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It would seem that most people who are born will eventually enter the workforce. Maybe that entry is delayed due to college or enlistment or that very important backpacking trip through Europe, but it seems that most people born will eventually get hired somewhere.



So when you hear that the economy added less than 200k jobs, but over 300k people entered the labor pool, that we've really got 100k more unemployed people? It doesn't seem like anything less than 300k job is even breaking even against population growth. What am I missing here?










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    People die. It's true.

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It would seem that most people who are born will eventually enter the workforce. Maybe that entry is delayed due to college or enlistment or that very important backpacking trip through Europe, but it seems that most people born will eventually get hired somewhere.



So when you hear that the economy added less than 200k jobs, but over 300k people entered the labor pool, that we've really got 100k more unemployed people? It doesn't seem like anything less than 300k job is even breaking even against population growth. What am I missing here?










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    People die. It's true.

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It would seem that most people who are born will eventually enter the workforce. Maybe that entry is delayed due to college or enlistment or that very important backpacking trip through Europe, but it seems that most people born will eventually get hired somewhere.



So when you hear that the economy added less than 200k jobs, but over 300k people entered the labor pool, that we've really got 100k more unemployed people? It doesn't seem like anything less than 300k job is even breaking even against population growth. What am I missing here?










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It would seem that most people who are born will eventually enter the workforce. Maybe that entry is delayed due to college or enlistment or that very important backpacking trip through Europe, but it seems that most people born will eventually get hired somewhere.



So when you hear that the economy added less than 200k jobs, but over 300k people entered the labor pool, that we've really got 100k more unemployed people? It doesn't seem like anything less than 300k job is even breaking even against population growth. What am I missing here?







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    People die. It's true.

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People die. It's true.

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People die. It's true.

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I don't really understand how this question got so many upvotes when it is failing to take into account the obvious factor of the rate at which people leave the labor force. This is not a good question. At all.

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The obvious answer is that people get older and (presumably, hopefully) retire from the workforce.



If your country's demographic is otherwise more or less stable, it means that by the time those 300,000 people age up to enter the work force, a similar number of people retire from the work force and hopefully live on their pension plan.






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    +1, though we've also got an aging population. Figure 1 shows US population growth was largest ~1950 and 1965, which corresponds to folks between the ages of 55 and 70

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    It's normally not true that the population retiring is similar to that entering the workforce (most country's population grows over time, the U.S. being no exception,) but this is still the right answer. Even if only 200,000 people retire for every 300,000 entering the workforce, 200,000 new jobs still means that unemployment drops by 100,000.

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    @reirab Yeah, the full answer would be significantly more complex but you'd need to study more economics than I have to understand it, let alone write it...

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    Or more analogously to the "300k births" number, there are also 230k deaths per month. So anything above about 70k new jobs per month is a surplus. (I know this is a vast oversimplification)

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    @reirab: if you (or others) want to look at how such an analysis is done, here's one for the adjusted job gap after the Great Recession (the gap was only closed in 2017 after 89 months since the recession). Job losses in the Recession were 8.5 million, but these were adjusted to 10 million to compensate for population growth. hamiltonproject.org/papers/…

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In addition to the answer above, it should also be noted that jobs aren't just something that exist independent of people. The only reason that jobs exist is that people create the need for jobs, so more people means more jobs.






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    "300k people entered the labor pool" and "300k+ births a month" are very different things.



    You can get to 300k new people in labor pool, if you have 150k people reaching employment age, and 150k of previously long-term unemployed people (excluded from the labor pool by labor statistics bureau) started looking for a job (because they decided such with low unemployment, they have chance to get the job even if they could not get it before).



    And to get to 150k people reaching employment age you need more that 150k births, 20 years earlier.



    We have no idea how many jobs will be available 20 years from now for people born now. It could be singularity and robots will do all the work. Or climate collapse could start WW3.



    And then there is immigration, legal and illegal.






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      In addition to other answers. (+1 to Kloddant).



      Note newborns will only enter the labor market after 20 years or more. The economy is supposed to grow (even when the population is stable) a lot in that time frame, so by the time anybody born today ends college the new jobs increase ratios is supposed to be a lot higher than today.
      Of course, no one can give us a real number of new jobs created for 2039. But we hope it will be more than 300k.






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        yes, but with automation the economy (=GDP) can grow while jobs shrink at the same time.

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      • But the people entering the job market now correspond to births 20ish years ago, and he's assuming the birth rate was roughly comparable then.

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      • @Fizz There are lots of things to consider. Someone talked about immigration, for example, but that is peanuts compared to job migration (when you close a facility in Europe to reopen another in Asia). Analysts try to extrapolate all those graphs and that's why you cannot correlate today birth rate with today jobs increase rate. In fact, if jobs increase rate was as big as birth rate that can mean you really need immigrants and automation badly.

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      • That might happen even without automation; South Africa is an example economist.com/special-report/2010/06/03/jobless-growth

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      • and also India, but a shorter time frame qz.com/india/1115328/…

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      "On average, 205,300 jobs need to be created every month just to keep up with population growth"




      per Business Insider Aug 2016.



      Their article appears to be an analysis of this issue, however I will leave it to the reader to debate the accuracy and/or validity of the conclusion. If the analysis was valid in 2016, I would think that it is equally valid 2.5 years later.






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        The obvious answer is that people get older and (presumably, hopefully) retire from the workforce.



        If your country's demographic is otherwise more or less stable, it means that by the time those 300,000 people age up to enter the work force, a similar number of people retire from the work force and hopefully live on their pension plan.






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          +1, though we've also got an aging population. Figure 1 shows US population growth was largest ~1950 and 1965, which corresponds to folks between the ages of 55 and 70

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          It's normally not true that the population retiring is similar to that entering the workforce (most country's population grows over time, the U.S. being no exception,) but this is still the right answer. Even if only 200,000 people retire for every 300,000 entering the workforce, 200,000 new jobs still means that unemployment drops by 100,000.

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          @reirab Yeah, the full answer would be significantly more complex but you'd need to study more economics than I have to understand it, let alone write it...

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          Or more analogously to the "300k births" number, there are also 230k deaths per month. So anything above about 70k new jobs per month is a surplus. (I know this is a vast oversimplification)

          – MooseBoys
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          @reirab: if you (or others) want to look at how such an analysis is done, here's one for the adjusted job gap after the Great Recession (the gap was only closed in 2017 after 89 months since the recession). Job losses in the Recession were 8.5 million, but these were adjusted to 10 million to compensate for population growth. hamiltonproject.org/papers/…

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        The obvious answer is that people get older and (presumably, hopefully) retire from the workforce.



        If your country's demographic is otherwise more or less stable, it means that by the time those 300,000 people age up to enter the work force, a similar number of people retire from the work force and hopefully live on their pension plan.






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          +1, though we've also got an aging population. Figure 1 shows US population growth was largest ~1950 and 1965, which corresponds to folks between the ages of 55 and 70

          – Punintended
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          It's normally not true that the population retiring is similar to that entering the workforce (most country's population grows over time, the U.S. being no exception,) but this is still the right answer. Even if only 200,000 people retire for every 300,000 entering the workforce, 200,000 new jobs still means that unemployment drops by 100,000.

          – reirab
          7 hours ago






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          @reirab Yeah, the full answer would be significantly more complex but you'd need to study more economics than I have to understand it, let alone write it...

          – Shadur
          7 hours ago






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          Or more analogously to the "300k births" number, there are also 230k deaths per month. So anything above about 70k new jobs per month is a surplus. (I know this is a vast oversimplification)

          – MooseBoys
          7 hours ago






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          @reirab: if you (or others) want to look at how such an analysis is done, here's one for the adjusted job gap after the Great Recession (the gap was only closed in 2017 after 89 months since the recession). Job losses in the Recession were 8.5 million, but these were adjusted to 10 million to compensate for population growth. hamiltonproject.org/papers/…

          – Fizz
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        The obvious answer is that people get older and (presumably, hopefully) retire from the workforce.



        If your country's demographic is otherwise more or less stable, it means that by the time those 300,000 people age up to enter the work force, a similar number of people retire from the work force and hopefully live on their pension plan.






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        The obvious answer is that people get older and (presumably, hopefully) retire from the workforce.



        If your country's demographic is otherwise more or less stable, it means that by the time those 300,000 people age up to enter the work force, a similar number of people retire from the work force and hopefully live on their pension plan.







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          +1, though we've also got an aging population. Figure 1 shows US population growth was largest ~1950 and 1965, which corresponds to folks between the ages of 55 and 70

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          It's normally not true that the population retiring is similar to that entering the workforce (most country's population grows over time, the U.S. being no exception,) but this is still the right answer. Even if only 200,000 people retire for every 300,000 entering the workforce, 200,000 new jobs still means that unemployment drops by 100,000.

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          @reirab Yeah, the full answer would be significantly more complex but you'd need to study more economics than I have to understand it, let alone write it...

          – Shadur
          7 hours ago






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          Or more analogously to the "300k births" number, there are also 230k deaths per month. So anything above about 70k new jobs per month is a surplus. (I know this is a vast oversimplification)

          – MooseBoys
          7 hours ago






        • 3





          @reirab: if you (or others) want to look at how such an analysis is done, here's one for the adjusted job gap after the Great Recession (the gap was only closed in 2017 after 89 months since the recession). Job losses in the Recession were 8.5 million, but these were adjusted to 10 million to compensate for population growth. hamiltonproject.org/papers/…

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          +1, though we've also got an aging population. Figure 1 shows US population growth was largest ~1950 and 1965, which corresponds to folks between the ages of 55 and 70

          – Punintended
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          It's normally not true that the population retiring is similar to that entering the workforce (most country's population grows over time, the U.S. being no exception,) but this is still the right answer. Even if only 200,000 people retire for every 300,000 entering the workforce, 200,000 new jobs still means that unemployment drops by 100,000.

          – reirab
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          @reirab Yeah, the full answer would be significantly more complex but you'd need to study more economics than I have to understand it, let alone write it...

          – Shadur
          7 hours ago






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          Or more analogously to the "300k births" number, there are also 230k deaths per month. So anything above about 70k new jobs per month is a surplus. (I know this is a vast oversimplification)

          – MooseBoys
          7 hours ago






        • 3





          @reirab: if you (or others) want to look at how such an analysis is done, here's one for the adjusted job gap after the Great Recession (the gap was only closed in 2017 after 89 months since the recession). Job losses in the Recession were 8.5 million, but these were adjusted to 10 million to compensate for population growth. hamiltonproject.org/papers/…

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        +1, though we've also got an aging population. Figure 1 shows US population growth was largest ~1950 and 1965, which corresponds to folks between the ages of 55 and 70

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        It's normally not true that the population retiring is similar to that entering the workforce (most country's population grows over time, the U.S. being no exception,) but this is still the right answer. Even if only 200,000 people retire for every 300,000 entering the workforce, 200,000 new jobs still means that unemployment drops by 100,000.

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        It's normally not true that the population retiring is similar to that entering the workforce (most country's population grows over time, the U.S. being no exception,) but this is still the right answer. Even if only 200,000 people retire for every 300,000 entering the workforce, 200,000 new jobs still means that unemployment drops by 100,000.

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        @reirab Yeah, the full answer would be significantly more complex but you'd need to study more economics than I have to understand it, let alone write it...

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        @reirab Yeah, the full answer would be significantly more complex but you'd need to study more economics than I have to understand it, let alone write it...

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        Or more analogously to the "300k births" number, there are also 230k deaths per month. So anything above about 70k new jobs per month is a surplus. (I know this is a vast oversimplification)

        – MooseBoys
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        Or more analogously to the "300k births" number, there are also 230k deaths per month. So anything above about 70k new jobs per month is a surplus. (I know this is a vast oversimplification)

        – MooseBoys
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        @reirab: if you (or others) want to look at how such an analysis is done, here's one for the adjusted job gap after the Great Recession (the gap was only closed in 2017 after 89 months since the recession). Job losses in the Recession were 8.5 million, but these were adjusted to 10 million to compensate for population growth. hamiltonproject.org/papers/…

        – Fizz
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        @reirab: if you (or others) want to look at how such an analysis is done, here's one for the adjusted job gap after the Great Recession (the gap was only closed in 2017 after 89 months since the recession). Job losses in the Recession were 8.5 million, but these were adjusted to 10 million to compensate for population growth. hamiltonproject.org/papers/…

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        In addition to the answer above, it should also be noted that jobs aren't just something that exist independent of people. The only reason that jobs exist is that people create the need for jobs, so more people means more jobs.






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            In addition to the answer above, it should also be noted that jobs aren't just something that exist independent of people. The only reason that jobs exist is that people create the need for jobs, so more people means more jobs.







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                "300k people entered the labor pool" and "300k+ births a month" are very different things.



                You can get to 300k new people in labor pool, if you have 150k people reaching employment age, and 150k of previously long-term unemployed people (excluded from the labor pool by labor statistics bureau) started looking for a job (because they decided such with low unemployment, they have chance to get the job even if they could not get it before).



                And to get to 150k people reaching employment age you need more that 150k births, 20 years earlier.



                We have no idea how many jobs will be available 20 years from now for people born now. It could be singularity and robots will do all the work. Or climate collapse could start WW3.



                And then there is immigration, legal and illegal.






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                  "300k people entered the labor pool" and "300k+ births a month" are very different things.



                  You can get to 300k new people in labor pool, if you have 150k people reaching employment age, and 150k of previously long-term unemployed people (excluded from the labor pool by labor statistics bureau) started looking for a job (because they decided such with low unemployment, they have chance to get the job even if they could not get it before).



                  And to get to 150k people reaching employment age you need more that 150k births, 20 years earlier.



                  We have no idea how many jobs will be available 20 years from now for people born now. It could be singularity and robots will do all the work. Or climate collapse could start WW3.



                  And then there is immigration, legal and illegal.






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                    "300k people entered the labor pool" and "300k+ births a month" are very different things.



                    You can get to 300k new people in labor pool, if you have 150k people reaching employment age, and 150k of previously long-term unemployed people (excluded from the labor pool by labor statistics bureau) started looking for a job (because they decided such with low unemployment, they have chance to get the job even if they could not get it before).



                    And to get to 150k people reaching employment age you need more that 150k births, 20 years earlier.



                    We have no idea how many jobs will be available 20 years from now for people born now. It could be singularity and robots will do all the work. Or climate collapse could start WW3.



                    And then there is immigration, legal and illegal.






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                    "300k people entered the labor pool" and "300k+ births a month" are very different things.



                    You can get to 300k new people in labor pool, if you have 150k people reaching employment age, and 150k of previously long-term unemployed people (excluded from the labor pool by labor statistics bureau) started looking for a job (because they decided such with low unemployment, they have chance to get the job even if they could not get it before).



                    And to get to 150k people reaching employment age you need more that 150k births, 20 years earlier.



                    We have no idea how many jobs will be available 20 years from now for people born now. It could be singularity and robots will do all the work. Or climate collapse could start WW3.



                    And then there is immigration, legal and illegal.







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                        In addition to other answers. (+1 to Kloddant).



                        Note newborns will only enter the labor market after 20 years or more. The economy is supposed to grow (even when the population is stable) a lot in that time frame, so by the time anybody born today ends college the new jobs increase ratios is supposed to be a lot higher than today.
                        Of course, no one can give us a real number of new jobs created for 2039. But we hope it will be more than 300k.






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                          yes, but with automation the economy (=GDP) can grow while jobs shrink at the same time.

                          – Fizz
                          7 hours ago











                        • But the people entering the job market now correspond to births 20ish years ago, and he's assuming the birth rate was roughly comparable then.

                          – Barmar
                          7 hours ago











                        • @Fizz There are lots of things to consider. Someone talked about immigration, for example, but that is peanuts compared to job migration (when you close a facility in Europe to reopen another in Asia). Analysts try to extrapolate all those graphs and that's why you cannot correlate today birth rate with today jobs increase rate. In fact, if jobs increase rate was as big as birth rate that can mean you really need immigrants and automation badly.

                          – jean
                          6 hours ago












                        • That might happen even without automation; South Africa is an example economist.com/special-report/2010/06/03/jobless-growth

                          – Fizz
                          5 hours ago











                        • and also India, but a shorter time frame qz.com/india/1115328/…

                          – Fizz
                          4 hours ago















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                        In addition to other answers. (+1 to Kloddant).



                        Note newborns will only enter the labor market after 20 years or more. The economy is supposed to grow (even when the population is stable) a lot in that time frame, so by the time anybody born today ends college the new jobs increase ratios is supposed to be a lot higher than today.
                        Of course, no one can give us a real number of new jobs created for 2039. But we hope it will be more than 300k.






                        share|improve this answer




















                        • 1





                          yes, but with automation the economy (=GDP) can grow while jobs shrink at the same time.

                          – Fizz
                          7 hours ago











                        • But the people entering the job market now correspond to births 20ish years ago, and he's assuming the birth rate was roughly comparable then.

                          – Barmar
                          7 hours ago











                        • @Fizz There are lots of things to consider. Someone talked about immigration, for example, but that is peanuts compared to job migration (when you close a facility in Europe to reopen another in Asia). Analysts try to extrapolate all those graphs and that's why you cannot correlate today birth rate with today jobs increase rate. In fact, if jobs increase rate was as big as birth rate that can mean you really need immigrants and automation badly.

                          – jean
                          6 hours ago












                        • That might happen even without automation; South Africa is an example economist.com/special-report/2010/06/03/jobless-growth

                          – Fizz
                          5 hours ago











                        • and also India, but a shorter time frame qz.com/india/1115328/…

                          – Fizz
                          4 hours ago













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                        1








                        1







                        In addition to other answers. (+1 to Kloddant).



                        Note newborns will only enter the labor market after 20 years or more. The economy is supposed to grow (even when the population is stable) a lot in that time frame, so by the time anybody born today ends college the new jobs increase ratios is supposed to be a lot higher than today.
                        Of course, no one can give us a real number of new jobs created for 2039. But we hope it will be more than 300k.






                        share|improve this answer















                        In addition to other answers. (+1 to Kloddant).



                        Note newborns will only enter the labor market after 20 years or more. The economy is supposed to grow (even when the population is stable) a lot in that time frame, so by the time anybody born today ends college the new jobs increase ratios is supposed to be a lot higher than today.
                        Of course, no one can give us a real number of new jobs created for 2039. But we hope it will be more than 300k.







                        share|improve this answer














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                          yes, but with automation the economy (=GDP) can grow while jobs shrink at the same time.

                          – Fizz
                          7 hours ago











                        • But the people entering the job market now correspond to births 20ish years ago, and he's assuming the birth rate was roughly comparable then.

                          – Barmar
                          7 hours ago











                        • @Fizz There are lots of things to consider. Someone talked about immigration, for example, but that is peanuts compared to job migration (when you close a facility in Europe to reopen another in Asia). Analysts try to extrapolate all those graphs and that's why you cannot correlate today birth rate with today jobs increase rate. In fact, if jobs increase rate was as big as birth rate that can mean you really need immigrants and automation badly.

                          – jean
                          6 hours ago












                        • That might happen even without automation; South Africa is an example economist.com/special-report/2010/06/03/jobless-growth

                          – Fizz
                          5 hours ago











                        • and also India, but a shorter time frame qz.com/india/1115328/…

                          – Fizz
                          4 hours ago












                        • 1





                          yes, but with automation the economy (=GDP) can grow while jobs shrink at the same time.

                          – Fizz
                          7 hours ago











                        • But the people entering the job market now correspond to births 20ish years ago, and he's assuming the birth rate was roughly comparable then.

                          – Barmar
                          7 hours ago











                        • @Fizz There are lots of things to consider. Someone talked about immigration, for example, but that is peanuts compared to job migration (when you close a facility in Europe to reopen another in Asia). Analysts try to extrapolate all those graphs and that's why you cannot correlate today birth rate with today jobs increase rate. In fact, if jobs increase rate was as big as birth rate that can mean you really need immigrants and automation badly.

                          – jean
                          6 hours ago












                        • That might happen even without automation; South Africa is an example economist.com/special-report/2010/06/03/jobless-growth

                          – Fizz
                          5 hours ago











                        • and also India, but a shorter time frame qz.com/india/1115328/…

                          – Fizz
                          4 hours ago







                        1




                        1





                        yes, but with automation the economy (=GDP) can grow while jobs shrink at the same time.

                        – Fizz
                        7 hours ago





                        yes, but with automation the economy (=GDP) can grow while jobs shrink at the same time.

                        – Fizz
                        7 hours ago













                        But the people entering the job market now correspond to births 20ish years ago, and he's assuming the birth rate was roughly comparable then.

                        – Barmar
                        7 hours ago





                        But the people entering the job market now correspond to births 20ish years ago, and he's assuming the birth rate was roughly comparable then.

                        – Barmar
                        7 hours ago













                        @Fizz There are lots of things to consider. Someone talked about immigration, for example, but that is peanuts compared to job migration (when you close a facility in Europe to reopen another in Asia). Analysts try to extrapolate all those graphs and that's why you cannot correlate today birth rate with today jobs increase rate. In fact, if jobs increase rate was as big as birth rate that can mean you really need immigrants and automation badly.

                        – jean
                        6 hours ago






                        @Fizz There are lots of things to consider. Someone talked about immigration, for example, but that is peanuts compared to job migration (when you close a facility in Europe to reopen another in Asia). Analysts try to extrapolate all those graphs and that's why you cannot correlate today birth rate with today jobs increase rate. In fact, if jobs increase rate was as big as birth rate that can mean you really need immigrants and automation badly.

                        – jean
                        6 hours ago














                        That might happen even without automation; South Africa is an example economist.com/special-report/2010/06/03/jobless-growth

                        – Fizz
                        5 hours ago





                        That might happen even without automation; South Africa is an example economist.com/special-report/2010/06/03/jobless-growth

                        – Fizz
                        5 hours ago













                        and also India, but a shorter time frame qz.com/india/1115328/…

                        – Fizz
                        4 hours ago





                        and also India, but a shorter time frame qz.com/india/1115328/…

                        – Fizz
                        4 hours ago











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                        "On average, 205,300 jobs need to be created every month just to keep up with population growth"




                        per Business Insider Aug 2016.



                        Their article appears to be an analysis of this issue, however I will leave it to the reader to debate the accuracy and/or validity of the conclusion. If the analysis was valid in 2016, I would think that it is equally valid 2.5 years later.






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                          "On average, 205,300 jobs need to be created every month just to keep up with population growth"




                          per Business Insider Aug 2016.



                          Their article appears to be an analysis of this issue, however I will leave it to the reader to debate the accuracy and/or validity of the conclusion. If the analysis was valid in 2016, I would think that it is equally valid 2.5 years later.






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                            "On average, 205,300 jobs need to be created every month just to keep up with population growth"




                            per Business Insider Aug 2016.



                            Their article appears to be an analysis of this issue, however I will leave it to the reader to debate the accuracy and/or validity of the conclusion. If the analysis was valid in 2016, I would think that it is equally valid 2.5 years later.






                            share|improve this answer














                            "On average, 205,300 jobs need to be created every month just to keep up with population growth"




                            per Business Insider Aug 2016.



                            Their article appears to be an analysis of this issue, however I will leave it to the reader to debate the accuracy and/or validity of the conclusion. If the analysis was valid in 2016, I would think that it is equally valid 2.5 years later.







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