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Possibility to correct pitch from digital versions of records with the hole not centered
Does striking the string with more force produce higher pitch?Do growls interact with the harmony?Why do people with perfect pitch perceive tunes not in 440 Hz out of tune?Trumpet - Should I think in concert pitch or not?Do we correctly hear the pitch of our own singing voice?Which wind instruments do not change pitch when blown harder?Is the pitch-producing mechanism for singing and humming the same or entirely different?Piano playing matching pitch of spoken voice - is there a name for this?MusES musical representation system — questions on the “algebra of pitch-classes” and some conventionsHow does one interpret (or write) scientific pitch notation with accidentals when it crosses octave boundaries?
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I've got a lot of old 7 inch singles and lp's I want to digitize, but it's almost impossible to get them played correctly because on most of these records the hole isn't really pressed in the middle of the record. I've tried Audacity and load of other audio correcting software, but I keep hearing the pitch change. I've tried several different record players but they all give the same result. Is there anybody out there who found the ultimate solitions? I for one would be very grateful, since tnis has been bugging me for years now. Thanks in advance
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I've got a lot of old 7 inch singles and lp's I want to digitize, but it's almost impossible to get them played correctly because on most of these records the hole isn't really pressed in the middle of the record. I've tried Audacity and load of other audio correcting software, but I keep hearing the pitch change. I've tried several different record players but they all give the same result. Is there anybody out there who found the ultimate solitions? I for one would be very grateful, since tnis has been bugging me for years now. Thanks in advance
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Fantastic question, but maybe one for Music Fans Stack Exchange (or Sound Design Stack Exchange)?
– topo morto
10 hours ago
How rare are they? I'd honestly say if you can get official versions done by the record company, even regular mp3, the quality will already be far better than you can drag off an old record with a consumer deck.
– Tetsujin
8 hours ago
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I've got a lot of old 7 inch singles and lp's I want to digitize, but it's almost impossible to get them played correctly because on most of these records the hole isn't really pressed in the middle of the record. I've tried Audacity and load of other audio correcting software, but I keep hearing the pitch change. I've tried several different record players but they all give the same result. Is there anybody out there who found the ultimate solitions? I for one would be very grateful, since tnis has been bugging me for years now. Thanks in advance
pitch
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I've got a lot of old 7 inch singles and lp's I want to digitize, but it's almost impossible to get them played correctly because on most of these records the hole isn't really pressed in the middle of the record. I've tried Audacity and load of other audio correcting software, but I keep hearing the pitch change. I've tried several different record players but they all give the same result. Is there anybody out there who found the ultimate solitions? I for one would be very grateful, since tnis has been bugging me for years now. Thanks in advance
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Fantastic question, but maybe one for Music Fans Stack Exchange (or Sound Design Stack Exchange)?
– topo morto
10 hours ago
How rare are they? I'd honestly say if you can get official versions done by the record company, even regular mp3, the quality will already be far better than you can drag off an old record with a consumer deck.
– Tetsujin
8 hours ago
add a comment |
1
Fantastic question, but maybe one for Music Fans Stack Exchange (or Sound Design Stack Exchange)?
– topo morto
10 hours ago
How rare are they? I'd honestly say if you can get official versions done by the record company, even regular mp3, the quality will already be far better than you can drag off an old record with a consumer deck.
– Tetsujin
8 hours ago
1
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Fantastic question, but maybe one for Music Fans Stack Exchange (or Sound Design Stack Exchange)?
– topo morto
10 hours ago
Fantastic question, but maybe one for Music Fans Stack Exchange (or Sound Design Stack Exchange)?
– topo morto
10 hours ago
How rare are they? I'd honestly say if you can get official versions done by the record company, even regular mp3, the quality will already be far better than you can drag off an old record with a consumer deck.
– Tetsujin
8 hours ago
How rare are they? I'd honestly say if you can get official versions done by the record company, even regular mp3, the quality will already be far better than you can drag off an old record with a consumer deck.
– Tetsujin
8 hours ago
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I have personally done this once. I had a recording that had obviously been copied from a source that had been recorded or played back at uneven speed. By listening to parts where the high and low points in the modulation were clear, and looking at the audio in spectrogram mode in an audio editor, I was able to identify the speed of the modulation, and then applied an inverse modulation. With a bit of trial-and-error I was able to get a satisfactory result.
The good news for you is that the modulation will be at a constant rate throughout the song. With a record playing at 45 rpm, the modulation will have just that rate, 45 rpm, or 0.75 Hz. Unfortunately, the depth of the modulation (how much higher and lower the frequency goes) depends on how far the hole is from the actual center of the record; so you wont be able to find settings that work for one record and then apply them to all the records. A bit of trial-and-error will always be needed to find the correct settings.
Practically, try to find a part of the song where the modulation can easily be measured, e.g. an isolated instrumental part with long notes, preferable on an instrument that doesn't have strong vibrato of itself. Once you have identified the location of the high and low point, and the depth of the modulation, you can then apply the opposite modulation (using a sine wave as modulator) to the whole song.
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The consensus in audiophile circles seems to be that carefully filing the hole (and maybe using clamps) is the way to deal with this.
Another possibility is a Nakamichi Dragon Computing Turntable which automatically corrects for off-center holes.
1
I love Nakamichi - spent a fortune on one of their cassette decks back in the day. Unfortunately, their 'cleverness' out-thunk itself with the Dragon... as it's far more likely the swarf-trim on the outside of a record is inaccurate than it is that the hole is off-centre ;)
– Tetsujin
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It can certainly be done. I'm thinking of the recent 'stereo' versions of some Glenn Miller recordings. At the original session as well as the main recording there was a backup recording to another machine through its own microphone. It proved possible to synchronise these well enough to derive stereo information. Whatever computer did that should be quite capable of compensating for an off-centre hole!
But, practically, I think you'd be better off contriving a mechanical method of centering the disk. Maybe drill out the centre - aligned correctly this time! - and use one of those adapters made for ex-jukebox singles? Or just bore it out a bit and use packing.
The subject is discussed here:
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/records-that-are-pressed-off-center.99165/
and here:
http://www.vinyllpcare.com/tips-for-correcting-off-centre-spindle-holes-on-vinyl-lps
add a comment |
This is possible but probably rather complicated. Audacity should work but you would have to calibrate the speed changes over a single rotation. I'm not sure if the correction is different on the outside or inside groves; I think it is. Perhaps you could calculate the correction then use audacity to apply that correction. It's a calculus problem to calculate the rotational speed of an off-center disk taking into account the movement from outside to inside.
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I have personally done this once. I had a recording that had obviously been copied from a source that had been recorded or played back at uneven speed. By listening to parts where the high and low points in the modulation were clear, and looking at the audio in spectrogram mode in an audio editor, I was able to identify the speed of the modulation, and then applied an inverse modulation. With a bit of trial-and-error I was able to get a satisfactory result.
The good news for you is that the modulation will be at a constant rate throughout the song. With a record playing at 45 rpm, the modulation will have just that rate, 45 rpm, or 0.75 Hz. Unfortunately, the depth of the modulation (how much higher and lower the frequency goes) depends on how far the hole is from the actual center of the record; so you wont be able to find settings that work for one record and then apply them to all the records. A bit of trial-and-error will always be needed to find the correct settings.
Practically, try to find a part of the song where the modulation can easily be measured, e.g. an isolated instrumental part with long notes, preferable on an instrument that doesn't have strong vibrato of itself. Once you have identified the location of the high and low point, and the depth of the modulation, you can then apply the opposite modulation (using a sine wave as modulator) to the whole song.
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I have personally done this once. I had a recording that had obviously been copied from a source that had been recorded or played back at uneven speed. By listening to parts where the high and low points in the modulation were clear, and looking at the audio in spectrogram mode in an audio editor, I was able to identify the speed of the modulation, and then applied an inverse modulation. With a bit of trial-and-error I was able to get a satisfactory result.
The good news for you is that the modulation will be at a constant rate throughout the song. With a record playing at 45 rpm, the modulation will have just that rate, 45 rpm, or 0.75 Hz. Unfortunately, the depth of the modulation (how much higher and lower the frequency goes) depends on how far the hole is from the actual center of the record; so you wont be able to find settings that work for one record and then apply them to all the records. A bit of trial-and-error will always be needed to find the correct settings.
Practically, try to find a part of the song where the modulation can easily be measured, e.g. an isolated instrumental part with long notes, preferable on an instrument that doesn't have strong vibrato of itself. Once you have identified the location of the high and low point, and the depth of the modulation, you can then apply the opposite modulation (using a sine wave as modulator) to the whole song.
add a comment |
I have personally done this once. I had a recording that had obviously been copied from a source that had been recorded or played back at uneven speed. By listening to parts where the high and low points in the modulation were clear, and looking at the audio in spectrogram mode in an audio editor, I was able to identify the speed of the modulation, and then applied an inverse modulation. With a bit of trial-and-error I was able to get a satisfactory result.
The good news for you is that the modulation will be at a constant rate throughout the song. With a record playing at 45 rpm, the modulation will have just that rate, 45 rpm, or 0.75 Hz. Unfortunately, the depth of the modulation (how much higher and lower the frequency goes) depends on how far the hole is from the actual center of the record; so you wont be able to find settings that work for one record and then apply them to all the records. A bit of trial-and-error will always be needed to find the correct settings.
Practically, try to find a part of the song where the modulation can easily be measured, e.g. an isolated instrumental part with long notes, preferable on an instrument that doesn't have strong vibrato of itself. Once you have identified the location of the high and low point, and the depth of the modulation, you can then apply the opposite modulation (using a sine wave as modulator) to the whole song.
I have personally done this once. I had a recording that had obviously been copied from a source that had been recorded or played back at uneven speed. By listening to parts where the high and low points in the modulation were clear, and looking at the audio in spectrogram mode in an audio editor, I was able to identify the speed of the modulation, and then applied an inverse modulation. With a bit of trial-and-error I was able to get a satisfactory result.
The good news for you is that the modulation will be at a constant rate throughout the song. With a record playing at 45 rpm, the modulation will have just that rate, 45 rpm, or 0.75 Hz. Unfortunately, the depth of the modulation (how much higher and lower the frequency goes) depends on how far the hole is from the actual center of the record; so you wont be able to find settings that work for one record and then apply them to all the records. A bit of trial-and-error will always be needed to find the correct settings.
Practically, try to find a part of the song where the modulation can easily be measured, e.g. an isolated instrumental part with long notes, preferable on an instrument that doesn't have strong vibrato of itself. Once you have identified the location of the high and low point, and the depth of the modulation, you can then apply the opposite modulation (using a sine wave as modulator) to the whole song.
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The consensus in audiophile circles seems to be that carefully filing the hole (and maybe using clamps) is the way to deal with this.
Another possibility is a Nakamichi Dragon Computing Turntable which automatically corrects for off-center holes.
1
I love Nakamichi - spent a fortune on one of their cassette decks back in the day. Unfortunately, their 'cleverness' out-thunk itself with the Dragon... as it's far more likely the swarf-trim on the outside of a record is inaccurate than it is that the hole is off-centre ;)
– Tetsujin
8 hours ago
add a comment |
The consensus in audiophile circles seems to be that carefully filing the hole (and maybe using clamps) is the way to deal with this.
Another possibility is a Nakamichi Dragon Computing Turntable which automatically corrects for off-center holes.
1
I love Nakamichi - spent a fortune on one of their cassette decks back in the day. Unfortunately, their 'cleverness' out-thunk itself with the Dragon... as it's far more likely the swarf-trim on the outside of a record is inaccurate than it is that the hole is off-centre ;)
– Tetsujin
8 hours ago
add a comment |
The consensus in audiophile circles seems to be that carefully filing the hole (and maybe using clamps) is the way to deal with this.
Another possibility is a Nakamichi Dragon Computing Turntable which automatically corrects for off-center holes.
The consensus in audiophile circles seems to be that carefully filing the hole (and maybe using clamps) is the way to deal with this.
Another possibility is a Nakamichi Dragon Computing Turntable which automatically corrects for off-center holes.
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I love Nakamichi - spent a fortune on one of their cassette decks back in the day. Unfortunately, their 'cleverness' out-thunk itself with the Dragon... as it's far more likely the swarf-trim on the outside of a record is inaccurate than it is that the hole is off-centre ;)
– Tetsujin
8 hours ago
add a comment |
1
I love Nakamichi - spent a fortune on one of their cassette decks back in the day. Unfortunately, their 'cleverness' out-thunk itself with the Dragon... as it's far more likely the swarf-trim on the outside of a record is inaccurate than it is that the hole is off-centre ;)
– Tetsujin
8 hours ago
1
1
I love Nakamichi - spent a fortune on one of their cassette decks back in the day. Unfortunately, their 'cleverness' out-thunk itself with the Dragon... as it's far more likely the swarf-trim on the outside of a record is inaccurate than it is that the hole is off-centre ;)
– Tetsujin
8 hours ago
I love Nakamichi - spent a fortune on one of their cassette decks back in the day. Unfortunately, their 'cleverness' out-thunk itself with the Dragon... as it's far more likely the swarf-trim on the outside of a record is inaccurate than it is that the hole is off-centre ;)
– Tetsujin
8 hours ago
add a comment |
It can certainly be done. I'm thinking of the recent 'stereo' versions of some Glenn Miller recordings. At the original session as well as the main recording there was a backup recording to another machine through its own microphone. It proved possible to synchronise these well enough to derive stereo information. Whatever computer did that should be quite capable of compensating for an off-centre hole!
But, practically, I think you'd be better off contriving a mechanical method of centering the disk. Maybe drill out the centre - aligned correctly this time! - and use one of those adapters made for ex-jukebox singles? Or just bore it out a bit and use packing.
The subject is discussed here:
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/records-that-are-pressed-off-center.99165/
and here:
http://www.vinyllpcare.com/tips-for-correcting-off-centre-spindle-holes-on-vinyl-lps
add a comment |
It can certainly be done. I'm thinking of the recent 'stereo' versions of some Glenn Miller recordings. At the original session as well as the main recording there was a backup recording to another machine through its own microphone. It proved possible to synchronise these well enough to derive stereo information. Whatever computer did that should be quite capable of compensating for an off-centre hole!
But, practically, I think you'd be better off contriving a mechanical method of centering the disk. Maybe drill out the centre - aligned correctly this time! - and use one of those adapters made for ex-jukebox singles? Or just bore it out a bit and use packing.
The subject is discussed here:
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/records-that-are-pressed-off-center.99165/
and here:
http://www.vinyllpcare.com/tips-for-correcting-off-centre-spindle-holes-on-vinyl-lps
add a comment |
It can certainly be done. I'm thinking of the recent 'stereo' versions of some Glenn Miller recordings. At the original session as well as the main recording there was a backup recording to another machine through its own microphone. It proved possible to synchronise these well enough to derive stereo information. Whatever computer did that should be quite capable of compensating for an off-centre hole!
But, practically, I think you'd be better off contriving a mechanical method of centering the disk. Maybe drill out the centre - aligned correctly this time! - and use one of those adapters made for ex-jukebox singles? Or just bore it out a bit and use packing.
The subject is discussed here:
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/records-that-are-pressed-off-center.99165/
and here:
http://www.vinyllpcare.com/tips-for-correcting-off-centre-spindle-holes-on-vinyl-lps
It can certainly be done. I'm thinking of the recent 'stereo' versions of some Glenn Miller recordings. At the original session as well as the main recording there was a backup recording to another machine through its own microphone. It proved possible to synchronise these well enough to derive stereo information. Whatever computer did that should be quite capable of compensating for an off-centre hole!
But, practically, I think you'd be better off contriving a mechanical method of centering the disk. Maybe drill out the centre - aligned correctly this time! - and use one of those adapters made for ex-jukebox singles? Or just bore it out a bit and use packing.
The subject is discussed here:
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/records-that-are-pressed-off-center.99165/
and here:
http://www.vinyllpcare.com/tips-for-correcting-off-centre-spindle-holes-on-vinyl-lps
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This is possible but probably rather complicated. Audacity should work but you would have to calibrate the speed changes over a single rotation. I'm not sure if the correction is different on the outside or inside groves; I think it is. Perhaps you could calculate the correction then use audacity to apply that correction. It's a calculus problem to calculate the rotational speed of an off-center disk taking into account the movement from outside to inside.
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This is possible but probably rather complicated. Audacity should work but you would have to calibrate the speed changes over a single rotation. I'm not sure if the correction is different on the outside or inside groves; I think it is. Perhaps you could calculate the correction then use audacity to apply that correction. It's a calculus problem to calculate the rotational speed of an off-center disk taking into account the movement from outside to inside.
add a comment |
This is possible but probably rather complicated. Audacity should work but you would have to calibrate the speed changes over a single rotation. I'm not sure if the correction is different on the outside or inside groves; I think it is. Perhaps you could calculate the correction then use audacity to apply that correction. It's a calculus problem to calculate the rotational speed of an off-center disk taking into account the movement from outside to inside.
This is possible but probably rather complicated. Audacity should work but you would have to calibrate the speed changes over a single rotation. I'm not sure if the correction is different on the outside or inside groves; I think it is. Perhaps you could calculate the correction then use audacity to apply that correction. It's a calculus problem to calculate the rotational speed of an off-center disk taking into account the movement from outside to inside.
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Fantastic question, but maybe one for Music Fans Stack Exchange (or Sound Design Stack Exchange)?
– topo morto
10 hours ago
How rare are they? I'd honestly say if you can get official versions done by the record company, even regular mp3, the quality will already be far better than you can drag off an old record with a consumer deck.
– Tetsujin
8 hours ago