a timer for these activities. When the timer goes off, it's time to take the medicine.
Refusing medicine necessary to get better is not an option, just like playing in traffic is not an option. But respecting her feelings about it is an option.
The following is a very valuable experience I had as a resident on a Pediatric cancer ward. Twice a day, a 5 year old patient had to have an intramuscular injection of a chemotherapeutic agent. It wasn't an option; she had to have it. On my shift, I would walk in and it would begin: the pleading, the mourning, the objection, the cries. It would take about 20 minutes of (very valuable) time to let her come to the point of letting me give her the injection.
One day, I walked in and she was fast asleep. I thought, "Oh, I can just give it to her without all the anguish; It will be over as she wakes up."
So, while she slept, I prepped her thigh and gave her the injection. Once I did, she woke up. "All done!" I said.
The little girl never spoke to me again. She died a few months later, never uttering another word to me, a person who had profoundly betrayed her. Almost four decades later, I still remember the look on her face.
So, respect her feelings and give her time to grieve, but set a limit after which she will have to take the medicine. I like the suggestions in @Pascal's answer. A story afterwards, a small reward, something precious to her (stickers of her favorite character? a small bowl of ice cream? Whatever rocks her world.)
But do not feel guilty at making her take her medicine. It's your job.
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I would argue that a resident on a paediatric cancer ward has better reasons not to spend the 20 minutes twice a day on a single child than a parent ever has. It's wonderful that you did anyway, and my interpretation of that story is that to her, you became not just a physician, but a trusted person, and that's why she felt betrayed. A parent should always work on being seen as a trusted person, not a physician. I agree that making her take her medicine is a parent's job, but it's not their only job. I say do the job, but it's ok to feel guilty if doing it conflicts with other aspects of it.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
6
I like the timer idea. I wish I'd tried that (not with taking medicine, which was seldom a problem, but with a few other things that were non-negotiable). It gets the point across very clearly that the end result is clear from the beginning, and doesn't lead the child into thinking that he/she can argue/cry his/her way out of it, but it gives the child a chance to voice displeasure, which my solution lacks.
– Pascal
yesterday
Timers work great for many things, something about a loud, identifiable sound just works. We use it for going to bed, for leaving the park, pretty much anything that meets opposition. When the timer sounds, it's time, no more negotiation.
– GreySage
19 hours ago
I am horrified. It was futile.
– Joshua
14 hours ago
1
@Joshua - Ah. It was not futile in that, in her last months of life, there were people who let her express her fears. We didn't expect her to die; we expected to discharge her. But other things happen, like infections. Many cancer patients die of infections.
– anongoodnurse♦
14 hours ago
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I would argue that a resident on a paediatric cancer ward has better reasons not to spend the 20 minutes twice a day on a single child than a parent ever has. It's wonderful that you did anyway, and my interpretation of that story is that to her, you became not just a physician, but a trusted person, and that's why she felt betrayed. A parent should always work on being seen as a trusted person, not a physician. I agree that making her take her medicine is a parent's job, but it's not their only job. I say do the job, but it's ok to feel guilty if doing it conflicts with other aspects of it.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
6
I like the timer idea. I wish I'd tried that (not with taking medicine, which was seldom a problem, but with a few other things that were non-negotiable). It gets the point across very clearly that the end result is clear from the beginning, and doesn't lead the child into thinking that he/she can argue/cry his/her way out of it, but it gives the child a chance to voice displeasure, which my solution lacks.
– Pascal
yesterday
Timers work great for many things, something about a loud, identifiable sound just works. We use it for going to bed, for leaving the park, pretty much anything that meets opposition. When the timer sounds, it's time, no more negotiation.
– GreySage
19 hours ago
I am horrified. It was futile.
– Joshua
14 hours ago
1
@Joshua - Ah. It was not futile in that, in her last months of life, there were people who let her express her fears. We didn't expect her to die; we expected to discharge her. But other things happen, like infections. Many cancer patients die of infections.
– anongoodnurse♦
14 hours ago
6
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I would argue that a resident on a paediatric cancer ward has better reasons not to spend the 20 minutes twice a day on a single child than a parent ever has. It's wonderful that you did anyway, and my interpretation of that story is that to her, you became not just a physician, but a trusted person, and that's why she felt betrayed. A parent should always work on being seen as a trusted person, not a physician. I agree that making her take her medicine is a parent's job, but it's not their only job. I say do the job, but it's ok to feel guilty if doing it conflicts with other aspects of it.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
I would argue that a resident on a paediatric cancer ward has better reasons not to spend the 20 minutes twice a day on a single child than a parent ever has. It's wonderful that you did anyway, and my interpretation of that story is that to her, you became not just a physician, but a trusted person, and that's why she felt betrayed. A parent should always work on being seen as a trusted person, not a physician. I agree that making her take her medicine is a parent's job, but it's not their only job. I say do the job, but it's ok to feel guilty if doing it conflicts with other aspects of it.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
6
6
I like the timer idea. I wish I'd tried that (not with taking medicine, which was seldom a problem, but with a few other things that were non-negotiable). It gets the point across very clearly that the end result is clear from the beginning, and doesn't lead the child into thinking that he/she can argue/cry his/her way out of it, but it gives the child a chance to voice displeasure, which my solution lacks.
– Pascal
yesterday
I like the timer idea. I wish I'd tried that (not with taking medicine, which was seldom a problem, but with a few other things that were non-negotiable). It gets the point across very clearly that the end result is clear from the beginning, and doesn't lead the child into thinking that he/she can argue/cry his/her way out of it, but it gives the child a chance to voice displeasure, which my solution lacks.
– Pascal
yesterday
Timers work great for many things, something about a loud, identifiable sound just works. We use it for going to bed, for leaving the park, pretty much anything that meets opposition. When the timer sounds, it's time, no more negotiation.
– GreySage
19 hours ago
Timers work great for many things, something about a loud, identifiable sound just works. We use it for going to bed, for leaving the park, pretty much anything that meets opposition. When the timer sounds, it's time, no more negotiation.
– GreySage
19 hours ago
I am horrified. It was futile.
– Joshua
14 hours ago
I am horrified. It was futile.
– Joshua
14 hours ago
1
1
@Joshua - Ah. It was not futile in that, in her last months of life, there were people who let her express her fears. We didn't expect her to die; we expected to discharge her. But other things happen, like infections. Many cancer patients die of infections.
– anongoodnurse♦
14 hours ago
@Joshua - Ah. It was not futile in that, in her last months of life, there were people who let her express her fears. We didn't expect her to die; we expected to discharge her. But other things happen, like infections. Many cancer patients die of infections.
– anongoodnurse♦
14 hours ago
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I had similar with 2 sons... and yes I am 110kg...
Around 5 &3 they had to have injections at the docs. Oldest refused, hating needles while youngest sat and was so easy - they were in the room together... The youngest, after the first one in the left arm, turned and offered the right arm for the next injection... The nurse laughed with him and said "it's only one today"...
Doctor, nurses & Mum all tried for the oldest and I ended up hugging him so they could do it. He was ok with me after ...
He still hates needles ( now 18) but can just about keep himself composed so they can do it. If he didn’t you would not succeed - he is nearly same size as me and strong as an ox... shooting him with a dart gun might be an option... hmm wonder what the doc would say... :)
Persevere, and give a treat after - ice cream or chocolate bun at the cafe etc But it’s always a tough moment as a parent...
Wasn't long after that I had to take the oldest to hospital for a fractured upper arm. He was scared of the x-ray machine (big, never seen one etc) So he agreed to sit on my lap (we both got lead aprons...) Notably, this was not a challenge - he easily agreed to my "company" for the x-ray, so things do change...
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I had similar with 2 sons... and yes I am 110kg...
Around 5 &3 they had to have injections at the docs. Oldest refused, hating needles while youngest sat and was so easy - they were in the room together... The youngest, after the first one in the left arm, turned and offered the right arm for the next injection... The nurse laughed with him and said "it's only one today"...
Doctor, nurses & Mum all tried for the oldest and I ended up hugging him so they could do it. He was ok with me after ...
He still hates needles ( now 18) but can just about keep himself composed so they can do it. If he didn’t you would not succeed - he is nearly same size as me and strong as an ox... shooting him with a dart gun might be an option... hmm wonder what the doc would say... :)
Persevere, and give a treat after - ice cream or chocolate bun at the cafe etc But it’s always a tough moment as a parent...
Wasn't long after that I had to take the oldest to hospital for a fractured upper arm. He was scared of the x-ray machine (big, never seen one etc) So he agreed to sit on my lap (we both got lead aprons...) Notably, this was not a challenge - he easily agreed to my "company" for the x-ray, so things do change...
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I had similar with 2 sons... and yes I am 110kg...
Around 5 &3 they had to have injections at the docs. Oldest refused, hating needles while youngest sat and was so easy - they were in the room together... The youngest, after the first one in the left arm, turned and offered the right arm for the next injection... The nurse laughed with him and said "it's only one today"...
Doctor, nurses & Mum all tried for the oldest and I ended up hugging him so they could do it. He was ok with me after ...
He still hates needles ( now 18) but can just about keep himself composed so they can do it. If he didn’t you would not succeed - he is nearly same size as me and strong as an ox... shooting him with a dart gun might be an option... hmm wonder what the doc would say... :)
Persevere, and give a treat after - ice cream or chocolate bun at the cafe etc But it’s always a tough moment as a parent...
Wasn't long after that I had to take the oldest to hospital for a fractured upper arm. He was scared of the x-ray machine (big, never seen one etc) So he agreed to sit on my lap (we both got lead aprons...) Notably, this was not a challenge - he easily agreed to my "company" for the x-ray, so things do change...
I had similar with 2 sons... and yes I am 110kg...
Around 5 &3 they had to have injections at the docs. Oldest refused, hating needles while youngest sat and was so easy - they were in the room together... The youngest, after the first one in the left arm, turned and offered the right arm for the next injection... The nurse laughed with him and said "it's only one today"...
Doctor, nurses & Mum all tried for the oldest and I ended up hugging him so they could do it. He was ok with me after ...
He still hates needles ( now 18) but can just about keep himself composed so they can do it. If he didn’t you would not succeed - he is nearly same size as me and strong as an ox... shooting him with a dart gun might be an option... hmm wonder what the doc would say... :)
Persevere, and give a treat after - ice cream or chocolate bun at the cafe etc But it’s always a tough moment as a parent...
Wasn't long after that I had to take the oldest to hospital for a fractured upper arm. He was scared of the x-ray machine (big, never seen one etc) So he agreed to sit on my lap (we both got lead aprons...) Notably, this was not a challenge - he easily agreed to my "company" for the x-ray, so things do change...
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Parent: "It's time to take your medicine."
Kid: "Charlie should not take medicine."
Parent: "No it's time to take medicine. First we'll take the medicine, then we can go do < fun activity>."
Kid: "Charlie should not."
Parent: "You can take your medicine, or you can go to time out."
Kid: "No medicine, no time out."
Parent: "Okay, time-out it is. Wait for 2 minutes in the corner."
Kid: Screaming
This is the script I usually follow with my 2.5 year old. Usually the "first difficult thing then fun thing" method works. After 2 minutes of boredom he's always been compliant, but I imagine I would send him back for another 2 minutes until he was ready to play ball.
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To me, this just reiterates what OP says he is not content with, albeit replacing physical display of power with a psychological one. Here are some of the things that are problematic with timeouts. I think nothing is gained by switching to this technique. I can't say that as a kid, this would make me feel less violated than had I been physically held down, I'm actually leaning towards the other way around.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
1
@lazarusL: Timeout teach that in exactly the way that physically holding a child down does, in this example, and I think "my way or I administer a punishment" is not really teaching kids anything more than that their will doesn't matter. As an aside, I think that psychological isolation seems like a crueler punishment than just forcing the medicine, but that's not my main point here. I understand that enforcing your will against the childs is sometimes the only outcome, but it is the undesirable outcome that OP wants to find tools to avoid. This script seems to just accept it and move on.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
1
I, too, sometimes have to exercise my authority as a parent against the will of my children, but I do this knowing that it is a violation of my child's autonomy, which I hold sacred, and in doing so, I go to extreme lengths to validate the child's desires, and reason and explain. Never indicating that there's room for discussion, but the take home message must be that I have heard the child and am making these decisions after taking her will into acount, not just having it my way because my will is of greater value, which is how I believe that script will come across to a child.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
2
@DavidHedlund I see. We just have a slightly different philosophical outlook. We both agree that autonomy is good and try to preserve it, but you elevate it to a sacred level above all else. I can respect that position without agreeing with it.
– lazarusL
yesterday
3
@DavidHedlund: "..but the take home message must be that I have heard the child....": This is easy to resolve, simply state it clearly: "You have to take this medication. I know you don't want to, I know you hate it. I'd probably hate it too if I were you. Even so, you still have to take it so your ear can get better. I'm sorry, but that's the only way."
– Pascal
yesterday
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Parent: "It's time to take your medicine."
Kid: "Charlie should not take medicine."
Parent: "No it's time to take medicine. First we'll take the medicine, then we can go do < fun activity>."
Kid: "Charlie should not."
Parent: "You can take your medicine, or you can go to time out."
Kid: "No medicine, no time out."
Parent: "Okay, time-out it is. Wait for 2 minutes in the corner."
Kid: Screaming
This is the script I usually follow with my 2.5 year old. Usually the "first difficult thing then fun thing" method works. After 2 minutes of boredom he's always been compliant, but I imagine I would send him back for another 2 minutes until he was ready to play ball.
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To me, this just reiterates what OP says he is not content with, albeit replacing physical display of power with a psychological one. Here are some of the things that are problematic with timeouts. I think nothing is gained by switching to this technique. I can't say that as a kid, this would make me feel less violated than had I been physically held down, I'm actually leaning towards the other way around.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
1
@lazarusL: Timeout teach that in exactly the way that physically holding a child down does, in this example, and I think "my way or I administer a punishment" is not really teaching kids anything more than that their will doesn't matter. As an aside, I think that psychological isolation seems like a crueler punishment than just forcing the medicine, but that's not my main point here. I understand that enforcing your will against the childs is sometimes the only outcome, but it is the undesirable outcome that OP wants to find tools to avoid. This script seems to just accept it and move on.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
1
I, too, sometimes have to exercise my authority as a parent against the will of my children, but I do this knowing that it is a violation of my child's autonomy, which I hold sacred, and in doing so, I go to extreme lengths to validate the child's desires, and reason and explain. Never indicating that there's room for discussion, but the take home message must be that I have heard the child and am making these decisions after taking her will into acount, not just having it my way because my will is of greater value, which is how I believe that script will come across to a child.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
2
@DavidHedlund I see. We just have a slightly different philosophical outlook. We both agree that autonomy is good and try to preserve it, but you elevate it to a sacred level above all else. I can respect that position without agreeing with it.
– lazarusL
yesterday
3
@DavidHedlund: "..but the take home message must be that I have heard the child....": This is easy to resolve, simply state it clearly: "You have to take this medication. I know you don't want to, I know you hate it. I'd probably hate it too if I were you. Even so, you still have to take it so your ear can get better. I'm sorry, but that's the only way."
– Pascal
yesterday
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Parent: "It's time to take your medicine."
Kid: "Charlie should not take medicine."
Parent: "No it's time to take medicine. First we'll take the medicine, then we can go do < fun activity>."
Kid: "Charlie should not."
Parent: "You can take your medicine, or you can go to time out."
Kid: "No medicine, no time out."
Parent: "Okay, time-out it is. Wait for 2 minutes in the corner."
Kid: Screaming
This is the script I usually follow with my 2.5 year old. Usually the "first difficult thing then fun thing" method works. After 2 minutes of boredom he's always been compliant, but I imagine I would send him back for another 2 minutes until he was ready to play ball.
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Parent: "It's time to take your medicine."
Kid: "Charlie should not take medicine."
Parent: "No it's time to take medicine. First we'll take the medicine, then we can go do < fun activity>."
Kid: "Charlie should not."
Parent: "You can take your medicine, or you can go to time out."
Kid: "No medicine, no time out."
Parent: "Okay, time-out it is. Wait for 2 minutes in the corner."
Kid: Screaming
This is the script I usually follow with my 2.5 year old. Usually the "first difficult thing then fun thing" method works. After 2 minutes of boredom he's always been compliant, but I imagine I would send him back for another 2 minutes until he was ready to play ball.
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To me, this just reiterates what OP says he is not content with, albeit replacing physical display of power with a psychological one. Here are some of the things that are problematic with timeouts. I think nothing is gained by switching to this technique. I can't say that as a kid, this would make me feel less violated than had I been physically held down, I'm actually leaning towards the other way around.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
1
@lazarusL: Timeout teach that in exactly the way that physically holding a child down does, in this example, and I think "my way or I administer a punishment" is not really teaching kids anything more than that their will doesn't matter. As an aside, I think that psychological isolation seems like a crueler punishment than just forcing the medicine, but that's not my main point here. I understand that enforcing your will against the childs is sometimes the only outcome, but it is the undesirable outcome that OP wants to find tools to avoid. This script seems to just accept it and move on.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
1
I, too, sometimes have to exercise my authority as a parent against the will of my children, but I do this knowing that it is a violation of my child's autonomy, which I hold sacred, and in doing so, I go to extreme lengths to validate the child's desires, and reason and explain. Never indicating that there's room for discussion, but the take home message must be that I have heard the child and am making these decisions after taking her will into acount, not just having it my way because my will is of greater value, which is how I believe that script will come across to a child.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
2
@DavidHedlund I see. We just have a slightly different philosophical outlook. We both agree that autonomy is good and try to preserve it, but you elevate it to a sacred level above all else. I can respect that position without agreeing with it.
– lazarusL
yesterday
3
@DavidHedlund: "..but the take home message must be that I have heard the child....": This is easy to resolve, simply state it clearly: "You have to take this medication. I know you don't want to, I know you hate it. I'd probably hate it too if I were you. Even so, you still have to take it so your ear can get better. I'm sorry, but that's the only way."
– Pascal
yesterday
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show 9 more comments
1
To me, this just reiterates what OP says he is not content with, albeit replacing physical display of power with a psychological one. Here are some of the things that are problematic with timeouts. I think nothing is gained by switching to this technique. I can't say that as a kid, this would make me feel less violated than had I been physically held down, I'm actually leaning towards the other way around.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
1
@lazarusL: Timeout teach that in exactly the way that physically holding a child down does, in this example, and I think "my way or I administer a punishment" is not really teaching kids anything more than that their will doesn't matter. As an aside, I think that psychological isolation seems like a crueler punishment than just forcing the medicine, but that's not my main point here. I understand that enforcing your will against the childs is sometimes the only outcome, but it is the undesirable outcome that OP wants to find tools to avoid. This script seems to just accept it and move on.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
1
I, too, sometimes have to exercise my authority as a parent against the will of my children, but I do this knowing that it is a violation of my child's autonomy, which I hold sacred, and in doing so, I go to extreme lengths to validate the child's desires, and reason and explain. Never indicating that there's room for discussion, but the take home message must be that I have heard the child and am making these decisions after taking her will into acount, not just having it my way because my will is of greater value, which is how I believe that script will come across to a child.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
2
@DavidHedlund I see. We just have a slightly different philosophical outlook. We both agree that autonomy is good and try to preserve it, but you elevate it to a sacred level above all else. I can respect that position without agreeing with it.
– lazarusL
yesterday
3
@DavidHedlund: "..but the take home message must be that I have heard the child....": This is easy to resolve, simply state it clearly: "You have to take this medication. I know you don't want to, I know you hate it. I'd probably hate it too if I were you. Even so, you still have to take it so your ear can get better. I'm sorry, but that's the only way."
– Pascal
yesterday
1
1
To me, this just reiterates what OP says he is not content with, albeit replacing physical display of power with a psychological one. Here are some of the things that are problematic with timeouts. I think nothing is gained by switching to this technique. I can't say that as a kid, this would make me feel less violated than had I been physically held down, I'm actually leaning towards the other way around.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
To me, this just reiterates what OP says he is not content with, albeit replacing physical display of power with a psychological one. Here are some of the things that are problematic with timeouts. I think nothing is gained by switching to this technique. I can't say that as a kid, this would make me feel less violated than had I been physically held down, I'm actually leaning towards the other way around.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
1
1
@lazarusL: Timeout teach that in exactly the way that physically holding a child down does, in this example, and I think "my way or I administer a punishment" is not really teaching kids anything more than that their will doesn't matter. As an aside, I think that psychological isolation seems like a crueler punishment than just forcing the medicine, but that's not my main point here. I understand that enforcing your will against the childs is sometimes the only outcome, but it is the undesirable outcome that OP wants to find tools to avoid. This script seems to just accept it and move on.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
@lazarusL: Timeout teach that in exactly the way that physically holding a child down does, in this example, and I think "my way or I administer a punishment" is not really teaching kids anything more than that their will doesn't matter. As an aside, I think that psychological isolation seems like a crueler punishment than just forcing the medicine, but that's not my main point here. I understand that enforcing your will against the childs is sometimes the only outcome, but it is the undesirable outcome that OP wants to find tools to avoid. This script seems to just accept it and move on.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
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I, too, sometimes have to exercise my authority as a parent against the will of my children, but I do this knowing that it is a violation of my child's autonomy, which I hold sacred, and in doing so, I go to extreme lengths to validate the child's desires, and reason and explain. Never indicating that there's room for discussion, but the take home message must be that I have heard the child and am making these decisions after taking her will into acount, not just having it my way because my will is of greater value, which is how I believe that script will come across to a child.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
I, too, sometimes have to exercise my authority as a parent against the will of my children, but I do this knowing that it is a violation of my child's autonomy, which I hold sacred, and in doing so, I go to extreme lengths to validate the child's desires, and reason and explain. Never indicating that there's room for discussion, but the take home message must be that I have heard the child and am making these decisions after taking her will into acount, not just having it my way because my will is of greater value, which is how I believe that script will come across to a child.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
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@DavidHedlund I see. We just have a slightly different philosophical outlook. We both agree that autonomy is good and try to preserve it, but you elevate it to a sacred level above all else. I can respect that position without agreeing with it.
– lazarusL
yesterday
@DavidHedlund I see. We just have a slightly different philosophical outlook. We both agree that autonomy is good and try to preserve it, but you elevate it to a sacred level above all else. I can respect that position without agreeing with it.
– lazarusL
yesterday
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@DavidHedlund: "..but the take home message must be that I have heard the child....": This is easy to resolve, simply state it clearly: "You have to take this medication. I know you don't want to, I know you hate it. I'd probably hate it too if I were you. Even so, you still have to take it so your ear can get better. I'm sorry, but that's the only way."
– Pascal
yesterday
@DavidHedlund: "..but the take home message must be that I have heard the child....": This is easy to resolve, simply state it clearly: "You have to take this medication. I know you don't want to, I know you hate it. I'd probably hate it too if I were you. Even so, you still have to take it so your ear can get better. I'm sorry, but that's the only way."
– Pascal
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and I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one.
Sometimes force is needed to save someone's life or prevent brain damage. Those are the gray areas of life. A high enough fever for long enough can lead to brain damage.
Have you tried mixing the meds in apple sauce? My mom would crush tablets and mix it in applesauce, but it was still bitter and I needed a big glass of water with it too.
Or do the suppository approach. But not all meds will come as a suppository. You may need to get this custom made, and in the US it will likely not be covered by insurance.
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and I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one.
Sometimes force is needed to save someone's life or prevent brain damage. Those are the gray areas of life. A high enough fever for long enough can lead to brain damage.
Have you tried mixing the meds in apple sauce? My mom would crush tablets and mix it in applesauce, but it was still bitter and I needed a big glass of water with it too.
Or do the suppository approach. But not all meds will come as a suppository. You may need to get this custom made, and in the US it will likely not be covered by insurance.
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and I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one.
Sometimes force is needed to save someone's life or prevent brain damage. Those are the gray areas of life. A high enough fever for long enough can lead to brain damage.
Have you tried mixing the meds in apple sauce? My mom would crush tablets and mix it in applesauce, but it was still bitter and I needed a big glass of water with it too.
Or do the suppository approach. But not all meds will come as a suppository. You may need to get this custom made, and in the US it will likely not be covered by insurance.
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and I am afraid to cause fear or trauma on my little one.
Sometimes force is needed to save someone's life or prevent brain damage. Those are the gray areas of life. A high enough fever for long enough can lead to brain damage.
Have you tried mixing the meds in apple sauce? My mom would crush tablets and mix it in applesauce, but it was still bitter and I needed a big glass of water with it too.
Or do the suppository approach. But not all meds will come as a suppository. You may need to get this custom made, and in the US it will likely not be covered by insurance.
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When my daughter was four years old she refused to take her antibiotics. As it happened, I also had to take antibiotics, so we would take our pills together. It has never been so easy to give a child her medication as it was that time.
I think part of why it worked that time was not just shared pain, but also because it became a game for us, to take the pills together. Maybe there is a way for you to get your daughter to cooperate by creating a game around taking the medicin?
Fun solution! Might I add that m&m's make excellent placebos!
– anongoodnurse♦
1 hour ago
Another approach to try - +1 for the idea, though I think this will work better when the kids are a bit older and they like to compete and win against you (like your daughter at 4) - I envision a "who can swallow the horrible pill faster?"-game. I can just imagine my boys at that age wanting to win more than not wanting to swallow the pill.
– Pascal
1 hour ago
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When my daughter was four years old she refused to take her antibiotics. As it happened, I also had to take antibiotics, so we would take our pills together. It has never been so easy to give a child her medication as it was that time.
I think part of why it worked that time was not just shared pain, but also because it became a game for us, to take the pills together. Maybe there is a way for you to get your daughter to cooperate by creating a game around taking the medicin?
Fun solution! Might I add that m&m's make excellent placebos!
– anongoodnurse♦
1 hour ago
Another approach to try - +1 for the idea, though I think this will work better when the kids are a bit older and they like to compete and win against you (like your daughter at 4) - I envision a "who can swallow the horrible pill faster?"-game. I can just imagine my boys at that age wanting to win more than not wanting to swallow the pill.
– Pascal
1 hour ago
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When my daughter was four years old she refused to take her antibiotics. As it happened, I also had to take antibiotics, so we would take our pills together. It has never been so easy to give a child her medication as it was that time.
I think part of why it worked that time was not just shared pain, but also because it became a game for us, to take the pills together. Maybe there is a way for you to get your daughter to cooperate by creating a game around taking the medicin?
When my daughter was four years old she refused to take her antibiotics. As it happened, I also had to take antibiotics, so we would take our pills together. It has never been so easy to give a child her medication as it was that time.
I think part of why it worked that time was not just shared pain, but also because it became a game for us, to take the pills together. Maybe there is a way for you to get your daughter to cooperate by creating a game around taking the medicin?
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Fun solution! Might I add that m&m's make excellent placebos!
– anongoodnurse♦
1 hour ago
Another approach to try - +1 for the idea, though I think this will work better when the kids are a bit older and they like to compete and win against you (like your daughter at 4) - I envision a "who can swallow the horrible pill faster?"-game. I can just imagine my boys at that age wanting to win more than not wanting to swallow the pill.
– Pascal
1 hour ago
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Fun solution! Might I add that m&m's make excellent placebos!
– anongoodnurse♦
1 hour ago
Another approach to try - +1 for the idea, though I think this will work better when the kids are a bit older and they like to compete and win against you (like your daughter at 4) - I envision a "who can swallow the horrible pill faster?"-game. I can just imagine my boys at that age wanting to win more than not wanting to swallow the pill.
– Pascal
1 hour ago
Fun solution! Might I add that m&m's make excellent placebos!
– anongoodnurse♦
1 hour ago
Fun solution! Might I add that m&m's make excellent placebos!
– anongoodnurse♦
1 hour ago
Another approach to try - +1 for the idea, though I think this will work better when the kids are a bit older and they like to compete and win against you (like your daughter at 4) - I envision a "who can swallow the horrible pill faster?"-game. I can just imagine my boys at that age wanting to win more than not wanting to swallow the pill.
– Pascal
1 hour ago
Another approach to try - +1 for the idea, though I think this will work better when the kids are a bit older and they like to compete and win against you (like your daughter at 4) - I envision a "who can swallow the horrible pill faster?"-game. I can just imagine my boys at that age wanting to win more than not wanting to swallow the pill.
– Pascal
1 hour ago
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I think your aversion to the use of force is warranted. To any extent possible, I think you shouldn't. Explaining away use of force with convincing yourself you're doing what's in the child's best interest, to me, is a slippery slope towards abuse. Because brushing teeth, finishing one's meal and dressing appropriately for the weather outside are all things that are arguably in your child's best interest, that your child will more or less frequently challenge you on. To an even greater extent, I believe, the lower her perceived autonomy in these matters. So I'm advocating a different mindset. I think you should hold yourself to a higher standard.
Having said that, I expect that you're still determined that the medicine should eventually be taken no matter what, and that's still okay. If all else fails and you resort to force, I'll be the first to say it's okay to sometimes fail as a parent - as long as you recognise it as a failure. I think it is deeply problematic to say that violence is acceptable because medicine is important.
Given the wager Pascal presents in their answer, I'd take the ten horrible minutes over immediately resorting to failure every day. I don't think forcing her to take her medicine will be something she resents you for, looking back, but I do think that the lengths you go in order to respect her autonomy will be a strong foundation for a loving and trusting relationship.
You can be clear from the outset that not taking the medicine is not an option, but I think that violence should be at least equally disagreeable. From there, reason, plead, bribe or compromise to the best of your ability. Be patient. She may end up realising that it's not worth the hassle, since the outcome is always the same. If she doesn't, all the time and effort it has taken is time and effort you've invested in not resorting to violence. That's a great win. If it also meant that you could avoid violence at least once, even better.
Thank you for your advice David. I will try my best along with my spouse to have force be the last resort.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
4
I don't think Hanlet is in danger of going down a slippery slope to abuse. He's stating he hates resorting to force. Also, there is a difference between "using force" and "violence". Violence means using physical force with the intention to hurt or damage. This is NOT what I'm advocating or what Hanlet or the nurse was doing.
– Pascal
yesterday
2
Also, you suggest to reason, plead, bribe and compromise (even if there is nothing to compromise about? - she needs to take the medicine...). I think that if you do this, it will take much, much longer for her to realize that the outcome is always the same, and therefore you'll need to resort to force for much longer (this is assuming that ten minutes of pleading, reasoning and bribing aren't successful - it that actually works to get her to swallow the medicine, then yes, I'd prefer that, too, but from what Hanlet wrote, it didn't sound like it worked).
– Pascal
yesterday
1
She will not remember this her whole life. For a few months, maybe. In a 2.5 year old child's mind, equality is not even on her radar.
– anongoodnurse♦
yesterday
2
@anongoodnurse: I'm not overly concerned about memory. Raising small children is about building relationships that will affect the next interaction and the next until you reach an age where she does make memories. Also, treating small children well is an end in itself. I equally don't think you should go ahead and treat dementia patients with force because they won't remember. That's not a meaningful distinction to me.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
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I think your aversion to the use of force is warranted. To any extent possible, I think you shouldn't. Explaining away use of force with convincing yourself you're doing what's in the child's best interest, to me, is a slippery slope towards abuse. Because brushing teeth, finishing one's meal and dressing appropriately for the weather outside are all things that are arguably in your child's best interest, that your child will more or less frequently challenge you on. To an even greater extent, I believe, the lower her perceived autonomy in these matters. So I'm advocating a different mindset. I think you should hold yourself to a higher standard.
Having said that, I expect that you're still determined that the medicine should eventually be taken no matter what, and that's still okay. If all else fails and you resort to force, I'll be the first to say it's okay to sometimes fail as a parent - as long as you recognise it as a failure. I think it is deeply problematic to say that violence is acceptable because medicine is important.
Given the wager Pascal presents in their answer, I'd take the ten horrible minutes over immediately resorting to failure every day. I don't think forcing her to take her medicine will be something she resents you for, looking back, but I do think that the lengths you go in order to respect her autonomy will be a strong foundation for a loving and trusting relationship.
You can be clear from the outset that not taking the medicine is not an option, but I think that violence should be at least equally disagreeable. From there, reason, plead, bribe or compromise to the best of your ability. Be patient. She may end up realising that it's not worth the hassle, since the outcome is always the same. If she doesn't, all the time and effort it has taken is time and effort you've invested in not resorting to violence. That's a great win. If it also meant that you could avoid violence at least once, even better.
Thank you for your advice David. I will try my best along with my spouse to have force be the last resort.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
4
I don't think Hanlet is in danger of going down a slippery slope to abuse. He's stating he hates resorting to force. Also, there is a difference between "using force" and "violence". Violence means using physical force with the intention to hurt or damage. This is NOT what I'm advocating or what Hanlet or the nurse was doing.
– Pascal
yesterday
2
Also, you suggest to reason, plead, bribe and compromise (even if there is nothing to compromise about? - she needs to take the medicine...). I think that if you do this, it will take much, much longer for her to realize that the outcome is always the same, and therefore you'll need to resort to force for much longer (this is assuming that ten minutes of pleading, reasoning and bribing aren't successful - it that actually works to get her to swallow the medicine, then yes, I'd prefer that, too, but from what Hanlet wrote, it didn't sound like it worked).
– Pascal
yesterday
1
She will not remember this her whole life. For a few months, maybe. In a 2.5 year old child's mind, equality is not even on her radar.
– anongoodnurse♦
yesterday
2
@anongoodnurse: I'm not overly concerned about memory. Raising small children is about building relationships that will affect the next interaction and the next until you reach an age where she does make memories. Also, treating small children well is an end in itself. I equally don't think you should go ahead and treat dementia patients with force because they won't remember. That's not a meaningful distinction to me.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
|
show 5 more comments
I think your aversion to the use of force is warranted. To any extent possible, I think you shouldn't. Explaining away use of force with convincing yourself you're doing what's in the child's best interest, to me, is a slippery slope towards abuse. Because brushing teeth, finishing one's meal and dressing appropriately for the weather outside are all things that are arguably in your child's best interest, that your child will more or less frequently challenge you on. To an even greater extent, I believe, the lower her perceived autonomy in these matters. So I'm advocating a different mindset. I think you should hold yourself to a higher standard.
Having said that, I expect that you're still determined that the medicine should eventually be taken no matter what, and that's still okay. If all else fails and you resort to force, I'll be the first to say it's okay to sometimes fail as a parent - as long as you recognise it as a failure. I think it is deeply problematic to say that violence is acceptable because medicine is important.
Given the wager Pascal presents in their answer, I'd take the ten horrible minutes over immediately resorting to failure every day. I don't think forcing her to take her medicine will be something she resents you for, looking back, but I do think that the lengths you go in order to respect her autonomy will be a strong foundation for a loving and trusting relationship.
You can be clear from the outset that not taking the medicine is not an option, but I think that violence should be at least equally disagreeable. From there, reason, plead, bribe or compromise to the best of your ability. Be patient. She may end up realising that it's not worth the hassle, since the outcome is always the same. If she doesn't, all the time and effort it has taken is time and effort you've invested in not resorting to violence. That's a great win. If it also meant that you could avoid violence at least once, even better.
I think your aversion to the use of force is warranted. To any extent possible, I think you shouldn't. Explaining away use of force with convincing yourself you're doing what's in the child's best interest, to me, is a slippery slope towards abuse. Because brushing teeth, finishing one's meal and dressing appropriately for the weather outside are all things that are arguably in your child's best interest, that your child will more or less frequently challenge you on. To an even greater extent, I believe, the lower her perceived autonomy in these matters. So I'm advocating a different mindset. I think you should hold yourself to a higher standard.
Having said that, I expect that you're still determined that the medicine should eventually be taken no matter what, and that's still okay. If all else fails and you resort to force, I'll be the first to say it's okay to sometimes fail as a parent - as long as you recognise it as a failure. I think it is deeply problematic to say that violence is acceptable because medicine is important.
Given the wager Pascal presents in their answer, I'd take the ten horrible minutes over immediately resorting to failure every day. I don't think forcing her to take her medicine will be something she resents you for, looking back, but I do think that the lengths you go in order to respect her autonomy will be a strong foundation for a loving and trusting relationship.
You can be clear from the outset that not taking the medicine is not an option, but I think that violence should be at least equally disagreeable. From there, reason, plead, bribe or compromise to the best of your ability. Be patient. She may end up realising that it's not worth the hassle, since the outcome is always the same. If she doesn't, all the time and effort it has taken is time and effort you've invested in not resorting to violence. That's a great win. If it also meant that you could avoid violence at least once, even better.
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Thank you for your advice David. I will try my best along with my spouse to have force be the last resort.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
4
I don't think Hanlet is in danger of going down a slippery slope to abuse. He's stating he hates resorting to force. Also, there is a difference between "using force" and "violence". Violence means using physical force with the intention to hurt or damage. This is NOT what I'm advocating or what Hanlet or the nurse was doing.
– Pascal
yesterday
2
Also, you suggest to reason, plead, bribe and compromise (even if there is nothing to compromise about? - she needs to take the medicine...). I think that if you do this, it will take much, much longer for her to realize that the outcome is always the same, and therefore you'll need to resort to force for much longer (this is assuming that ten minutes of pleading, reasoning and bribing aren't successful - it that actually works to get her to swallow the medicine, then yes, I'd prefer that, too, but from what Hanlet wrote, it didn't sound like it worked).
– Pascal
yesterday
1
She will not remember this her whole life. For a few months, maybe. In a 2.5 year old child's mind, equality is not even on her radar.
– anongoodnurse♦
yesterday
2
@anongoodnurse: I'm not overly concerned about memory. Raising small children is about building relationships that will affect the next interaction and the next until you reach an age where she does make memories. Also, treating small children well is an end in itself. I equally don't think you should go ahead and treat dementia patients with force because they won't remember. That's not a meaningful distinction to me.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
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Thank you for your advice David. I will try my best along with my spouse to have force be the last resort.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
4
I don't think Hanlet is in danger of going down a slippery slope to abuse. He's stating he hates resorting to force. Also, there is a difference between "using force" and "violence". Violence means using physical force with the intention to hurt or damage. This is NOT what I'm advocating or what Hanlet or the nurse was doing.
– Pascal
yesterday
2
Also, you suggest to reason, plead, bribe and compromise (even if there is nothing to compromise about? - she needs to take the medicine...). I think that if you do this, it will take much, much longer for her to realize that the outcome is always the same, and therefore you'll need to resort to force for much longer (this is assuming that ten minutes of pleading, reasoning and bribing aren't successful - it that actually works to get her to swallow the medicine, then yes, I'd prefer that, too, but from what Hanlet wrote, it didn't sound like it worked).
– Pascal
yesterday
1
She will not remember this her whole life. For a few months, maybe. In a 2.5 year old child's mind, equality is not even on her radar.
– anongoodnurse♦
yesterday
2
@anongoodnurse: I'm not overly concerned about memory. Raising small children is about building relationships that will affect the next interaction and the next until you reach an age where she does make memories. Also, treating small children well is an end in itself. I equally don't think you should go ahead and treat dementia patients with force because they won't remember. That's not a meaningful distinction to me.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
Thank you for your advice David. I will try my best along with my spouse to have force be the last resort.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
Thank you for your advice David. I will try my best along with my spouse to have force be the last resort.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
4
4
I don't think Hanlet is in danger of going down a slippery slope to abuse. He's stating he hates resorting to force. Also, there is a difference between "using force" and "violence". Violence means using physical force with the intention to hurt or damage. This is NOT what I'm advocating or what Hanlet or the nurse was doing.
– Pascal
yesterday
I don't think Hanlet is in danger of going down a slippery slope to abuse. He's stating he hates resorting to force. Also, there is a difference between "using force" and "violence". Violence means using physical force with the intention to hurt or damage. This is NOT what I'm advocating or what Hanlet or the nurse was doing.
– Pascal
yesterday
2
2
Also, you suggest to reason, plead, bribe and compromise (even if there is nothing to compromise about? - she needs to take the medicine...). I think that if you do this, it will take much, much longer for her to realize that the outcome is always the same, and therefore you'll need to resort to force for much longer (this is assuming that ten minutes of pleading, reasoning and bribing aren't successful - it that actually works to get her to swallow the medicine, then yes, I'd prefer that, too, but from what Hanlet wrote, it didn't sound like it worked).
– Pascal
yesterday
Also, you suggest to reason, plead, bribe and compromise (even if there is nothing to compromise about? - she needs to take the medicine...). I think that if you do this, it will take much, much longer for her to realize that the outcome is always the same, and therefore you'll need to resort to force for much longer (this is assuming that ten minutes of pleading, reasoning and bribing aren't successful - it that actually works to get her to swallow the medicine, then yes, I'd prefer that, too, but from what Hanlet wrote, it didn't sound like it worked).
– Pascal
yesterday
1
1
She will not remember this her whole life. For a few months, maybe. In a 2.5 year old child's mind, equality is not even on her radar.
– anongoodnurse♦
yesterday
She will not remember this her whole life. For a few months, maybe. In a 2.5 year old child's mind, equality is not even on her radar.
– anongoodnurse♦
yesterday
2
2
@anongoodnurse: I'm not overly concerned about memory. Raising small children is about building relationships that will affect the next interaction and the next until you reach an age where she does make memories. Also, treating small children well is an end in itself. I equally don't think you should go ahead and treat dementia patients with force because they won't remember. That's not a meaningful distinction to me.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
@anongoodnurse: I'm not overly concerned about memory. Raising small children is about building relationships that will affect the next interaction and the next until you reach an age where she does make memories. Also, treating small children well is an end in itself. I equally don't think you should go ahead and treat dementia patients with force because they won't remember. That's not a meaningful distinction to me.
– David Hedlund
yesterday
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In my area suppositories are common for toddlers, because they do not understand the importance of medicine and you can give it to them when they are asleep too. In such a case like OP describes, suppositories are much more spare the nerves of all involved.
– Allerleirauh
yesterday
Where I am from suppositories are also very popular among toddlers for the same reasons. I am not sure why they are not as popular in the US. Thanks for your advice.
– Hanlet Escaño
yesterday
1
Don't be alarmed. You can check the edit history to see why - the person who edited changed the title to make it more descriptive and search-machine friendly. She probably didn't take in the whole context and used the first word that came to mind, without realizing it made an important difference. But all is well, you fixed it, and now due to two people cooperating on the title, we have a much better title than the original one. BTW, you can ask such questions on meta, because they're questions about the workings of the site.
– Pascal
22 mins ago
Couldn't you let your child choose from two alternatives: the medicine vs a pip of chocolate/peanut butter (which includes the medicine)? Works everytime for me in cases like this or similar cases like broccoli vs cauliflower. People like choices.
– Quora Feans
10 mins ago