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Why has Speaker Pelosi been so hesitant to impeach President Trump?
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I am curious as to why Nancy Pelosi (until 9/24/2019 17:00 EDT) seemed to be so reluctant to push for Donald Trump's impeachment. It seems that the Democratic Party is becoming increasingly outraged by what they perceive as Trump's corruption; lack of respect for the law and continued stonewalling of Congressional oversight. So, it appears that she is quite at odds with a large contingent of her party.
Has Nancy Pelosi made any public statements about why she is not supporting a push for impeachment, or what line Trump would have to cross, before she would support it?
The obvious answer is that she is concerned any push for impeachment would galvanize Trump's support base. But, is it that simple? What has she said?
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I am curious as to why Nancy Pelosi (until 9/24/2019 17:00 EDT) seemed to be so reluctant to push for Donald Trump's impeachment. It seems that the Democratic Party is becoming increasingly outraged by what they perceive as Trump's corruption; lack of respect for the law and continued stonewalling of Congressional oversight. So, it appears that she is quite at odds with a large contingent of her party.
Has Nancy Pelosi made any public statements about why she is not supporting a push for impeachment, or what line Trump would have to cross, before she would support it?
The obvious answer is that she is concerned any push for impeachment would galvanize Trump's support base. But, is it that simple? What has she said?
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"The obvious answer is that she is concerned any push for impeachment would galvanize Trump's support base." Doesn't this belong in an answer, not in the question?
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Might be a good idea to reference some experts or some documentation of those crimes (about 10 counts of obstruction of justice, and being named Michael Cohen's un-indicted co-conspirator in the federal crimes which now have Cohen serving time). It might lessen the pointless and ignorant comments this question receives.
– CrackpotCrocodile
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– Philipp♦
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Update: In the time since this question was submitted, Speaker Pelosi has changed her stance and announced the House will open a formal impeachment inquiry.
– Seth R
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Perhaps a better title would be "Why has Speaker Pelosi been so hesitant to impeach President Trump?"
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I am curious as to why Nancy Pelosi (until 9/24/2019 17:00 EDT) seemed to be so reluctant to push for Donald Trump's impeachment. It seems that the Democratic Party is becoming increasingly outraged by what they perceive as Trump's corruption; lack of respect for the law and continued stonewalling of Congressional oversight. So, it appears that she is quite at odds with a large contingent of her party.
Has Nancy Pelosi made any public statements about why she is not supporting a push for impeachment, or what line Trump would have to cross, before she would support it?
The obvious answer is that she is concerned any push for impeachment would galvanize Trump's support base. But, is it that simple? What has she said?
united-states donald-trump democratic-party impeachment
I am curious as to why Nancy Pelosi (until 9/24/2019 17:00 EDT) seemed to be so reluctant to push for Donald Trump's impeachment. It seems that the Democratic Party is becoming increasingly outraged by what they perceive as Trump's corruption; lack of respect for the law and continued stonewalling of Congressional oversight. So, it appears that she is quite at odds with a large contingent of her party.
Has Nancy Pelosi made any public statements about why she is not supporting a push for impeachment, or what line Trump would have to cross, before she would support it?
The obvious answer is that she is concerned any push for impeachment would galvanize Trump's support base. But, is it that simple? What has she said?
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"The obvious answer is that she is concerned any push for impeachment would galvanize Trump's support base." Doesn't this belong in an answer, not in the question?
– sevenbrokenbricks
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Might be a good idea to reference some experts or some documentation of those crimes (about 10 counts of obstruction of justice, and being named Michael Cohen's un-indicted co-conspirator in the federal crimes which now have Cohen serving time). It might lessen the pointless and ignorant comments this question receives.
– CrackpotCrocodile
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– Philipp♦
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Update: In the time since this question was submitted, Speaker Pelosi has changed her stance and announced the House will open a formal impeachment inquiry.
– Seth R
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Perhaps a better title would be "Why has Speaker Pelosi been so hesitant to impeach President Trump?"
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"The obvious answer is that she is concerned any push for impeachment would galvanize Trump's support base." Doesn't this belong in an answer, not in the question?
– sevenbrokenbricks
18 hours ago
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Might be a good idea to reference some experts or some documentation of those crimes (about 10 counts of obstruction of justice, and being named Michael Cohen's un-indicted co-conspirator in the federal crimes which now have Cohen serving time). It might lessen the pointless and ignorant comments this question receives.
– CrackpotCrocodile
14 hours ago
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Comments deleted. Please don't use comments to answer the question. If you would like to answer the question, please post a real answer which adheres to our quality standards.
– Philipp♦
11 hours ago
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Update: In the time since this question was submitted, Speaker Pelosi has changed her stance and announced the House will open a formal impeachment inquiry.
– Seth R
3 hours ago
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Perhaps a better title would be "Why has Speaker Pelosi been so hesitant to impeach President Trump?"
– divibisan
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"The obvious answer is that she is concerned any push for impeachment would galvanize Trump's support base." Doesn't this belong in an answer, not in the question?
– sevenbrokenbricks
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"The obvious answer is that she is concerned any push for impeachment would galvanize Trump's support base." Doesn't this belong in an answer, not in the question?
– sevenbrokenbricks
18 hours ago
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Might be a good idea to reference some experts or some documentation of those crimes (about 10 counts of obstruction of justice, and being named Michael Cohen's un-indicted co-conspirator in the federal crimes which now have Cohen serving time). It might lessen the pointless and ignorant comments this question receives.
– CrackpotCrocodile
14 hours ago
Might be a good idea to reference some experts or some documentation of those crimes (about 10 counts of obstruction of justice, and being named Michael Cohen's un-indicted co-conspirator in the federal crimes which now have Cohen serving time). It might lessen the pointless and ignorant comments this question receives.
– CrackpotCrocodile
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Update: In the time since this question was submitted, Speaker Pelosi has changed her stance and announced the House will open a formal impeachment inquiry.
– Seth R
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Update: In the time since this question was submitted, Speaker Pelosi has changed her stance and announced the House will open a formal impeachment inquiry.
– Seth R
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Perhaps a better title would be "Why has Speaker Pelosi been so hesitant to impeach President Trump?"
– divibisan
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Has Nancy Pelosi made any public statements about why she is not supporting a push for impeachment, or what line Trump would have to cross, before she would support it?
On September 20, 2019, House Speaker Pelosi gave an interview to NPR, Pelosi Says Congress Should Pass New Laws So Sitting Presidents Can Be Indicted.
But despite the growing chants among Democrats for an impeachment inquiry in the House, Pelosi has remained reluctant about recourse. She fears it could alienate swing voters ahead of next year's elections and imperil moderate Democrats who were critical to her party's taking back the House last November.
Pelosi did not shift her position on impeachment and said Congress would continue to follow "the facts and the law."
From an earlier, linked, article, Who In The House Is Calling For Impeachment? updated September 17, 2019:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., now stands apart from most of her caucus in opposing such a move, at least for now. She recently cited ongoing litigation as a reason she is not ready to advance an impeachment process.
"My position has always been: Whatever decision we made [regarding impeachment] would have to be done with our strongest possible hand, and we still have some outstanding matters in the courts," Pelosi said during a news conference in July. "We have subpoenas in the courts. ... When we get that information we can make that judgment. ... This isn't endless, understand that. But we have live cases in the courts."
Pelosi, who has the most influential voice in the decision whether to move forward, has repeatedly stated that she is focused on public sentiment on the issue. She also stresses the need to focus on current congressional committee investigations into Trump before considering impeachment articles.
There is no line President Trump would have to cross; rather, it depends on facts and public sentiment.
From What Nancy Pelosi Learned From the Clinton Impeachment, June 19, 2019:
Drew Hammill, Pelosi’s deputy chief of staff, told me she was too busy to talk about her own takeaways from the Clinton impeachment. But the House speaker has hardly kept her broader views a secret, making it clear that she prefers to have the relevant House committees continue their investigations into Trump’s potential misdeeds, and pressing the courts for access to documents and witnesses as needed in the face of the White House’s stonewalling. She hasn’t totally ruled out impeachment, but unlike some of her colleagues, she has been wary to commit. “Well, it’s not off the table,” Pelosi told CNN’s Manu Raju on Wednesday. “I don’t think you should impeach for political reasons, and I don’t think you should not impeach for political reasons. It’s not about politics. It’s not about Democrats and Republicans. It’s not about partisanship. It’s about patriotism to our country.”
Quotes reported after 5 PM, September 24, 2019
Pelosi launches formal Trump impeachment inquiry -- live updates, UPDATED ON: SEPTEMBER 24, 2019 / 6:40 PM / CBS NEWS:
5:43 p.m.:
"I'm directing our six committees to proceed with their investigations under that umbrella of impeachment inquiry," Pelosi said in her announcement.
5:57 p.m.:
Pelosi on Tuesday outlined the rationale behind her decision to launch a formal impeachment inquiry, a shift from her earlier reluctance to do so.
"The president must be held accountable," she said. "No one is above the law."
6:13 p.m.:
Later in the Capitol, Pelosi told reporters the Ukraine episode marked a "sea change" in how she approached the question of impeachment, and said it was a "sad day" for the country.
"The president of the United States has admitted that he spoke to the president of another country -- that would be the Ukraine -- about something that would assist him in his election," she said. "So, that has changed everything."
Pelosi said the inspector general's determination that the whistleblower complaint constitutes an "urgent concern" meant she "accelerated the pace of how we go forward" with the inquiry.
6:40 p.m.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the House is launching a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump, setting up a dramatic constitutional clash just over a year before the presidential election.
"Today I'm announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry," Pelosi said in a scathing statement at the Capitol late Tuesday afternoon.
The speaker has long resisted calls from many progressive lawmakers to initiate impeachment proceedings against the president, but Democrats appear to have reached a breaking point over the administration's refusal to hand over a whistleblower complaint related to Mr. Trump's interaction with a foreign leader.
Apparently there are some recent developments today on Pelosi's position. This answer could benefit from an update to reflect those updates.
– Alexander O'Mara
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@AlexanderO'Mara - The question time frame was set as 5PM EDT as the latest. The problem, for me, is finding a direct quote prior to that time. I am not opposed to adding later quotes; but I prefer to try to answer the question as asked.
– Rick Smith
1 hour ago
You're choice, but I think an update would be warented in this case, especially since it's still active and on the HNQ list.
– Alexander O'Mara
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An attempt to remove Trump from office via impeachment would likely fail because it requires a huge amount of Republican support, and Nancy Pelosi has a good enough reading of Congress to know that the support isn't there. Not even close.
If an impeachment attempt fails, then Trump may try to use it to proclaim himself innocent of any and all wrongdoing ever, and this might influence the small, but politically significant sliver of voters who are both sitting on the fence between Republican and Democrat.
Update: Looks like Pelosi may now feel the situation has changed.
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While I personally think this is a very plausible reason, the question is looking for statements from Pelosi herself. Please find a quote to back this up.
– Bobson
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Technical note: impeachment of a US federal official (e.g, the President) requires a simple majority in the House of Representatives, which currently has 235 Democrats, 198 Republicans, 1 independent, and 1 empty seat. So impeachment would not require any Republican support (rather than "a huge amount" as you say). Regardless of the outcome in the Senate, after a majority vote in the House, a president has been impeached (see Clinton and Jackson, who were both impeached by the house but not convicted by the Senate).
– De Novo
21 hours ago
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To clarify, I was using "impeach successfully" as shorthand to mean "impeach successfully and convict successfully".
– klojj
19 hours ago
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I don't think hardly anyone falls into that category you describe. I do think that there are real and valid fears that it would shore up any waning enthusiasm among moderate Republicans who might otherwise stay home next November.
– Jared Smith
11 hours ago
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I hate it when a generally decent answer gets sucked down a hole because the answer swerves into bias-land. First paragraph: awesome. Second paragraph: hyperbolic to start, followed by accusing Trump of gaslighting and anyone disagreeing with impeachment as gullible. You believe that? Cool. But that doesn't need to go into the answer. The second paragraph should simply be, "If an impeachment attempt fails to deliver a guilty verdict, this could be spun as 'Innocent' instead of Not-Guilty by Trump." There - no hyperbole, no smearing, no bias - just a straight-forward answer.
– Kevin
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There is a line of thought that says impeachment should only occur if there is enough public support. Pelosi adheres to this philosophy, and won't publicly push for impeachment until public support is stronger (as of June, a Fox News poll suggests ~50% of registered voters support impeachment).
Below are sources for the first part about public opinion, and following are sources for Pelosi's views.
On public opinion:
Public opinion is a key factor in impeachment proceedings, as politicians including those in the House of Representatives look to opinion polls to assess the tenor of those they represent.[211][212][213] Any action would have to be based on the requisite legal grounds for impeachment, but such action is more likely to be taken in the face of support from public opinion.[211][212][213]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump
Relevant sources from the wiki quote:
Public opinion matters because for impeachment to happen, Congress must act, and elected officials sometimes hang their principles on opinion polls.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/16/donald-trump-impeachment-russia-investigation-nixon
But to actually kickstart start the mechanism for removing him from office there would probably have to be a shift in public opinion.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-impeached-what-would-happen-president-sexual-assault-fraud-university-a7409736.html
But ultimately, the probability of a push for impeachment succeeding is dependent on public opinion.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/could-donald-trump-be-impeached-as-president/news-story/a8a08f0355d9aebe815647a67fe5476b
Pelosi's views:
Pelosi told House Democrats on a conference call Friday, “The public isn’t there on impeachment.”
She told them the case needs to be “as strong” as possible.
“If and when we act, people will know he gave us no choice,” Pelosi said, according to an aide granted anonymity to discuss the private call.
https://www.apnews.com/347a9835cb994b16915df056f39ab4d7
"You're wasting your time, unless the evidence is so conclusive that the Republicans will understand," Pelosi, D-Calif., told USA TODAY. "Otherwise, it's a gift to the president. We take our eye off the ball."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/19/nancy-pelosi-impeachment-gift-donald-trump-without-gop-support/3211241002/
On Monday night, 146 Democrats backed impeachment, well over a majority of the caucus. But Pelosi has long said that any impeachment would need public support as well as backing from some Republicans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-quietly-sounding-out-house-democrats-about-whether-to-impeach-trump-officials-say/2019/09/23/98a33fd8-de5f-11e9-8fd3-d943b4ed57e0_story.html
In both public and private, Pelosi, a 32-year House veteran who did not make any public remarks on Monday, has argued that Democrats should aggressively investigate Trump but shouldn’t move on impeachment without overwhelming support from the public and buy-in from Republicans
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/462696-pressure-on-pelosi-to-impeach-trump-grows
Isn't this the same thing she condemns the Republicans for doing -- refusing to push against Trump, even when they thing it's the right thing to do, because it will harm them or their party politically?
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
@DavidSchwartz - Arguably, yes it is. That's the counter-argument: If its the Right Thing (tm) to do for the country, then it should be done and damn the personal/party consequences. Who's going to want to support a party that won't even stand up and fight for its country? Why would anyone want to hand the reins of power to such?
– T.E.D.
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I've upvoted the BurnsBA answer, but let's talk a little bit about why some people think Impeachment proceedings would be a bad thing without public support.
The last time (of the 2 in history!) that the House of Representatives underwent impeachment proceedings was in October of 1998 under President Bill Clinton. At the time, the opposition party controlled both houses of Congress, but were a dozen seats short of the required 2/3 majority in the Senate. Still, they could, in theory, have simply voted Clinton out of office if they could find something he did that they could argue was sufficient justification for it enough to convince a small handful of Democratic Senators.
A storm of investigations followed. During one of them, Clinton made an assertion under oath about his sex life that was later shown to be untrue (which is perjury), and Newt Gingrich's Congress seized upon that to attempt the impeachment. Most of the charges sailed though the House on a nearly party line vote, starting the "trial phase" in the Senate. It was conveniently timed for after the election of 1998, which Republicans had hoped might gain them some more seats to help the process forward. Presidential 6th year Congressional elections are notorious for going badly for the sitting President's party, and they were hoping the Impeachment process would help things along.
There's where things started to fall apart for the Republicans. The trial lasted over a month, and during that time public support for impeachment and the Republicans in general did nothing but deteriorate. Few Americans who weren't hardcore Republicans actually supported impeachment going in, and those numbers just did not increase as it wore on.
The Republicans actually lost seats in the House in the election of 1998 (but managed to at least hold steady in the Senate). This was the worst mid-term performance for an opposition party in 64 years, and the politically ugly impeachment process was largely blamed. Newt Gingrich in disgrace not only resigned the Speakership, but the entire House of Representatives.
For sure, hardcore activist Republicans were demanding impeachment. However, the whole procedure was viewed by many of the rest as a naked attempt by the Republican Party to abuse the impeachment process to undo a democratic election they had lost. Clinton was actually fairly popular going in, but his popularity soared to 64% by the end.
So this is the ghost Nancy Pelosi is fighting. This all happened in her first two terms in Congress, so she got to witness it up close and personal. What she doesn't want is that same kind of political backfire happening to her and her party.
"6th year presidential elections" -- what is this?
– Roger
5 hours ago
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@Roger - Oh my, that is confusing. I've tried again with "Presidential 6th year Congressional elections". There are Congressional elections (all of The House and 1/3rd of the Senate) every 2 years. The President can serve at most 2 terms, which is 8 years. At his 0th and 4th year the President himself is up for election, and the winner's party tends to do well. On the "off-year" elections (2 and 6), his party tends to do badly. The one on their 6th year is particularly ill-starred. Actually gaining seats on that year is quite an accomplishment.
– T.E.D.
5 hours ago
I think this answer really gets to the heart of the issue. Pelosi, with good reason, believes that impeachment would achieve nothing -- Trump wouldn't be convicted by the senate and it wouldn't help her party electorally.
– Thomas
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I think you've answered your own question.
You don't cite a single "high crime or misdemeanor" that Pelosi can use as a basis for impeachment.
Instead, you cite "Trump's perceived level of corruption" and "..apparent lack of respect for the law..". So you expect her to push for impeachment based solely on perceptions and appearances?
Maybe she understands that real evidence of a real crime is necessary for impeachment, and nobody has yet produced such evidence against Trump.
As you noted in your question, there are only "perceived" and "apparent" crimes.
I'll add that a big chunk of the population finds these perceptions and appearances to be nothing more than defamation.
So, with no corroborating evidence, and a substantial percentage of the electorate not buying into the anti-Trump narratives, and a Republican-controlled Senate, maybe her reluctance to pursue impeachment is the result of a prudent political calculation. This would be consistent with her long-time reputation as a dispassionate and data-driven political operative.
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation about what the Mueller report says has been moved to chat.
– Philipp♦
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Restoring an important +30 comment that debunks this posting: ⚠️ Over 1000 former federal prosecutors (including Republicans) can identify crimes! Donald Trump has been named Michael Cohen's un-indicted co-conspirator in the federal crimes which now have Cohen serving time. Even the redacted Mueller Report has about 10 counts of obstruction of justice. This answer is shamefully untruthful.
– CrackpotCrocodile
3 hours ago
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The blog post you cite with support from over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" and listing a series of "crimes" in the Mueller Report, conveniently ignores one key piece of information: The ONE federal prosecutor who conducted the investigation found insufficient evidence to charge the President with any crime.
– Michael_B
2 hours ago
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THAT federal prosecutor concluded that an indictment of the president was not warranted. I'll take that over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" who weren't involved in the process. Lastly, simply because you don't like my answer, doesn't mean I'm untruthful.
– Michael_B
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🔥🔥🔥 Liar liar pants on fire! 🔥🔥🔥 As has already been explained to you, Mueller explicitly said he did not make that conclusion, because he was turning over evidence for others to decide upon. Why do you keep shamelessly lying about this? This is why I think we have no choice but to flag this answer as rude/abusive, because you are clearly trolling to spread false information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
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Pelosi has two jobs that conflict over this issue.
First, she's the Speaker of the House, and as such, is in charge of half of the legislative and checks-and-balances powers of Congress. Second, she's the de-facto leader of Democrats in the House.
As Speaker of the House, she is mandated to begin impeachment proceedings in order to serve the House's role as a check on the President's power, irregardless of the inevitability of Senate partisans blocking the impeachment. Withholding Federal aid to a country unless they help to smear a political opponent is black-and-white impeachment territory.
But as de-facto leader of a political party, Pelosi has a lot of experience with the 'horse show' aspect of Congress, and what the American people will or will not accept, and will or will not do in response to actions she takes. She knows that any attempt at impeaching the President will be spun by Republicans as a partisan attack and used as a rallying cry by Republicans in 2020. Likewise, she is practical enough to know that her doing her congressional mandate but the Republicans not doing theirs will result in absolutely nothing happening. So to have Democrats potentially facing a backlash in 2020 for no political payoff is to neglect one duty to fulfill another.
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By this logic, Pelosi is also mandated to impeach Biden who admitted several times from withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped. This is a non-trivial matter because impeachment would preclude Biden from ever holding public office again.
– K Dog
6 hours ago
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@KDog: Source for Biden "admitting withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped"?
– jalynn2
6 hours ago
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@KDog The old prosecutor (Viktor Shokin) was a Yanyukovich appointee, and so was Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma Holdings. The new prosecutor was from the post-Euromaidan government. It strains credibility that the Ukrainian old guard would be more interested in prosecuting their own than someone from a government that ostensibly wants to clean up shop.
– Carduus
6 hours ago
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@jalynn2 And it's not the first time Biden bragged about it either: I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time. cfr.org/event/…
– K Dog
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@KDog It kinda invalidates your whole point to Jalynn if Victor Shokin was obstructing investigations and Biden got rid of him.
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I can't read Pelosi's mind, and I doubt anyone else here can. However, I might guess that it is simple partisan politics. It takes a 2/3 majority of Senators to actually convict on an impeachment, and almost all Senate Republicans have shown themselves willing to support Trump, whatever he does. This would make conviction impossible, so an impeachment would be nothing more than pointless political theater.
Indeed, an impeachment that failed to convict might actually benefit Trump politically.
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Thanks for your answer. However, I would like to point out that, regarding 'reading Pelosi's mind', I asked specifically whether she has made any public statements on the matter.
– Time4Tea
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It's pretty difficult to draw clear conclusions about the political consequences of impeachment sans conviction. There have been two impeachments of US presidents, with no convictions. Jackson and Clinton were both acquitted. Clinton and his party were likely helped, Jackson and his party were likely harmed. Much will depend on the particular case. Clinton was a popular president in his second term. For Jackson, there was no scientific polling, but he was never elected in the first place, and was denied his party's nomination in 1868. Trump, as often is the case, is a bit of a wild card.
– De Novo
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@DeNovo You mean Andrew Johnson, not Jackson
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Because, Pelosi knows politics and knows history.
The last time the congress tried to impeach a president on the grounds of partisan politics, it ended up helping bill clinton.
And she has made comments to that effects on numerous occasions.
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I haven't voted on your question either way... but can you quote such a comment from Pelosi?
– Fizz
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@Fizz: I actually tried looking for it. But unfortunately it has proven impossible, because GOOGLE prioritizes recent stories in the result. when I search "trump pelosi impeachment" I got so many thousands of hits from just the last 48 hours, I had to give up. But if you trust my memory, that's what I remembered reading over the last 18 months.
– dolphin_of_france
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@dolphin_of_france: You can easily work around that by searching results with a maximum date using the Tools tab to the right under the search bar.
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You are assuming that trump would be impeached (solely) "on the grounds of partisan politics,
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Has Nancy Pelosi made any public statements about why she is not supporting a push for impeachment, or what line Trump would have to cross, before she would support it?
On September 20, 2019, House Speaker Pelosi gave an interview to NPR, Pelosi Says Congress Should Pass New Laws So Sitting Presidents Can Be Indicted.
But despite the growing chants among Democrats for an impeachment inquiry in the House, Pelosi has remained reluctant about recourse. She fears it could alienate swing voters ahead of next year's elections and imperil moderate Democrats who were critical to her party's taking back the House last November.
Pelosi did not shift her position on impeachment and said Congress would continue to follow "the facts and the law."
From an earlier, linked, article, Who In The House Is Calling For Impeachment? updated September 17, 2019:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., now stands apart from most of her caucus in opposing such a move, at least for now. She recently cited ongoing litigation as a reason she is not ready to advance an impeachment process.
"My position has always been: Whatever decision we made [regarding impeachment] would have to be done with our strongest possible hand, and we still have some outstanding matters in the courts," Pelosi said during a news conference in July. "We have subpoenas in the courts. ... When we get that information we can make that judgment. ... This isn't endless, understand that. But we have live cases in the courts."
Pelosi, who has the most influential voice in the decision whether to move forward, has repeatedly stated that she is focused on public sentiment on the issue. She also stresses the need to focus on current congressional committee investigations into Trump before considering impeachment articles.
There is no line President Trump would have to cross; rather, it depends on facts and public sentiment.
From What Nancy Pelosi Learned From the Clinton Impeachment, June 19, 2019:
Drew Hammill, Pelosi’s deputy chief of staff, told me she was too busy to talk about her own takeaways from the Clinton impeachment. But the House speaker has hardly kept her broader views a secret, making it clear that she prefers to have the relevant House committees continue their investigations into Trump’s potential misdeeds, and pressing the courts for access to documents and witnesses as needed in the face of the White House’s stonewalling. She hasn’t totally ruled out impeachment, but unlike some of her colleagues, she has been wary to commit. “Well, it’s not off the table,” Pelosi told CNN’s Manu Raju on Wednesday. “I don’t think you should impeach for political reasons, and I don’t think you should not impeach for political reasons. It’s not about politics. It’s not about Democrats and Republicans. It’s not about partisanship. It’s about patriotism to our country.”
Quotes reported after 5 PM, September 24, 2019
Pelosi launches formal Trump impeachment inquiry -- live updates, UPDATED ON: SEPTEMBER 24, 2019 / 6:40 PM / CBS NEWS:
5:43 p.m.:
"I'm directing our six committees to proceed with their investigations under that umbrella of impeachment inquiry," Pelosi said in her announcement.
5:57 p.m.:
Pelosi on Tuesday outlined the rationale behind her decision to launch a formal impeachment inquiry, a shift from her earlier reluctance to do so.
"The president must be held accountable," she said. "No one is above the law."
6:13 p.m.:
Later in the Capitol, Pelosi told reporters the Ukraine episode marked a "sea change" in how she approached the question of impeachment, and said it was a "sad day" for the country.
"The president of the United States has admitted that he spoke to the president of another country -- that would be the Ukraine -- about something that would assist him in his election," she said. "So, that has changed everything."
Pelosi said the inspector general's determination that the whistleblower complaint constitutes an "urgent concern" meant she "accelerated the pace of how we go forward" with the inquiry.
6:40 p.m.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the House is launching a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump, setting up a dramatic constitutional clash just over a year before the presidential election.
"Today I'm announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry," Pelosi said in a scathing statement at the Capitol late Tuesday afternoon.
The speaker has long resisted calls from many progressive lawmakers to initiate impeachment proceedings against the president, but Democrats appear to have reached a breaking point over the administration's refusal to hand over a whistleblower complaint related to Mr. Trump's interaction with a foreign leader.
Apparently there are some recent developments today on Pelosi's position. This answer could benefit from an update to reflect those updates.
– Alexander O'Mara
2 hours ago
@AlexanderO'Mara - The question time frame was set as 5PM EDT as the latest. The problem, for me, is finding a direct quote prior to that time. I am not opposed to adding later quotes; but I prefer to try to answer the question as asked.
– Rick Smith
1 hour ago
You're choice, but I think an update would be warented in this case, especially since it's still active and on the HNQ list.
– Alexander O'Mara
1 hour ago
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Has Nancy Pelosi made any public statements about why she is not supporting a push for impeachment, or what line Trump would have to cross, before she would support it?
On September 20, 2019, House Speaker Pelosi gave an interview to NPR, Pelosi Says Congress Should Pass New Laws So Sitting Presidents Can Be Indicted.
But despite the growing chants among Democrats for an impeachment inquiry in the House, Pelosi has remained reluctant about recourse. She fears it could alienate swing voters ahead of next year's elections and imperil moderate Democrats who were critical to her party's taking back the House last November.
Pelosi did not shift her position on impeachment and said Congress would continue to follow "the facts and the law."
From an earlier, linked, article, Who In The House Is Calling For Impeachment? updated September 17, 2019:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., now stands apart from most of her caucus in opposing such a move, at least for now. She recently cited ongoing litigation as a reason she is not ready to advance an impeachment process.
"My position has always been: Whatever decision we made [regarding impeachment] would have to be done with our strongest possible hand, and we still have some outstanding matters in the courts," Pelosi said during a news conference in July. "We have subpoenas in the courts. ... When we get that information we can make that judgment. ... This isn't endless, understand that. But we have live cases in the courts."
Pelosi, who has the most influential voice in the decision whether to move forward, has repeatedly stated that she is focused on public sentiment on the issue. She also stresses the need to focus on current congressional committee investigations into Trump before considering impeachment articles.
There is no line President Trump would have to cross; rather, it depends on facts and public sentiment.
From What Nancy Pelosi Learned From the Clinton Impeachment, June 19, 2019:
Drew Hammill, Pelosi’s deputy chief of staff, told me she was too busy to talk about her own takeaways from the Clinton impeachment. But the House speaker has hardly kept her broader views a secret, making it clear that she prefers to have the relevant House committees continue their investigations into Trump’s potential misdeeds, and pressing the courts for access to documents and witnesses as needed in the face of the White House’s stonewalling. She hasn’t totally ruled out impeachment, but unlike some of her colleagues, she has been wary to commit. “Well, it’s not off the table,” Pelosi told CNN’s Manu Raju on Wednesday. “I don’t think you should impeach for political reasons, and I don’t think you should not impeach for political reasons. It’s not about politics. It’s not about Democrats and Republicans. It’s not about partisanship. It’s about patriotism to our country.”
Quotes reported after 5 PM, September 24, 2019
Pelosi launches formal Trump impeachment inquiry -- live updates, UPDATED ON: SEPTEMBER 24, 2019 / 6:40 PM / CBS NEWS:
5:43 p.m.:
"I'm directing our six committees to proceed with their investigations under that umbrella of impeachment inquiry," Pelosi said in her announcement.
5:57 p.m.:
Pelosi on Tuesday outlined the rationale behind her decision to launch a formal impeachment inquiry, a shift from her earlier reluctance to do so.
"The president must be held accountable," she said. "No one is above the law."
6:13 p.m.:
Later in the Capitol, Pelosi told reporters the Ukraine episode marked a "sea change" in how she approached the question of impeachment, and said it was a "sad day" for the country.
"The president of the United States has admitted that he spoke to the president of another country -- that would be the Ukraine -- about something that would assist him in his election," she said. "So, that has changed everything."
Pelosi said the inspector general's determination that the whistleblower complaint constitutes an "urgent concern" meant she "accelerated the pace of how we go forward" with the inquiry.
6:40 p.m.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the House is launching a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump, setting up a dramatic constitutional clash just over a year before the presidential election.
"Today I'm announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry," Pelosi said in a scathing statement at the Capitol late Tuesday afternoon.
The speaker has long resisted calls from many progressive lawmakers to initiate impeachment proceedings against the president, but Democrats appear to have reached a breaking point over the administration's refusal to hand over a whistleblower complaint related to Mr. Trump's interaction with a foreign leader.
Apparently there are some recent developments today on Pelosi's position. This answer could benefit from an update to reflect those updates.
– Alexander O'Mara
2 hours ago
@AlexanderO'Mara - The question time frame was set as 5PM EDT as the latest. The problem, for me, is finding a direct quote prior to that time. I am not opposed to adding later quotes; but I prefer to try to answer the question as asked.
– Rick Smith
1 hour ago
You're choice, but I think an update would be warented in this case, especially since it's still active and on the HNQ list.
– Alexander O'Mara
1 hour ago
add a comment
|
Has Nancy Pelosi made any public statements about why she is not supporting a push for impeachment, or what line Trump would have to cross, before she would support it?
On September 20, 2019, House Speaker Pelosi gave an interview to NPR, Pelosi Says Congress Should Pass New Laws So Sitting Presidents Can Be Indicted.
But despite the growing chants among Democrats for an impeachment inquiry in the House, Pelosi has remained reluctant about recourse. She fears it could alienate swing voters ahead of next year's elections and imperil moderate Democrats who were critical to her party's taking back the House last November.
Pelosi did not shift her position on impeachment and said Congress would continue to follow "the facts and the law."
From an earlier, linked, article, Who In The House Is Calling For Impeachment? updated September 17, 2019:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., now stands apart from most of her caucus in opposing such a move, at least for now. She recently cited ongoing litigation as a reason she is not ready to advance an impeachment process.
"My position has always been: Whatever decision we made [regarding impeachment] would have to be done with our strongest possible hand, and we still have some outstanding matters in the courts," Pelosi said during a news conference in July. "We have subpoenas in the courts. ... When we get that information we can make that judgment. ... This isn't endless, understand that. But we have live cases in the courts."
Pelosi, who has the most influential voice in the decision whether to move forward, has repeatedly stated that she is focused on public sentiment on the issue. She also stresses the need to focus on current congressional committee investigations into Trump before considering impeachment articles.
There is no line President Trump would have to cross; rather, it depends on facts and public sentiment.
From What Nancy Pelosi Learned From the Clinton Impeachment, June 19, 2019:
Drew Hammill, Pelosi’s deputy chief of staff, told me she was too busy to talk about her own takeaways from the Clinton impeachment. But the House speaker has hardly kept her broader views a secret, making it clear that she prefers to have the relevant House committees continue their investigations into Trump’s potential misdeeds, and pressing the courts for access to documents and witnesses as needed in the face of the White House’s stonewalling. She hasn’t totally ruled out impeachment, but unlike some of her colleagues, she has been wary to commit. “Well, it’s not off the table,” Pelosi told CNN’s Manu Raju on Wednesday. “I don’t think you should impeach for political reasons, and I don’t think you should not impeach for political reasons. It’s not about politics. It’s not about Democrats and Republicans. It’s not about partisanship. It’s about patriotism to our country.”
Quotes reported after 5 PM, September 24, 2019
Pelosi launches formal Trump impeachment inquiry -- live updates, UPDATED ON: SEPTEMBER 24, 2019 / 6:40 PM / CBS NEWS:
5:43 p.m.:
"I'm directing our six committees to proceed with their investigations under that umbrella of impeachment inquiry," Pelosi said in her announcement.
5:57 p.m.:
Pelosi on Tuesday outlined the rationale behind her decision to launch a formal impeachment inquiry, a shift from her earlier reluctance to do so.
"The president must be held accountable," she said. "No one is above the law."
6:13 p.m.:
Later in the Capitol, Pelosi told reporters the Ukraine episode marked a "sea change" in how she approached the question of impeachment, and said it was a "sad day" for the country.
"The president of the United States has admitted that he spoke to the president of another country -- that would be the Ukraine -- about something that would assist him in his election," she said. "So, that has changed everything."
Pelosi said the inspector general's determination that the whistleblower complaint constitutes an "urgent concern" meant she "accelerated the pace of how we go forward" with the inquiry.
6:40 p.m.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the House is launching a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump, setting up a dramatic constitutional clash just over a year before the presidential election.
"Today I'm announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry," Pelosi said in a scathing statement at the Capitol late Tuesday afternoon.
The speaker has long resisted calls from many progressive lawmakers to initiate impeachment proceedings against the president, but Democrats appear to have reached a breaking point over the administration's refusal to hand over a whistleblower complaint related to Mr. Trump's interaction with a foreign leader.
Has Nancy Pelosi made any public statements about why she is not supporting a push for impeachment, or what line Trump would have to cross, before she would support it?
On September 20, 2019, House Speaker Pelosi gave an interview to NPR, Pelosi Says Congress Should Pass New Laws So Sitting Presidents Can Be Indicted.
But despite the growing chants among Democrats for an impeachment inquiry in the House, Pelosi has remained reluctant about recourse. She fears it could alienate swing voters ahead of next year's elections and imperil moderate Democrats who were critical to her party's taking back the House last November.
Pelosi did not shift her position on impeachment and said Congress would continue to follow "the facts and the law."
From an earlier, linked, article, Who In The House Is Calling For Impeachment? updated September 17, 2019:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., now stands apart from most of her caucus in opposing such a move, at least for now. She recently cited ongoing litigation as a reason she is not ready to advance an impeachment process.
"My position has always been: Whatever decision we made [regarding impeachment] would have to be done with our strongest possible hand, and we still have some outstanding matters in the courts," Pelosi said during a news conference in July. "We have subpoenas in the courts. ... When we get that information we can make that judgment. ... This isn't endless, understand that. But we have live cases in the courts."
Pelosi, who has the most influential voice in the decision whether to move forward, has repeatedly stated that she is focused on public sentiment on the issue. She also stresses the need to focus on current congressional committee investigations into Trump before considering impeachment articles.
There is no line President Trump would have to cross; rather, it depends on facts and public sentiment.
From What Nancy Pelosi Learned From the Clinton Impeachment, June 19, 2019:
Drew Hammill, Pelosi’s deputy chief of staff, told me she was too busy to talk about her own takeaways from the Clinton impeachment. But the House speaker has hardly kept her broader views a secret, making it clear that she prefers to have the relevant House committees continue their investigations into Trump’s potential misdeeds, and pressing the courts for access to documents and witnesses as needed in the face of the White House’s stonewalling. She hasn’t totally ruled out impeachment, but unlike some of her colleagues, she has been wary to commit. “Well, it’s not off the table,” Pelosi told CNN’s Manu Raju on Wednesday. “I don’t think you should impeach for political reasons, and I don’t think you should not impeach for political reasons. It’s not about politics. It’s not about Democrats and Republicans. It’s not about partisanship. It’s about patriotism to our country.”
Quotes reported after 5 PM, September 24, 2019
Pelosi launches formal Trump impeachment inquiry -- live updates, UPDATED ON: SEPTEMBER 24, 2019 / 6:40 PM / CBS NEWS:
5:43 p.m.:
"I'm directing our six committees to proceed with their investigations under that umbrella of impeachment inquiry," Pelosi said in her announcement.
5:57 p.m.:
Pelosi on Tuesday outlined the rationale behind her decision to launch a formal impeachment inquiry, a shift from her earlier reluctance to do so.
"The president must be held accountable," she said. "No one is above the law."
6:13 p.m.:
Later in the Capitol, Pelosi told reporters the Ukraine episode marked a "sea change" in how she approached the question of impeachment, and said it was a "sad day" for the country.
"The president of the United States has admitted that he spoke to the president of another country -- that would be the Ukraine -- about something that would assist him in his election," she said. "So, that has changed everything."
Pelosi said the inspector general's determination that the whistleblower complaint constitutes an "urgent concern" meant she "accelerated the pace of how we go forward" with the inquiry.
6:40 p.m.
Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the House is launching a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump, setting up a dramatic constitutional clash just over a year before the presidential election.
"Today I'm announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry," Pelosi said in a scathing statement at the Capitol late Tuesday afternoon.
The speaker has long resisted calls from many progressive lawmakers to initiate impeachment proceedings against the president, but Democrats appear to have reached a breaking point over the administration's refusal to hand over a whistleblower complaint related to Mr. Trump's interaction with a foreign leader.
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Apparently there are some recent developments today on Pelosi's position. This answer could benefit from an update to reflect those updates.
– Alexander O'Mara
2 hours ago
@AlexanderO'Mara - The question time frame was set as 5PM EDT as the latest. The problem, for me, is finding a direct quote prior to that time. I am not opposed to adding later quotes; but I prefer to try to answer the question as asked.
– Rick Smith
1 hour ago
You're choice, but I think an update would be warented in this case, especially since it's still active and on the HNQ list.
– Alexander O'Mara
1 hour ago
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Apparently there are some recent developments today on Pelosi's position. This answer could benefit from an update to reflect those updates.
– Alexander O'Mara
2 hours ago
@AlexanderO'Mara - The question time frame was set as 5PM EDT as the latest. The problem, for me, is finding a direct quote prior to that time. I am not opposed to adding later quotes; but I prefer to try to answer the question as asked.
– Rick Smith
1 hour ago
You're choice, but I think an update would be warented in this case, especially since it's still active and on the HNQ list.
– Alexander O'Mara
1 hour ago
Apparently there are some recent developments today on Pelosi's position. This answer could benefit from an update to reflect those updates.
– Alexander O'Mara
2 hours ago
Apparently there are some recent developments today on Pelosi's position. This answer could benefit from an update to reflect those updates.
– Alexander O'Mara
2 hours ago
@AlexanderO'Mara - The question time frame was set as 5PM EDT as the latest. The problem, for me, is finding a direct quote prior to that time. I am not opposed to adding later quotes; but I prefer to try to answer the question as asked.
– Rick Smith
1 hour ago
@AlexanderO'Mara - The question time frame was set as 5PM EDT as the latest. The problem, for me, is finding a direct quote prior to that time. I am not opposed to adding later quotes; but I prefer to try to answer the question as asked.
– Rick Smith
1 hour ago
You're choice, but I think an update would be warented in this case, especially since it's still active and on the HNQ list.
– Alexander O'Mara
1 hour ago
You're choice, but I think an update would be warented in this case, especially since it's still active and on the HNQ list.
– Alexander O'Mara
1 hour ago
add a comment
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An attempt to remove Trump from office via impeachment would likely fail because it requires a huge amount of Republican support, and Nancy Pelosi has a good enough reading of Congress to know that the support isn't there. Not even close.
If an impeachment attempt fails, then Trump may try to use it to proclaim himself innocent of any and all wrongdoing ever, and this might influence the small, but politically significant sliver of voters who are both sitting on the fence between Republican and Democrat.
Update: Looks like Pelosi may now feel the situation has changed.
New contributor
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While I personally think this is a very plausible reason, the question is looking for statements from Pelosi herself. Please find a quote to back this up.
– Bobson
yesterday
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Technical note: impeachment of a US federal official (e.g, the President) requires a simple majority in the House of Representatives, which currently has 235 Democrats, 198 Republicans, 1 independent, and 1 empty seat. So impeachment would not require any Republican support (rather than "a huge amount" as you say). Regardless of the outcome in the Senate, after a majority vote in the House, a president has been impeached (see Clinton and Jackson, who were both impeached by the house but not convicted by the Senate).
– De Novo
21 hours ago
16
To clarify, I was using "impeach successfully" as shorthand to mean "impeach successfully and convict successfully".
– klojj
19 hours ago
4
I don't think hardly anyone falls into that category you describe. I do think that there are real and valid fears that it would shore up any waning enthusiasm among moderate Republicans who might otherwise stay home next November.
– Jared Smith
11 hours ago
11
I hate it when a generally decent answer gets sucked down a hole because the answer swerves into bias-land. First paragraph: awesome. Second paragraph: hyperbolic to start, followed by accusing Trump of gaslighting and anyone disagreeing with impeachment as gullible. You believe that? Cool. But that doesn't need to go into the answer. The second paragraph should simply be, "If an impeachment attempt fails to deliver a guilty verdict, this could be spun as 'Innocent' instead of Not-Guilty by Trump." There - no hyperbole, no smearing, no bias - just a straight-forward answer.
– Kevin
8 hours ago
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An attempt to remove Trump from office via impeachment would likely fail because it requires a huge amount of Republican support, and Nancy Pelosi has a good enough reading of Congress to know that the support isn't there. Not even close.
If an impeachment attempt fails, then Trump may try to use it to proclaim himself innocent of any and all wrongdoing ever, and this might influence the small, but politically significant sliver of voters who are both sitting on the fence between Republican and Democrat.
Update: Looks like Pelosi may now feel the situation has changed.
New contributor
7
While I personally think this is a very plausible reason, the question is looking for statements from Pelosi herself. Please find a quote to back this up.
– Bobson
yesterday
8
Technical note: impeachment of a US federal official (e.g, the President) requires a simple majority in the House of Representatives, which currently has 235 Democrats, 198 Republicans, 1 independent, and 1 empty seat. So impeachment would not require any Republican support (rather than "a huge amount" as you say). Regardless of the outcome in the Senate, after a majority vote in the House, a president has been impeached (see Clinton and Jackson, who were both impeached by the house but not convicted by the Senate).
– De Novo
21 hours ago
16
To clarify, I was using "impeach successfully" as shorthand to mean "impeach successfully and convict successfully".
– klojj
19 hours ago
4
I don't think hardly anyone falls into that category you describe. I do think that there are real and valid fears that it would shore up any waning enthusiasm among moderate Republicans who might otherwise stay home next November.
– Jared Smith
11 hours ago
11
I hate it when a generally decent answer gets sucked down a hole because the answer swerves into bias-land. First paragraph: awesome. Second paragraph: hyperbolic to start, followed by accusing Trump of gaslighting and anyone disagreeing with impeachment as gullible. You believe that? Cool. But that doesn't need to go into the answer. The second paragraph should simply be, "If an impeachment attempt fails to deliver a guilty verdict, this could be spun as 'Innocent' instead of Not-Guilty by Trump." There - no hyperbole, no smearing, no bias - just a straight-forward answer.
– Kevin
8 hours ago
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An attempt to remove Trump from office via impeachment would likely fail because it requires a huge amount of Republican support, and Nancy Pelosi has a good enough reading of Congress to know that the support isn't there. Not even close.
If an impeachment attempt fails, then Trump may try to use it to proclaim himself innocent of any and all wrongdoing ever, and this might influence the small, but politically significant sliver of voters who are both sitting on the fence between Republican and Democrat.
Update: Looks like Pelosi may now feel the situation has changed.
New contributor
An attempt to remove Trump from office via impeachment would likely fail because it requires a huge amount of Republican support, and Nancy Pelosi has a good enough reading of Congress to know that the support isn't there. Not even close.
If an impeachment attempt fails, then Trump may try to use it to proclaim himself innocent of any and all wrongdoing ever, and this might influence the small, but politically significant sliver of voters who are both sitting on the fence between Republican and Democrat.
Update: Looks like Pelosi may now feel the situation has changed.
New contributor
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While I personally think this is a very plausible reason, the question is looking for statements from Pelosi herself. Please find a quote to back this up.
– Bobson
yesterday
8
Technical note: impeachment of a US federal official (e.g, the President) requires a simple majority in the House of Representatives, which currently has 235 Democrats, 198 Republicans, 1 independent, and 1 empty seat. So impeachment would not require any Republican support (rather than "a huge amount" as you say). Regardless of the outcome in the Senate, after a majority vote in the House, a president has been impeached (see Clinton and Jackson, who were both impeached by the house but not convicted by the Senate).
– De Novo
21 hours ago
16
To clarify, I was using "impeach successfully" as shorthand to mean "impeach successfully and convict successfully".
– klojj
19 hours ago
4
I don't think hardly anyone falls into that category you describe. I do think that there are real and valid fears that it would shore up any waning enthusiasm among moderate Republicans who might otherwise stay home next November.
– Jared Smith
11 hours ago
11
I hate it when a generally decent answer gets sucked down a hole because the answer swerves into bias-land. First paragraph: awesome. Second paragraph: hyperbolic to start, followed by accusing Trump of gaslighting and anyone disagreeing with impeachment as gullible. You believe that? Cool. But that doesn't need to go into the answer. The second paragraph should simply be, "If an impeachment attempt fails to deliver a guilty verdict, this could be spun as 'Innocent' instead of Not-Guilty by Trump." There - no hyperbole, no smearing, no bias - just a straight-forward answer.
– Kevin
8 hours ago
|
show 8 more comments
7
While I personally think this is a very plausible reason, the question is looking for statements from Pelosi herself. Please find a quote to back this up.
– Bobson
yesterday
8
Technical note: impeachment of a US federal official (e.g, the President) requires a simple majority in the House of Representatives, which currently has 235 Democrats, 198 Republicans, 1 independent, and 1 empty seat. So impeachment would not require any Republican support (rather than "a huge amount" as you say). Regardless of the outcome in the Senate, after a majority vote in the House, a president has been impeached (see Clinton and Jackson, who were both impeached by the house but not convicted by the Senate).
– De Novo
21 hours ago
16
To clarify, I was using "impeach successfully" as shorthand to mean "impeach successfully and convict successfully".
– klojj
19 hours ago
4
I don't think hardly anyone falls into that category you describe. I do think that there are real and valid fears that it would shore up any waning enthusiasm among moderate Republicans who might otherwise stay home next November.
– Jared Smith
11 hours ago
11
I hate it when a generally decent answer gets sucked down a hole because the answer swerves into bias-land. First paragraph: awesome. Second paragraph: hyperbolic to start, followed by accusing Trump of gaslighting and anyone disagreeing with impeachment as gullible. You believe that? Cool. But that doesn't need to go into the answer. The second paragraph should simply be, "If an impeachment attempt fails to deliver a guilty verdict, this could be spun as 'Innocent' instead of Not-Guilty by Trump." There - no hyperbole, no smearing, no bias - just a straight-forward answer.
– Kevin
8 hours ago
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While I personally think this is a very plausible reason, the question is looking for statements from Pelosi herself. Please find a quote to back this up.
– Bobson
yesterday
While I personally think this is a very plausible reason, the question is looking for statements from Pelosi herself. Please find a quote to back this up.
– Bobson
yesterday
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Technical note: impeachment of a US federal official (e.g, the President) requires a simple majority in the House of Representatives, which currently has 235 Democrats, 198 Republicans, 1 independent, and 1 empty seat. So impeachment would not require any Republican support (rather than "a huge amount" as you say). Regardless of the outcome in the Senate, after a majority vote in the House, a president has been impeached (see Clinton and Jackson, who were both impeached by the house but not convicted by the Senate).
– De Novo
21 hours ago
Technical note: impeachment of a US federal official (e.g, the President) requires a simple majority in the House of Representatives, which currently has 235 Democrats, 198 Republicans, 1 independent, and 1 empty seat. So impeachment would not require any Republican support (rather than "a huge amount" as you say). Regardless of the outcome in the Senate, after a majority vote in the House, a president has been impeached (see Clinton and Jackson, who were both impeached by the house but not convicted by the Senate).
– De Novo
21 hours ago
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To clarify, I was using "impeach successfully" as shorthand to mean "impeach successfully and convict successfully".
– klojj
19 hours ago
To clarify, I was using "impeach successfully" as shorthand to mean "impeach successfully and convict successfully".
– klojj
19 hours ago
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I don't think hardly anyone falls into that category you describe. I do think that there are real and valid fears that it would shore up any waning enthusiasm among moderate Republicans who might otherwise stay home next November.
– Jared Smith
11 hours ago
I don't think hardly anyone falls into that category you describe. I do think that there are real and valid fears that it would shore up any waning enthusiasm among moderate Republicans who might otherwise stay home next November.
– Jared Smith
11 hours ago
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I hate it when a generally decent answer gets sucked down a hole because the answer swerves into bias-land. First paragraph: awesome. Second paragraph: hyperbolic to start, followed by accusing Trump of gaslighting and anyone disagreeing with impeachment as gullible. You believe that? Cool. But that doesn't need to go into the answer. The second paragraph should simply be, "If an impeachment attempt fails to deliver a guilty verdict, this could be spun as 'Innocent' instead of Not-Guilty by Trump." There - no hyperbole, no smearing, no bias - just a straight-forward answer.
– Kevin
8 hours ago
I hate it when a generally decent answer gets sucked down a hole because the answer swerves into bias-land. First paragraph: awesome. Second paragraph: hyperbolic to start, followed by accusing Trump of gaslighting and anyone disagreeing with impeachment as gullible. You believe that? Cool. But that doesn't need to go into the answer. The second paragraph should simply be, "If an impeachment attempt fails to deliver a guilty verdict, this could be spun as 'Innocent' instead of Not-Guilty by Trump." There - no hyperbole, no smearing, no bias - just a straight-forward answer.
– Kevin
8 hours ago
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There is a line of thought that says impeachment should only occur if there is enough public support. Pelosi adheres to this philosophy, and won't publicly push for impeachment until public support is stronger (as of June, a Fox News poll suggests ~50% of registered voters support impeachment).
Below are sources for the first part about public opinion, and following are sources for Pelosi's views.
On public opinion:
Public opinion is a key factor in impeachment proceedings, as politicians including those in the House of Representatives look to opinion polls to assess the tenor of those they represent.[211][212][213] Any action would have to be based on the requisite legal grounds for impeachment, but such action is more likely to be taken in the face of support from public opinion.[211][212][213]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump
Relevant sources from the wiki quote:
Public opinion matters because for impeachment to happen, Congress must act, and elected officials sometimes hang their principles on opinion polls.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/16/donald-trump-impeachment-russia-investigation-nixon
But to actually kickstart start the mechanism for removing him from office there would probably have to be a shift in public opinion.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-impeached-what-would-happen-president-sexual-assault-fraud-university-a7409736.html
But ultimately, the probability of a push for impeachment succeeding is dependent on public opinion.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/could-donald-trump-be-impeached-as-president/news-story/a8a08f0355d9aebe815647a67fe5476b
Pelosi's views:
Pelosi told House Democrats on a conference call Friday, “The public isn’t there on impeachment.”
She told them the case needs to be “as strong” as possible.
“If and when we act, people will know he gave us no choice,” Pelosi said, according to an aide granted anonymity to discuss the private call.
https://www.apnews.com/347a9835cb994b16915df056f39ab4d7
"You're wasting your time, unless the evidence is so conclusive that the Republicans will understand," Pelosi, D-Calif., told USA TODAY. "Otherwise, it's a gift to the president. We take our eye off the ball."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/19/nancy-pelosi-impeachment-gift-donald-trump-without-gop-support/3211241002/
On Monday night, 146 Democrats backed impeachment, well over a majority of the caucus. But Pelosi has long said that any impeachment would need public support as well as backing from some Republicans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-quietly-sounding-out-house-democrats-about-whether-to-impeach-trump-officials-say/2019/09/23/98a33fd8-de5f-11e9-8fd3-d943b4ed57e0_story.html
In both public and private, Pelosi, a 32-year House veteran who did not make any public remarks on Monday, has argued that Democrats should aggressively investigate Trump but shouldn’t move on impeachment without overwhelming support from the public and buy-in from Republicans
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/462696-pressure-on-pelosi-to-impeach-trump-grows
Isn't this the same thing she condemns the Republicans for doing -- refusing to push against Trump, even when they thing it's the right thing to do, because it will harm them or their party politically?
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
@DavidSchwartz - Arguably, yes it is. That's the counter-argument: If its the Right Thing (tm) to do for the country, then it should be done and damn the personal/party consequences. Who's going to want to support a party that won't even stand up and fight for its country? Why would anyone want to hand the reins of power to such?
– T.E.D.
5 hours ago
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There is a line of thought that says impeachment should only occur if there is enough public support. Pelosi adheres to this philosophy, and won't publicly push for impeachment until public support is stronger (as of June, a Fox News poll suggests ~50% of registered voters support impeachment).
Below are sources for the first part about public opinion, and following are sources for Pelosi's views.
On public opinion:
Public opinion is a key factor in impeachment proceedings, as politicians including those in the House of Representatives look to opinion polls to assess the tenor of those they represent.[211][212][213] Any action would have to be based on the requisite legal grounds for impeachment, but such action is more likely to be taken in the face of support from public opinion.[211][212][213]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump
Relevant sources from the wiki quote:
Public opinion matters because for impeachment to happen, Congress must act, and elected officials sometimes hang their principles on opinion polls.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/16/donald-trump-impeachment-russia-investigation-nixon
But to actually kickstart start the mechanism for removing him from office there would probably have to be a shift in public opinion.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-impeached-what-would-happen-president-sexual-assault-fraud-university-a7409736.html
But ultimately, the probability of a push for impeachment succeeding is dependent on public opinion.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/could-donald-trump-be-impeached-as-president/news-story/a8a08f0355d9aebe815647a67fe5476b
Pelosi's views:
Pelosi told House Democrats on a conference call Friday, “The public isn’t there on impeachment.”
She told them the case needs to be “as strong” as possible.
“If and when we act, people will know he gave us no choice,” Pelosi said, according to an aide granted anonymity to discuss the private call.
https://www.apnews.com/347a9835cb994b16915df056f39ab4d7
"You're wasting your time, unless the evidence is so conclusive that the Republicans will understand," Pelosi, D-Calif., told USA TODAY. "Otherwise, it's a gift to the president. We take our eye off the ball."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/19/nancy-pelosi-impeachment-gift-donald-trump-without-gop-support/3211241002/
On Monday night, 146 Democrats backed impeachment, well over a majority of the caucus. But Pelosi has long said that any impeachment would need public support as well as backing from some Republicans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-quietly-sounding-out-house-democrats-about-whether-to-impeach-trump-officials-say/2019/09/23/98a33fd8-de5f-11e9-8fd3-d943b4ed57e0_story.html
In both public and private, Pelosi, a 32-year House veteran who did not make any public remarks on Monday, has argued that Democrats should aggressively investigate Trump but shouldn’t move on impeachment without overwhelming support from the public and buy-in from Republicans
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/462696-pressure-on-pelosi-to-impeach-trump-grows
Isn't this the same thing she condemns the Republicans for doing -- refusing to push against Trump, even when they thing it's the right thing to do, because it will harm them or their party politically?
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
@DavidSchwartz - Arguably, yes it is. That's the counter-argument: If its the Right Thing (tm) to do for the country, then it should be done and damn the personal/party consequences. Who's going to want to support a party that won't even stand up and fight for its country? Why would anyone want to hand the reins of power to such?
– T.E.D.
5 hours ago
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There is a line of thought that says impeachment should only occur if there is enough public support. Pelosi adheres to this philosophy, and won't publicly push for impeachment until public support is stronger (as of June, a Fox News poll suggests ~50% of registered voters support impeachment).
Below are sources for the first part about public opinion, and following are sources for Pelosi's views.
On public opinion:
Public opinion is a key factor in impeachment proceedings, as politicians including those in the House of Representatives look to opinion polls to assess the tenor of those they represent.[211][212][213] Any action would have to be based on the requisite legal grounds for impeachment, but such action is more likely to be taken in the face of support from public opinion.[211][212][213]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump
Relevant sources from the wiki quote:
Public opinion matters because for impeachment to happen, Congress must act, and elected officials sometimes hang their principles on opinion polls.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/16/donald-trump-impeachment-russia-investigation-nixon
But to actually kickstart start the mechanism for removing him from office there would probably have to be a shift in public opinion.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-impeached-what-would-happen-president-sexual-assault-fraud-university-a7409736.html
But ultimately, the probability of a push for impeachment succeeding is dependent on public opinion.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/could-donald-trump-be-impeached-as-president/news-story/a8a08f0355d9aebe815647a67fe5476b
Pelosi's views:
Pelosi told House Democrats on a conference call Friday, “The public isn’t there on impeachment.”
She told them the case needs to be “as strong” as possible.
“If and when we act, people will know he gave us no choice,” Pelosi said, according to an aide granted anonymity to discuss the private call.
https://www.apnews.com/347a9835cb994b16915df056f39ab4d7
"You're wasting your time, unless the evidence is so conclusive that the Republicans will understand," Pelosi, D-Calif., told USA TODAY. "Otherwise, it's a gift to the president. We take our eye off the ball."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/19/nancy-pelosi-impeachment-gift-donald-trump-without-gop-support/3211241002/
On Monday night, 146 Democrats backed impeachment, well over a majority of the caucus. But Pelosi has long said that any impeachment would need public support as well as backing from some Republicans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-quietly-sounding-out-house-democrats-about-whether-to-impeach-trump-officials-say/2019/09/23/98a33fd8-de5f-11e9-8fd3-d943b4ed57e0_story.html
In both public and private, Pelosi, a 32-year House veteran who did not make any public remarks on Monday, has argued that Democrats should aggressively investigate Trump but shouldn’t move on impeachment without overwhelming support from the public and buy-in from Republicans
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/462696-pressure-on-pelosi-to-impeach-trump-grows
There is a line of thought that says impeachment should only occur if there is enough public support. Pelosi adheres to this philosophy, and won't publicly push for impeachment until public support is stronger (as of June, a Fox News poll suggests ~50% of registered voters support impeachment).
Below are sources for the first part about public opinion, and following are sources for Pelosi's views.
On public opinion:
Public opinion is a key factor in impeachment proceedings, as politicians including those in the House of Representatives look to opinion polls to assess the tenor of those they represent.[211][212][213] Any action would have to be based on the requisite legal grounds for impeachment, but such action is more likely to be taken in the face of support from public opinion.[211][212][213]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump
Relevant sources from the wiki quote:
Public opinion matters because for impeachment to happen, Congress must act, and elected officials sometimes hang their principles on opinion polls.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/16/donald-trump-impeachment-russia-investigation-nixon
But to actually kickstart start the mechanism for removing him from office there would probably have to be a shift in public opinion.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-impeached-what-would-happen-president-sexual-assault-fraud-university-a7409736.html
But ultimately, the probability of a push for impeachment succeeding is dependent on public opinion.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/could-donald-trump-be-impeached-as-president/news-story/a8a08f0355d9aebe815647a67fe5476b
Pelosi's views:
Pelosi told House Democrats on a conference call Friday, “The public isn’t there on impeachment.”
She told them the case needs to be “as strong” as possible.
“If and when we act, people will know he gave us no choice,” Pelosi said, according to an aide granted anonymity to discuss the private call.
https://www.apnews.com/347a9835cb994b16915df056f39ab4d7
"You're wasting your time, unless the evidence is so conclusive that the Republicans will understand," Pelosi, D-Calif., told USA TODAY. "Otherwise, it's a gift to the president. We take our eye off the ball."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/19/nancy-pelosi-impeachment-gift-donald-trump-without-gop-support/3211241002/
On Monday night, 146 Democrats backed impeachment, well over a majority of the caucus. But Pelosi has long said that any impeachment would need public support as well as backing from some Republicans.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-quietly-sounding-out-house-democrats-about-whether-to-impeach-trump-officials-say/2019/09/23/98a33fd8-de5f-11e9-8fd3-d943b4ed57e0_story.html
In both public and private, Pelosi, a 32-year House veteran who did not make any public remarks on Monday, has argued that Democrats should aggressively investigate Trump but shouldn’t move on impeachment without overwhelming support from the public and buy-in from Republicans
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/462696-pressure-on-pelosi-to-impeach-trump-grows
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Isn't this the same thing she condemns the Republicans for doing -- refusing to push against Trump, even when they thing it's the right thing to do, because it will harm them or their party politically?
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
@DavidSchwartz - Arguably, yes it is. That's the counter-argument: If its the Right Thing (tm) to do for the country, then it should be done and damn the personal/party consequences. Who's going to want to support a party that won't even stand up and fight for its country? Why would anyone want to hand the reins of power to such?
– T.E.D.
5 hours ago
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Isn't this the same thing she condemns the Republicans for doing -- refusing to push against Trump, even when they thing it's the right thing to do, because it will harm them or their party politically?
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
@DavidSchwartz - Arguably, yes it is. That's the counter-argument: If its the Right Thing (tm) to do for the country, then it should be done and damn the personal/party consequences. Who's going to want to support a party that won't even stand up and fight for its country? Why would anyone want to hand the reins of power to such?
– T.E.D.
5 hours ago
Isn't this the same thing she condemns the Republicans for doing -- refusing to push against Trump, even when they thing it's the right thing to do, because it will harm them or their party politically?
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
Isn't this the same thing she condemns the Republicans for doing -- refusing to push against Trump, even when they thing it's the right thing to do, because it will harm them or their party politically?
– David Schwartz
6 hours ago
@DavidSchwartz - Arguably, yes it is. That's the counter-argument: If its the Right Thing (tm) to do for the country, then it should be done and damn the personal/party consequences. Who's going to want to support a party that won't even stand up and fight for its country? Why would anyone want to hand the reins of power to such?
– T.E.D.
5 hours ago
@DavidSchwartz - Arguably, yes it is. That's the counter-argument: If its the Right Thing (tm) to do for the country, then it should be done and damn the personal/party consequences. Who's going to want to support a party that won't even stand up and fight for its country? Why would anyone want to hand the reins of power to such?
– T.E.D.
5 hours ago
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I've upvoted the BurnsBA answer, but let's talk a little bit about why some people think Impeachment proceedings would be a bad thing without public support.
The last time (of the 2 in history!) that the House of Representatives underwent impeachment proceedings was in October of 1998 under President Bill Clinton. At the time, the opposition party controlled both houses of Congress, but were a dozen seats short of the required 2/3 majority in the Senate. Still, they could, in theory, have simply voted Clinton out of office if they could find something he did that they could argue was sufficient justification for it enough to convince a small handful of Democratic Senators.
A storm of investigations followed. During one of them, Clinton made an assertion under oath about his sex life that was later shown to be untrue (which is perjury), and Newt Gingrich's Congress seized upon that to attempt the impeachment. Most of the charges sailed though the House on a nearly party line vote, starting the "trial phase" in the Senate. It was conveniently timed for after the election of 1998, which Republicans had hoped might gain them some more seats to help the process forward. Presidential 6th year Congressional elections are notorious for going badly for the sitting President's party, and they were hoping the Impeachment process would help things along.
There's where things started to fall apart for the Republicans. The trial lasted over a month, and during that time public support for impeachment and the Republicans in general did nothing but deteriorate. Few Americans who weren't hardcore Republicans actually supported impeachment going in, and those numbers just did not increase as it wore on.
The Republicans actually lost seats in the House in the election of 1998 (but managed to at least hold steady in the Senate). This was the worst mid-term performance for an opposition party in 64 years, and the politically ugly impeachment process was largely blamed. Newt Gingrich in disgrace not only resigned the Speakership, but the entire House of Representatives.
For sure, hardcore activist Republicans were demanding impeachment. However, the whole procedure was viewed by many of the rest as a naked attempt by the Republican Party to abuse the impeachment process to undo a democratic election they had lost. Clinton was actually fairly popular going in, but his popularity soared to 64% by the end.
So this is the ghost Nancy Pelosi is fighting. This all happened in her first two terms in Congress, so she got to witness it up close and personal. What she doesn't want is that same kind of political backfire happening to her and her party.
"6th year presidential elections" -- what is this?
– Roger
5 hours ago
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@Roger - Oh my, that is confusing. I've tried again with "Presidential 6th year Congressional elections". There are Congressional elections (all of The House and 1/3rd of the Senate) every 2 years. The President can serve at most 2 terms, which is 8 years. At his 0th and 4th year the President himself is up for election, and the winner's party tends to do well. On the "off-year" elections (2 and 6), his party tends to do badly. The one on their 6th year is particularly ill-starred. Actually gaining seats on that year is quite an accomplishment.
– T.E.D.
5 hours ago
I think this answer really gets to the heart of the issue. Pelosi, with good reason, believes that impeachment would achieve nothing -- Trump wouldn't be convicted by the senate and it wouldn't help her party electorally.
– Thomas
3 hours ago
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I've upvoted the BurnsBA answer, but let's talk a little bit about why some people think Impeachment proceedings would be a bad thing without public support.
The last time (of the 2 in history!) that the House of Representatives underwent impeachment proceedings was in October of 1998 under President Bill Clinton. At the time, the opposition party controlled both houses of Congress, but were a dozen seats short of the required 2/3 majority in the Senate. Still, they could, in theory, have simply voted Clinton out of office if they could find something he did that they could argue was sufficient justification for it enough to convince a small handful of Democratic Senators.
A storm of investigations followed. During one of them, Clinton made an assertion under oath about his sex life that was later shown to be untrue (which is perjury), and Newt Gingrich's Congress seized upon that to attempt the impeachment. Most of the charges sailed though the House on a nearly party line vote, starting the "trial phase" in the Senate. It was conveniently timed for after the election of 1998, which Republicans had hoped might gain them some more seats to help the process forward. Presidential 6th year Congressional elections are notorious for going badly for the sitting President's party, and they were hoping the Impeachment process would help things along.
There's where things started to fall apart for the Republicans. The trial lasted over a month, and during that time public support for impeachment and the Republicans in general did nothing but deteriorate. Few Americans who weren't hardcore Republicans actually supported impeachment going in, and those numbers just did not increase as it wore on.
The Republicans actually lost seats in the House in the election of 1998 (but managed to at least hold steady in the Senate). This was the worst mid-term performance for an opposition party in 64 years, and the politically ugly impeachment process was largely blamed. Newt Gingrich in disgrace not only resigned the Speakership, but the entire House of Representatives.
For sure, hardcore activist Republicans were demanding impeachment. However, the whole procedure was viewed by many of the rest as a naked attempt by the Republican Party to abuse the impeachment process to undo a democratic election they had lost. Clinton was actually fairly popular going in, but his popularity soared to 64% by the end.
So this is the ghost Nancy Pelosi is fighting. This all happened in her first two terms in Congress, so she got to witness it up close and personal. What she doesn't want is that same kind of political backfire happening to her and her party.
"6th year presidential elections" -- what is this?
– Roger
5 hours ago
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@Roger - Oh my, that is confusing. I've tried again with "Presidential 6th year Congressional elections". There are Congressional elections (all of The House and 1/3rd of the Senate) every 2 years. The President can serve at most 2 terms, which is 8 years. At his 0th and 4th year the President himself is up for election, and the winner's party tends to do well. On the "off-year" elections (2 and 6), his party tends to do badly. The one on their 6th year is particularly ill-starred. Actually gaining seats on that year is quite an accomplishment.
– T.E.D.
5 hours ago
I think this answer really gets to the heart of the issue. Pelosi, with good reason, believes that impeachment would achieve nothing -- Trump wouldn't be convicted by the senate and it wouldn't help her party electorally.
– Thomas
3 hours ago
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I've upvoted the BurnsBA answer, but let's talk a little bit about why some people think Impeachment proceedings would be a bad thing without public support.
The last time (of the 2 in history!) that the House of Representatives underwent impeachment proceedings was in October of 1998 under President Bill Clinton. At the time, the opposition party controlled both houses of Congress, but were a dozen seats short of the required 2/3 majority in the Senate. Still, they could, in theory, have simply voted Clinton out of office if they could find something he did that they could argue was sufficient justification for it enough to convince a small handful of Democratic Senators.
A storm of investigations followed. During one of them, Clinton made an assertion under oath about his sex life that was later shown to be untrue (which is perjury), and Newt Gingrich's Congress seized upon that to attempt the impeachment. Most of the charges sailed though the House on a nearly party line vote, starting the "trial phase" in the Senate. It was conveniently timed for after the election of 1998, which Republicans had hoped might gain them some more seats to help the process forward. Presidential 6th year Congressional elections are notorious for going badly for the sitting President's party, and they were hoping the Impeachment process would help things along.
There's where things started to fall apart for the Republicans. The trial lasted over a month, and during that time public support for impeachment and the Republicans in general did nothing but deteriorate. Few Americans who weren't hardcore Republicans actually supported impeachment going in, and those numbers just did not increase as it wore on.
The Republicans actually lost seats in the House in the election of 1998 (but managed to at least hold steady in the Senate). This was the worst mid-term performance for an opposition party in 64 years, and the politically ugly impeachment process was largely blamed. Newt Gingrich in disgrace not only resigned the Speakership, but the entire House of Representatives.
For sure, hardcore activist Republicans were demanding impeachment. However, the whole procedure was viewed by many of the rest as a naked attempt by the Republican Party to abuse the impeachment process to undo a democratic election they had lost. Clinton was actually fairly popular going in, but his popularity soared to 64% by the end.
So this is the ghost Nancy Pelosi is fighting. This all happened in her first two terms in Congress, so she got to witness it up close and personal. What she doesn't want is that same kind of political backfire happening to her and her party.
I've upvoted the BurnsBA answer, but let's talk a little bit about why some people think Impeachment proceedings would be a bad thing without public support.
The last time (of the 2 in history!) that the House of Representatives underwent impeachment proceedings was in October of 1998 under President Bill Clinton. At the time, the opposition party controlled both houses of Congress, but were a dozen seats short of the required 2/3 majority in the Senate. Still, they could, in theory, have simply voted Clinton out of office if they could find something he did that they could argue was sufficient justification for it enough to convince a small handful of Democratic Senators.
A storm of investigations followed. During one of them, Clinton made an assertion under oath about his sex life that was later shown to be untrue (which is perjury), and Newt Gingrich's Congress seized upon that to attempt the impeachment. Most of the charges sailed though the House on a nearly party line vote, starting the "trial phase" in the Senate. It was conveniently timed for after the election of 1998, which Republicans had hoped might gain them some more seats to help the process forward. Presidential 6th year Congressional elections are notorious for going badly for the sitting President's party, and they were hoping the Impeachment process would help things along.
There's where things started to fall apart for the Republicans. The trial lasted over a month, and during that time public support for impeachment and the Republicans in general did nothing but deteriorate. Few Americans who weren't hardcore Republicans actually supported impeachment going in, and those numbers just did not increase as it wore on.
The Republicans actually lost seats in the House in the election of 1998 (but managed to at least hold steady in the Senate). This was the worst mid-term performance for an opposition party in 64 years, and the politically ugly impeachment process was largely blamed. Newt Gingrich in disgrace not only resigned the Speakership, but the entire House of Representatives.
For sure, hardcore activist Republicans were demanding impeachment. However, the whole procedure was viewed by many of the rest as a naked attempt by the Republican Party to abuse the impeachment process to undo a democratic election they had lost. Clinton was actually fairly popular going in, but his popularity soared to 64% by the end.
So this is the ghost Nancy Pelosi is fighting. This all happened in her first two terms in Congress, so she got to witness it up close and personal. What she doesn't want is that same kind of political backfire happening to her and her party.
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"6th year presidential elections" -- what is this?
– Roger
5 hours ago
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@Roger - Oh my, that is confusing. I've tried again with "Presidential 6th year Congressional elections". There are Congressional elections (all of The House and 1/3rd of the Senate) every 2 years. The President can serve at most 2 terms, which is 8 years. At his 0th and 4th year the President himself is up for election, and the winner's party tends to do well. On the "off-year" elections (2 and 6), his party tends to do badly. The one on their 6th year is particularly ill-starred. Actually gaining seats on that year is quite an accomplishment.
– T.E.D.
5 hours ago
I think this answer really gets to the heart of the issue. Pelosi, with good reason, believes that impeachment would achieve nothing -- Trump wouldn't be convicted by the senate and it wouldn't help her party electorally.
– Thomas
3 hours ago
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"6th year presidential elections" -- what is this?
– Roger
5 hours ago
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@Roger - Oh my, that is confusing. I've tried again with "Presidential 6th year Congressional elections". There are Congressional elections (all of The House and 1/3rd of the Senate) every 2 years. The President can serve at most 2 terms, which is 8 years. At his 0th and 4th year the President himself is up for election, and the winner's party tends to do well. On the "off-year" elections (2 and 6), his party tends to do badly. The one on their 6th year is particularly ill-starred. Actually gaining seats on that year is quite an accomplishment.
– T.E.D.
5 hours ago
I think this answer really gets to the heart of the issue. Pelosi, with good reason, believes that impeachment would achieve nothing -- Trump wouldn't be convicted by the senate and it wouldn't help her party electorally.
– Thomas
3 hours ago
"6th year presidential elections" -- what is this?
– Roger
5 hours ago
"6th year presidential elections" -- what is this?
– Roger
5 hours ago
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@Roger - Oh my, that is confusing. I've tried again with "Presidential 6th year Congressional elections". There are Congressional elections (all of The House and 1/3rd of the Senate) every 2 years. The President can serve at most 2 terms, which is 8 years. At his 0th and 4th year the President himself is up for election, and the winner's party tends to do well. On the "off-year" elections (2 and 6), his party tends to do badly. The one on their 6th year is particularly ill-starred. Actually gaining seats on that year is quite an accomplishment.
– T.E.D.
5 hours ago
@Roger - Oh my, that is confusing. I've tried again with "Presidential 6th year Congressional elections". There are Congressional elections (all of The House and 1/3rd of the Senate) every 2 years. The President can serve at most 2 terms, which is 8 years. At his 0th and 4th year the President himself is up for election, and the winner's party tends to do well. On the "off-year" elections (2 and 6), his party tends to do badly. The one on their 6th year is particularly ill-starred. Actually gaining seats on that year is quite an accomplishment.
– T.E.D.
5 hours ago
I think this answer really gets to the heart of the issue. Pelosi, with good reason, believes that impeachment would achieve nothing -- Trump wouldn't be convicted by the senate and it wouldn't help her party electorally.
– Thomas
3 hours ago
I think this answer really gets to the heart of the issue. Pelosi, with good reason, believes that impeachment would achieve nothing -- Trump wouldn't be convicted by the senate and it wouldn't help her party electorally.
– Thomas
3 hours ago
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I think you've answered your own question.
You don't cite a single "high crime or misdemeanor" that Pelosi can use as a basis for impeachment.
Instead, you cite "Trump's perceived level of corruption" and "..apparent lack of respect for the law..". So you expect her to push for impeachment based solely on perceptions and appearances?
Maybe she understands that real evidence of a real crime is necessary for impeachment, and nobody has yet produced such evidence against Trump.
As you noted in your question, there are only "perceived" and "apparent" crimes.
I'll add that a big chunk of the population finds these perceptions and appearances to be nothing more than defamation.
So, with no corroborating evidence, and a substantial percentage of the electorate not buying into the anti-Trump narratives, and a Republican-controlled Senate, maybe her reluctance to pursue impeachment is the result of a prudent political calculation. This would be consistent with her long-time reputation as a dispassionate and data-driven political operative.
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation about what the Mueller report says has been moved to chat.
– Philipp♦
4 hours ago
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Restoring an important +30 comment that debunks this posting: ⚠️ Over 1000 former federal prosecutors (including Republicans) can identify crimes! Donald Trump has been named Michael Cohen's un-indicted co-conspirator in the federal crimes which now have Cohen serving time. Even the redacted Mueller Report has about 10 counts of obstruction of justice. This answer is shamefully untruthful.
– CrackpotCrocodile
3 hours ago
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The blog post you cite with support from over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" and listing a series of "crimes" in the Mueller Report, conveniently ignores one key piece of information: The ONE federal prosecutor who conducted the investigation found insufficient evidence to charge the President with any crime.
– Michael_B
2 hours ago
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THAT federal prosecutor concluded that an indictment of the president was not warranted. I'll take that over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" who weren't involved in the process. Lastly, simply because you don't like my answer, doesn't mean I'm untruthful.
– Michael_B
2 hours ago
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🔥🔥🔥 Liar liar pants on fire! 🔥🔥🔥 As has already been explained to you, Mueller explicitly said he did not make that conclusion, because he was turning over evidence for others to decide upon. Why do you keep shamelessly lying about this? This is why I think we have no choice but to flag this answer as rude/abusive, because you are clearly trolling to spread false information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
2 hours ago
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I think you've answered your own question.
You don't cite a single "high crime or misdemeanor" that Pelosi can use as a basis for impeachment.
Instead, you cite "Trump's perceived level of corruption" and "..apparent lack of respect for the law..". So you expect her to push for impeachment based solely on perceptions and appearances?
Maybe she understands that real evidence of a real crime is necessary for impeachment, and nobody has yet produced such evidence against Trump.
As you noted in your question, there are only "perceived" and "apparent" crimes.
I'll add that a big chunk of the population finds these perceptions and appearances to be nothing more than defamation.
So, with no corroborating evidence, and a substantial percentage of the electorate not buying into the anti-Trump narratives, and a Republican-controlled Senate, maybe her reluctance to pursue impeachment is the result of a prudent political calculation. This would be consistent with her long-time reputation as a dispassionate and data-driven political operative.
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation about what the Mueller report says has been moved to chat.
– Philipp♦
4 hours ago
2
Restoring an important +30 comment that debunks this posting: ⚠️ Over 1000 former federal prosecutors (including Republicans) can identify crimes! Donald Trump has been named Michael Cohen's un-indicted co-conspirator in the federal crimes which now have Cohen serving time. Even the redacted Mueller Report has about 10 counts of obstruction of justice. This answer is shamefully untruthful.
– CrackpotCrocodile
3 hours ago
1
The blog post you cite with support from over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" and listing a series of "crimes" in the Mueller Report, conveniently ignores one key piece of information: The ONE federal prosecutor who conducted the investigation found insufficient evidence to charge the President with any crime.
– Michael_B
2 hours ago
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THAT federal prosecutor concluded that an indictment of the president was not warranted. I'll take that over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" who weren't involved in the process. Lastly, simply because you don't like my answer, doesn't mean I'm untruthful.
– Michael_B
2 hours ago
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🔥🔥🔥 Liar liar pants on fire! 🔥🔥🔥 As has already been explained to you, Mueller explicitly said he did not make that conclusion, because he was turning over evidence for others to decide upon. Why do you keep shamelessly lying about this? This is why I think we have no choice but to flag this answer as rude/abusive, because you are clearly trolling to spread false information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
2 hours ago
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I think you've answered your own question.
You don't cite a single "high crime or misdemeanor" that Pelosi can use as a basis for impeachment.
Instead, you cite "Trump's perceived level of corruption" and "..apparent lack of respect for the law..". So you expect her to push for impeachment based solely on perceptions and appearances?
Maybe she understands that real evidence of a real crime is necessary for impeachment, and nobody has yet produced such evidence against Trump.
As you noted in your question, there are only "perceived" and "apparent" crimes.
I'll add that a big chunk of the population finds these perceptions and appearances to be nothing more than defamation.
So, with no corroborating evidence, and a substantial percentage of the electorate not buying into the anti-Trump narratives, and a Republican-controlled Senate, maybe her reluctance to pursue impeachment is the result of a prudent political calculation. This would be consistent with her long-time reputation as a dispassionate and data-driven political operative.
I think you've answered your own question.
You don't cite a single "high crime or misdemeanor" that Pelosi can use as a basis for impeachment.
Instead, you cite "Trump's perceived level of corruption" and "..apparent lack of respect for the law..". So you expect her to push for impeachment based solely on perceptions and appearances?
Maybe she understands that real evidence of a real crime is necessary for impeachment, and nobody has yet produced such evidence against Trump.
As you noted in your question, there are only "perceived" and "apparent" crimes.
I'll add that a big chunk of the population finds these perceptions and appearances to be nothing more than defamation.
So, with no corroborating evidence, and a substantial percentage of the electorate not buying into the anti-Trump narratives, and a Republican-controlled Senate, maybe her reluctance to pursue impeachment is the result of a prudent political calculation. This would be consistent with her long-time reputation as a dispassionate and data-driven political operative.
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– Philipp♦
4 hours ago
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Restoring an important +30 comment that debunks this posting: ⚠️ Over 1000 former federal prosecutors (including Republicans) can identify crimes! Donald Trump has been named Michael Cohen's un-indicted co-conspirator in the federal crimes which now have Cohen serving time. Even the redacted Mueller Report has about 10 counts of obstruction of justice. This answer is shamefully untruthful.
– CrackpotCrocodile
3 hours ago
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The blog post you cite with support from over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" and listing a series of "crimes" in the Mueller Report, conveniently ignores one key piece of information: The ONE federal prosecutor who conducted the investigation found insufficient evidence to charge the President with any crime.
– Michael_B
2 hours ago
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THAT federal prosecutor concluded that an indictment of the president was not warranted. I'll take that over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" who weren't involved in the process. Lastly, simply because you don't like my answer, doesn't mean I'm untruthful.
– Michael_B
2 hours ago
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🔥🔥🔥 Liar liar pants on fire! 🔥🔥🔥 As has already been explained to you, Mueller explicitly said he did not make that conclusion, because he was turning over evidence for others to decide upon. Why do you keep shamelessly lying about this? This is why I think we have no choice but to flag this answer as rude/abusive, because you are clearly trolling to spread false information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
2 hours ago
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Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation about what the Mueller report says has been moved to chat.
– Philipp♦
4 hours ago
2
Restoring an important +30 comment that debunks this posting: ⚠️ Over 1000 former federal prosecutors (including Republicans) can identify crimes! Donald Trump has been named Michael Cohen's un-indicted co-conspirator in the federal crimes which now have Cohen serving time. Even the redacted Mueller Report has about 10 counts of obstruction of justice. This answer is shamefully untruthful.
– CrackpotCrocodile
3 hours ago
1
The blog post you cite with support from over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" and listing a series of "crimes" in the Mueller Report, conveniently ignores one key piece of information: The ONE federal prosecutor who conducted the investigation found insufficient evidence to charge the President with any crime.
– Michael_B
2 hours ago
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THAT federal prosecutor concluded that an indictment of the president was not warranted. I'll take that over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" who weren't involved in the process. Lastly, simply because you don't like my answer, doesn't mean I'm untruthful.
– Michael_B
2 hours ago
3
🔥🔥🔥 Liar liar pants on fire! 🔥🔥🔥 As has already been explained to you, Mueller explicitly said he did not make that conclusion, because he was turning over evidence for others to decide upon. Why do you keep shamelessly lying about this? This is why I think we have no choice but to flag this answer as rude/abusive, because you are clearly trolling to spread false information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
2 hours ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation about what the Mueller report says has been moved to chat.
– Philipp♦
4 hours ago
Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation about what the Mueller report says has been moved to chat.
– Philipp♦
4 hours ago
2
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Restoring an important +30 comment that debunks this posting: ⚠️ Over 1000 former federal prosecutors (including Republicans) can identify crimes! Donald Trump has been named Michael Cohen's un-indicted co-conspirator in the federal crimes which now have Cohen serving time. Even the redacted Mueller Report has about 10 counts of obstruction of justice. This answer is shamefully untruthful.
– CrackpotCrocodile
3 hours ago
Restoring an important +30 comment that debunks this posting: ⚠️ Over 1000 former federal prosecutors (including Republicans) can identify crimes! Donald Trump has been named Michael Cohen's un-indicted co-conspirator in the federal crimes which now have Cohen serving time. Even the redacted Mueller Report has about 10 counts of obstruction of justice. This answer is shamefully untruthful.
– CrackpotCrocodile
3 hours ago
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The blog post you cite with support from over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" and listing a series of "crimes" in the Mueller Report, conveniently ignores one key piece of information: The ONE federal prosecutor who conducted the investigation found insufficient evidence to charge the President with any crime.
– Michael_B
2 hours ago
The blog post you cite with support from over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" and listing a series of "crimes" in the Mueller Report, conveniently ignores one key piece of information: The ONE federal prosecutor who conducted the investigation found insufficient evidence to charge the President with any crime.
– Michael_B
2 hours ago
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THAT federal prosecutor concluded that an indictment of the president was not warranted. I'll take that over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" who weren't involved in the process. Lastly, simply because you don't like my answer, doesn't mean I'm untruthful.
– Michael_B
2 hours ago
THAT federal prosecutor concluded that an indictment of the president was not warranted. I'll take that over "1,000 former federal prosecutors" who weren't involved in the process. Lastly, simply because you don't like my answer, doesn't mean I'm untruthful.
– Michael_B
2 hours ago
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🔥🔥🔥 Liar liar pants on fire! 🔥🔥🔥 As has already been explained to you, Mueller explicitly said he did not make that conclusion, because he was turning over evidence for others to decide upon. Why do you keep shamelessly lying about this? This is why I think we have no choice but to flag this answer as rude/abusive, because you are clearly trolling to spread false information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
2 hours ago
🔥🔥🔥 Liar liar pants on fire! 🔥🔥🔥 As has already been explained to you, Mueller explicitly said he did not make that conclusion, because he was turning over evidence for others to decide upon. Why do you keep shamelessly lying about this? This is why I think we have no choice but to flag this answer as rude/abusive, because you are clearly trolling to spread false information.
– CrackpotCrocodile
2 hours ago
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Pelosi has two jobs that conflict over this issue.
First, she's the Speaker of the House, and as such, is in charge of half of the legislative and checks-and-balances powers of Congress. Second, she's the de-facto leader of Democrats in the House.
As Speaker of the House, she is mandated to begin impeachment proceedings in order to serve the House's role as a check on the President's power, irregardless of the inevitability of Senate partisans blocking the impeachment. Withholding Federal aid to a country unless they help to smear a political opponent is black-and-white impeachment territory.
But as de-facto leader of a political party, Pelosi has a lot of experience with the 'horse show' aspect of Congress, and what the American people will or will not accept, and will or will not do in response to actions she takes. She knows that any attempt at impeaching the President will be spun by Republicans as a partisan attack and used as a rallying cry by Republicans in 2020. Likewise, she is practical enough to know that her doing her congressional mandate but the Republicans not doing theirs will result in absolutely nothing happening. So to have Democrats potentially facing a backlash in 2020 for no political payoff is to neglect one duty to fulfill another.
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By this logic, Pelosi is also mandated to impeach Biden who admitted several times from withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped. This is a non-trivial matter because impeachment would preclude Biden from ever holding public office again.
– K Dog
6 hours ago
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@KDog: Source for Biden "admitting withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped"?
– jalynn2
6 hours ago
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@KDog The old prosecutor (Viktor Shokin) was a Yanyukovich appointee, and so was Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma Holdings. The new prosecutor was from the post-Euromaidan government. It strains credibility that the Ukrainian old guard would be more interested in prosecuting their own than someone from a government that ostensibly wants to clean up shop.
– Carduus
6 hours ago
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@jalynn2 And it's not the first time Biden bragged about it either: I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time. cfr.org/event/…
– K Dog
5 hours ago
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@KDog It kinda invalidates your whole point to Jalynn if Victor Shokin was obstructing investigations and Biden got rid of him.
– Carduus
5 hours ago
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Pelosi has two jobs that conflict over this issue.
First, she's the Speaker of the House, and as such, is in charge of half of the legislative and checks-and-balances powers of Congress. Second, she's the de-facto leader of Democrats in the House.
As Speaker of the House, she is mandated to begin impeachment proceedings in order to serve the House's role as a check on the President's power, irregardless of the inevitability of Senate partisans blocking the impeachment. Withholding Federal aid to a country unless they help to smear a political opponent is black-and-white impeachment territory.
But as de-facto leader of a political party, Pelosi has a lot of experience with the 'horse show' aspect of Congress, and what the American people will or will not accept, and will or will not do in response to actions she takes. She knows that any attempt at impeaching the President will be spun by Republicans as a partisan attack and used as a rallying cry by Republicans in 2020. Likewise, she is practical enough to know that her doing her congressional mandate but the Republicans not doing theirs will result in absolutely nothing happening. So to have Democrats potentially facing a backlash in 2020 for no political payoff is to neglect one duty to fulfill another.
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By this logic, Pelosi is also mandated to impeach Biden who admitted several times from withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped. This is a non-trivial matter because impeachment would preclude Biden from ever holding public office again.
– K Dog
6 hours ago
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@KDog: Source for Biden "admitting withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped"?
– jalynn2
6 hours ago
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@KDog The old prosecutor (Viktor Shokin) was a Yanyukovich appointee, and so was Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma Holdings. The new prosecutor was from the post-Euromaidan government. It strains credibility that the Ukrainian old guard would be more interested in prosecuting their own than someone from a government that ostensibly wants to clean up shop.
– Carduus
6 hours ago
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@jalynn2 And it's not the first time Biden bragged about it either: I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time. cfr.org/event/…
– K Dog
5 hours ago
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@KDog It kinda invalidates your whole point to Jalynn if Victor Shokin was obstructing investigations and Biden got rid of him.
– Carduus
5 hours ago
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Pelosi has two jobs that conflict over this issue.
First, she's the Speaker of the House, and as such, is in charge of half of the legislative and checks-and-balances powers of Congress. Second, she's the de-facto leader of Democrats in the House.
As Speaker of the House, she is mandated to begin impeachment proceedings in order to serve the House's role as a check on the President's power, irregardless of the inevitability of Senate partisans blocking the impeachment. Withholding Federal aid to a country unless they help to smear a political opponent is black-and-white impeachment territory.
But as de-facto leader of a political party, Pelosi has a lot of experience with the 'horse show' aspect of Congress, and what the American people will or will not accept, and will or will not do in response to actions she takes. She knows that any attempt at impeaching the President will be spun by Republicans as a partisan attack and used as a rallying cry by Republicans in 2020. Likewise, she is practical enough to know that her doing her congressional mandate but the Republicans not doing theirs will result in absolutely nothing happening. So to have Democrats potentially facing a backlash in 2020 for no political payoff is to neglect one duty to fulfill another.
Pelosi has two jobs that conflict over this issue.
First, she's the Speaker of the House, and as such, is in charge of half of the legislative and checks-and-balances powers of Congress. Second, she's the de-facto leader of Democrats in the House.
As Speaker of the House, she is mandated to begin impeachment proceedings in order to serve the House's role as a check on the President's power, irregardless of the inevitability of Senate partisans blocking the impeachment. Withholding Federal aid to a country unless they help to smear a political opponent is black-and-white impeachment territory.
But as de-facto leader of a political party, Pelosi has a lot of experience with the 'horse show' aspect of Congress, and what the American people will or will not accept, and will or will not do in response to actions she takes. She knows that any attempt at impeaching the President will be spun by Republicans as a partisan attack and used as a rallying cry by Republicans in 2020. Likewise, she is practical enough to know that her doing her congressional mandate but the Republicans not doing theirs will result in absolutely nothing happening. So to have Democrats potentially facing a backlash in 2020 for no political payoff is to neglect one duty to fulfill another.
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By this logic, Pelosi is also mandated to impeach Biden who admitted several times from withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped. This is a non-trivial matter because impeachment would preclude Biden from ever holding public office again.
– K Dog
6 hours ago
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@KDog: Source for Biden "admitting withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped"?
– jalynn2
6 hours ago
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@KDog The old prosecutor (Viktor Shokin) was a Yanyukovich appointee, and so was Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma Holdings. The new prosecutor was from the post-Euromaidan government. It strains credibility that the Ukrainian old guard would be more interested in prosecuting their own than someone from a government that ostensibly wants to clean up shop.
– Carduus
6 hours ago
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@jalynn2 And it's not the first time Biden bragged about it either: I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time. cfr.org/event/…
– K Dog
5 hours ago
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@KDog It kinda invalidates your whole point to Jalynn if Victor Shokin was obstructing investigations and Biden got rid of him.
– Carduus
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By this logic, Pelosi is also mandated to impeach Biden who admitted several times from withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped. This is a non-trivial matter because impeachment would preclude Biden from ever holding public office again.
– K Dog
6 hours ago
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@KDog: Source for Biden "admitting withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped"?
– jalynn2
6 hours ago
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@KDog The old prosecutor (Viktor Shokin) was a Yanyukovich appointee, and so was Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma Holdings. The new prosecutor was from the post-Euromaidan government. It strains credibility that the Ukrainian old guard would be more interested in prosecuting their own than someone from a government that ostensibly wants to clean up shop.
– Carduus
6 hours ago
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@jalynn2 And it's not the first time Biden bragged about it either: I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time. cfr.org/event/…
– K Dog
5 hours ago
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@KDog It kinda invalidates your whole point to Jalynn if Victor Shokin was obstructing investigations and Biden got rid of him.
– Carduus
5 hours ago
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By this logic, Pelosi is also mandated to impeach Biden who admitted several times from withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped. This is a non-trivial matter because impeachment would preclude Biden from ever holding public office again.
– K Dog
6 hours ago
By this logic, Pelosi is also mandated to impeach Biden who admitted several times from withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped. This is a non-trivial matter because impeachment would preclude Biden from ever holding public office again.
– K Dog
6 hours ago
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@KDog: Source for Biden "admitting withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped"?
– jalynn2
6 hours ago
@KDog: Source for Biden "admitting withholding aid unless the investigation into his son was dropped"?
– jalynn2
6 hours ago
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@KDog The old prosecutor (Viktor Shokin) was a Yanyukovich appointee, and so was Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma Holdings. The new prosecutor was from the post-Euromaidan government. It strains credibility that the Ukrainian old guard would be more interested in prosecuting their own than someone from a government that ostensibly wants to clean up shop.
– Carduus
6 hours ago
@KDog The old prosecutor (Viktor Shokin) was a Yanyukovich appointee, and so was Mykola Zlochevsky, the owner of Burisma Holdings. The new prosecutor was from the post-Euromaidan government. It strains credibility that the Ukrainian old guard would be more interested in prosecuting their own than someone from a government that ostensibly wants to clean up shop.
– Carduus
6 hours ago
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@jalynn2 And it's not the first time Biden bragged about it either: I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time. cfr.org/event/…
– K Dog
5 hours ago
@jalynn2 And it's not the first time Biden bragged about it either: I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time. cfr.org/event/…
– K Dog
5 hours ago
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@KDog It kinda invalidates your whole point to Jalynn if Victor Shokin was obstructing investigations and Biden got rid of him.
– Carduus
5 hours ago
@KDog It kinda invalidates your whole point to Jalynn if Victor Shokin was obstructing investigations and Biden got rid of him.
– Carduus
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I can't read Pelosi's mind, and I doubt anyone else here can. However, I might guess that it is simple partisan politics. It takes a 2/3 majority of Senators to actually convict on an impeachment, and almost all Senate Republicans have shown themselves willing to support Trump, whatever he does. This would make conviction impossible, so an impeachment would be nothing more than pointless political theater.
Indeed, an impeachment that failed to convict might actually benefit Trump politically.
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Thanks for your answer. However, I would like to point out that, regarding 'reading Pelosi's mind', I asked specifically whether she has made any public statements on the matter.
– Time4Tea
yesterday
It's pretty difficult to draw clear conclusions about the political consequences of impeachment sans conviction. There have been two impeachments of US presidents, with no convictions. Jackson and Clinton were both acquitted. Clinton and his party were likely helped, Jackson and his party were likely harmed. Much will depend on the particular case. Clinton was a popular president in his second term. For Jackson, there was no scientific polling, but he was never elected in the first place, and was denied his party's nomination in 1868. Trump, as often is the case, is a bit of a wild card.
– De Novo
1 hour ago
@DeNovo You mean Andrew Johnson, not Jackson
– divibisan
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I can't read Pelosi's mind, and I doubt anyone else here can. However, I might guess that it is simple partisan politics. It takes a 2/3 majority of Senators to actually convict on an impeachment, and almost all Senate Republicans have shown themselves willing to support Trump, whatever he does. This would make conviction impossible, so an impeachment would be nothing more than pointless political theater.
Indeed, an impeachment that failed to convict might actually benefit Trump politically.
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Thanks for your answer. However, I would like to point out that, regarding 'reading Pelosi's mind', I asked specifically whether she has made any public statements on the matter.
– Time4Tea
yesterday
It's pretty difficult to draw clear conclusions about the political consequences of impeachment sans conviction. There have been two impeachments of US presidents, with no convictions. Jackson and Clinton were both acquitted. Clinton and his party were likely helped, Jackson and his party were likely harmed. Much will depend on the particular case. Clinton was a popular president in his second term. For Jackson, there was no scientific polling, but he was never elected in the first place, and was denied his party's nomination in 1868. Trump, as often is the case, is a bit of a wild card.
– De Novo
1 hour ago
@DeNovo You mean Andrew Johnson, not Jackson
– divibisan
39 mins ago
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I can't read Pelosi's mind, and I doubt anyone else here can. However, I might guess that it is simple partisan politics. It takes a 2/3 majority of Senators to actually convict on an impeachment, and almost all Senate Republicans have shown themselves willing to support Trump, whatever he does. This would make conviction impossible, so an impeachment would be nothing more than pointless political theater.
Indeed, an impeachment that failed to convict might actually benefit Trump politically.
I can't read Pelosi's mind, and I doubt anyone else here can. However, I might guess that it is simple partisan politics. It takes a 2/3 majority of Senators to actually convict on an impeachment, and almost all Senate Republicans have shown themselves willing to support Trump, whatever he does. This would make conviction impossible, so an impeachment would be nothing more than pointless political theater.
Indeed, an impeachment that failed to convict might actually benefit Trump politically.
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Thanks for your answer. However, I would like to point out that, regarding 'reading Pelosi's mind', I asked specifically whether she has made any public statements on the matter.
– Time4Tea
yesterday
It's pretty difficult to draw clear conclusions about the political consequences of impeachment sans conviction. There have been two impeachments of US presidents, with no convictions. Jackson and Clinton were both acquitted. Clinton and his party were likely helped, Jackson and his party were likely harmed. Much will depend on the particular case. Clinton was a popular president in his second term. For Jackson, there was no scientific polling, but he was never elected in the first place, and was denied his party's nomination in 1868. Trump, as often is the case, is a bit of a wild card.
– De Novo
1 hour ago
@DeNovo You mean Andrew Johnson, not Jackson
– divibisan
39 mins ago
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Thanks for your answer. However, I would like to point out that, regarding 'reading Pelosi's mind', I asked specifically whether she has made any public statements on the matter.
– Time4Tea
yesterday
It's pretty difficult to draw clear conclusions about the political consequences of impeachment sans conviction. There have been two impeachments of US presidents, with no convictions. Jackson and Clinton were both acquitted. Clinton and his party were likely helped, Jackson and his party were likely harmed. Much will depend on the particular case. Clinton was a popular president in his second term. For Jackson, there was no scientific polling, but he was never elected in the first place, and was denied his party's nomination in 1868. Trump, as often is the case, is a bit of a wild card.
– De Novo
1 hour ago
@DeNovo You mean Andrew Johnson, not Jackson
– divibisan
39 mins ago
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Thanks for your answer. However, I would like to point out that, regarding 'reading Pelosi's mind', I asked specifically whether she has made any public statements on the matter.
– Time4Tea
yesterday
Thanks for your answer. However, I would like to point out that, regarding 'reading Pelosi's mind', I asked specifically whether she has made any public statements on the matter.
– Time4Tea
yesterday
It's pretty difficult to draw clear conclusions about the political consequences of impeachment sans conviction. There have been two impeachments of US presidents, with no convictions. Jackson and Clinton were both acquitted. Clinton and his party were likely helped, Jackson and his party were likely harmed. Much will depend on the particular case. Clinton was a popular president in his second term. For Jackson, there was no scientific polling, but he was never elected in the first place, and was denied his party's nomination in 1868. Trump, as often is the case, is a bit of a wild card.
– De Novo
1 hour ago
It's pretty difficult to draw clear conclusions about the political consequences of impeachment sans conviction. There have been two impeachments of US presidents, with no convictions. Jackson and Clinton were both acquitted. Clinton and his party were likely helped, Jackson and his party were likely harmed. Much will depend on the particular case. Clinton was a popular president in his second term. For Jackson, there was no scientific polling, but he was never elected in the first place, and was denied his party's nomination in 1868. Trump, as often is the case, is a bit of a wild card.
– De Novo
1 hour ago
@DeNovo You mean Andrew Johnson, not Jackson
– divibisan
39 mins ago
@DeNovo You mean Andrew Johnson, not Jackson
– divibisan
39 mins ago
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Because, Pelosi knows politics and knows history.
The last time the congress tried to impeach a president on the grounds of partisan politics, it ended up helping bill clinton.
And she has made comments to that effects on numerous occasions.
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I haven't voted on your question either way... but can you quote such a comment from Pelosi?
– Fizz
yesterday
1
@Fizz: I actually tried looking for it. But unfortunately it has proven impossible, because GOOGLE prioritizes recent stories in the result. when I search "trump pelosi impeachment" I got so many thousands of hits from just the last 48 hours, I had to give up. But if you trust my memory, that's what I remembered reading over the last 18 months.
– dolphin_of_france
yesterday
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@dolphin_of_france: You can easily work around that by searching results with a maximum date using the Tools tab to the right under the search bar.
– Denis de Bernardy
21 hours ago
1
You are assuming that trump would be impeached (solely) "on the grounds of partisan politics,
" ?
– Mawg
17 hours ago
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Because, Pelosi knows politics and knows history.
The last time the congress tried to impeach a president on the grounds of partisan politics, it ended up helping bill clinton.
And she has made comments to that effects on numerous occasions.
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I haven't voted on your question either way... but can you quote such a comment from Pelosi?
– Fizz
yesterday
1
@Fizz: I actually tried looking for it. But unfortunately it has proven impossible, because GOOGLE prioritizes recent stories in the result. when I search "trump pelosi impeachment" I got so many thousands of hits from just the last 48 hours, I had to give up. But if you trust my memory, that's what I remembered reading over the last 18 months.
– dolphin_of_france
yesterday
4
@dolphin_of_france: You can easily work around that by searching results with a maximum date using the Tools tab to the right under the search bar.
– Denis de Bernardy
21 hours ago
1
You are assuming that trump would be impeached (solely) "on the grounds of partisan politics,
" ?
– Mawg
17 hours ago
add a comment
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Because, Pelosi knows politics and knows history.
The last time the congress tried to impeach a president on the grounds of partisan politics, it ended up helping bill clinton.
And she has made comments to that effects on numerous occasions.
Because, Pelosi knows politics and knows history.
The last time the congress tried to impeach a president on the grounds of partisan politics, it ended up helping bill clinton.
And she has made comments to that effects on numerous occasions.
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I haven't voted on your question either way... but can you quote such a comment from Pelosi?
– Fizz
yesterday
1
@Fizz: I actually tried looking for it. But unfortunately it has proven impossible, because GOOGLE prioritizes recent stories in the result. when I search "trump pelosi impeachment" I got so many thousands of hits from just the last 48 hours, I had to give up. But if you trust my memory, that's what I remembered reading over the last 18 months.
– dolphin_of_france
yesterday
4
@dolphin_of_france: You can easily work around that by searching results with a maximum date using the Tools tab to the right under the search bar.
– Denis de Bernardy
21 hours ago
1
You are assuming that trump would be impeached (solely) "on the grounds of partisan politics,
" ?
– Mawg
17 hours ago
add a comment
|
7
I haven't voted on your question either way... but can you quote such a comment from Pelosi?
– Fizz
yesterday
1
@Fizz: I actually tried looking for it. But unfortunately it has proven impossible, because GOOGLE prioritizes recent stories in the result. when I search "trump pelosi impeachment" I got so many thousands of hits from just the last 48 hours, I had to give up. But if you trust my memory, that's what I remembered reading over the last 18 months.
– dolphin_of_france
yesterday
4
@dolphin_of_france: You can easily work around that by searching results with a maximum date using the Tools tab to the right under the search bar.
– Denis de Bernardy
21 hours ago
1
You are assuming that trump would be impeached (solely) "on the grounds of partisan politics,
" ?
– Mawg
17 hours ago
7
7
I haven't voted on your question either way... but can you quote such a comment from Pelosi?
– Fizz
yesterday
I haven't voted on your question either way... but can you quote such a comment from Pelosi?
– Fizz
yesterday
1
1
@Fizz: I actually tried looking for it. But unfortunately it has proven impossible, because GOOGLE prioritizes recent stories in the result. when I search "trump pelosi impeachment" I got so many thousands of hits from just the last 48 hours, I had to give up. But if you trust my memory, that's what I remembered reading over the last 18 months.
– dolphin_of_france
yesterday
@Fizz: I actually tried looking for it. But unfortunately it has proven impossible, because GOOGLE prioritizes recent stories in the result. when I search "trump pelosi impeachment" I got so many thousands of hits from just the last 48 hours, I had to give up. But if you trust my memory, that's what I remembered reading over the last 18 months.
– dolphin_of_france
yesterday
4
4
@dolphin_of_france: You can easily work around that by searching results with a maximum date using the Tools tab to the right under the search bar.
– Denis de Bernardy
21 hours ago
@dolphin_of_france: You can easily work around that by searching results with a maximum date using the Tools tab to the right under the search bar.
– Denis de Bernardy
21 hours ago
1
1
You are assuming that trump would be impeached (solely) "
on the grounds of partisan politics,
" ?– Mawg
17 hours ago
You are assuming that trump would be impeached (solely) "
on the grounds of partisan politics,
" ?– Mawg
17 hours ago
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"The obvious answer is that she is concerned any push for impeachment would galvanize Trump's support base." Doesn't this belong in an answer, not in the question?
– sevenbrokenbricks
18 hours ago
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Might be a good idea to reference some experts or some documentation of those crimes (about 10 counts of obstruction of justice, and being named Michael Cohen's un-indicted co-conspirator in the federal crimes which now have Cohen serving time). It might lessen the pointless and ignorant comments this question receives.
– CrackpotCrocodile
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– Philipp♦
11 hours ago
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Update: In the time since this question was submitted, Speaker Pelosi has changed her stance and announced the House will open a formal impeachment inquiry.
– Seth R
3 hours ago
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Perhaps a better title would be "Why has Speaker Pelosi been so hesitant to impeach President Trump?"
– divibisan
2 hours ago