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Why do the digits of a number squared follow a similar quotient?
For a positive integer $n$, $p_n$ denotes the product of the digits of n, and $s_n$ denotes the sum of the digits of n.Find $5$ digit number equal to sum of all $3$ digit numbers with distinct digits that can be formed from itFind the 6 Digit NumberIs this the correct way to compute the last $n$ digits of Graham's number?Pattern on last digits of numbers to a certain powerHow many insignificant digits need to be used to calculate a number accurate to the same number of significant digits?last digit is a square and…Why does this method for finding the square root of a number work?What remainder do you get when dividing a big number with 9999 digits by 37?What is the value of $abc0ac$, a six digit perfect square number which is divisible by $5$ and $11$?
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I realized that, any number $k$ with $n$ digits, and when $k$ is squared, i.e $k^2$ will have $2n-1$ or $2n$ digits.
Per example, let $k = 583$, thus $n = 3$ and the digits of $583^2$ are $2n$.
But I started thinking, how can I narrow the result to be more precise?
But, I asked myself. How can I determine when I will have $2n-1$ or $2n$ digits?
What I did was the following:
$1)$ The last number of $1$ digit whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $3$ since $3^2 = 9$, and the next number $4^2 = 16$ have $2n$ digits. And the quotient between the max numbers of $1$ digit($9$) and the last number of $1$ digit to the pow of $2$ with $2n-1$ digits(3) is: $9/3 = 3$
$2)$ The last number of $2$ digits whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $31$, since $31^2 = 961$. The quotient here is $3.19354839$
$3)$ The last number of $3$ digits whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $316$ since $316^2 = 99856$. The quotient here is $3.16139241$
$4)$ The last number of $8$ digits whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $31622776$, since $31622776^2 = 9.9999996cdot10^14$. The quotient here is $3.16227768871$
The quotient is each time smaller and closer to $3.16$
$i)$ Why does the quotient between the largest number with $n$ digits and the last number with $n$ digits squared that have $2n-1$ follow this "pattern" closer and closer to $3.16$?
$i)$ With this I can assure for all numbers that: If i have a number, per example $k = 7558$ and $k$ have $4$ digits and the quotient between $9999/7558 < 3.2$, then $k$ have $2n = 8$ digits?
That more generally, I can assure you this?:
If i have a number $k$ with $n$ digits, this number have
$2n$ digits if $frac10^n-1k leq 3.2$ otherwise it will have $2n-1$
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I realized that, any number $k$ with $n$ digits, and when $k$ is squared, i.e $k^2$ will have $2n-1$ or $2n$ digits.
Per example, let $k = 583$, thus $n = 3$ and the digits of $583^2$ are $2n$.
But I started thinking, how can I narrow the result to be more precise?
But, I asked myself. How can I determine when I will have $2n-1$ or $2n$ digits?
What I did was the following:
$1)$ The last number of $1$ digit whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $3$ since $3^2 = 9$, and the next number $4^2 = 16$ have $2n$ digits. And the quotient between the max numbers of $1$ digit($9$) and the last number of $1$ digit to the pow of $2$ with $2n-1$ digits(3) is: $9/3 = 3$
$2)$ The last number of $2$ digits whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $31$, since $31^2 = 961$. The quotient here is $3.19354839$
$3)$ The last number of $3$ digits whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $316$ since $316^2 = 99856$. The quotient here is $3.16139241$
$4)$ The last number of $8$ digits whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $31622776$, since $31622776^2 = 9.9999996cdot10^14$. The quotient here is $3.16227768871$
The quotient is each time smaller and closer to $3.16$
$i)$ Why does the quotient between the largest number with $n$ digits and the last number with $n$ digits squared that have $2n-1$ follow this "pattern" closer and closer to $3.16$?
$i)$ With this I can assure for all numbers that: If i have a number, per example $k = 7558$ and $k$ have $4$ digits and the quotient between $9999/7558 < 3.2$, then $k$ have $2n = 8$ digits?
That more generally, I can assure you this?:
If i have a number $k$ with $n$ digits, this number have
$2n$ digits if $frac10^n-1k leq 3.2$ otherwise it will have $2n-1$
digits
number-theory
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I realized that, any number $k$ with $n$ digits, and when $k$ is squared, i.e $k^2$ will have $2n-1$ or $2n$ digits.
Per example, let $k = 583$, thus $n = 3$ and the digits of $583^2$ are $2n$.
But I started thinking, how can I narrow the result to be more precise?
But, I asked myself. How can I determine when I will have $2n-1$ or $2n$ digits?
What I did was the following:
$1)$ The last number of $1$ digit whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $3$ since $3^2 = 9$, and the next number $4^2 = 16$ have $2n$ digits. And the quotient between the max numbers of $1$ digit($9$) and the last number of $1$ digit to the pow of $2$ with $2n-1$ digits(3) is: $9/3 = 3$
$2)$ The last number of $2$ digits whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $31$, since $31^2 = 961$. The quotient here is $3.19354839$
$3)$ The last number of $3$ digits whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $316$ since $316^2 = 99856$. The quotient here is $3.16139241$
$4)$ The last number of $8$ digits whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $31622776$, since $31622776^2 = 9.9999996cdot10^14$. The quotient here is $3.16227768871$
The quotient is each time smaller and closer to $3.16$
$i)$ Why does the quotient between the largest number with $n$ digits and the last number with $n$ digits squared that have $2n-1$ follow this "pattern" closer and closer to $3.16$?
$i)$ With this I can assure for all numbers that: If i have a number, per example $k = 7558$ and $k$ have $4$ digits and the quotient between $9999/7558 < 3.2$, then $k$ have $2n = 8$ digits?
That more generally, I can assure you this?:
If i have a number $k$ with $n$ digits, this number have
$2n$ digits if $frac10^n-1k leq 3.2$ otherwise it will have $2n-1$
digits
number-theory
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I realized that, any number $k$ with $n$ digits, and when $k$ is squared, i.e $k^2$ will have $2n-1$ or $2n$ digits.
Per example, let $k = 583$, thus $n = 3$ and the digits of $583^2$ are $2n$.
But I started thinking, how can I narrow the result to be more precise?
But, I asked myself. How can I determine when I will have $2n-1$ or $2n$ digits?
What I did was the following:
$1)$ The last number of $1$ digit whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $3$ since $3^2 = 9$, and the next number $4^2 = 16$ have $2n$ digits. And the quotient between the max numbers of $1$ digit($9$) and the last number of $1$ digit to the pow of $2$ with $2n-1$ digits(3) is: $9/3 = 3$
$2)$ The last number of $2$ digits whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $31$, since $31^2 = 961$. The quotient here is $3.19354839$
$3)$ The last number of $3$ digits whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $316$ since $316^2 = 99856$. The quotient here is $3.16139241$
$4)$ The last number of $8$ digits whose square has $2n-1$ digits, is $31622776$, since $31622776^2 = 9.9999996cdot10^14$. The quotient here is $3.16227768871$
The quotient is each time smaller and closer to $3.16$
$i)$ Why does the quotient between the largest number with $n$ digits and the last number with $n$ digits squared that have $2n-1$ follow this "pattern" closer and closer to $3.16$?
$i)$ With this I can assure for all numbers that: If i have a number, per example $k = 7558$ and $k$ have $4$ digits and the quotient between $9999/7558 < 3.2$, then $k$ have $2n = 8$ digits?
That more generally, I can assure you this?:
If i have a number $k$ with $n$ digits, this number have
$2n$ digits if $frac10^n-1k leq 3.2$ otherwise it will have $2n-1$
digits
number-theory
number-theory
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If $k^2$ has $2n$ digits, then it is true that $10^2n-1 leq k^2 < 10^2n$, so we have $10^n-1sqrt10 = sqrt10^2n-1 leq k < sqrt10^2n = 10^n$.
If $k^2$ has $2n-1$ digits, then it is true that $10^2n-2 leq k^2 < 10^2n-1$, so we have $10^n-1 = sqrt10^2n-2 leq k < sqrt10^2n-1 = 10^n-1sqrt10$.
So the cutoff you've observed is exactly at $sqrt10 approx 3.162277660168379332$, times powers of 10.
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First note this: $k$ has $n$ digits means $10^n-1le k lt 10^n.$
Now if $10^n-1le k lt sqrt10 times10^n-1$,
then $10^2n-2le k^2 < 10^2n-1$, so $k^2$ has $2n-1$ digits,
whereas if $sqrt10 times10^n-1 lt k lt 10^n$,
then $10^2n-1le k^2 < 10^2n$, so $k^2$ has $2n$ digits.
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A (natural) number $k$ has $m$ digits if an only if $10^m-1 le k < 10^m$
So $10^2m-2 le k^2 < 10^2m$.
If $10^2m-2 le k^2 < 10^2m-1$ then $k^2$ will have $2m-1$ digits.
Taking the square roots we see This happens when $10^m-1 le k < sqrt10^2m-1$
$sqrt10^2m-1 = sqrt10*10^2m-2 = 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ which is never an integer.
Now... thing for a moment. If $sqrt10 approx 3.1622776601683793319988935444327....$, then $10^m-1*sqrt10$ will be $3.1622776601683793319988935444327...$ "shifted over $m$ decimal places".
So the largest possible natural number less than $10^m-1*sqrt 10$ will be the first $m$ digits of $sqrt10$.
So a $m$ digit number when square will have $2m-1$ digits if $k < 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ and will have $2m$ digits if $k > 10^m-1*sqrt 10$. And the way can tell if $k <$ or $k > 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ is by checking if the digits match the digits of $31622776601683793319988935444327...$ up to $m$ plaes.
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If $k^2$ has $2n$ digits, then it is true that $10^2n-1 leq k^2 < 10^2n$, so we have $10^n-1sqrt10 = sqrt10^2n-1 leq k < sqrt10^2n = 10^n$.
If $k^2$ has $2n-1$ digits, then it is true that $10^2n-2 leq k^2 < 10^2n-1$, so we have $10^n-1 = sqrt10^2n-2 leq k < sqrt10^2n-1 = 10^n-1sqrt10$.
So the cutoff you've observed is exactly at $sqrt10 approx 3.162277660168379332$, times powers of 10.
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If $k^2$ has $2n$ digits, then it is true that $10^2n-1 leq k^2 < 10^2n$, so we have $10^n-1sqrt10 = sqrt10^2n-1 leq k < sqrt10^2n = 10^n$.
If $k^2$ has $2n-1$ digits, then it is true that $10^2n-2 leq k^2 < 10^2n-1$, so we have $10^n-1 = sqrt10^2n-2 leq k < sqrt10^2n-1 = 10^n-1sqrt10$.
So the cutoff you've observed is exactly at $sqrt10 approx 3.162277660168379332$, times powers of 10.
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If $k^2$ has $2n$ digits, then it is true that $10^2n-1 leq k^2 < 10^2n$, so we have $10^n-1sqrt10 = sqrt10^2n-1 leq k < sqrt10^2n = 10^n$.
If $k^2$ has $2n-1$ digits, then it is true that $10^2n-2 leq k^2 < 10^2n-1$, so we have $10^n-1 = sqrt10^2n-2 leq k < sqrt10^2n-1 = 10^n-1sqrt10$.
So the cutoff you've observed is exactly at $sqrt10 approx 3.162277660168379332$, times powers of 10.
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If $k^2$ has $2n$ digits, then it is true that $10^2n-1 leq k^2 < 10^2n$, so we have $10^n-1sqrt10 = sqrt10^2n-1 leq k < sqrt10^2n = 10^n$.
If $k^2$ has $2n-1$ digits, then it is true that $10^2n-2 leq k^2 < 10^2n-1$, so we have $10^n-1 = sqrt10^2n-2 leq k < sqrt10^2n-1 = 10^n-1sqrt10$.
So the cutoff you've observed is exactly at $sqrt10 approx 3.162277660168379332$, times powers of 10.
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First note this: $k$ has $n$ digits means $10^n-1le k lt 10^n.$
Now if $10^n-1le k lt sqrt10 times10^n-1$,
then $10^2n-2le k^2 < 10^2n-1$, so $k^2$ has $2n-1$ digits,
whereas if $sqrt10 times10^n-1 lt k lt 10^n$,
then $10^2n-1le k^2 < 10^2n$, so $k^2$ has $2n$ digits.
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First note this: $k$ has $n$ digits means $10^n-1le k lt 10^n.$
Now if $10^n-1le k lt sqrt10 times10^n-1$,
then $10^2n-2le k^2 < 10^2n-1$, so $k^2$ has $2n-1$ digits,
whereas if $sqrt10 times10^n-1 lt k lt 10^n$,
then $10^2n-1le k^2 < 10^2n$, so $k^2$ has $2n$ digits.
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First note this: $k$ has $n$ digits means $10^n-1le k lt 10^n.$
Now if $10^n-1le k lt sqrt10 times10^n-1$,
then $10^2n-2le k^2 < 10^2n-1$, so $k^2$ has $2n-1$ digits,
whereas if $sqrt10 times10^n-1 lt k lt 10^n$,
then $10^2n-1le k^2 < 10^2n$, so $k^2$ has $2n$ digits.
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First note this: $k$ has $n$ digits means $10^n-1le k lt 10^n.$
Now if $10^n-1le k lt sqrt10 times10^n-1$,
then $10^2n-2le k^2 < 10^2n-1$, so $k^2$ has $2n-1$ digits,
whereas if $sqrt10 times10^n-1 lt k lt 10^n$,
then $10^2n-1le k^2 < 10^2n$, so $k^2$ has $2n$ digits.
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A (natural) number $k$ has $m$ digits if an only if $10^m-1 le k < 10^m$
So $10^2m-2 le k^2 < 10^2m$.
If $10^2m-2 le k^2 < 10^2m-1$ then $k^2$ will have $2m-1$ digits.
Taking the square roots we see This happens when $10^m-1 le k < sqrt10^2m-1$
$sqrt10^2m-1 = sqrt10*10^2m-2 = 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ which is never an integer.
Now... thing for a moment. If $sqrt10 approx 3.1622776601683793319988935444327....$, then $10^m-1*sqrt10$ will be $3.1622776601683793319988935444327...$ "shifted over $m$ decimal places".
So the largest possible natural number less than $10^m-1*sqrt 10$ will be the first $m$ digits of $sqrt10$.
So a $m$ digit number when square will have $2m-1$ digits if $k < 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ and will have $2m$ digits if $k > 10^m-1*sqrt 10$. And the way can tell if $k <$ or $k > 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ is by checking if the digits match the digits of $31622776601683793319988935444327...$ up to $m$ plaes.
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A (natural) number $k$ has $m$ digits if an only if $10^m-1 le k < 10^m$
So $10^2m-2 le k^2 < 10^2m$.
If $10^2m-2 le k^2 < 10^2m-1$ then $k^2$ will have $2m-1$ digits.
Taking the square roots we see This happens when $10^m-1 le k < sqrt10^2m-1$
$sqrt10^2m-1 = sqrt10*10^2m-2 = 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ which is never an integer.
Now... thing for a moment. If $sqrt10 approx 3.1622776601683793319988935444327....$, then $10^m-1*sqrt10$ will be $3.1622776601683793319988935444327...$ "shifted over $m$ decimal places".
So the largest possible natural number less than $10^m-1*sqrt 10$ will be the first $m$ digits of $sqrt10$.
So a $m$ digit number when square will have $2m-1$ digits if $k < 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ and will have $2m$ digits if $k > 10^m-1*sqrt 10$. And the way can tell if $k <$ or $k > 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ is by checking if the digits match the digits of $31622776601683793319988935444327...$ up to $m$ plaes.
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A (natural) number $k$ has $m$ digits if an only if $10^m-1 le k < 10^m$
So $10^2m-2 le k^2 < 10^2m$.
If $10^2m-2 le k^2 < 10^2m-1$ then $k^2$ will have $2m-1$ digits.
Taking the square roots we see This happens when $10^m-1 le k < sqrt10^2m-1$
$sqrt10^2m-1 = sqrt10*10^2m-2 = 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ which is never an integer.
Now... thing for a moment. If $sqrt10 approx 3.1622776601683793319988935444327....$, then $10^m-1*sqrt10$ will be $3.1622776601683793319988935444327...$ "shifted over $m$ decimal places".
So the largest possible natural number less than $10^m-1*sqrt 10$ will be the first $m$ digits of $sqrt10$.
So a $m$ digit number when square will have $2m-1$ digits if $k < 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ and will have $2m$ digits if $k > 10^m-1*sqrt 10$. And the way can tell if $k <$ or $k > 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ is by checking if the digits match the digits of $31622776601683793319988935444327...$ up to $m$ plaes.
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A (natural) number $k$ has $m$ digits if an only if $10^m-1 le k < 10^m$
So $10^2m-2 le k^2 < 10^2m$.
If $10^2m-2 le k^2 < 10^2m-1$ then $k^2$ will have $2m-1$ digits.
Taking the square roots we see This happens when $10^m-1 le k < sqrt10^2m-1$
$sqrt10^2m-1 = sqrt10*10^2m-2 = 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ which is never an integer.
Now... thing for a moment. If $sqrt10 approx 3.1622776601683793319988935444327....$, then $10^m-1*sqrt10$ will be $3.1622776601683793319988935444327...$ "shifted over $m$ decimal places".
So the largest possible natural number less than $10^m-1*sqrt 10$ will be the first $m$ digits of $sqrt10$.
So a $m$ digit number when square will have $2m-1$ digits if $k < 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ and will have $2m$ digits if $k > 10^m-1*sqrt 10$. And the way can tell if $k <$ or $k > 10^m-1*sqrt 10$ is by checking if the digits match the digits of $31622776601683793319988935444327...$ up to $m$ plaes.
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$sqrt10approx3.16$
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– J. W. Tanner
8 hours ago
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@J.W.Tanner and what does it help me?
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– Eduardo S.
7 hours ago
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see my answer below
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– J. W. Tanner
7 hours ago