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I cannot read Hebrew and am struggling a great deal to understand Yeshayahu 43:10/43:13. In my English versions, these verse-parts seem very much to suggest that HaShem was Himself ‘formed’ at some point in time. My NIV, for example, has ‘Before Me no god was formed, nor will there be one after Me’ / ‘... From ancient days I am He’.

Am I being stupid here? Why does Hashem appears to be saying here that there was a ‘before’ and ‘after’ in relation to Him? Needless to say, the implications of my reading are disastrous: Only the Most High / Uncreated One can worshipped / honoured and obeyed as G-d!

I am guessing that this is just another case of inexact translation, hence my question. Still: my faith is falling to bits because of this problem - please help!

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I cannot read Hebrew and am struggling a great deal to understand Yeshayahu 43:10/43:13. In my English versions, these verse-parts seem very much to suggest that HaShem was Himself ‘formed’ at some point in time. My NIV, for example, has ‘Before Me no god was formed, nor will there be one after Me’ / ‘... From ancient days I am He’.

Am I being stupid here? Why does Hashem appears to be saying here that there was a ‘before’ and ‘after’ in relation to Him? Needless to say, the implications of my reading are disastrous: Only the Most High / Uncreated One can worshipped / honoured and obeyed as G-d!

I am guessing that this is just another case of inexact translation, hence my question. Still: my faith is falling to bits because of this problem - please help!

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I cannot read Hebrew and am struggling a great deal to understand Yeshayahu 43:10/43:13. In my English versions, these verse-parts seem very much to suggest that HaShem was Himself ‘formed’ at some point in time. My NIV, for example, has ‘Before Me no god was formed, nor will there be one after Me’ / ‘... From ancient days I am He’.

Am I being stupid here? Why does Hashem appears to be saying here that there was a ‘before’ and ‘after’ in relation to Him? Needless to say, the implications of my reading are disastrous: Only the Most High / Uncreated One can worshipped / honoured and obeyed as G-d!

I am guessing that this is just another case of inexact translation, hence my question. Still: my faith is falling to bits because of this problem - please help!

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Your question has been asked before by traditional commentators (e.g., Radak). artscroll translates the end of 43:10

before Me nothing was created by a god, nor will there be after Me!

and comments based on Radak and Mahari Kara

This is addressed to idolaters, who believed that there was another
divine being. Isaiah repudiates the notion that there ever was or ever
will be a deity other than Hashem. The verse is not to be taken
literally, that God exists in a time zone - as could be inferred from
the terms before Me and after Me - because God is infinite and
eternal; He created the vey concept of time, so it is impossible to
envision anything actually "before" or "after" Him.

They translate 43:13

Even before there was a day [Radak: even before the world existed], I was He, and there is none who can save
from My hand; when I act, who can reverse it?

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Your question has been asked before by traditional commentators (e.g., Radak). artscroll translates the end of 43:10

before Me nothing was created by a god, nor will there be after Me!

and comments based on Radak and Mahari Kara

This is addressed to idolaters, who believed that there was another
divine being. Isaiah repudiates the notion that there ever was or ever
will be a deity other than Hashem. The verse is not to be taken
literally, that God exists in a time zone - as could be inferred from
the terms before Me and after Me - because God is infinite and
eternal; He created the vey concept of time, so it is impossible to
envision anything actually "before" or "after" Him.

They translate 43:13

Even before there was a day [Radak: even before the world existed], I was He, and there is none who can save
from My hand; when I act, who can reverse it?

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Your question has been asked before by traditional commentators (e.g., Radak). artscroll translates the end of 43:10

before Me nothing was created by a god, nor will there be after Me!

and comments based on Radak and Mahari Kara

This is addressed to idolaters, who believed that there was another
divine being. Isaiah repudiates the notion that there ever was or ever
will be a deity other than Hashem. The verse is not to be taken
literally, that God exists in a time zone - as could be inferred from
the terms before Me and after Me - because God is infinite and
eternal; He created the vey concept of time, so it is impossible to
envision anything actually "before" or "after" Him.

They translate 43:13

Even before there was a day [Radak: even before the world existed], I was He, and there is none who can save
from My hand; when I act, who can reverse it?

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Your question has been asked before by traditional commentators (e.g., Radak). artscroll translates the end of 43:10

before Me nothing was created by a god, nor will there be after Me!

and comments based on Radak and Mahari Kara

This is addressed to idolaters, who believed that there was another
divine being. Isaiah repudiates the notion that there ever was or ever
will be a deity other than Hashem. The verse is not to be taken
literally, that God exists in a time zone - as could be inferred from
the terms before Me and after Me - because God is infinite and
eternal; He created the vey concept of time, so it is impossible to
envision anything actually "before" or "after" Him.

They translate 43:13

Even before there was a day [Radak: even before the world existed], I was He, and there is none who can save
from My hand; when I act, who can reverse it?

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