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Why is a common reference string needed in zero knowledge proofs?


How is the Swiss post e-voting system supposed to work, and how was it wrong?What is adaptive zero-knowledge?Common reference string in NIZKUsage of Zero-knowledge proofs for NP-complete languagesReal world example of non-interactive zero knowledge proofs?Fiat-Shamir vs Common Reference String to make NIZKzero-knowledge proof of disjunctive statements (OR proofs)Zero Knowledge Proofs in BPPZero-knowledge-proofs on committed valueNon interactive zero knowledge proof with common reference stringZero Knowledge Police Check













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Can we have a non-trivial language without a CRS? Why?










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    Does the Swiss voting back door answer this?
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    9 hours ago










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    @SqueamishOssifrage Yes, also a good elaborate example
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    9 hours ago






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    Do you mean NIZKs?
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    – Occams_Trimmer
    8 hours ago










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    @Occams_Trimmer I was not being specific, however if you have any insight on NIZK specifics then it would also be helpful
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    – WeCanBeFriends
    8 hours ago






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    If interaction is allowed then there are quite a lot of examples: take any language in the classes PZK/SZK/CZK. However, only languages in BPP have NIZK proofs without CRS.
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    Does the Swiss voting back door answer this?
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  • $begingroup$
    @SqueamishOssifrage Yes, also a good elaborate example
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    – WeCanBeFriends
    9 hours ago






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    Do you mean NIZKs?
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    @Occams_Trimmer I was not being specific, however if you have any insight on NIZK specifics then it would also be helpful
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    – WeCanBeFriends
    8 hours ago






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    If interaction is allowed then there are quite a lot of examples: take any language in the classes PZK/SZK/CZK. However, only languages in BPP have NIZK proofs without CRS.
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    @SqueamishOssifrage Yes, also a good elaborate example
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    Do you mean NIZKs?
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    @Occams_Trimmer I was not being specific, however if you have any insight on NIZK specifics then it would also be helpful
    $endgroup$
    – WeCanBeFriends
    8 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    If interaction is allowed then there are quite a lot of examples: take any language in the classes PZK/SZK/CZK. However, only languages in BPP have NIZK proofs without CRS.
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    – Occams_Trimmer
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    Does the Swiss voting back door answer this?
    $endgroup$
    – Squeamish Ossifrage
    9 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @SqueamishOssifrage Yes, also a good elaborate example
    $endgroup$
    – WeCanBeFriends
    9 hours ago






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    $begingroup$
    Do you mean NIZKs?
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    – Occams_Trimmer
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Occams_Trimmer I was not being specific, however if you have any insight on NIZK specifics then it would also be helpful
    $endgroup$
    – WeCanBeFriends
    8 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    If interaction is allowed then there are quite a lot of examples: take any language in the classes PZK/SZK/CZK. However, only languages in BPP have NIZK proofs without CRS.
    $endgroup$
    – Occams_Trimmer
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Does the Swiss voting back door answer this?
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@SqueamishOssifrage Yes, also a good elaborate example
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@SqueamishOssifrage Yes, also a good elaborate example
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@Occams_Trimmer I was not being specific, however if you have any insight on NIZK specifics then it would also be helpful
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– WeCanBeFriends
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@Occams_Trimmer I was not being specific, however if you have any insight on NIZK specifics then it would also be helpful
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If interaction is allowed then there are quite a lot of examples: take any language in the classes PZK/SZK/CZK. However, only languages in BPP have NIZK proofs without CRS.
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If interaction is allowed then there are quite a lot of examples: take any language in the classes PZK/SZK/CZK. However, only languages in BPP have NIZK proofs without CRS.
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Any language in the classes PZK (perfect zero-knowledge), SZK (statistical zero-knowledge) or CZK (computational zero-knowledge) have interactive protocols that are zero knowledge and don't require a CRS. Some of the interesting non-trivial languages in these classes are listed below. (I'd also recommend this beautiful survey by Vadhan)



  • PZK: Quadratic residuosity, graph isomorphism

  • SZK: Quadratic non-residuosity, graph non-isomorphism, lattice problems like CVP

  • CZK: Graph coloring (and in fact as Geoffroy points out any language in IP)

However, Oren [O] showed that only languages in BPP have NIZK proofs without CRS. You can find a proof sketch here (Lemma 1).



[O]: Oren. On the cunning power of cheating verifiers: Some observations about zero knowledge proofs (behind a paywall unfortunately).






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    Is Honest-Verifier-Zero-Knowledge in CZK?
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    Since (assuming OWF) CZK = PSPACE = IP, every language that has an interactive proof, zero-knowledge or not, is in CZK.
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    – Geoffroy Couteau
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To complement a bit the answer of Occams_Trimmer: a CRS matters strongly for obtaining zero-knowledge proofs with a small number of rounds and for a large class of languages.



Without a CRS and without restriction on the number of rounds, as Occams_Trigger mentioned, we get the class CZK. This is a very large class: under the minimal assumption that one-way functions exist, it is actually equal to the huge class PSPACE. If we limit our attentions to zero-knowledge proofs with an efficient (polynomial time) prover, then it becomes equivalent to NP (i.e., essentially the class of all languages we care about).



However, without a CRS, it is much harder to get a small number of rounds: assuming only one-way functions, we need a superconstant number of rounds to get zero-knowledge proofs for NP. Assuming further the existence of collision-resistant hash functions, we can build five rounds zero-knowledge proofs for NP. This is essentially the best we can hope for: under black-box simulation, a 4-round zero-knowledge proof for NP would collapse the polynomial hierarchy (but there exists some candidate constructions based on exotic assumptions, such as knowledge-of-exponent assumptions or keyless multi-collision resistant hash functions, with non-black-box simulation). Even with non-black-box simulation, a 3-round ZK proof for NP would break indistinguishability obfuscation. Furthermore, 2-round ZK proofs can simply not exist for languages outside BPP.



In contrast, with a CRS, every language in NP has a non-interactive (1-round) zero-knowledge proof, under standard assumptions (e.g. factorization)






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    Any language in the classes PZK (perfect zero-knowledge), SZK (statistical zero-knowledge) or CZK (computational zero-knowledge) have interactive protocols that are zero knowledge and don't require a CRS. Some of the interesting non-trivial languages in these classes are listed below. (I'd also recommend this beautiful survey by Vadhan)



    • PZK: Quadratic residuosity, graph isomorphism

    • SZK: Quadratic non-residuosity, graph non-isomorphism, lattice problems like CVP

    • CZK: Graph coloring (and in fact as Geoffroy points out any language in IP)

    However, Oren [O] showed that only languages in BPP have NIZK proofs without CRS. You can find a proof sketch here (Lemma 1).



    [O]: Oren. On the cunning power of cheating verifiers: Some observations about zero knowledge proofs (behind a paywall unfortunately).






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      Is Honest-Verifier-Zero-Knowledge in CZK?
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      Since (assuming OWF) CZK = PSPACE = IP, every language that has an interactive proof, zero-knowledge or not, is in CZK.
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      – Geoffroy Couteau
      7 hours ago
















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    $begingroup$

    Any language in the classes PZK (perfect zero-knowledge), SZK (statistical zero-knowledge) or CZK (computational zero-knowledge) have interactive protocols that are zero knowledge and don't require a CRS. Some of the interesting non-trivial languages in these classes are listed below. (I'd also recommend this beautiful survey by Vadhan)



    • PZK: Quadratic residuosity, graph isomorphism

    • SZK: Quadratic non-residuosity, graph non-isomorphism, lattice problems like CVP

    • CZK: Graph coloring (and in fact as Geoffroy points out any language in IP)

    However, Oren [O] showed that only languages in BPP have NIZK proofs without CRS. You can find a proof sketch here (Lemma 1).



    [O]: Oren. On the cunning power of cheating verifiers: Some observations about zero knowledge proofs (behind a paywall unfortunately).






    share|improve this answer











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    • $begingroup$
      Is Honest-Verifier-Zero-Knowledge in CZK?
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      $begingroup$
      Since (assuming OWF) CZK = PSPACE = IP, every language that has an interactive proof, zero-knowledge or not, is in CZK.
      $endgroup$
      – Geoffroy Couteau
      7 hours ago














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    $begingroup$

    Any language in the classes PZK (perfect zero-knowledge), SZK (statistical zero-knowledge) or CZK (computational zero-knowledge) have interactive protocols that are zero knowledge and don't require a CRS. Some of the interesting non-trivial languages in these classes are listed below. (I'd also recommend this beautiful survey by Vadhan)



    • PZK: Quadratic residuosity, graph isomorphism

    • SZK: Quadratic non-residuosity, graph non-isomorphism, lattice problems like CVP

    • CZK: Graph coloring (and in fact as Geoffroy points out any language in IP)

    However, Oren [O] showed that only languages in BPP have NIZK proofs without CRS. You can find a proof sketch here (Lemma 1).



    [O]: Oren. On the cunning power of cheating verifiers: Some observations about zero knowledge proofs (behind a paywall unfortunately).






    share|improve this answer











    $endgroup$



    Any language in the classes PZK (perfect zero-knowledge), SZK (statistical zero-knowledge) or CZK (computational zero-knowledge) have interactive protocols that are zero knowledge and don't require a CRS. Some of the interesting non-trivial languages in these classes are listed below. (I'd also recommend this beautiful survey by Vadhan)



    • PZK: Quadratic residuosity, graph isomorphism

    • SZK: Quadratic non-residuosity, graph non-isomorphism, lattice problems like CVP

    • CZK: Graph coloring (and in fact as Geoffroy points out any language in IP)

    However, Oren [O] showed that only languages in BPP have NIZK proofs without CRS. You can find a proof sketch here (Lemma 1).



    [O]: Oren. On the cunning power of cheating verifiers: Some observations about zero knowledge proofs (behind a paywall unfortunately).







    share|improve this answer














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      Since (assuming OWF) CZK = PSPACE = IP, every language that has an interactive proof, zero-knowledge or not, is in CZK.
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    Is Honest-Verifier-Zero-Knowledge in CZK?
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    $begingroup$
    Since (assuming OWF) CZK = PSPACE = IP, every language that has an interactive proof, zero-knowledge or not, is in CZK.
    $endgroup$
    – Geoffroy Couteau
    7 hours ago





    $begingroup$
    Since (assuming OWF) CZK = PSPACE = IP, every language that has an interactive proof, zero-knowledge or not, is in CZK.
    $endgroup$
    – Geoffroy Couteau
    7 hours ago












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    $begingroup$

    To complement a bit the answer of Occams_Trimmer: a CRS matters strongly for obtaining zero-knowledge proofs with a small number of rounds and for a large class of languages.



    Without a CRS and without restriction on the number of rounds, as Occams_Trigger mentioned, we get the class CZK. This is a very large class: under the minimal assumption that one-way functions exist, it is actually equal to the huge class PSPACE. If we limit our attentions to zero-knowledge proofs with an efficient (polynomial time) prover, then it becomes equivalent to NP (i.e., essentially the class of all languages we care about).



    However, without a CRS, it is much harder to get a small number of rounds: assuming only one-way functions, we need a superconstant number of rounds to get zero-knowledge proofs for NP. Assuming further the existence of collision-resistant hash functions, we can build five rounds zero-knowledge proofs for NP. This is essentially the best we can hope for: under black-box simulation, a 4-round zero-knowledge proof for NP would collapse the polynomial hierarchy (but there exists some candidate constructions based on exotic assumptions, such as knowledge-of-exponent assumptions or keyless multi-collision resistant hash functions, with non-black-box simulation). Even with non-black-box simulation, a 3-round ZK proof for NP would break indistinguishability obfuscation. Furthermore, 2-round ZK proofs can simply not exist for languages outside BPP.



    In contrast, with a CRS, every language in NP has a non-interactive (1-round) zero-knowledge proof, under standard assumptions (e.g. factorization)






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      $begingroup$

      To complement a bit the answer of Occams_Trimmer: a CRS matters strongly for obtaining zero-knowledge proofs with a small number of rounds and for a large class of languages.



      Without a CRS and without restriction on the number of rounds, as Occams_Trigger mentioned, we get the class CZK. This is a very large class: under the minimal assumption that one-way functions exist, it is actually equal to the huge class PSPACE. If we limit our attentions to zero-knowledge proofs with an efficient (polynomial time) prover, then it becomes equivalent to NP (i.e., essentially the class of all languages we care about).



      However, without a CRS, it is much harder to get a small number of rounds: assuming only one-way functions, we need a superconstant number of rounds to get zero-knowledge proofs for NP. Assuming further the existence of collision-resistant hash functions, we can build five rounds zero-knowledge proofs for NP. This is essentially the best we can hope for: under black-box simulation, a 4-round zero-knowledge proof for NP would collapse the polynomial hierarchy (but there exists some candidate constructions based on exotic assumptions, such as knowledge-of-exponent assumptions or keyless multi-collision resistant hash functions, with non-black-box simulation). Even with non-black-box simulation, a 3-round ZK proof for NP would break indistinguishability obfuscation. Furthermore, 2-round ZK proofs can simply not exist for languages outside BPP.



      In contrast, with a CRS, every language in NP has a non-interactive (1-round) zero-knowledge proof, under standard assumptions (e.g. factorization)






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        To complement a bit the answer of Occams_Trimmer: a CRS matters strongly for obtaining zero-knowledge proofs with a small number of rounds and for a large class of languages.



        Without a CRS and without restriction on the number of rounds, as Occams_Trigger mentioned, we get the class CZK. This is a very large class: under the minimal assumption that one-way functions exist, it is actually equal to the huge class PSPACE. If we limit our attentions to zero-knowledge proofs with an efficient (polynomial time) prover, then it becomes equivalent to NP (i.e., essentially the class of all languages we care about).



        However, without a CRS, it is much harder to get a small number of rounds: assuming only one-way functions, we need a superconstant number of rounds to get zero-knowledge proofs for NP. Assuming further the existence of collision-resistant hash functions, we can build five rounds zero-knowledge proofs for NP. This is essentially the best we can hope for: under black-box simulation, a 4-round zero-knowledge proof for NP would collapse the polynomial hierarchy (but there exists some candidate constructions based on exotic assumptions, such as knowledge-of-exponent assumptions or keyless multi-collision resistant hash functions, with non-black-box simulation). Even with non-black-box simulation, a 3-round ZK proof for NP would break indistinguishability obfuscation. Furthermore, 2-round ZK proofs can simply not exist for languages outside BPP.



        In contrast, with a CRS, every language in NP has a non-interactive (1-round) zero-knowledge proof, under standard assumptions (e.g. factorization)






        share|improve this answer









        $endgroup$



        To complement a bit the answer of Occams_Trimmer: a CRS matters strongly for obtaining zero-knowledge proofs with a small number of rounds and for a large class of languages.



        Without a CRS and without restriction on the number of rounds, as Occams_Trigger mentioned, we get the class CZK. This is a very large class: under the minimal assumption that one-way functions exist, it is actually equal to the huge class PSPACE. If we limit our attentions to zero-knowledge proofs with an efficient (polynomial time) prover, then it becomes equivalent to NP (i.e., essentially the class of all languages we care about).



        However, without a CRS, it is much harder to get a small number of rounds: assuming only one-way functions, we need a superconstant number of rounds to get zero-knowledge proofs for NP. Assuming further the existence of collision-resistant hash functions, we can build five rounds zero-knowledge proofs for NP. This is essentially the best we can hope for: under black-box simulation, a 4-round zero-knowledge proof for NP would collapse the polynomial hierarchy (but there exists some candidate constructions based on exotic assumptions, such as knowledge-of-exponent assumptions or keyless multi-collision resistant hash functions, with non-black-box simulation). Even with non-black-box simulation, a 3-round ZK proof for NP would break indistinguishability obfuscation. Furthermore, 2-round ZK proofs can simply not exist for languages outside BPP.



        In contrast, with a CRS, every language in NP has a non-interactive (1-round) zero-knowledge proof, under standard assumptions (e.g. factorization)







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