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Yes, certainly! If your airspeed is lower than the speed of the headwind, the aircraft will fly backwards relative to the ground.
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    Absolutely true. Considering now a takeoff condition the headwind is helpful to provide lift at takeoff, however it might be a very dangerous factor in case of wind shear. Imagine a headwind at takeoff that suddenly stops or changes direction you get into a perilous condition. In case of predictable wind shear conditions the flight is cancelled.
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Yes, I have done this many times in hang gliders, and at least once in a Cessna 152. In the latter case, the wind aloft was much stronger than at the ground-- it would be foolish to take off or even taxi in a ground-level wind strong enough to fly a light plane backwards.



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    Yes. When aloft, an aircraft only cares about how the air is flowing over its wings; how fast the air is moving relative to the ground is irrelevant.






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      Been there, done that. A poorly forecast cold front once had me flying backwards in a Cessna 172 over Altoona, IFR at night. Center asked me several times to verify my heading. Then when it was clear to them, they asked me my intentions. I told them I had lots of fuel and could continue to wait things out for an hour or so. The winds let up in about 20 minutes.



      The controller (and all the other big boys on center frequency) were kind of incredulous. The controller eventually gave me a EFC time, which made sense.



      On that trip the anemometer at Rocky Mount, NC broke at 140 mph, according to FSS. A secondary problem was mountain wave over the Blue Ridge mountains and to a lesser extent over Pennsylvania. That required a block airspace clearance because the updrafts exceeded my descent capability, and the downdrafts far exceeded the climb capability. There was however no problem maintaining the IFR minimum altitudes and the MVA for center.






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        Indeed. When I was a child in the 1960's I was fishing at a bridge off the eastern end of Isla Grande Airport (TJIG) in San Juan, Puerto Rico. I saw a huge, dark and tall column of something turning and churning all the way at the other end of the airport, and flagged down a policeman walking his beat to tell him that I thought it was a fire. His eyes grew huge, grabbed me and ran for safety in the nearby Club Náutico marina building. It was a water spout -- a tornado coming in from San Juan Bay. I clearly remember seeing two aircraft trying to land on runway 27 and ending up flying backwards -- a PRANG Huey helo and a Cessna 172. One of them crashed somewhere else, but I don't remember which one or where. That was a sight I will never forget -- that and the one of my mom frantically looking for me because the spot where I was was now covered in zinc roofing.



        At that same airport, many years later, I witnessed an Aeronca 7AC "Champ" trying to land in a strong headwind and coming to a dead hover over the water close to the runway 9 threshold. Try as he might, the pilot could not make any forward progress -- the engine was not powerful enough to develop enough airspeed. It was a very stupid landing attempt, IMO. He turned west and landed at Arecibo Airport (TJAB). Once the winds calmed he came back.






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          This can happen with a glider (sailplane) winch-launching into a strong wind. Once the glider is airborne, and up into the faster wind, the winch can be slowed to a stop, and even payed-out again. For obvious reasons, this is called 'kiting', or a 'kite launch'. Some pre-planning or radio communication between the winch driver and pilot is useful to get the maximum height out of this manoeuvre.






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          Definition of "fly backward": "tail facing direction of travel".



          Yes, it's possible, even with a fast plane (jet) and light headwind; easier vertically.



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          • "F-22Raptor flies backwards!"


          • "F-22 Raptor Slides Backwards At 2015 Melbourne Air Show"


          • "Sukhoi Su-35S Super-Flanker Extreme Flight Demonstration incl. Insane Kulbit Maneuver!!!"


          • "Full size plane doing 3D" or "Skip Stewart - Entire Performance - Battle Creek 2011"


          • Easier with RC - "Fighter Jet does AMAZING stunts!" or "3D Jet Tail Touch"






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            thanks for your answer. My meaning of 'flying backward' means you have the airspeed and positive airflow but the ground speed is backwards. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, your videos are cool thx!
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            @LeonardTan I hope that your question isn't a duplicate of this with the exception of the difference in speed (zero vs. backwards). Relative velocity but I wanted to clarify (for any naysayers) that I mean moving backwards as opposed to answer at Wikipedia. Glad you enjoyed the videos. I've seen a jet fly 15 feet above the ground forward (slowly) and backwards doing a tail stand but wasn't able to find an example video in the time available.
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          Yes, if there are really strong winds, the aircraft can fly backwards relative to the ground, but never relative to the air. This is because an aircraft always needs a minimum wind flow over its wings in order to keep flying. If it's flying backwards relative to the air, there would be 0 flow or even negative wind flow over the wing.






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            No, I mean that you are aloft, then you have headwind that is greater than the stall speed of the aircraft. You have positive airflow over the wing. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, thanks for trying to help me.
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          No. The question asks "Is it possible to fly a plane backwards...", to which the answer is no, for all conventional aircraft (those that depend on airflow over the wing). Every answer including the word "yes" then goes on to talk about motion over the ground. Why? The aircraft is flying through the air and has absolutely no relation to the ground. The question did not ask about ground motion.



          For anything flying in a steady wind, there is no such thing as wind. It is impossible for the aircraft to be affected by the wind, nor for any person or device in that aircraft to detect that wind, without an external frame of reference (observing ground motion, navigation equipment, stars...). The ground is moving relative to your flight path, yes, but you're not on the ground.



          In a steady wind: You are flying in still air. The still air in which you are flying, is moving over the ground.






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            Normally you want to fly from point A to point B, flying backward in the question, obviously means moving away instead of getting closer to the destination, and this is true.
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            The term headwind implies ground as reference.
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            @a.out yes you are right. In the terms of headwind is that there is no relationship to the ground.
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          Yes, certainly! If your airspeed is lower than the speed of the headwind, the aircraft will fly backwards relative to the ground.
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          • from cockpit

          However, note that headwind cannot cause a plane to fly backwards through the surrounding air. Constant wind does not affect airspeed.






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            Absolutely true. Considering now a takeoff condition the headwind is helpful to provide lift at takeoff, however it might be a very dangerous factor in case of wind shear. Imagine a headwind at takeoff that suddenly stops or changes direction you get into a perilous condition. In case of predictable wind shear conditions the flight is cancelled.
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          Yes, certainly! If your airspeed is lower than the speed of the headwind, the aircraft will fly backwards relative to the ground.
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            Absolutely true. Considering now a takeoff condition the headwind is helpful to provide lift at takeoff, however it might be a very dangerous factor in case of wind shear. Imagine a headwind at takeoff that suddenly stops or changes direction you get into a perilous condition. In case of predictable wind shear conditions the flight is cancelled.
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          Yes, certainly! If your airspeed is lower than the speed of the headwind, the aircraft will fly backwards relative to the ground.
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            Absolutely true. Considering now a takeoff condition the headwind is helpful to provide lift at takeoff, however it might be a very dangerous factor in case of wind shear. Imagine a headwind at takeoff that suddenly stops or changes direction you get into a perilous condition. In case of predictable wind shear conditions the flight is cancelled.
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            Absolutely true. Considering now a takeoff condition the headwind is helpful to provide lift at takeoff, however it might be a very dangerous factor in case of wind shear. Imagine a headwind at takeoff that suddenly stops or changes direction you get into a perilous condition. In case of predictable wind shear conditions the flight is cancelled.
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          Absolutely true. Considering now a takeoff condition the headwind is helpful to provide lift at takeoff, however it might be a very dangerous factor in case of wind shear. Imagine a headwind at takeoff that suddenly stops or changes direction you get into a perilous condition. In case of predictable wind shear conditions the flight is cancelled.
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          Yes, I have done this many times in hang gliders, and at least once in a Cessna 152. In the latter case, the wind aloft was much stronger than at the ground-- it would be foolish to take off or even taxi in a ground-level wind strong enough to fly a light plane backwards.



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            Yes, I have done this many times in hang gliders, and at least once in a Cessna 152. In the latter case, the wind aloft was much stronger than at the ground-- it would be foolish to take off or even taxi in a ground-level wind strong enough to fly a light plane backwards.



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              Yes, I have done this many times in hang gliders, and at least once in a Cessna 152. In the latter case, the wind aloft was much stronger than at the ground-- it would be foolish to take off or even taxi in a ground-level wind strong enough to fly a light plane backwards.



              You may enjoy this video of flight at zero groundspeed (not me!) --






              Only marine air produces a smooth enough airflow to allow smooth flight near the ground in wind this strong.






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              Yes, I have done this many times in hang gliders, and at least once in a Cessna 152. In the latter case, the wind aloft was much stronger than at the ground-- it would be foolish to take off or even taxi in a ground-level wind strong enough to fly a light plane backwards.



              You may enjoy this video of flight at zero groundspeed (not me!) --






              Only marine air produces a smooth enough airflow to allow smooth flight near the ground in wind this strong.















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                  Yes. When aloft, an aircraft only cares about how the air is flowing over its wings; how fast the air is moving relative to the ground is irrelevant.






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                    Yes. When aloft, an aircraft only cares about how the air is flowing over its wings; how fast the air is moving relative to the ground is irrelevant.






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                      Yes. When aloft, an aircraft only cares about how the air is flowing over its wings; how fast the air is moving relative to the ground is irrelevant.






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                          Been there, done that. A poorly forecast cold front once had me flying backwards in a Cessna 172 over Altoona, IFR at night. Center asked me several times to verify my heading. Then when it was clear to them, they asked me my intentions. I told them I had lots of fuel and could continue to wait things out for an hour or so. The winds let up in about 20 minutes.



                          The controller (and all the other big boys on center frequency) were kind of incredulous. The controller eventually gave me a EFC time, which made sense.



                          On that trip the anemometer at Rocky Mount, NC broke at 140 mph, according to FSS. A secondary problem was mountain wave over the Blue Ridge mountains and to a lesser extent over Pennsylvania. That required a block airspace clearance because the updrafts exceeded my descent capability, and the downdrafts far exceeded the climb capability. There was however no problem maintaining the IFR minimum altitudes and the MVA for center.






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                            Been there, done that. A poorly forecast cold front once had me flying backwards in a Cessna 172 over Altoona, IFR at night. Center asked me several times to verify my heading. Then when it was clear to them, they asked me my intentions. I told them I had lots of fuel and could continue to wait things out for an hour or so. The winds let up in about 20 minutes.



                            The controller (and all the other big boys on center frequency) were kind of incredulous. The controller eventually gave me a EFC time, which made sense.



                            On that trip the anemometer at Rocky Mount, NC broke at 140 mph, according to FSS. A secondary problem was mountain wave over the Blue Ridge mountains and to a lesser extent over Pennsylvania. That required a block airspace clearance because the updrafts exceeded my descent capability, and the downdrafts far exceeded the climb capability. There was however no problem maintaining the IFR minimum altitudes and the MVA for center.






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                              Been there, done that. A poorly forecast cold front once had me flying backwards in a Cessna 172 over Altoona, IFR at night. Center asked me several times to verify my heading. Then when it was clear to them, they asked me my intentions. I told them I had lots of fuel and could continue to wait things out for an hour or so. The winds let up in about 20 minutes.



                              The controller (and all the other big boys on center frequency) were kind of incredulous. The controller eventually gave me a EFC time, which made sense.



                              On that trip the anemometer at Rocky Mount, NC broke at 140 mph, according to FSS. A secondary problem was mountain wave over the Blue Ridge mountains and to a lesser extent over Pennsylvania. That required a block airspace clearance because the updrafts exceeded my descent capability, and the downdrafts far exceeded the climb capability. There was however no problem maintaining the IFR minimum altitudes and the MVA for center.






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                              Been there, done that. A poorly forecast cold front once had me flying backwards in a Cessna 172 over Altoona, IFR at night. Center asked me several times to verify my heading. Then when it was clear to them, they asked me my intentions. I told them I had lots of fuel and could continue to wait things out for an hour or so. The winds let up in about 20 minutes.



                              The controller (and all the other big boys on center frequency) were kind of incredulous. The controller eventually gave me a EFC time, which made sense.



                              On that trip the anemometer at Rocky Mount, NC broke at 140 mph, according to FSS. A secondary problem was mountain wave over the Blue Ridge mountains and to a lesser extent over Pennsylvania. That required a block airspace clearance because the updrafts exceeded my descent capability, and the downdrafts far exceeded the climb capability. There was however no problem maintaining the IFR minimum altitudes and the MVA for center.







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                                  Indeed. When I was a child in the 1960's I was fishing at a bridge off the eastern end of Isla Grande Airport (TJIG) in San Juan, Puerto Rico. I saw a huge, dark and tall column of something turning and churning all the way at the other end of the airport, and flagged down a policeman walking his beat to tell him that I thought it was a fire. His eyes grew huge, grabbed me and ran for safety in the nearby Club Náutico marina building. It was a water spout -- a tornado coming in from San Juan Bay. I clearly remember seeing two aircraft trying to land on runway 27 and ending up flying backwards -- a PRANG Huey helo and a Cessna 172. One of them crashed somewhere else, but I don't remember which one or where. That was a sight I will never forget -- that and the one of my mom frantically looking for me because the spot where I was was now covered in zinc roofing.



                                  At that same airport, many years later, I witnessed an Aeronca 7AC "Champ" trying to land in a strong headwind and coming to a dead hover over the water close to the runway 9 threshold. Try as he might, the pilot could not make any forward progress -- the engine was not powerful enough to develop enough airspeed. It was a very stupid landing attempt, IMO. He turned west and landed at Arecibo Airport (TJAB). Once the winds calmed he came back.






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                                    Indeed. When I was a child in the 1960's I was fishing at a bridge off the eastern end of Isla Grande Airport (TJIG) in San Juan, Puerto Rico. I saw a huge, dark and tall column of something turning and churning all the way at the other end of the airport, and flagged down a policeman walking his beat to tell him that I thought it was a fire. His eyes grew huge, grabbed me and ran for safety in the nearby Club Náutico marina building. It was a water spout -- a tornado coming in from San Juan Bay. I clearly remember seeing two aircraft trying to land on runway 27 and ending up flying backwards -- a PRANG Huey helo and a Cessna 172. One of them crashed somewhere else, but I don't remember which one or where. That was a sight I will never forget -- that and the one of my mom frantically looking for me because the spot where I was was now covered in zinc roofing.



                                    At that same airport, many years later, I witnessed an Aeronca 7AC "Champ" trying to land in a strong headwind and coming to a dead hover over the water close to the runway 9 threshold. Try as he might, the pilot could not make any forward progress -- the engine was not powerful enough to develop enough airspeed. It was a very stupid landing attempt, IMO. He turned west and landed at Arecibo Airport (TJAB). Once the winds calmed he came back.






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                                      Indeed. When I was a child in the 1960's I was fishing at a bridge off the eastern end of Isla Grande Airport (TJIG) in San Juan, Puerto Rico. I saw a huge, dark and tall column of something turning and churning all the way at the other end of the airport, and flagged down a policeman walking his beat to tell him that I thought it was a fire. His eyes grew huge, grabbed me and ran for safety in the nearby Club Náutico marina building. It was a water spout -- a tornado coming in from San Juan Bay. I clearly remember seeing two aircraft trying to land on runway 27 and ending up flying backwards -- a PRANG Huey helo and a Cessna 172. One of them crashed somewhere else, but I don't remember which one or where. That was a sight I will never forget -- that and the one of my mom frantically looking for me because the spot where I was was now covered in zinc roofing.



                                      At that same airport, many years later, I witnessed an Aeronca 7AC "Champ" trying to land in a strong headwind and coming to a dead hover over the water close to the runway 9 threshold. Try as he might, the pilot could not make any forward progress -- the engine was not powerful enough to develop enough airspeed. It was a very stupid landing attempt, IMO. He turned west and landed at Arecibo Airport (TJAB). Once the winds calmed he came back.






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                                      Indeed. When I was a child in the 1960's I was fishing at a bridge off the eastern end of Isla Grande Airport (TJIG) in San Juan, Puerto Rico. I saw a huge, dark and tall column of something turning and churning all the way at the other end of the airport, and flagged down a policeman walking his beat to tell him that I thought it was a fire. His eyes grew huge, grabbed me and ran for safety in the nearby Club Náutico marina building. It was a water spout -- a tornado coming in from San Juan Bay. I clearly remember seeing two aircraft trying to land on runway 27 and ending up flying backwards -- a PRANG Huey helo and a Cessna 172. One of them crashed somewhere else, but I don't remember which one or where. That was a sight I will never forget -- that and the one of my mom frantically looking for me because the spot where I was was now covered in zinc roofing.



                                      At that same airport, many years later, I witnessed an Aeronca 7AC "Champ" trying to land in a strong headwind and coming to a dead hover over the water close to the runway 9 threshold. Try as he might, the pilot could not make any forward progress -- the engine was not powerful enough to develop enough airspeed. It was a very stupid landing attempt, IMO. He turned west and landed at Arecibo Airport (TJAB). Once the winds calmed he came back.







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                                          This can happen with a glider (sailplane) winch-launching into a strong wind. Once the glider is airborne, and up into the faster wind, the winch can be slowed to a stop, and even payed-out again. For obvious reasons, this is called 'kiting', or a 'kite launch'. Some pre-planning or radio communication between the winch driver and pilot is useful to get the maximum height out of this manoeuvre.






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                                            I tried that once (winch launch in strong winds), miscalculated when returning and darn near landed in the trees just before the field threshold.
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                                          This can happen with a glider (sailplane) winch-launching into a strong wind. Once the glider is airborne, and up into the faster wind, the winch can be slowed to a stop, and even payed-out again. For obvious reasons, this is called 'kiting', or a 'kite launch'. Some pre-planning or radio communication between the winch driver and pilot is useful to get the maximum height out of this manoeuvre.






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                                            I tried that once (winch launch in strong winds), miscalculated when returning and darn near landed in the trees just before the field threshold.
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                                          This can happen with a glider (sailplane) winch-launching into a strong wind. Once the glider is airborne, and up into the faster wind, the winch can be slowed to a stop, and even payed-out again. For obvious reasons, this is called 'kiting', or a 'kite launch'. Some pre-planning or radio communication between the winch driver and pilot is useful to get the maximum height out of this manoeuvre.






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                                          This can happen with a glider (sailplane) winch-launching into a strong wind. Once the glider is airborne, and up into the faster wind, the winch can be slowed to a stop, and even payed-out again. For obvious reasons, this is called 'kiting', or a 'kite launch'. Some pre-planning or radio communication between the winch driver and pilot is useful to get the maximum height out of this manoeuvre.







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                                          Is it possible to fly a plane backwards if you have really really strong headwind




                                          Definition of "fly backward": "tail facing direction of travel".



                                          Yes, it's possible, even with a fast plane (jet) and light headwind; easier vertically.



                                          Proof:



                                          • "F-22Raptor flies backwards!"


                                          • "F-22 Raptor Slides Backwards At 2015 Melbourne Air Show"


                                          • "Sukhoi Su-35S Super-Flanker Extreme Flight Demonstration incl. Insane Kulbit Maneuver!!!"


                                          • "Full size plane doing 3D" or "Skip Stewart - Entire Performance - Battle Creek 2011"


                                          • Easier with RC - "Fighter Jet does AMAZING stunts!" or "3D Jet Tail Touch"






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                                            thanks for your answer. My meaning of 'flying backward' means you have the airspeed and positive airflow but the ground speed is backwards. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, your videos are cool thx!
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                                            @LeonardTan I hope that your question isn't a duplicate of this with the exception of the difference in speed (zero vs. backwards). Relative velocity but I wanted to clarify (for any naysayers) that I mean moving backwards as opposed to answer at Wikipedia. Glad you enjoyed the videos. I've seen a jet fly 15 feet above the ground forward (slowly) and backwards doing a tail stand but wasn't able to find an example video in the time available.
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                                          Is it possible to fly a plane backwards if you have really really strong headwind




                                          Definition of "fly backward": "tail facing direction of travel".



                                          Yes, it's possible, even with a fast plane (jet) and light headwind; easier vertically.



                                          Proof:



                                          • "F-22Raptor flies backwards!"


                                          • "F-22 Raptor Slides Backwards At 2015 Melbourne Air Show"


                                          • "Sukhoi Su-35S Super-Flanker Extreme Flight Demonstration incl. Insane Kulbit Maneuver!!!"


                                          • "Full size plane doing 3D" or "Skip Stewart - Entire Performance - Battle Creek 2011"


                                          • Easier with RC - "Fighter Jet does AMAZING stunts!" or "3D Jet Tail Touch"






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                                            thanks for your answer. My meaning of 'flying backward' means you have the airspeed and positive airflow but the ground speed is backwards. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, your videos are cool thx!
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                                            @LeonardTan I hope that your question isn't a duplicate of this with the exception of the difference in speed (zero vs. backwards). Relative velocity but I wanted to clarify (for any naysayers) that I mean moving backwards as opposed to answer at Wikipedia. Glad you enjoyed the videos. I've seen a jet fly 15 feet above the ground forward (slowly) and backwards doing a tail stand but wasn't able to find an example video in the time available.
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                                          Is it possible to fly a plane backwards if you have really really strong headwind




                                          Definition of "fly backward": "tail facing direction of travel".



                                          Yes, it's possible, even with a fast plane (jet) and light headwind; easier vertically.



                                          Proof:



                                          • "F-22Raptor flies backwards!"


                                          • "F-22 Raptor Slides Backwards At 2015 Melbourne Air Show"


                                          • "Sukhoi Su-35S Super-Flanker Extreme Flight Demonstration incl. Insane Kulbit Maneuver!!!"


                                          • "Full size plane doing 3D" or "Skip Stewart - Entire Performance - Battle Creek 2011"


                                          • Easier with RC - "Fighter Jet does AMAZING stunts!" or "3D Jet Tail Touch"






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                                          Is it possible to fly a plane backwards if you have really really strong headwind




                                          Definition of "fly backward": "tail facing direction of travel".



                                          Yes, it's possible, even with a fast plane (jet) and light headwind; easier vertically.



                                          Proof:



                                          • "F-22Raptor flies backwards!"


                                          • "F-22 Raptor Slides Backwards At 2015 Melbourne Air Show"


                                          • "Sukhoi Su-35S Super-Flanker Extreme Flight Demonstration incl. Insane Kulbit Maneuver!!!"


                                          • "Full size plane doing 3D" or "Skip Stewart - Entire Performance - Battle Creek 2011"


                                          • Easier with RC - "Fighter Jet does AMAZING stunts!" or "3D Jet Tail Touch"







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                                            thanks for your answer. My meaning of 'flying backward' means you have the airspeed and positive airflow but the ground speed is backwards. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, your videos are cool thx!
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                                            @LeonardTan I hope that your question isn't a duplicate of this with the exception of the difference in speed (zero vs. backwards). Relative velocity but I wanted to clarify (for any naysayers) that I mean moving backwards as opposed to answer at Wikipedia. Glad you enjoyed the videos. I've seen a jet fly 15 feet above the ground forward (slowly) and backwards doing a tail stand but wasn't able to find an example video in the time available.
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                                            thanks for your answer. My meaning of 'flying backward' means you have the airspeed and positive airflow but the ground speed is backwards. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, your videos are cool thx!
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                                            @LeonardTan I hope that your question isn't a duplicate of this with the exception of the difference in speed (zero vs. backwards). Relative velocity but I wanted to clarify (for any naysayers) that I mean moving backwards as opposed to answer at Wikipedia. Glad you enjoyed the videos. I've seen a jet fly 15 feet above the ground forward (slowly) and backwards doing a tail stand but wasn't able to find an example video in the time available.
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                                          thanks for your answer. My meaning of 'flying backward' means you have the airspeed and positive airflow but the ground speed is backwards. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, your videos are cool thx!
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                                          – Leonard Tan
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                                          thanks for your answer. My meaning of 'flying backward' means you have the airspeed and positive airflow but the ground speed is backwards. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, your videos are cool thx!
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                                          @LeonardTan I hope that your question isn't a duplicate of this with the exception of the difference in speed (zero vs. backwards). Relative velocity but I wanted to clarify (for any naysayers) that I mean moving backwards as opposed to answer at Wikipedia. Glad you enjoyed the videos. I've seen a jet fly 15 feet above the ground forward (slowly) and backwards doing a tail stand but wasn't able to find an example video in the time available.
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                                          @LeonardTan I hope that your question isn't a duplicate of this with the exception of the difference in speed (zero vs. backwards). Relative velocity but I wanted to clarify (for any naysayers) that I mean moving backwards as opposed to answer at Wikipedia. Glad you enjoyed the videos. I've seen a jet fly 15 feet above the ground forward (slowly) and backwards doing a tail stand but wasn't able to find an example video in the time available.
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                                          Yes, if there are really strong winds, the aircraft can fly backwards relative to the ground, but never relative to the air. This is because an aircraft always needs a minimum wind flow over its wings in order to keep flying. If it's flying backwards relative to the air, there would be 0 flow or even negative wind flow over the wing.






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                                            No, I mean that you are aloft, then you have headwind that is greater than the stall speed of the aircraft. You have positive airflow over the wing. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, thanks for trying to help me.
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                                          Yes, if there are really strong winds, the aircraft can fly backwards relative to the ground, but never relative to the air. This is because an aircraft always needs a minimum wind flow over its wings in order to keep flying. If it's flying backwards relative to the air, there would be 0 flow or even negative wind flow over the wing.






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                                            No, I mean that you are aloft, then you have headwind that is greater than the stall speed of the aircraft. You have positive airflow over the wing. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, thanks for trying to help me.
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                                          Yes, if there are really strong winds, the aircraft can fly backwards relative to the ground, but never relative to the air. This is because an aircraft always needs a minimum wind flow over its wings in order to keep flying. If it's flying backwards relative to the air, there would be 0 flow or even negative wind flow over the wing.






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                                          Yes, if there are really strong winds, the aircraft can fly backwards relative to the ground, but never relative to the air. This is because an aircraft always needs a minimum wind flow over its wings in order to keep flying. If it's flying backwards relative to the air, there would be 0 flow or even negative wind flow over the wing.







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                                            No, I mean that you are aloft, then you have headwind that is greater than the stall speed of the aircraft. You have positive airflow over the wing. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, thanks for trying to help me.
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                                            No, I mean that you are aloft, then you have headwind that is greater than the stall speed of the aircraft. You have positive airflow over the wing. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, thanks for trying to help me.
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                                          No, I mean that you are aloft, then you have headwind that is greater than the stall speed of the aircraft. You have positive airflow over the wing. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, thanks for trying to help me.
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                                          No, I mean that you are aloft, then you have headwind that is greater than the stall speed of the aircraft. You have positive airflow over the wing. Please check the meaning of 'airspeed' and 'ground speed' in aviation. But anyways, thanks for trying to help me.
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                                          No. The question asks "Is it possible to fly a plane backwards...", to which the answer is no, for all conventional aircraft (those that depend on airflow over the wing). Every answer including the word "yes" then goes on to talk about motion over the ground. Why? The aircraft is flying through the air and has absolutely no relation to the ground. The question did not ask about ground motion.



                                          For anything flying in a steady wind, there is no such thing as wind. It is impossible for the aircraft to be affected by the wind, nor for any person or device in that aircraft to detect that wind, without an external frame of reference (observing ground motion, navigation equipment, stars...). The ground is moving relative to your flight path, yes, but you're not on the ground.



                                          In a steady wind: You are flying in still air. The still air in which you are flying, is moving over the ground.






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                                            Normally you want to fly from point A to point B, flying backward in the question, obviously means moving away instead of getting closer to the destination, and this is true.
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                                            – user40476
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                                            The term headwind implies ground as reference.
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                                            – bogl
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                                            @a.out yes you are right. In the terms of headwind is that there is no relationship to the ground.
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                                          No. The question asks "Is it possible to fly a plane backwards...", to which the answer is no, for all conventional aircraft (those that depend on airflow over the wing). Every answer including the word "yes" then goes on to talk about motion over the ground. Why? The aircraft is flying through the air and has absolutely no relation to the ground. The question did not ask about ground motion.



                                          For anything flying in a steady wind, there is no such thing as wind. It is impossible for the aircraft to be affected by the wind, nor for any person or device in that aircraft to detect that wind, without an external frame of reference (observing ground motion, navigation equipment, stars...). The ground is moving relative to your flight path, yes, but you're not on the ground.



                                          In a steady wind: You are flying in still air. The still air in which you are flying, is moving over the ground.






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                                            $begingroup$
                                            Normally you want to fly from point A to point B, flying backward in the question, obviously means moving away instead of getting closer to the destination, and this is true.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – user40476
                                            7 hours ago






                                          • 2




                                            $begingroup$
                                            The term headwind implies ground as reference.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – bogl
                                            7 hours ago










                                          • $begingroup$
                                            @a.out yes you are right. In the terms of headwind is that there is no relationship to the ground.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – Leonard Tan
                                            1 hour ago













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                                          -2





                                          $begingroup$

                                          No. The question asks "Is it possible to fly a plane backwards...", to which the answer is no, for all conventional aircraft (those that depend on airflow over the wing). Every answer including the word "yes" then goes on to talk about motion over the ground. Why? The aircraft is flying through the air and has absolutely no relation to the ground. The question did not ask about ground motion.



                                          For anything flying in a steady wind, there is no such thing as wind. It is impossible for the aircraft to be affected by the wind, nor for any person or device in that aircraft to detect that wind, without an external frame of reference (observing ground motion, navigation equipment, stars...). The ground is moving relative to your flight path, yes, but you're not on the ground.



                                          In a steady wind: You are flying in still air. The still air in which you are flying, is moving over the ground.






                                          share|improve this answer









                                          $endgroup$



                                          No. The question asks "Is it possible to fly a plane backwards...", to which the answer is no, for all conventional aircraft (those that depend on airflow over the wing). Every answer including the word "yes" then goes on to talk about motion over the ground. Why? The aircraft is flying through the air and has absolutely no relation to the ground. The question did not ask about ground motion.



                                          For anything flying in a steady wind, there is no such thing as wind. It is impossible for the aircraft to be affected by the wind, nor for any person or device in that aircraft to detect that wind, without an external frame of reference (observing ground motion, navigation equipment, stars...). The ground is moving relative to your flight path, yes, but you're not on the ground.



                                          In a steady wind: You are flying in still air. The still air in which you are flying, is moving over the ground.







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                                            $begingroup$
                                            Normally you want to fly from point A to point B, flying backward in the question, obviously means moving away instead of getting closer to the destination, and this is true.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – user40476
                                            7 hours ago






                                          • 2




                                            $begingroup$
                                            The term headwind implies ground as reference.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – bogl
                                            7 hours ago










                                          • $begingroup$
                                            @a.out yes you are right. In the terms of headwind is that there is no relationship to the ground.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – Leonard Tan
                                            1 hour ago












                                          • 1




                                            $begingroup$
                                            Normally you want to fly from point A to point B, flying backward in the question, obviously means moving away instead of getting closer to the destination, and this is true.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – user40476
                                            7 hours ago






                                          • 2




                                            $begingroup$
                                            The term headwind implies ground as reference.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – bogl
                                            7 hours ago










                                          • $begingroup$
                                            @a.out yes you are right. In the terms of headwind is that there is no relationship to the ground.
                                            $endgroup$
                                            – Leonard Tan
                                            1 hour ago







                                          1




                                          1




                                          $begingroup$
                                          Normally you want to fly from point A to point B, flying backward in the question, obviously means moving away instead of getting closer to the destination, and this is true.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – user40476
                                          7 hours ago




                                          $begingroup$
                                          Normally you want to fly from point A to point B, flying backward in the question, obviously means moving away instead of getting closer to the destination, and this is true.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – user40476
                                          7 hours ago




                                          2




                                          2




                                          $begingroup$
                                          The term headwind implies ground as reference.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – bogl
                                          7 hours ago




                                          $begingroup$
                                          The term headwind implies ground as reference.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – bogl
                                          7 hours ago












                                          $begingroup$
                                          @a.out yes you are right. In the terms of headwind is that there is no relationship to the ground.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – Leonard Tan
                                          1 hour ago




                                          $begingroup$
                                          @a.out yes you are right. In the terms of headwind is that there is no relationship to the ground.
                                          $endgroup$
                                          – Leonard Tan
                                          1 hour ago

















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