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Can I take an upcast spell as my Mystic Arcanum?

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For example, say I have a warlock and want to be able to summon bhuer hags.

This is slightly problematic due to bhuer's having a CR 7, so could I take an upcast Conjure Fey as my 7th level Mystic Arcanum?

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For example, say I have a warlock and want to be able to summon bhuer hags.

This is slightly problematic due to bhuer's having a CR 7, so could I take an upcast Conjure Fey as my 7th level Mystic Arcanum?

dnd-5e warlock

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  Related: Mystic Arcanum class feature: Can you choose lower level spells at higher level?, Would using a lower-leveled spell for the a Warlock's Mystic Arcanum feature impair balance?
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For example, say I have a warlock and want to be able to summon bhuer hags.

This is slightly problematic due to bhuer's having a CR 7, so could I take an upcast Conjure Fey as my 7th level Mystic Arcanum?

dnd-5e warlock

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You cannot do this

The Mystic Arcanum feature states:

Choose one Xth-level spell from the warlock spell list as this arcanum. You can cast your arcanum spell once without expending a spell slot. You must finish a long rest before you can do so again.

This requires to actually choose a spell of a certain level from your list, unfortunately the upcast version of a spell is not on your spell list and so cannot be chosen with this feature.

That said, houseruling this would likely not be game-breaking as most spells upcast to a given level are weaker than other spells of the same level.

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  "Most spells upcast to a given level are weaker than other spells of the same level." Has this been conclusively demonstrated?
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  @mdrichey This is true because higher level spells give you entirely knew capabilities instead of just increasing the power of previous ones. Summoning spells are one of the more edge-cases for this metric though, I'll admit
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  @mdrichey Another proof of this is the existence of higher level spells. If upcast spells were better then nobody would ever get higher level spells
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You cannot do this

The Mystic Arcanum feature states:

Choose one Xth-level spell from the warlock spell list as this arcanum. You can cast your arcanum spell once without expending a spell slot. You must finish a long rest before you can do so again.

This requires to actually choose a spell of a certain level from your list, unfortunately the upcast version of a spell is not on your spell list and so cannot be chosen with this feature.

That said, houseruling this would likely not be game-breaking as most spells upcast to a given level are weaker than other spells of the same level.

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answered 8 hours ago

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  "Most spells upcast to a given level are weaker than other spells of the same level." Has this been conclusively demonstrated?
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  @mdrichey This is true because higher level spells give you entirely knew capabilities instead of just increasing the power of previous ones. Summoning spells are one of the more edge-cases for this metric though, I'll admit
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  @mdrichey Another proof of this is the existence of higher level spells. If upcast spells were better then nobody would ever get higher level spells
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You cannot do this

The Mystic Arcanum feature states:

Choose one Xth-level spell from the warlock spell list as this arcanum. You can cast your arcanum spell once without expending a spell slot. You must finish a long rest before you can do so again.

This requires to actually choose a spell of a certain level from your list, unfortunately the upcast version of a spell is not on your spell list and so cannot be chosen with this feature.

That said, houseruling this would likely not be game-breaking as most spells upcast to a given level are weaker than other spells of the same level.

share|improve this answer

answered 8 hours ago

Medix2Medix2

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$endgroup$

• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
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  "Most spells upcast to a given level are weaker than other spells of the same level." Has this been conclusively demonstrated?
  $endgroup$
  – mdrichey
  7 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  $begingroup$
  @mdrichey This is true because higher level spells give you entirely knew capabilities instead of just increasing the power of previous ones. Summoning spells are one of the more edge-cases for this metric though, I'll admit
  $endgroup$
  – Medix2
  7 hours ago
  
  

  
  
  
  


• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
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  @mdrichey Another proof of this is the existence of higher level spells. If upcast spells were better then nobody would ever get higher level spells
  $endgroup$
  – Medix2
  5 hours ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

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You cannot do this

The Mystic Arcanum feature states:

Choose one Xth-level spell from the warlock spell list as this arcanum. You can cast your arcanum spell once without expending a spell slot. You must finish a long rest before you can do so again.

This requires to actually choose a spell of a certain level from your list, unfortunately the upcast version of a spell is not on your spell list and so cannot be chosen with this feature.

That said, houseruling this would likely not be game-breaking as most spells upcast to a given level are weaker than other spells of the same level.

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answered 8 hours ago

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