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What is the idiomatic solution in SQL Server for reserving a block of ids for use in a bulk insert?


INSERT statements in a transaction and locking a range of rowsSequential GUID or bigint for 'huge' database table PKbulk insert for loas dataConfigure unconstrained delegation for BULK INSERTHow to handle errors in a transaction in a stored procedure?Sql server bulk insert remove text qualifierSQL Read Committed Snapshot Isolation in Database with Selects and Inserts OnlyLock Escalation happening while inserting few million records into a table in productionHow to prevent Deadlock on SELECT queries?






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I have a table with an identity column and I want to reserve a block of ids which I can use for bulk inserting, whilst allowing inserts to still happen into that table.



Note this is part of a bulk insert of several tables, where those other tables relate to these ids via an FK. Therefore I need to block them out so I can prepare the relationships beforehand.



I've found a solution which works by taking a lock on the table in a transaction and then does the reseeding (which is pretty fast). But it looks a bit hacky to me - is there a generally accepted pattern for doing this?



create table dbo.test
(
id bigint not null primary key identity(1,1),
SomeColumn nvarchar(100) not null
)


Here's the code to block out (make room for) some ids:



declare @numRowsToMakeRoomFor int = 100

BEGIN TRANSACTION;

SELECT MAX(Id) FROM dbo.test WITH ( XLOCK, TABLOCK ) -- will exclusively lock the table whilst this tran is in progress,
--another instance of this query will not be able to pass this line until this instance commits

--get the next id in the block to reserve
DECLARE @firstId BIGINT = (SELECT IDENT_CURRENT( 'dbo.test' ) +1);

--calculate the block range
DECLARE @lastId BIGINT = @firstId + (@numRowsToMakeRoomFor -1);

--reseed the table
DBCC CHECKIDENT ('dbo.test',RESEED, @lastId);

COMMIT TRANSACTION;

select @firstId;


My code is batch processing blocks of data in chunks of about 1000. I have about a billion rows to insert in total. Everything is working fine - the database isn't the bottle neck, the batch processing itself is computationally expensive and requires me to add a couple of servers to run in parallel, so I need to accommodate more than one process "batch inserting" at the same time.










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    Why not use INSERT .. SELECT .. with OUTPUT? No locking, no reseeding. Just INSERT and get the IDs from OUTPUT so you can use them in the other tables.

    – ypercubeᵀᴹ
    9 hours ago












  • @ypercubeᵀᴹ sorry, I see I didn't know you can Bulk insert with output. I'm doing the bulk insert from code (c#) which connects remotely - I guess I could write out files and then use bulk insert from a file. This might be a bit tricky.

    – Daniel James Bryars
    9 hours ago






  • 2





    What is the expensive, producing/calculating the rows? Or do you already have the data in files and just need to insert them? Also: how many tables and what are the relationships involved? Just 2 tables with an FK, many tables with a star schema, many tables with complex schema (cycles, multiple paths, etc)?

    – ypercubeᵀᴹ
    8 hours ago


















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I have a table with an identity column and I want to reserve a block of ids which I can use for bulk inserting, whilst allowing inserts to still happen into that table.



Note this is part of a bulk insert of several tables, where those other tables relate to these ids via an FK. Therefore I need to block them out so I can prepare the relationships beforehand.



I've found a solution which works by taking a lock on the table in a transaction and then does the reseeding (which is pretty fast). But it looks a bit hacky to me - is there a generally accepted pattern for doing this?



create table dbo.test
(
id bigint not null primary key identity(1,1),
SomeColumn nvarchar(100) not null
)


Here's the code to block out (make room for) some ids:



declare @numRowsToMakeRoomFor int = 100

BEGIN TRANSACTION;

SELECT MAX(Id) FROM dbo.test WITH ( XLOCK, TABLOCK ) -- will exclusively lock the table whilst this tran is in progress,
--another instance of this query will not be able to pass this line until this instance commits

--get the next id in the block to reserve
DECLARE @firstId BIGINT = (SELECT IDENT_CURRENT( 'dbo.test' ) +1);

--calculate the block range
DECLARE @lastId BIGINT = @firstId + (@numRowsToMakeRoomFor -1);

--reseed the table
DBCC CHECKIDENT ('dbo.test',RESEED, @lastId);

COMMIT TRANSACTION;

select @firstId;


My code is batch processing blocks of data in chunks of about 1000. I have about a billion rows to insert in total. Everything is working fine - the database isn't the bottle neck, the batch processing itself is computationally expensive and requires me to add a couple of servers to run in parallel, so I need to accommodate more than one process "batch inserting" at the same time.










share|improve this question





















  • 2





    Why not use INSERT .. SELECT .. with OUTPUT? No locking, no reseeding. Just INSERT and get the IDs from OUTPUT so you can use them in the other tables.

    – ypercubeᵀᴹ
    9 hours ago












  • @ypercubeᵀᴹ sorry, I see I didn't know you can Bulk insert with output. I'm doing the bulk insert from code (c#) which connects remotely - I guess I could write out files and then use bulk insert from a file. This might be a bit tricky.

    – Daniel James Bryars
    9 hours ago






  • 2





    What is the expensive, producing/calculating the rows? Or do you already have the data in files and just need to insert them? Also: how many tables and what are the relationships involved? Just 2 tables with an FK, many tables with a star schema, many tables with complex schema (cycles, multiple paths, etc)?

    – ypercubeᵀᴹ
    8 hours ago














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I have a table with an identity column and I want to reserve a block of ids which I can use for bulk inserting, whilst allowing inserts to still happen into that table.



Note this is part of a bulk insert of several tables, where those other tables relate to these ids via an FK. Therefore I need to block them out so I can prepare the relationships beforehand.



I've found a solution which works by taking a lock on the table in a transaction and then does the reseeding (which is pretty fast). But it looks a bit hacky to me - is there a generally accepted pattern for doing this?



create table dbo.test
(
id bigint not null primary key identity(1,1),
SomeColumn nvarchar(100) not null
)


Here's the code to block out (make room for) some ids:



declare @numRowsToMakeRoomFor int = 100

BEGIN TRANSACTION;

SELECT MAX(Id) FROM dbo.test WITH ( XLOCK, TABLOCK ) -- will exclusively lock the table whilst this tran is in progress,
--another instance of this query will not be able to pass this line until this instance commits

--get the next id in the block to reserve
DECLARE @firstId BIGINT = (SELECT IDENT_CURRENT( 'dbo.test' ) +1);

--calculate the block range
DECLARE @lastId BIGINT = @firstId + (@numRowsToMakeRoomFor -1);

--reseed the table
DBCC CHECKIDENT ('dbo.test',RESEED, @lastId);

COMMIT TRANSACTION;

select @firstId;


My code is batch processing blocks of data in chunks of about 1000. I have about a billion rows to insert in total. Everything is working fine - the database isn't the bottle neck, the batch processing itself is computationally expensive and requires me to add a couple of servers to run in parallel, so I need to accommodate more than one process "batch inserting" at the same time.










share|improve this question
















I have a table with an identity column and I want to reserve a block of ids which I can use for bulk inserting, whilst allowing inserts to still happen into that table.



Note this is part of a bulk insert of several tables, where those other tables relate to these ids via an FK. Therefore I need to block them out so I can prepare the relationships beforehand.



I've found a solution which works by taking a lock on the table in a transaction and then does the reseeding (which is pretty fast). But it looks a bit hacky to me - is there a generally accepted pattern for doing this?



create table dbo.test
(
id bigint not null primary key identity(1,1),
SomeColumn nvarchar(100) not null
)


Here's the code to block out (make room for) some ids:



declare @numRowsToMakeRoomFor int = 100

BEGIN TRANSACTION;

SELECT MAX(Id) FROM dbo.test WITH ( XLOCK, TABLOCK ) -- will exclusively lock the table whilst this tran is in progress,
--another instance of this query will not be able to pass this line until this instance commits

--get the next id in the block to reserve
DECLARE @firstId BIGINT = (SELECT IDENT_CURRENT( 'dbo.test' ) +1);

--calculate the block range
DECLARE @lastId BIGINT = @firstId + (@numRowsToMakeRoomFor -1);

--reseed the table
DBCC CHECKIDENT ('dbo.test',RESEED, @lastId);

COMMIT TRANSACTION;

select @firstId;


My code is batch processing blocks of data in chunks of about 1000. I have about a billion rows to insert in total. Everything is working fine - the database isn't the bottle neck, the batch processing itself is computationally expensive and requires me to add a couple of servers to run in parallel, so I need to accommodate more than one process "batch inserting" at the same time.







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  • 2





    Why not use INSERT .. SELECT .. with OUTPUT? No locking, no reseeding. Just INSERT and get the IDs from OUTPUT so you can use them in the other tables.

    – ypercubeᵀᴹ
    9 hours ago












  • @ypercubeᵀᴹ sorry, I see I didn't know you can Bulk insert with output. I'm doing the bulk insert from code (c#) which connects remotely - I guess I could write out files and then use bulk insert from a file. This might be a bit tricky.

    – Daniel James Bryars
    9 hours ago






  • 2





    What is the expensive, producing/calculating the rows? Or do you already have the data in files and just need to insert them? Also: how many tables and what are the relationships involved? Just 2 tables with an FK, many tables with a star schema, many tables with complex schema (cycles, multiple paths, etc)?

    – ypercubeᵀᴹ
    8 hours ago













  • 2





    Why not use INSERT .. SELECT .. with OUTPUT? No locking, no reseeding. Just INSERT and get the IDs from OUTPUT so you can use them in the other tables.

    – ypercubeᵀᴹ
    9 hours ago












  • @ypercubeᵀᴹ sorry, I see I didn't know you can Bulk insert with output. I'm doing the bulk insert from code (c#) which connects remotely - I guess I could write out files and then use bulk insert from a file. This might be a bit tricky.

    – Daniel James Bryars
    9 hours ago






  • 2





    What is the expensive, producing/calculating the rows? Or do you already have the data in files and just need to insert them? Also: how many tables and what are the relationships involved? Just 2 tables with an FK, many tables with a star schema, many tables with complex schema (cycles, multiple paths, etc)?

    – ypercubeᵀᴹ
    8 hours ago








2




2





Why not use INSERT .. SELECT .. with OUTPUT? No locking, no reseeding. Just INSERT and get the IDs from OUTPUT so you can use them in the other tables.

– ypercubeᵀᴹ
9 hours ago






Why not use INSERT .. SELECT .. with OUTPUT? No locking, no reseeding. Just INSERT and get the IDs from OUTPUT so you can use them in the other tables.

– ypercubeᵀᴹ
9 hours ago














@ypercubeᵀᴹ sorry, I see I didn't know you can Bulk insert with output. I'm doing the bulk insert from code (c#) which connects remotely - I guess I could write out files and then use bulk insert from a file. This might be a bit tricky.

– Daniel James Bryars
9 hours ago





@ypercubeᵀᴹ sorry, I see I didn't know you can Bulk insert with output. I'm doing the bulk insert from code (c#) which connects remotely - I guess I could write out files and then use bulk insert from a file. This might be a bit tricky.

– Daniel James Bryars
9 hours ago




2




2





What is the expensive, producing/calculating the rows? Or do you already have the data in files and just need to insert them? Also: how many tables and what are the relationships involved? Just 2 tables with an FK, many tables with a star schema, many tables with complex schema (cycles, multiple paths, etc)?

– ypercubeᵀᴹ
8 hours ago






What is the expensive, producing/calculating the rows? Or do you already have the data in files and just need to insert them? Also: how many tables and what are the relationships involved? Just 2 tables with an FK, many tables with a star schema, many tables with complex schema (cycles, multiple paths, etc)?

– ypercubeᵀᴹ
8 hours ago











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You can use procedure (introduced in SQL Server 2012):
sp_sequence_get_range



To use it you need to create a SEQUENCE object and use it as a default value instead of IDENTITY column.



There is an example:



CREATE SCHEMA Test ; 
GO

CREATE SEQUENCE Test.RangeSeq
AS int
START WITH 1
INCREMENT BY 1
CACHE 10
;

CREATE TABLE Test.ProcessEvents
(
EventID int PRIMARY KEY CLUSTERED
DEFAULT (NEXT VALUE FOR Test.RangeSeq),
EventTime datetime NOT NULL DEFAULT (getdate()),
EventCode nvarchar(5) NOT NULL,
Description nvarchar(300) NULL
) ;

DECLARE @range_first_value sql_variant ,
@range_first_value_output sql_variant ;

EXEC sp_sequence_get_range
@sequence_name = N'Test.RangeSeq'
, @range_size = 4
, @range_first_value = @range_first_value_output OUTPUT ;


Documentation: sp_sequence_get_range






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    You can use procedure (introduced in SQL Server 2012):
    sp_sequence_get_range



    To use it you need to create a SEQUENCE object and use it as a default value instead of IDENTITY column.



    There is an example:



    CREATE SCHEMA Test ; 
    GO

    CREATE SEQUENCE Test.RangeSeq
    AS int
    START WITH 1
    INCREMENT BY 1
    CACHE 10
    ;

    CREATE TABLE Test.ProcessEvents
    (
    EventID int PRIMARY KEY CLUSTERED
    DEFAULT (NEXT VALUE FOR Test.RangeSeq),
    EventTime datetime NOT NULL DEFAULT (getdate()),
    EventCode nvarchar(5) NOT NULL,
    Description nvarchar(300) NULL
    ) ;

    DECLARE @range_first_value sql_variant ,
    @range_first_value_output sql_variant ;

    EXEC sp_sequence_get_range
    @sequence_name = N'Test.RangeSeq'
    , @range_size = 4
    , @range_first_value = @range_first_value_output OUTPUT ;


    Documentation: sp_sequence_get_range






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      You can use procedure (introduced in SQL Server 2012):
      sp_sequence_get_range



      To use it you need to create a SEQUENCE object and use it as a default value instead of IDENTITY column.



      There is an example:



      CREATE SCHEMA Test ; 
      GO

      CREATE SEQUENCE Test.RangeSeq
      AS int
      START WITH 1
      INCREMENT BY 1
      CACHE 10
      ;

      CREATE TABLE Test.ProcessEvents
      (
      EventID int PRIMARY KEY CLUSTERED
      DEFAULT (NEXT VALUE FOR Test.RangeSeq),
      EventTime datetime NOT NULL DEFAULT (getdate()),
      EventCode nvarchar(5) NOT NULL,
      Description nvarchar(300) NULL
      ) ;

      DECLARE @range_first_value sql_variant ,
      @range_first_value_output sql_variant ;

      EXEC sp_sequence_get_range
      @sequence_name = N'Test.RangeSeq'
      , @range_size = 4
      , @range_first_value = @range_first_value_output OUTPUT ;


      Documentation: sp_sequence_get_range






      share|improve this answer





























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        You can use procedure (introduced in SQL Server 2012):
        sp_sequence_get_range



        To use it you need to create a SEQUENCE object and use it as a default value instead of IDENTITY column.



        There is an example:



        CREATE SCHEMA Test ; 
        GO

        CREATE SEQUENCE Test.RangeSeq
        AS int
        START WITH 1
        INCREMENT BY 1
        CACHE 10
        ;

        CREATE TABLE Test.ProcessEvents
        (
        EventID int PRIMARY KEY CLUSTERED
        DEFAULT (NEXT VALUE FOR Test.RangeSeq),
        EventTime datetime NOT NULL DEFAULT (getdate()),
        EventCode nvarchar(5) NOT NULL,
        Description nvarchar(300) NULL
        ) ;

        DECLARE @range_first_value sql_variant ,
        @range_first_value_output sql_variant ;

        EXEC sp_sequence_get_range
        @sequence_name = N'Test.RangeSeq'
        , @range_size = 4
        , @range_first_value = @range_first_value_output OUTPUT ;


        Documentation: sp_sequence_get_range






        share|improve this answer















        You can use procedure (introduced in SQL Server 2012):
        sp_sequence_get_range



        To use it you need to create a SEQUENCE object and use it as a default value instead of IDENTITY column.



        There is an example:



        CREATE SCHEMA Test ; 
        GO

        CREATE SEQUENCE Test.RangeSeq
        AS int
        START WITH 1
        INCREMENT BY 1
        CACHE 10
        ;

        CREATE TABLE Test.ProcessEvents
        (
        EventID int PRIMARY KEY CLUSTERED
        DEFAULT (NEXT VALUE FOR Test.RangeSeq),
        EventTime datetime NOT NULL DEFAULT (getdate()),
        EventCode nvarchar(5) NOT NULL,
        Description nvarchar(300) NULL
        ) ;

        DECLARE @range_first_value sql_variant ,
        @range_first_value_output sql_variant ;

        EXEC sp_sequence_get_range
        @sequence_name = N'Test.RangeSeq'
        , @range_size = 4
        , @range_first_value = @range_first_value_output OUTPUT ;


        Documentation: sp_sequence_get_range







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