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New job, but hiring manager lied about the scope of the role. How is this prevented?
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I just started a "dream job" for a big IT company.
I was hired to be responsible for their market strategy for in the territory. I was previously covering the whole region, and I was told that once I developed the strategy, it would be applied to all of the region, and when the position opened I would be the most suitable candidate.
After starting, I realised that:
there is already another team covering the (greater) rest of the region, and they already planned to hire somebody for next year. This team is complementary but independent: I would have to change manager to cover the region.
there is already somebody else in an independent division of the company, who is responsible for strategy in that division; my manager asked me not to replicate his efforts, which means that I will effectively have to execute his strategy.
I was told I would be building and managing relationships with key stakeholders over a number of years: I was immediately approached by salespeople telling me that I would not own any relationship, and shortly after that my manager told me that "I will be to busy to manage any relationship anyway".
The way things are, I am being technical support for salespeople, indirectly following orders from my equivalent in another division.
This job is not what I was told during interview.
I want to believe there are professional ways and appropriate processes to get formal commitments to the nature of a role.
Independently from where I go next, which steps do I need to take to prevent this situation from repeating?
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I just started a "dream job" for a big IT company.
I was hired to be responsible for their market strategy for in the territory. I was previously covering the whole region, and I was told that once I developed the strategy, it would be applied to all of the region, and when the position opened I would be the most suitable candidate.
After starting, I realised that:
there is already another team covering the (greater) rest of the region, and they already planned to hire somebody for next year. This team is complementary but independent: I would have to change manager to cover the region.
there is already somebody else in an independent division of the company, who is responsible for strategy in that division; my manager asked me not to replicate his efforts, which means that I will effectively have to execute his strategy.
I was told I would be building and managing relationships with key stakeholders over a number of years: I was immediately approached by salespeople telling me that I would not own any relationship, and shortly after that my manager told me that "I will be to busy to manage any relationship anyway".
The way things are, I am being technical support for salespeople, indirectly following orders from my equivalent in another division.
This job is not what I was told during interview.
I want to believe there are professional ways and appropriate processes to get formal commitments to the nature of a role.
Independently from where I go next, which steps do I need to take to prevent this situation from repeating?
job-search manager job-description lying
1
"Independently from where I go next, which steps do I need to take to prevent this situation from repeating?" - ask better questions during the interviews, so that you'll understand what the job entails.
– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago
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I just started a "dream job" for a big IT company.
I was hired to be responsible for their market strategy for in the territory. I was previously covering the whole region, and I was told that once I developed the strategy, it would be applied to all of the region, and when the position opened I would be the most suitable candidate.
After starting, I realised that:
there is already another team covering the (greater) rest of the region, and they already planned to hire somebody for next year. This team is complementary but independent: I would have to change manager to cover the region.
there is already somebody else in an independent division of the company, who is responsible for strategy in that division; my manager asked me not to replicate his efforts, which means that I will effectively have to execute his strategy.
I was told I would be building and managing relationships with key stakeholders over a number of years: I was immediately approached by salespeople telling me that I would not own any relationship, and shortly after that my manager told me that "I will be to busy to manage any relationship anyway".
The way things are, I am being technical support for salespeople, indirectly following orders from my equivalent in another division.
This job is not what I was told during interview.
I want to believe there are professional ways and appropriate processes to get formal commitments to the nature of a role.
Independently from where I go next, which steps do I need to take to prevent this situation from repeating?
job-search manager job-description lying
I just started a "dream job" for a big IT company.
I was hired to be responsible for their market strategy for in the territory. I was previously covering the whole region, and I was told that once I developed the strategy, it would be applied to all of the region, and when the position opened I would be the most suitable candidate.
After starting, I realised that:
there is already another team covering the (greater) rest of the region, and they already planned to hire somebody for next year. This team is complementary but independent: I would have to change manager to cover the region.
there is already somebody else in an independent division of the company, who is responsible for strategy in that division; my manager asked me not to replicate his efforts, which means that I will effectively have to execute his strategy.
I was told I would be building and managing relationships with key stakeholders over a number of years: I was immediately approached by salespeople telling me that I would not own any relationship, and shortly after that my manager told me that "I will be to busy to manage any relationship anyway".
The way things are, I am being technical support for salespeople, indirectly following orders from my equivalent in another division.
This job is not what I was told during interview.
I want to believe there are professional ways and appropriate processes to get formal commitments to the nature of a role.
Independently from where I go next, which steps do I need to take to prevent this situation from repeating?
job-search manager job-description lying
job-search manager job-description lying
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"Independently from where I go next, which steps do I need to take to prevent this situation from repeating?" - ask better questions during the interviews, so that you'll understand what the job entails.
– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago
add a comment |
1
"Independently from where I go next, which steps do I need to take to prevent this situation from repeating?" - ask better questions during the interviews, so that you'll understand what the job entails.
– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago
1
1
"Independently from where I go next, which steps do I need to take to prevent this situation from repeating?" - ask better questions during the interviews, so that you'll understand what the job entails.
– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago
"Independently from where I go next, which steps do I need to take to prevent this situation from repeating?" - ask better questions during the interviews, so that you'll understand what the job entails.
– Joe Strazzere
2 hours ago
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First of all, try to understand that this happens really frequently. So unfortunately you are no exception.
There is no good way to prevent it. You will probably receive answers that you should ask questions about the role and look at how your interviewers answer them. However, the truth is if someone wants to mislead you or is just misinformed, this won't help.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of double standards when it comes to hiring. When I was in your position and was straightforward about it while applying for new jobs, I heard comments like "well, you decided to take the job, so no matter what, you should try to make the best of it". If a candidate lied about their experience, surely the employer wouldn't be so nice about it.
You can read online reviews. They may be helpful. You can try to network as much as possible and keep your ears open for information about companies and teams. Even if you live in a city of a considerable size, there are probably some main employers you are interested in. Try attending events they organise. Try networking with employees. This has helped me enormously. Apart from that, there are no good ways to prevent this situation from happening.
2
"really frequently" How frequently ? In my experience, this is pretty rare. Yes, sometimes you're asked to do some tasks outside of your job description, but here the job is completely different. That level of deceptiveness is in my experience not that common.
– MlleMei
3 hours ago
1
@MlleMei I work on a Javascript team and one of my teammates is on the team even though the company explicitly hired him as a Java Developer (and he didn't do ANY development work for the first 2-3 years at the company). Not sure how common it is but from personal experience I know a handful of people who have encountered it
– chevybow
3 hours ago
1
I'm with @MlleMei. I've heard of and seen overselling a job. This is the first time I've ever heard of something this deceptive.
– dbeer
2 hours ago
add a comment |
I'm not sure you have to do a ton to prevent a company from lying on this scale to you; while companies might embellish how attractive a job is, completely lying about the scope of your job and the type of work you'll be doing is fairly rare. Here are a few things that might reduce the possibility of this happening:
- Check the glassdoor.com (and/or similar) ratings and feedback about companies to which you're applying.
- Look to work for larger, more established companies with more stability. Sometimes companies shift people around due to having needs to fill, although it's still extremely rare for a job to go from something that sounds director-level to being IT support for marketing.
- Don't put stock in maybes and future promises. The longer out a promotion, raise, etc. is the less likely a company is to follow through on it. If you're going to take a job based on something it might become, make sure you're still willing to take the job based on what the initial offer is.
- Make sure the salary matches the job you're being promised. If someone is offering you a job where you're being groomed for a major, influential role, but they're paying you a small fraction of what that major, influential role would be, then my guess is they're less sincere about you really getting a massive role. You can always experiment with this one by asking for some of that money upfront instead of having it all hinge; that should help you gauge things as well. (If the money matches, at least you'd be getting paid director money to do IT support work.)
Of course, I hope you're making the most of it while you try to move on as immediately as possible. I would also leave them a public review describing the vast differences between the job you were offered and the role you moved into.
add a comment |
A: find a new job.
B: write scathing review of their practice on employer review sites. You may want to create a throw away ID for this.
add a comment |
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First of all, try to understand that this happens really frequently. So unfortunately you are no exception.
There is no good way to prevent it. You will probably receive answers that you should ask questions about the role and look at how your interviewers answer them. However, the truth is if someone wants to mislead you or is just misinformed, this won't help.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of double standards when it comes to hiring. When I was in your position and was straightforward about it while applying for new jobs, I heard comments like "well, you decided to take the job, so no matter what, you should try to make the best of it". If a candidate lied about their experience, surely the employer wouldn't be so nice about it.
You can read online reviews. They may be helpful. You can try to network as much as possible and keep your ears open for information about companies and teams. Even if you live in a city of a considerable size, there are probably some main employers you are interested in. Try attending events they organise. Try networking with employees. This has helped me enormously. Apart from that, there are no good ways to prevent this situation from happening.
2
"really frequently" How frequently ? In my experience, this is pretty rare. Yes, sometimes you're asked to do some tasks outside of your job description, but here the job is completely different. That level of deceptiveness is in my experience not that common.
– MlleMei
3 hours ago
1
@MlleMei I work on a Javascript team and one of my teammates is on the team even though the company explicitly hired him as a Java Developer (and he didn't do ANY development work for the first 2-3 years at the company). Not sure how common it is but from personal experience I know a handful of people who have encountered it
– chevybow
3 hours ago
1
I'm with @MlleMei. I've heard of and seen overselling a job. This is the first time I've ever heard of something this deceptive.
– dbeer
2 hours ago
add a comment |
First of all, try to understand that this happens really frequently. So unfortunately you are no exception.
There is no good way to prevent it. You will probably receive answers that you should ask questions about the role and look at how your interviewers answer them. However, the truth is if someone wants to mislead you or is just misinformed, this won't help.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of double standards when it comes to hiring. When I was in your position and was straightforward about it while applying for new jobs, I heard comments like "well, you decided to take the job, so no matter what, you should try to make the best of it". If a candidate lied about their experience, surely the employer wouldn't be so nice about it.
You can read online reviews. They may be helpful. You can try to network as much as possible and keep your ears open for information about companies and teams. Even if you live in a city of a considerable size, there are probably some main employers you are interested in. Try attending events they organise. Try networking with employees. This has helped me enormously. Apart from that, there are no good ways to prevent this situation from happening.
2
"really frequently" How frequently ? In my experience, this is pretty rare. Yes, sometimes you're asked to do some tasks outside of your job description, but here the job is completely different. That level of deceptiveness is in my experience not that common.
– MlleMei
3 hours ago
1
@MlleMei I work on a Javascript team and one of my teammates is on the team even though the company explicitly hired him as a Java Developer (and he didn't do ANY development work for the first 2-3 years at the company). Not sure how common it is but from personal experience I know a handful of people who have encountered it
– chevybow
3 hours ago
1
I'm with @MlleMei. I've heard of and seen overselling a job. This is the first time I've ever heard of something this deceptive.
– dbeer
2 hours ago
add a comment |
First of all, try to understand that this happens really frequently. So unfortunately you are no exception.
There is no good way to prevent it. You will probably receive answers that you should ask questions about the role and look at how your interviewers answer them. However, the truth is if someone wants to mislead you or is just misinformed, this won't help.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of double standards when it comes to hiring. When I was in your position and was straightforward about it while applying for new jobs, I heard comments like "well, you decided to take the job, so no matter what, you should try to make the best of it". If a candidate lied about their experience, surely the employer wouldn't be so nice about it.
You can read online reviews. They may be helpful. You can try to network as much as possible and keep your ears open for information about companies and teams. Even if you live in a city of a considerable size, there are probably some main employers you are interested in. Try attending events they organise. Try networking with employees. This has helped me enormously. Apart from that, there are no good ways to prevent this situation from happening.
First of all, try to understand that this happens really frequently. So unfortunately you are no exception.
There is no good way to prevent it. You will probably receive answers that you should ask questions about the role and look at how your interviewers answer them. However, the truth is if someone wants to mislead you or is just misinformed, this won't help.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of double standards when it comes to hiring. When I was in your position and was straightforward about it while applying for new jobs, I heard comments like "well, you decided to take the job, so no matter what, you should try to make the best of it". If a candidate lied about their experience, surely the employer wouldn't be so nice about it.
You can read online reviews. They may be helpful. You can try to network as much as possible and keep your ears open for information about companies and teams. Even if you live in a city of a considerable size, there are probably some main employers you are interested in. Try attending events they organise. Try networking with employees. This has helped me enormously. Apart from that, there are no good ways to prevent this situation from happening.
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"really frequently" How frequently ? In my experience, this is pretty rare. Yes, sometimes you're asked to do some tasks outside of your job description, but here the job is completely different. That level of deceptiveness is in my experience not that common.
– MlleMei
3 hours ago
1
@MlleMei I work on a Javascript team and one of my teammates is on the team even though the company explicitly hired him as a Java Developer (and he didn't do ANY development work for the first 2-3 years at the company). Not sure how common it is but from personal experience I know a handful of people who have encountered it
– chevybow
3 hours ago
1
I'm with @MlleMei. I've heard of and seen overselling a job. This is the first time I've ever heard of something this deceptive.
– dbeer
2 hours ago
add a comment |
2
"really frequently" How frequently ? In my experience, this is pretty rare. Yes, sometimes you're asked to do some tasks outside of your job description, but here the job is completely different. That level of deceptiveness is in my experience not that common.
– MlleMei
3 hours ago
1
@MlleMei I work on a Javascript team and one of my teammates is on the team even though the company explicitly hired him as a Java Developer (and he didn't do ANY development work for the first 2-3 years at the company). Not sure how common it is but from personal experience I know a handful of people who have encountered it
– chevybow
3 hours ago
1
I'm with @MlleMei. I've heard of and seen overselling a job. This is the first time I've ever heard of something this deceptive.
– dbeer
2 hours ago
2
2
"really frequently" How frequently ? In my experience, this is pretty rare. Yes, sometimes you're asked to do some tasks outside of your job description, but here the job is completely different. That level of deceptiveness is in my experience not that common.
– MlleMei
3 hours ago
"really frequently" How frequently ? In my experience, this is pretty rare. Yes, sometimes you're asked to do some tasks outside of your job description, but here the job is completely different. That level of deceptiveness is in my experience not that common.
– MlleMei
3 hours ago
1
1
@MlleMei I work on a Javascript team and one of my teammates is on the team even though the company explicitly hired him as a Java Developer (and he didn't do ANY development work for the first 2-3 years at the company). Not sure how common it is but from personal experience I know a handful of people who have encountered it
– chevybow
3 hours ago
@MlleMei I work on a Javascript team and one of my teammates is on the team even though the company explicitly hired him as a Java Developer (and he didn't do ANY development work for the first 2-3 years at the company). Not sure how common it is but from personal experience I know a handful of people who have encountered it
– chevybow
3 hours ago
1
1
I'm with @MlleMei. I've heard of and seen overselling a job. This is the first time I've ever heard of something this deceptive.
– dbeer
2 hours ago
I'm with @MlleMei. I've heard of and seen overselling a job. This is the first time I've ever heard of something this deceptive.
– dbeer
2 hours ago
add a comment |
I'm not sure you have to do a ton to prevent a company from lying on this scale to you; while companies might embellish how attractive a job is, completely lying about the scope of your job and the type of work you'll be doing is fairly rare. Here are a few things that might reduce the possibility of this happening:
- Check the glassdoor.com (and/or similar) ratings and feedback about companies to which you're applying.
- Look to work for larger, more established companies with more stability. Sometimes companies shift people around due to having needs to fill, although it's still extremely rare for a job to go from something that sounds director-level to being IT support for marketing.
- Don't put stock in maybes and future promises. The longer out a promotion, raise, etc. is the less likely a company is to follow through on it. If you're going to take a job based on something it might become, make sure you're still willing to take the job based on what the initial offer is.
- Make sure the salary matches the job you're being promised. If someone is offering you a job where you're being groomed for a major, influential role, but they're paying you a small fraction of what that major, influential role would be, then my guess is they're less sincere about you really getting a massive role. You can always experiment with this one by asking for some of that money upfront instead of having it all hinge; that should help you gauge things as well. (If the money matches, at least you'd be getting paid director money to do IT support work.)
Of course, I hope you're making the most of it while you try to move on as immediately as possible. I would also leave them a public review describing the vast differences between the job you were offered and the role you moved into.
add a comment |
I'm not sure you have to do a ton to prevent a company from lying on this scale to you; while companies might embellish how attractive a job is, completely lying about the scope of your job and the type of work you'll be doing is fairly rare. Here are a few things that might reduce the possibility of this happening:
- Check the glassdoor.com (and/or similar) ratings and feedback about companies to which you're applying.
- Look to work for larger, more established companies with more stability. Sometimes companies shift people around due to having needs to fill, although it's still extremely rare for a job to go from something that sounds director-level to being IT support for marketing.
- Don't put stock in maybes and future promises. The longer out a promotion, raise, etc. is the less likely a company is to follow through on it. If you're going to take a job based on something it might become, make sure you're still willing to take the job based on what the initial offer is.
- Make sure the salary matches the job you're being promised. If someone is offering you a job where you're being groomed for a major, influential role, but they're paying you a small fraction of what that major, influential role would be, then my guess is they're less sincere about you really getting a massive role. You can always experiment with this one by asking for some of that money upfront instead of having it all hinge; that should help you gauge things as well. (If the money matches, at least you'd be getting paid director money to do IT support work.)
Of course, I hope you're making the most of it while you try to move on as immediately as possible. I would also leave them a public review describing the vast differences between the job you were offered and the role you moved into.
add a comment |
I'm not sure you have to do a ton to prevent a company from lying on this scale to you; while companies might embellish how attractive a job is, completely lying about the scope of your job and the type of work you'll be doing is fairly rare. Here are a few things that might reduce the possibility of this happening:
- Check the glassdoor.com (and/or similar) ratings and feedback about companies to which you're applying.
- Look to work for larger, more established companies with more stability. Sometimes companies shift people around due to having needs to fill, although it's still extremely rare for a job to go from something that sounds director-level to being IT support for marketing.
- Don't put stock in maybes and future promises. The longer out a promotion, raise, etc. is the less likely a company is to follow through on it. If you're going to take a job based on something it might become, make sure you're still willing to take the job based on what the initial offer is.
- Make sure the salary matches the job you're being promised. If someone is offering you a job where you're being groomed for a major, influential role, but they're paying you a small fraction of what that major, influential role would be, then my guess is they're less sincere about you really getting a massive role. You can always experiment with this one by asking for some of that money upfront instead of having it all hinge; that should help you gauge things as well. (If the money matches, at least you'd be getting paid director money to do IT support work.)
Of course, I hope you're making the most of it while you try to move on as immediately as possible. I would also leave them a public review describing the vast differences between the job you were offered and the role you moved into.
I'm not sure you have to do a ton to prevent a company from lying on this scale to you; while companies might embellish how attractive a job is, completely lying about the scope of your job and the type of work you'll be doing is fairly rare. Here are a few things that might reduce the possibility of this happening:
- Check the glassdoor.com (and/or similar) ratings and feedback about companies to which you're applying.
- Look to work for larger, more established companies with more stability. Sometimes companies shift people around due to having needs to fill, although it's still extremely rare for a job to go from something that sounds director-level to being IT support for marketing.
- Don't put stock in maybes and future promises. The longer out a promotion, raise, etc. is the less likely a company is to follow through on it. If you're going to take a job based on something it might become, make sure you're still willing to take the job based on what the initial offer is.
- Make sure the salary matches the job you're being promised. If someone is offering you a job where you're being groomed for a major, influential role, but they're paying you a small fraction of what that major, influential role would be, then my guess is they're less sincere about you really getting a massive role. You can always experiment with this one by asking for some of that money upfront instead of having it all hinge; that should help you gauge things as well. (If the money matches, at least you'd be getting paid director money to do IT support work.)
Of course, I hope you're making the most of it while you try to move on as immediately as possible. I would also leave them a public review describing the vast differences between the job you were offered and the role you moved into.
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A: find a new job.
B: write scathing review of their practice on employer review sites. You may want to create a throw away ID for this.
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A: find a new job.
B: write scathing review of their practice on employer review sites. You may want to create a throw away ID for this.
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A: find a new job.
B: write scathing review of their practice on employer review sites. You may want to create a throw away ID for this.
A: find a new job.
B: write scathing review of their practice on employer review sites. You may want to create a throw away ID for this.
answered 42 mins ago
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"Independently from where I go next, which steps do I need to take to prevent this situation from repeating?" - ask better questions during the interviews, so that you'll understand what the job entails.
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