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Just curious if it's justified for a company to have me fill out all new hire forms without compensation and on my own time (so I-9 forms, tax forms, emergency contacts, several other forms for employee eligibility verification and some release forms that are job specific). I'm used to filling these forms out during work hours when I begin a new job and was under the impression that this does count as "work".
I also do not have a printer/scanner so I just paid FedEx to print around 30 pages that need to be signed, for 5 bucks. Adobe sign wasn't an option and converting everything to Word wasn't either since many of the documents needed reformatting to even insert text into the document.
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Just curious if it's justified for a company to have me fill out all new hire forms without compensation and on my own time (so I-9 forms, tax forms, emergency contacts, several other forms for employee eligibility verification and some release forms that are job specific). I'm used to filling these forms out during work hours when I begin a new job and was under the impression that this does count as "work".
I also do not have a printer/scanner so I just paid FedEx to print around 30 pages that need to be signed, for 5 bucks. Adobe sign wasn't an option and converting everything to Word wasn't either since many of the documents needed reformatting to even insert text into the document.
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You could refuse and see what happens
– Kilisi
4 hours ago
If the new hire forms are for yourself, I don't think this counts as work. Its simply paper work to ensure you are hired and the relevant information is on their system when you start to work. It is pretty easy to fill out forms digitally using Adobe PDF, and even the free versions have signature options that use a picture.
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I am actually shocked that someone would think this.
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Just curious if it's justified for a company to have me fill out all new hire forms without compensation and on my own time (so I-9 forms, tax forms, emergency contacts, several other forms for employee eligibility verification and some release forms that are job specific). I'm used to filling these forms out during work hours when I begin a new job and was under the impression that this does count as "work".
I also do not have a printer/scanner so I just paid FedEx to print around 30 pages that need to be signed, for 5 bucks. Adobe sign wasn't an option and converting everything to Word wasn't either since many of the documents needed reformatting to even insert text into the document.
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Just curious if it's justified for a company to have me fill out all new hire forms without compensation and on my own time (so I-9 forms, tax forms, emergency contacts, several other forms for employee eligibility verification and some release forms that are job specific). I'm used to filling these forms out during work hours when I begin a new job and was under the impression that this does count as "work".
I also do not have a printer/scanner so I just paid FedEx to print around 30 pages that need to be signed, for 5 bucks. Adobe sign wasn't an option and converting everything to Word wasn't either since many of the documents needed reformatting to even insert text into the document.
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You could refuse and see what happens
– Kilisi
4 hours ago
If the new hire forms are for yourself, I don't think this counts as work. Its simply paper work to ensure you are hired and the relevant information is on their system when you start to work. It is pretty easy to fill out forms digitally using Adobe PDF, and even the free versions have signature options that use a picture.
– Shadowzee
4 hours ago
I am actually shocked that someone would think this.
– Keltari
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You could refuse and see what happens
– Kilisi
4 hours ago
If the new hire forms are for yourself, I don't think this counts as work. Its simply paper work to ensure you are hired and the relevant information is on their system when you start to work. It is pretty easy to fill out forms digitally using Adobe PDF, and even the free versions have signature options that use a picture.
– Shadowzee
4 hours ago
I am actually shocked that someone would think this.
– Keltari
51 mins ago
You could refuse and see what happens
– Kilisi
4 hours ago
You could refuse and see what happens
– Kilisi
4 hours ago
If the new hire forms are for yourself, I don't think this counts as work. Its simply paper work to ensure you are hired and the relevant information is on their system when you start to work. It is pretty easy to fill out forms digitally using Adobe PDF, and even the free versions have signature options that use a picture.
– Shadowzee
4 hours ago
If the new hire forms are for yourself, I don't think this counts as work. Its simply paper work to ensure you are hired and the relevant information is on their system when you start to work. It is pretty easy to fill out forms digitally using Adobe PDF, and even the free versions have signature options that use a picture.
– Shadowzee
4 hours ago
I am actually shocked that someone would think this.
– Keltari
51 mins ago
I am actually shocked that someone would think this.
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The bigger question is if it's worth having a fight with your new employer over it. I've had situations where it's been done both on or off the clock. Whether you are prepared to wear the $5 is a decision you will have to make.
If it were me, I'd let it go and just get on with my new role. It's a once-off and part of the onboarding process, so making a fuss about it probably isn't useful :)
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Completely agreed. I thought to myself, $5? I mean, we're talking something like 15 minutes (at most) of your new salary with the company. Let it slide.
– Kevin
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@JustCurious I'm not sure if you're addressing me or Kevin, but my answer doesn't judge the amount of money or time. My answer simply suggests that you have to make a judgment call on whether that time and money is worth more than starting a new job on the wrong foot. That is and must be your decision.
– Jane S
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You would probably be pleasantly surprised to know that a lot of decent companies will offer you lunch on your first day, or some other means to compensate and welcome you. If not your employer, then one or multiple of your coworkers. Other means of compensation will certainly present themselves.
As for entitlement to compensation, the answer to your question is no unless you have it in your job offer that they will compensate you for any fees that you have to incur in order to finalize your employment. I've had that before, in the form of transportation vouchers. Any form of compensation will certainly be a nice gesture.
As for whether or not it counts as work, the answer to your question is maybe - under §785.11 of the Fair Labor Standards Act, as the FLSA counts anything "suffered or permitted" to work as payable, as long as it reaches certain criteria. If they made it clear that you can do it when you get there, then the answer is no, as a criterion is that it must be mandatory and outside of work hours. Otherwise, then maybe. But I'd advise against it as it's minimal and rocks the boat.
On another note, in the future, might I suggest free services, or at least free trials of services, that offer signatures? I use SmallPDF and PDFEscape, which allow you to insert text and draw signatures. If a company requires a fax then I find a fax service online where I upload the document and it's faxed for me. I've found free services, but the last service I used was a dollar. If the forms are not sent to me digitally, then I simply go get a copy of those forms online since the IRS offers them anyway.
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justified for a company to have me fill out all new hire forms without compensation and on my own time
Sure, if you do it.
Unsure if they wanted you to do it on your own time or not. If it was a hassle for me I'd just take the forms in on my first day and use their resources.
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The bigger question is if it's worth having a fight with your new employer over it. I've had situations where it's been done both on or off the clock. Whether you are prepared to wear the $5 is a decision you will have to make.
If it were me, I'd let it go and just get on with my new role. It's a once-off and part of the onboarding process, so making a fuss about it probably isn't useful :)
answered 4 hours ago
Jane SJane S
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Completely agreed. I thought to myself, $5? I mean, we're talking something like 15 minutes (at most) of your new salary with the company. Let it slide.
– Kevin
3 hours ago
@JustCurious I'm not sure if you're addressing me or Kevin, but my answer doesn't judge the amount of money or time. My answer simply suggests that you have to make a judgment call on whether that time and money is worth more than starting a new job on the wrong foot. That is and must be your decision.
– Jane S
3 hours ago
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The bigger question is if it's worth having a fight with your new employer over it. I've had situations where it's been done both on or off the clock. Whether you are prepared to wear the $5 is a decision you will have to make.
If it were me, I'd let it go and just get on with my new role. It's a once-off and part of the onboarding process, so making a fuss about it probably isn't useful :)
answered 4 hours ago
Jane SJane S
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Completely agreed. I thought to myself, $5? I mean, we're talking something like 15 minutes (at most) of your new salary with the company. Let it slide.
– Kevin
3 hours ago
@JustCurious I'm not sure if you're addressing me or Kevin, but my answer doesn't judge the amount of money or time. My answer simply suggests that you have to make a judgment call on whether that time and money is worth more than starting a new job on the wrong foot. That is and must be your decision.
– Jane S
3 hours ago
add a comment
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The bigger question is if it's worth having a fight with your new employer over it. I've had situations where it's been done both on or off the clock. Whether you are prepared to wear the $5 is a decision you will have to make.
If it were me, I'd let it go and just get on with my new role. It's a once-off and part of the onboarding process, so making a fuss about it probably isn't useful :)
answered 4 hours ago
Jane SJane S
44.5k18 gold badges136 silver badges168 bronze badges
The bigger question is if it's worth having a fight with your new employer over it. I've had situations where it's been done both on or off the clock. Whether you are prepared to wear the $5 is a decision you will have to make.
If it were me, I'd let it go and just get on with my new role. It's a once-off and part of the onboarding process, so making a fuss about it probably isn't useful :)
answered 4 hours ago
Jane SJane S
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answered 4 hours ago
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answered 4 hours ago
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answered 4 hours ago
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Completely agreed. I thought to myself, $5? I mean, we're talking something like 15 minutes (at most) of your new salary with the company. Let it slide.
– Kevin
3 hours ago
@JustCurious I'm not sure if you're addressing me or Kevin, but my answer doesn't judge the amount of money or time. My answer simply suggests that you have to make a judgment call on whether that time and money is worth more than starting a new job on the wrong foot. That is and must be your decision.
– Jane S
3 hours ago
add a comment
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1
Completely agreed. I thought to myself, $5? I mean, we're talking something like 15 minutes (at most) of your new salary with the company. Let it slide.
– Kevin
3 hours ago
@JustCurious I'm not sure if you're addressing me or Kevin, but my answer doesn't judge the amount of money or time. My answer simply suggests that you have to make a judgment call on whether that time and money is worth more than starting a new job on the wrong foot. That is and must be your decision.
– Jane S
3 hours ago
1
1
Completely agreed. I thought to myself, $5? I mean, we're talking something like 15 minutes (at most) of your new salary with the company. Let it slide.
– Kevin
3 hours ago
Completely agreed. I thought to myself, $5? I mean, we're talking something like 15 minutes (at most) of your new salary with the company. Let it slide.
– Kevin
3 hours ago
@JustCurious I'm not sure if you're addressing me or Kevin, but my answer doesn't judge the amount of money or time. My answer simply suggests that you have to make a judgment call on whether that time and money is worth more than starting a new job on the wrong foot. That is and must be your decision.
– Jane S
3 hours ago
@JustCurious I'm not sure if you're addressing me or Kevin, but my answer doesn't judge the amount of money or time. My answer simply suggests that you have to make a judgment call on whether that time and money is worth more than starting a new job on the wrong foot. That is and must be your decision.
– Jane S
3 hours ago
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You would probably be pleasantly surprised to know that a lot of decent companies will offer you lunch on your first day, or some other means to compensate and welcome you. If not your employer, then one or multiple of your coworkers. Other means of compensation will certainly present themselves.
As for entitlement to compensation, the answer to your question is no unless you have it in your job offer that they will compensate you for any fees that you have to incur in order to finalize your employment. I've had that before, in the form of transportation vouchers. Any form of compensation will certainly be a nice gesture.
As for whether or not it counts as work, the answer to your question is maybe - under §785.11 of the Fair Labor Standards Act, as the FLSA counts anything "suffered or permitted" to work as payable, as long as it reaches certain criteria. If they made it clear that you can do it when you get there, then the answer is no, as a criterion is that it must be mandatory and outside of work hours. Otherwise, then maybe. But I'd advise against it as it's minimal and rocks the boat.
On another note, in the future, might I suggest free services, or at least free trials of services, that offer signatures? I use SmallPDF and PDFEscape, which allow you to insert text and draw signatures. If a company requires a fax then I find a fax service online where I upload the document and it's faxed for me. I've found free services, but the last service I used was a dollar. If the forms are not sent to me digitally, then I simply go get a copy of those forms online since the IRS offers them anyway.
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You would probably be pleasantly surprised to know that a lot of decent companies will offer you lunch on your first day, or some other means to compensate and welcome you. If not your employer, then one or multiple of your coworkers. Other means of compensation will certainly present themselves.
As for entitlement to compensation, the answer to your question is no unless you have it in your job offer that they will compensate you for any fees that you have to incur in order to finalize your employment. I've had that before, in the form of transportation vouchers. Any form of compensation will certainly be a nice gesture.
As for whether or not it counts as work, the answer to your question is maybe - under §785.11 of the Fair Labor Standards Act, as the FLSA counts anything "suffered or permitted" to work as payable, as long as it reaches certain criteria. If they made it clear that you can do it when you get there, then the answer is no, as a criterion is that it must be mandatory and outside of work hours. Otherwise, then maybe. But I'd advise against it as it's minimal and rocks the boat.
On another note, in the future, might I suggest free services, or at least free trials of services, that offer signatures? I use SmallPDF and PDFEscape, which allow you to insert text and draw signatures. If a company requires a fax then I find a fax service online where I upload the document and it's faxed for me. I've found free services, but the last service I used was a dollar. If the forms are not sent to me digitally, then I simply go get a copy of those forms online since the IRS offers them anyway.
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You would probably be pleasantly surprised to know that a lot of decent companies will offer you lunch on your first day, or some other means to compensate and welcome you. If not your employer, then one or multiple of your coworkers. Other means of compensation will certainly present themselves.
As for entitlement to compensation, the answer to your question is no unless you have it in your job offer that they will compensate you for any fees that you have to incur in order to finalize your employment. I've had that before, in the form of transportation vouchers. Any form of compensation will certainly be a nice gesture.
As for whether or not it counts as work, the answer to your question is maybe - under §785.11 of the Fair Labor Standards Act, as the FLSA counts anything "suffered or permitted" to work as payable, as long as it reaches certain criteria. If they made it clear that you can do it when you get there, then the answer is no, as a criterion is that it must be mandatory and outside of work hours. Otherwise, then maybe. But I'd advise against it as it's minimal and rocks the boat.
On another note, in the future, might I suggest free services, or at least free trials of services, that offer signatures? I use SmallPDF and PDFEscape, which allow you to insert text and draw signatures. If a company requires a fax then I find a fax service online where I upload the document and it's faxed for me. I've found free services, but the last service I used was a dollar. If the forms are not sent to me digitally, then I simply go get a copy of those forms online since the IRS offers them anyway.
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You would probably be pleasantly surprised to know that a lot of decent companies will offer you lunch on your first day, or some other means to compensate and welcome you. If not your employer, then one or multiple of your coworkers. Other means of compensation will certainly present themselves.
As for entitlement to compensation, the answer to your question is no unless you have it in your job offer that they will compensate you for any fees that you have to incur in order to finalize your employment. I've had that before, in the form of transportation vouchers. Any form of compensation will certainly be a nice gesture.
As for whether or not it counts as work, the answer to your question is maybe - under §785.11 of the Fair Labor Standards Act, as the FLSA counts anything "suffered or permitted" to work as payable, as long as it reaches certain criteria. If they made it clear that you can do it when you get there, then the answer is no, as a criterion is that it must be mandatory and outside of work hours. Otherwise, then maybe. But I'd advise against it as it's minimal and rocks the boat.
On another note, in the future, might I suggest free services, or at least free trials of services, that offer signatures? I use SmallPDF and PDFEscape, which allow you to insert text and draw signatures. If a company requires a fax then I find a fax service online where I upload the document and it's faxed for me. I've found free services, but the last service I used was a dollar. If the forms are not sent to me digitally, then I simply go get a copy of those forms online since the IRS offers them anyway.
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justified for a company to have me fill out all new hire forms without compensation and on my own time
Sure, if you do it.
Unsure if they wanted you to do it on your own time or not. If it was a hassle for me I'd just take the forms in on my first day and use their resources.
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justified for a company to have me fill out all new hire forms without compensation and on my own time
Sure, if you do it.
Unsure if they wanted you to do it on your own time or not. If it was a hassle for me I'd just take the forms in on my first day and use their resources.
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justified for a company to have me fill out all new hire forms without compensation and on my own time
Sure, if you do it.
Unsure if they wanted you to do it on your own time or not. If it was a hassle for me I'd just take the forms in on my first day and use their resources.
answered 4 hours ago
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justified for a company to have me fill out all new hire forms without compensation and on my own time
Sure, if you do it.
Unsure if they wanted you to do it on your own time or not. If it was a hassle for me I'd just take the forms in on my first day and use their resources.
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– Kilisi
4 hours ago
If the new hire forms are for yourself, I don't think this counts as work. Its simply paper work to ensure you are hired and the relevant information is on their system when you start to work. It is pretty easy to fill out forms digitally using Adobe PDF, and even the free versions have signature options that use a picture.
– Shadowzee
4 hours ago
I am actually shocked that someone would think this.
– Keltari
51 mins ago