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Forming a German sentence with/without the verb at the end


How do synchronous interpreters handle long German split verb sentences?Modal verb sentence orderHow can we approach translating complex sentences with multiple verbs or objects?Why does “Liebe Kinder” not agree with the verb of the sentence?Is the second verb REALLY always in the end?Do adjectives still need to agree with a noun if they are in a subsequent clause without a verb?Passive voice sentence with beiIs this sentence with “dürfen” correct?verb “zugehen” in sentence definitionStructure of sentence and position of verb in the end. How to train?













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I am new to German and this site.



I am trying to learn to utter my first phrases in German, and I have learned that the verb is actually placed at the end.



Currently, being a beginner the way I am forming sentences is by saying them in English first (in my head) and converting these words to German later.



So, here is one example:




My friend sent me a card

mein freund hat mir geschickt eine karte.




The above is wrong, at least to Google Translate, as "geschickt" should be place at the end.



My question is very simple. Aside from constructing questions, if I want to build a sentences, should the verb always come at last? If not, then is there a pattern to learn or is there an exception?










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    Ach, wäre es nur so einfach :)

    – Stefano Palazzo
    4 hours ago











  • Which verb? I see two verb forms, hat and geschickt.

    – Carsten S
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    In this case (Perfekt), "hat" would be the verb and "geschickt" would be called a Partizip. (Mein Freund hat mir eine Karte geschickt).

    – Stefano Palazzo
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    When you have a postcard, you give it to the cardpost and they cardpost it for you. Thus, your friend has you a-card- posted. You were card-posted. You were postal-served. Dir wurde post gesendet.

    – vectory
    2 hours ago






  • 1





    I hope your friend had not sent you a-packin', nor had you sent a-packin'. I'm sure though, he had, just for you, packages enough. This whole thing is more or less still vivid in English. It is just less productive,

    – vectory
    2 hours ago















2















I am new to German and this site.



I am trying to learn to utter my first phrases in German, and I have learned that the verb is actually placed at the end.



Currently, being a beginner the way I am forming sentences is by saying them in English first (in my head) and converting these words to German later.



So, here is one example:




My friend sent me a card

mein freund hat mir geschickt eine karte.




The above is wrong, at least to Google Translate, as "geschickt" should be place at the end.



My question is very simple. Aside from constructing questions, if I want to build a sentences, should the verb always come at last? If not, then is there a pattern to learn or is there an exception?










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  • 3





    Ach, wäre es nur so einfach :)

    – Stefano Palazzo
    4 hours ago











  • Which verb? I see two verb forms, hat and geschickt.

    – Carsten S
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    In this case (Perfekt), "hat" would be the verb and "geschickt" would be called a Partizip. (Mein Freund hat mir eine Karte geschickt).

    – Stefano Palazzo
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    When you have a postcard, you give it to the cardpost and they cardpost it for you. Thus, your friend has you a-card- posted. You were card-posted. You were postal-served. Dir wurde post gesendet.

    – vectory
    2 hours ago






  • 1





    I hope your friend had not sent you a-packin', nor had you sent a-packin'. I'm sure though, he had, just for you, packages enough. This whole thing is more or less still vivid in English. It is just less productive,

    – vectory
    2 hours ago













2












2








2








I am new to German and this site.



I am trying to learn to utter my first phrases in German, and I have learned that the verb is actually placed at the end.



Currently, being a beginner the way I am forming sentences is by saying them in English first (in my head) and converting these words to German later.



So, here is one example:




My friend sent me a card

mein freund hat mir geschickt eine karte.




The above is wrong, at least to Google Translate, as "geschickt" should be place at the end.



My question is very simple. Aside from constructing questions, if I want to build a sentences, should the verb always come at last? If not, then is there a pattern to learn or is there an exception?










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I am new to German and this site.



I am trying to learn to utter my first phrases in German, and I have learned that the verb is actually placed at the end.



Currently, being a beginner the way I am forming sentences is by saying them in English first (in my head) and converting these words to German later.



So, here is one example:




My friend sent me a card

mein freund hat mir geschickt eine karte.




The above is wrong, at least to Google Translate, as "geschickt" should be place at the end.



My question is very simple. Aside from constructing questions, if I want to build a sentences, should the verb always come at last? If not, then is there a pattern to learn or is there an exception?







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  • 3





    Ach, wäre es nur so einfach :)

    – Stefano Palazzo
    4 hours ago











  • Which verb? I see two verb forms, hat and geschickt.

    – Carsten S
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    In this case (Perfekt), "hat" would be the verb and "geschickt" would be called a Partizip. (Mein Freund hat mir eine Karte geschickt).

    – Stefano Palazzo
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    When you have a postcard, you give it to the cardpost and they cardpost it for you. Thus, your friend has you a-card- posted. You were card-posted. You were postal-served. Dir wurde post gesendet.

    – vectory
    2 hours ago






  • 1





    I hope your friend had not sent you a-packin', nor had you sent a-packin'. I'm sure though, he had, just for you, packages enough. This whole thing is more or less still vivid in English. It is just less productive,

    – vectory
    2 hours ago












  • 3





    Ach, wäre es nur so einfach :)

    – Stefano Palazzo
    4 hours ago











  • Which verb? I see two verb forms, hat and geschickt.

    – Carsten S
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    In this case (Perfekt), "hat" would be the verb and "geschickt" would be called a Partizip. (Mein Freund hat mir eine Karte geschickt).

    – Stefano Palazzo
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    When you have a postcard, you give it to the cardpost and they cardpost it for you. Thus, your friend has you a-card- posted. You were card-posted. You were postal-served. Dir wurde post gesendet.

    – vectory
    2 hours ago






  • 1





    I hope your friend had not sent you a-packin', nor had you sent a-packin'. I'm sure though, he had, just for you, packages enough. This whole thing is more or less still vivid in English. It is just less productive,

    – vectory
    2 hours ago







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3





Ach, wäre es nur so einfach :)

– Stefano Palazzo
4 hours ago





Ach, wäre es nur so einfach :)

– Stefano Palazzo
4 hours ago













Which verb? I see two verb forms, hat and geschickt.

– Carsten S
4 hours ago





Which verb? I see two verb forms, hat and geschickt.

– Carsten S
4 hours ago




1




1





In this case (Perfekt), "hat" would be the verb and "geschickt" would be called a Partizip. (Mein Freund hat mir eine Karte geschickt).

– Stefano Palazzo
4 hours ago





In this case (Perfekt), "hat" would be the verb and "geschickt" would be called a Partizip. (Mein Freund hat mir eine Karte geschickt).

– Stefano Palazzo
4 hours ago




1




1





When you have a postcard, you give it to the cardpost and they cardpost it for you. Thus, your friend has you a-card- posted. You were card-posted. You were postal-served. Dir wurde post gesendet.

– vectory
2 hours ago





When you have a postcard, you give it to the cardpost and they cardpost it for you. Thus, your friend has you a-card- posted. You were card-posted. You were postal-served. Dir wurde post gesendet.

– vectory
2 hours ago




1




1





I hope your friend had not sent you a-packin', nor had you sent a-packin'. I'm sure though, he had, just for you, packages enough. This whole thing is more or less still vivid in English. It is just less productive,

– vectory
2 hours ago





I hope your friend had not sent you a-packin', nor had you sent a-packin'. I'm sure though, he had, just for you, packages enough. This whole thing is more or less still vivid in English. It is just less productive,

– vectory
2 hours ago










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Your method won't work. Though both German and English are in the same language family and thus, share a lot of basic vocabulary (with slight modifications), German grammar is much different from English grammar.



My friend sent me a card.




Mein Freund hat mir eine Karte geschickt.




The first thing you notice is English uses the simple past for past events, while German uses Perfekt. That is because tenses in German aren't about the series of events but the intent of speech. So while English has the same auxiliary+participle construction



My friend has sent me a card.



it means a different thing.



In addition, the word order of German sentences is all build on the idea of braces. In English, every item in the sentence has a fairly fixed position. In German in contrary you have a lot of freedom pushing sentence pieces around to get one or another additional emphasis.



To make that work, things belonging together are often split up into two pieces creating an open and close brace. The pieces that are related to those embracing piece are kept inside. And of course, these braces do nest.




Mir hat gerade gestern Abend mein Freund eine Karte geschickt.




This is an alien concept to English speakers. A lot of English speakers consider it counter-intuitive. It makes a lot of sense though as soon as you start thinking in German. You have to embrace it to be able to create beautiful German sentences.






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  • The bracketing may be there, still, but the syntax and morphology changed a lot. "You need to embrace (it for beautiful German sentence) creation". One up for the glorious pun that is embrace.

    – vectory
    2 hours ago











  • I mean German zu-infinitives often correspond to English gerunds, ie. zu kreieren > creating. I haven't figured out when that winds over to-infinitives, andI might be blind on one eye because the analogy to German has me biased for to. After all it's not much of a stretch from creating to creation. Just by the way.

    – vectory
    2 hours ago












  • to be able to cries for an infinitive, not for a present participle/gerund.

    – Janka
    2 hours ago


















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I don't think there is any helpful rule of thumb for this. In a regular declarative sentence, the verb is in the middle:




Ich lerne Deutsch.




In a subordinate clause, it's at the end:




Wir erschrecken über unsere eigenen Sünden, wenn wir sie an anderen erblicken.




Conditional clauses (and questions as you said) have the verb first:




Wär ich ein wilder Falke




There are a lot more cases (types of sentences).






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    Your method won't work. Though both German and English are in the same language family and thus, share a lot of basic vocabulary (with slight modifications), German grammar is much different from English grammar.



    My friend sent me a card.




    Mein Freund hat mir eine Karte geschickt.




    The first thing you notice is English uses the simple past for past events, while German uses Perfekt. That is because tenses in German aren't about the series of events but the intent of speech. So while English has the same auxiliary+participle construction



    My friend has sent me a card.



    it means a different thing.



    In addition, the word order of German sentences is all build on the idea of braces. In English, every item in the sentence has a fairly fixed position. In German in contrary you have a lot of freedom pushing sentence pieces around to get one or another additional emphasis.



    To make that work, things belonging together are often split up into two pieces creating an open and close brace. The pieces that are related to those embracing piece are kept inside. And of course, these braces do nest.




    Mir hat gerade gestern Abend mein Freund eine Karte geschickt.




    This is an alien concept to English speakers. A lot of English speakers consider it counter-intuitive. It makes a lot of sense though as soon as you start thinking in German. You have to embrace it to be able to create beautiful German sentences.






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    • The bracketing may be there, still, but the syntax and morphology changed a lot. "You need to embrace (it for beautiful German sentence) creation". One up for the glorious pun that is embrace.

      – vectory
      2 hours ago











    • I mean German zu-infinitives often correspond to English gerunds, ie. zu kreieren > creating. I haven't figured out when that winds over to-infinitives, andI might be blind on one eye because the analogy to German has me biased for to. After all it's not much of a stretch from creating to creation. Just by the way.

      – vectory
      2 hours ago












    • to be able to cries for an infinitive, not for a present participle/gerund.

      – Janka
      2 hours ago















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    Your method won't work. Though both German and English are in the same language family and thus, share a lot of basic vocabulary (with slight modifications), German grammar is much different from English grammar.



    My friend sent me a card.




    Mein Freund hat mir eine Karte geschickt.




    The first thing you notice is English uses the simple past for past events, while German uses Perfekt. That is because tenses in German aren't about the series of events but the intent of speech. So while English has the same auxiliary+participle construction



    My friend has sent me a card.



    it means a different thing.



    In addition, the word order of German sentences is all build on the idea of braces. In English, every item in the sentence has a fairly fixed position. In German in contrary you have a lot of freedom pushing sentence pieces around to get one or another additional emphasis.



    To make that work, things belonging together are often split up into two pieces creating an open and close brace. The pieces that are related to those embracing piece are kept inside. And of course, these braces do nest.




    Mir hat gerade gestern Abend mein Freund eine Karte geschickt.




    This is an alien concept to English speakers. A lot of English speakers consider it counter-intuitive. It makes a lot of sense though as soon as you start thinking in German. You have to embrace it to be able to create beautiful German sentences.






    share|improve this answer

























    • The bracketing may be there, still, but the syntax and morphology changed a lot. "You need to embrace (it for beautiful German sentence) creation". One up for the glorious pun that is embrace.

      – vectory
      2 hours ago











    • I mean German zu-infinitives often correspond to English gerunds, ie. zu kreieren > creating. I haven't figured out when that winds over to-infinitives, andI might be blind on one eye because the analogy to German has me biased for to. After all it's not much of a stretch from creating to creation. Just by the way.

      – vectory
      2 hours ago












    • to be able to cries for an infinitive, not for a present participle/gerund.

      – Janka
      2 hours ago













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    4







    Your method won't work. Though both German and English are in the same language family and thus, share a lot of basic vocabulary (with slight modifications), German grammar is much different from English grammar.



    My friend sent me a card.




    Mein Freund hat mir eine Karte geschickt.




    The first thing you notice is English uses the simple past for past events, while German uses Perfekt. That is because tenses in German aren't about the series of events but the intent of speech. So while English has the same auxiliary+participle construction



    My friend has sent me a card.



    it means a different thing.



    In addition, the word order of German sentences is all build on the idea of braces. In English, every item in the sentence has a fairly fixed position. In German in contrary you have a lot of freedom pushing sentence pieces around to get one or another additional emphasis.



    To make that work, things belonging together are often split up into two pieces creating an open and close brace. The pieces that are related to those embracing piece are kept inside. And of course, these braces do nest.




    Mir hat gerade gestern Abend mein Freund eine Karte geschickt.




    This is an alien concept to English speakers. A lot of English speakers consider it counter-intuitive. It makes a lot of sense though as soon as you start thinking in German. You have to embrace it to be able to create beautiful German sentences.






    share|improve this answer















    Your method won't work. Though both German and English are in the same language family and thus, share a lot of basic vocabulary (with slight modifications), German grammar is much different from English grammar.



    My friend sent me a card.




    Mein Freund hat mir eine Karte geschickt.




    The first thing you notice is English uses the simple past for past events, while German uses Perfekt. That is because tenses in German aren't about the series of events but the intent of speech. So while English has the same auxiliary+participle construction



    My friend has sent me a card.



    it means a different thing.



    In addition, the word order of German sentences is all build on the idea of braces. In English, every item in the sentence has a fairly fixed position. In German in contrary you have a lot of freedom pushing sentence pieces around to get one or another additional emphasis.



    To make that work, things belonging together are often split up into two pieces creating an open and close brace. The pieces that are related to those embracing piece are kept inside. And of course, these braces do nest.




    Mir hat gerade gestern Abend mein Freund eine Karte geschickt.




    This is an alien concept to English speakers. A lot of English speakers consider it counter-intuitive. It makes a lot of sense though as soon as you start thinking in German. You have to embrace it to be able to create beautiful German sentences.







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    • The bracketing may be there, still, but the syntax and morphology changed a lot. "You need to embrace (it for beautiful German sentence) creation". One up for the glorious pun that is embrace.

      – vectory
      2 hours ago











    • I mean German zu-infinitives often correspond to English gerunds, ie. zu kreieren > creating. I haven't figured out when that winds over to-infinitives, andI might be blind on one eye because the analogy to German has me biased for to. After all it's not much of a stretch from creating to creation. Just by the way.

      – vectory
      2 hours ago












    • to be able to cries for an infinitive, not for a present participle/gerund.

      – Janka
      2 hours ago

















    • The bracketing may be there, still, but the syntax and morphology changed a lot. "You need to embrace (it for beautiful German sentence) creation". One up for the glorious pun that is embrace.

      – vectory
      2 hours ago











    • I mean German zu-infinitives often correspond to English gerunds, ie. zu kreieren > creating. I haven't figured out when that winds over to-infinitives, andI might be blind on one eye because the analogy to German has me biased for to. After all it's not much of a stretch from creating to creation. Just by the way.

      – vectory
      2 hours ago












    • to be able to cries for an infinitive, not for a present participle/gerund.

      – Janka
      2 hours ago
















    The bracketing may be there, still, but the syntax and morphology changed a lot. "You need to embrace (it for beautiful German sentence) creation". One up for the glorious pun that is embrace.

    – vectory
    2 hours ago





    The bracketing may be there, still, but the syntax and morphology changed a lot. "You need to embrace (it for beautiful German sentence) creation". One up for the glorious pun that is embrace.

    – vectory
    2 hours ago













    I mean German zu-infinitives often correspond to English gerunds, ie. zu kreieren > creating. I haven't figured out when that winds over to-infinitives, andI might be blind on one eye because the analogy to German has me biased for to. After all it's not much of a stretch from creating to creation. Just by the way.

    – vectory
    2 hours ago






    I mean German zu-infinitives often correspond to English gerunds, ie. zu kreieren > creating. I haven't figured out when that winds over to-infinitives, andI might be blind on one eye because the analogy to German has me biased for to. After all it's not much of a stretch from creating to creation. Just by the way.

    – vectory
    2 hours ago














    to be able to cries for an infinitive, not for a present participle/gerund.

    – Janka
    2 hours ago





    to be able to cries for an infinitive, not for a present participle/gerund.

    – Janka
    2 hours ago











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    I don't think there is any helpful rule of thumb for this. In a regular declarative sentence, the verb is in the middle:




    Ich lerne Deutsch.




    In a subordinate clause, it's at the end:




    Wir erschrecken über unsere eigenen Sünden, wenn wir sie an anderen erblicken.




    Conditional clauses (and questions as you said) have the verb first:




    Wär ich ein wilder Falke




    There are a lot more cases (types of sentences).






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      I don't think there is any helpful rule of thumb for this. In a regular declarative sentence, the verb is in the middle:




      Ich lerne Deutsch.




      In a subordinate clause, it's at the end:




      Wir erschrecken über unsere eigenen Sünden, wenn wir sie an anderen erblicken.




      Conditional clauses (and questions as you said) have the verb first:




      Wär ich ein wilder Falke




      There are a lot more cases (types of sentences).






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        I don't think there is any helpful rule of thumb for this. In a regular declarative sentence, the verb is in the middle:




        Ich lerne Deutsch.




        In a subordinate clause, it's at the end:




        Wir erschrecken über unsere eigenen Sünden, wenn wir sie an anderen erblicken.




        Conditional clauses (and questions as you said) have the verb first:




        Wär ich ein wilder Falke




        There are a lot more cases (types of sentences).






        share|improve this answer













        I don't think there is any helpful rule of thumb for this. In a regular declarative sentence, the verb is in the middle:




        Ich lerne Deutsch.




        In a subordinate clause, it's at the end:




        Wir erschrecken über unsere eigenen Sünden, wenn wir sie an anderen erblicken.




        Conditional clauses (and questions as you said) have the verb first:




        Wär ich ein wilder Falke




        There are a lot more cases (types of sentences).







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