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Walking on an infinite grid
Help me to simplify $sumlimits_i=0^lfloorfracr2rfloorbinomribinomr-ir-2i$Find number of waysNumber of walks on 2D gridCombinations/Permutations Count Paths Through GridPath counting discreteBlock walking and non-overlapping pathsNumber of words which can be read at a gridPath counting in a grid - what's the way to prove this approach?
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I am sure someone has asked a similar question already, but I wasn't able to find it.
So lets get started: We have an infinite grid with coordinates out of $ mathbbZ $. Lets say the first coordinate is the X and the second is the Y. We start at some position on the grid (lets say $ (2, 2) $) and now want to go to an other position (lets say $ (42, 2) $). To do that we could go the following steps (for example):
$$A=(+1, 0)$$
$$B=(+1, +1)$$
$$C=(+1, -1)$$
Now I want to know the number of possible ways using the steps from above.
I already had some ideas - I'll list them here too for inspiration:
The step A has a weight of one and the step B and C has a combined weight of 2. So my mission is to find the number of their combinations to reach 40 (see example from above).
BUT this doesn't work because combinations like 'BAC' are also valid.I count the possible ways to perform the steps B and C: If n equals the number of steps into the right direction, so i can go B on $n-1$ steps (the last one is impossible, because for now I start with up only) and it corresponding down step can be on $n-2$ steps and so on...
This doesn't work, because I could go on $n-1$ steps up and on the n-th all down. Additionally things like 'BCCAB' are with this model also not possible.Well, I can see a pattern there (n equals steps to the right):
- 40xA; 0xB+C -> 1 possible way
- 38xA; 1xB+C -> $ n * (n-1) $ possible ways
- 36xA; 2xB+C -> $ n * (n-1) * (n-2) * (n-3) $ possible ways
- 34xA; 3xB+C -> $ n * (n-1) * (n-2) * (n-3) * (n-4) * (n-5) $ possible ways
...so maybe something like this: $ prodlimits_i=0limits^n/2-1 ( (n-i*2) * (n-i*2-1) ) $
So, anyone has an idea or hint for me?
EDIT: Added third idea.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics
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I am sure someone has asked a similar question already, but I wasn't able to find it.
So lets get started: We have an infinite grid with coordinates out of $ mathbbZ $. Lets say the first coordinate is the X and the second is the Y. We start at some position on the grid (lets say $ (2, 2) $) and now want to go to an other position (lets say $ (42, 2) $). To do that we could go the following steps (for example):
$$A=(+1, 0)$$
$$B=(+1, +1)$$
$$C=(+1, -1)$$
Now I want to know the number of possible ways using the steps from above.
I already had some ideas - I'll list them here too for inspiration:
The step A has a weight of one and the step B and C has a combined weight of 2. So my mission is to find the number of their combinations to reach 40 (see example from above).
BUT this doesn't work because combinations like 'BAC' are also valid.I count the possible ways to perform the steps B and C: If n equals the number of steps into the right direction, so i can go B on $n-1$ steps (the last one is impossible, because for now I start with up only) and it corresponding down step can be on $n-2$ steps and so on...
This doesn't work, because I could go on $n-1$ steps up and on the n-th all down. Additionally things like 'BCCAB' are with this model also not possible.Well, I can see a pattern there (n equals steps to the right):
- 40xA; 0xB+C -> 1 possible way
- 38xA; 1xB+C -> $ n * (n-1) $ possible ways
- 36xA; 2xB+C -> $ n * (n-1) * (n-2) * (n-3) $ possible ways
- 34xA; 3xB+C -> $ n * (n-1) * (n-2) * (n-3) * (n-4) * (n-5) $ possible ways
...so maybe something like this: $ prodlimits_i=0limits^n/2-1 ( (n-i*2) * (n-i*2-1) ) $
So, anyone has an idea or hint for me?
EDIT: Added third idea.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics
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The number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(42,2)$ is the coefficient of $t^2$ in $(t^-1+1+t)^42$.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
9 hours ago
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Sir isn't it $binom442$ . you have to walk 44 steps and you have to turn to y 2 times somewhere between. or $binom4442$ which is same
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– Rishi
9 hours ago
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read my comment if it helps
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– Rishi
9 hours ago
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Slightly different problem, but the overall reasoning might be of use math.stackexchange.com/questions/3086343/find-number-of-ways/…
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– sam wolfe
9 hours ago
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@Rishi Hmmm, that sound really good! Lets see... If i want to allow any number of up/down steps... Something like the sum from zero to n/2 over the binom? But why 44 steps? You start at 2 and have to get to 42 -> 40 steps! The steps from above (ABC) are ONE step (so right, up+right (=diagonal), down+right (=diagonal))!
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– Simonmicro
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I am sure someone has asked a similar question already, but I wasn't able to find it.
So lets get started: We have an infinite grid with coordinates out of $ mathbbZ $. Lets say the first coordinate is the X and the second is the Y. We start at some position on the grid (lets say $ (2, 2) $) and now want to go to an other position (lets say $ (42, 2) $). To do that we could go the following steps (for example):
$$A=(+1, 0)$$
$$B=(+1, +1)$$
$$C=(+1, -1)$$
Now I want to know the number of possible ways using the steps from above.
I already had some ideas - I'll list them here too for inspiration:
The step A has a weight of one and the step B and C has a combined weight of 2. So my mission is to find the number of their combinations to reach 40 (see example from above).
BUT this doesn't work because combinations like 'BAC' are also valid.I count the possible ways to perform the steps B and C: If n equals the number of steps into the right direction, so i can go B on $n-1$ steps (the last one is impossible, because for now I start with up only) and it corresponding down step can be on $n-2$ steps and so on...
This doesn't work, because I could go on $n-1$ steps up and on the n-th all down. Additionally things like 'BCCAB' are with this model also not possible.Well, I can see a pattern there (n equals steps to the right):
- 40xA; 0xB+C -> 1 possible way
- 38xA; 1xB+C -> $ n * (n-1) $ possible ways
- 36xA; 2xB+C -> $ n * (n-1) * (n-2) * (n-3) $ possible ways
- 34xA; 3xB+C -> $ n * (n-1) * (n-2) * (n-3) * (n-4) * (n-5) $ possible ways
...so maybe something like this: $ prodlimits_i=0limits^n/2-1 ( (n-i*2) * (n-i*2-1) ) $
So, anyone has an idea or hint for me?
EDIT: Added third idea.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics
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I am sure someone has asked a similar question already, but I wasn't able to find it.
So lets get started: We have an infinite grid with coordinates out of $ mathbbZ $. Lets say the first coordinate is the X and the second is the Y. We start at some position on the grid (lets say $ (2, 2) $) and now want to go to an other position (lets say $ (42, 2) $). To do that we could go the following steps (for example):
$$A=(+1, 0)$$
$$B=(+1, +1)$$
$$C=(+1, -1)$$
Now I want to know the number of possible ways using the steps from above.
I already had some ideas - I'll list them here too for inspiration:
The step A has a weight of one and the step B and C has a combined weight of 2. So my mission is to find the number of their combinations to reach 40 (see example from above).
BUT this doesn't work because combinations like 'BAC' are also valid.I count the possible ways to perform the steps B and C: If n equals the number of steps into the right direction, so i can go B on $n-1$ steps (the last one is impossible, because for now I start with up only) and it corresponding down step can be on $n-2$ steps and so on...
This doesn't work, because I could go on $n-1$ steps up and on the n-th all down. Additionally things like 'BCCAB' are with this model also not possible.Well, I can see a pattern there (n equals steps to the right):
- 40xA; 0xB+C -> 1 possible way
- 38xA; 1xB+C -> $ n * (n-1) $ possible ways
- 36xA; 2xB+C -> $ n * (n-1) * (n-2) * (n-3) $ possible ways
- 34xA; 3xB+C -> $ n * (n-1) * (n-2) * (n-3) * (n-4) * (n-5) $ possible ways
...so maybe something like this: $ prodlimits_i=0limits^n/2-1 ( (n-i*2) * (n-i*2-1) ) $
So, anyone has an idea or hint for me?
EDIT: Added third idea.
combinatorics discrete-mathematics
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The number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(42,2)$ is the coefficient of $t^2$ in $(t^-1+1+t)^42$.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
9 hours ago
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Sir isn't it $binom442$ . you have to walk 44 steps and you have to turn to y 2 times somewhere between. or $binom4442$ which is same
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– Rishi
9 hours ago
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read my comment if it helps
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– Rishi
9 hours ago
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Slightly different problem, but the overall reasoning might be of use math.stackexchange.com/questions/3086343/find-number-of-ways/…
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– sam wolfe
9 hours ago
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@Rishi Hmmm, that sound really good! Lets see... If i want to allow any number of up/down steps... Something like the sum from zero to n/2 over the binom? But why 44 steps? You start at 2 and have to get to 42 -> 40 steps! The steps from above (ABC) are ONE step (so right, up+right (=diagonal), down+right (=diagonal))!
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– Simonmicro
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The number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(42,2)$ is the coefficient of $t^2$ in $(t^-1+1+t)^42$.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
9 hours ago
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Sir isn't it $binom442$ . you have to walk 44 steps and you have to turn to y 2 times somewhere between. or $binom4442$ which is same
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– Rishi
9 hours ago
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read my comment if it helps
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– Rishi
9 hours ago
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Slightly different problem, but the overall reasoning might be of use math.stackexchange.com/questions/3086343/find-number-of-ways/…
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– sam wolfe
9 hours ago
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@Rishi Hmmm, that sound really good! Lets see... If i want to allow any number of up/down steps... Something like the sum from zero to n/2 over the binom? But why 44 steps? You start at 2 and have to get to 42 -> 40 steps! The steps from above (ABC) are ONE step (so right, up+right (=diagonal), down+right (=diagonal))!
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– Simonmicro
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The number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(42,2)$ is the coefficient of $t^2$ in $(t^-1+1+t)^42$.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
9 hours ago
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The number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(42,2)$ is the coefficient of $t^2$ in $(t^-1+1+t)^42$.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
9 hours ago
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Sir isn't it $binom442$ . you have to walk 44 steps and you have to turn to y 2 times somewhere between. or $binom4442$ which is same
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– Rishi
9 hours ago
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Sir isn't it $binom442$ . you have to walk 44 steps and you have to turn to y 2 times somewhere between. or $binom4442$ which is same
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– Rishi
9 hours ago
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read my comment if it helps
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– Rishi
9 hours ago
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read my comment if it helps
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– Rishi
9 hours ago
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Slightly different problem, but the overall reasoning might be of use math.stackexchange.com/questions/3086343/find-number-of-ways/…
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– sam wolfe
9 hours ago
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Slightly different problem, but the overall reasoning might be of use math.stackexchange.com/questions/3086343/find-number-of-ways/…
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– sam wolfe
9 hours ago
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@Rishi Hmmm, that sound really good! Lets see... If i want to allow any number of up/down steps... Something like the sum from zero to n/2 over the binom? But why 44 steps? You start at 2 and have to get to 42 -> 40 steps! The steps from above (ABC) are ONE step (so right, up+right (=diagonal), down+right (=diagonal))!
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– Simonmicro
9 hours ago
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@Rishi Hmmm, that sound really good! Lets see... If i want to allow any number of up/down steps... Something like the sum from zero to n/2 over the binom? But why 44 steps? You start at 2 and have to get to 42 -> 40 steps! The steps from above (ABC) are ONE step (so right, up+right (=diagonal), down+right (=diagonal))!
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We encode the steps with $x$ when going a step horizontally in $x$-direction and with $y$ when going vertically in $y$-direction. This way $A,B,C$ become
beginalign*
&A=(1,0)quadto x^1y^0\
&B=(1,1)quad to x^1y^1\
&C=(1,-1) to x^1y^-1\
endalign*
To go one step either $A$ or $B$ or $C$ is encoded as
beginalign*
x+xy+fracxy
endalign*
Note the number of paths from $(2,2)$ to $(42,2)$ is due to symmetry equal to the number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$. We need $40$ steps to go from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$ and so we consider
beginalign*
[x^40y^0]left(x+xy+fracxyright)^40tag1
endalign*
where we conveniently use the coefficient of operator $[x^ny^m]$ to denote the coefficient of $x^ny^m$ in a series $A(x,y)$.
We obtain
beginalign*
colorblue[x^40y^0]&colorblueleft(x+xy+fracxyright)^40\
&=[x^40y^0]x^40left(1+y+frac1yright)^40\
&=[y^0]sum_k=0^40binom40kleft(y+frac1yright)^ktag2\
&=[y^0]sum_k=0^40binom40ksum_j=0^kbinomkjy^jy^-(k-j)\
&=sum_k=0^40binom40k[y^k]sum_j=0^kbinomkjy^2jtag3\
&=sum_k=0^20binom402k[y^2k]sum_j=0^2kbinom2kjy^2jtag4\
&,,colorblue=sum_k=0^20binom402kbinom2kktag5
endalign*
in accordance with the result of @JeanMarie.
Comment:
In (2) we apply the rule $[x^p]x^q=[x^p-q]$ and apply the binomial theorem to $left(1+left(y+frac1yright)right)^40$.
In (3) we apply the rule $[y^p]y^q=[y^p-q]$ again.
In (4) we observe that only even powers $2j$ do contribute. So we need only to consider even indices $2k$.
In (5) we finally select the coefficient of $y^2k$.
Note:
The coefficients of $x^0$ in the expansion of $left(x+1+x^-1right)^n$ are called central trinomial coefficients. They do not admit a closed formula which is shown in this post.
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First of all, your problem is equivalent to find the number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$. This is what we are going to assume.
Considering $A,B,C$ as vectors, we are in a first step looking for the number of triples $(m,n,p)$ of integers such that $$mbinom10+nbinom11+pbinom 1-1=binom400 iff begincasesm+n+p&=&40\n-p&=&0endcases.$$
which amounts to say :
$$textDetermine (first) the ordered pairs of integers (m,n) textsuch that m+2n=40$$
Thus, necessarily : $m=2k$ for $k=0,1,cdots 20.$ meaning that :
$$(m,n,p)=(2k,20-k,20-k)=(0,20,20),(2,19,19),(4,18,18), etc...$$
For each pair $(m,n)$ it remains to constitute a word of $40$ letters $A,B,C$, i.e.
place into $40$ slots : $m=2k$ letters "$A$"s, $(20-k)$ letters "$B$"s, and $(20-k)$ letters "$C$"s as well.
Once the $2k$ "slots" for letters "$A$" have been attributed, we have to place the same amount of letters $B$ and $C$ into the $40-2k$ remaining "slots", i.e., $20-k$ letters $B$ and as many letters "$C$". We consider only placement of letters "$B$" (Placing letters "$C$" hasn't to be considered : they occupy the remaining "slots"). This boils down to the following count :
$$sum_k=0^20 binom402kbinom40-2k20-k=sum_k=0^20 frac40 !(2k)! (20-k) ! (20-k) !$$
I don't know if one can give a close expression to this sum...
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We encode the steps with $x$ when going a step horizontally in $x$-direction and with $y$ when going vertically in $y$-direction. This way $A,B,C$ become
beginalign*
&A=(1,0)quadto x^1y^0\
&B=(1,1)quad to x^1y^1\
&C=(1,-1) to x^1y^-1\
endalign*
To go one step either $A$ or $B$ or $C$ is encoded as
beginalign*
x+xy+fracxy
endalign*
Note the number of paths from $(2,2)$ to $(42,2)$ is due to symmetry equal to the number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$. We need $40$ steps to go from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$ and so we consider
beginalign*
[x^40y^0]left(x+xy+fracxyright)^40tag1
endalign*
where we conveniently use the coefficient of operator $[x^ny^m]$ to denote the coefficient of $x^ny^m$ in a series $A(x,y)$.
We obtain
beginalign*
colorblue[x^40y^0]&colorblueleft(x+xy+fracxyright)^40\
&=[x^40y^0]x^40left(1+y+frac1yright)^40\
&=[y^0]sum_k=0^40binom40kleft(y+frac1yright)^ktag2\
&=[y^0]sum_k=0^40binom40ksum_j=0^kbinomkjy^jy^-(k-j)\
&=sum_k=0^40binom40k[y^k]sum_j=0^kbinomkjy^2jtag3\
&=sum_k=0^20binom402k[y^2k]sum_j=0^2kbinom2kjy^2jtag4\
&,,colorblue=sum_k=0^20binom402kbinom2kktag5
endalign*
in accordance with the result of @JeanMarie.
Comment:
In (2) we apply the rule $[x^p]x^q=[x^p-q]$ and apply the binomial theorem to $left(1+left(y+frac1yright)right)^40$.
In (3) we apply the rule $[y^p]y^q=[y^p-q]$ again.
In (4) we observe that only even powers $2j$ do contribute. So we need only to consider even indices $2k$.
In (5) we finally select the coefficient of $y^2k$.
Note:
The coefficients of $x^0$ in the expansion of $left(x+1+x^-1right)^n$ are called central trinomial coefficients. They do not admit a closed formula which is shown in this post.
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$begingroup$
We encode the steps with $x$ when going a step horizontally in $x$-direction and with $y$ when going vertically in $y$-direction. This way $A,B,C$ become
beginalign*
&A=(1,0)quadto x^1y^0\
&B=(1,1)quad to x^1y^1\
&C=(1,-1) to x^1y^-1\
endalign*
To go one step either $A$ or $B$ or $C$ is encoded as
beginalign*
x+xy+fracxy
endalign*
Note the number of paths from $(2,2)$ to $(42,2)$ is due to symmetry equal to the number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$. We need $40$ steps to go from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$ and so we consider
beginalign*
[x^40y^0]left(x+xy+fracxyright)^40tag1
endalign*
where we conveniently use the coefficient of operator $[x^ny^m]$ to denote the coefficient of $x^ny^m$ in a series $A(x,y)$.
We obtain
beginalign*
colorblue[x^40y^0]&colorblueleft(x+xy+fracxyright)^40\
&=[x^40y^0]x^40left(1+y+frac1yright)^40\
&=[y^0]sum_k=0^40binom40kleft(y+frac1yright)^ktag2\
&=[y^0]sum_k=0^40binom40ksum_j=0^kbinomkjy^jy^-(k-j)\
&=sum_k=0^40binom40k[y^k]sum_j=0^kbinomkjy^2jtag3\
&=sum_k=0^20binom402k[y^2k]sum_j=0^2kbinom2kjy^2jtag4\
&,,colorblue=sum_k=0^20binom402kbinom2kktag5
endalign*
in accordance with the result of @JeanMarie.
Comment:
In (2) we apply the rule $[x^p]x^q=[x^p-q]$ and apply the binomial theorem to $left(1+left(y+frac1yright)right)^40$.
In (3) we apply the rule $[y^p]y^q=[y^p-q]$ again.
In (4) we observe that only even powers $2j$ do contribute. So we need only to consider even indices $2k$.
In (5) we finally select the coefficient of $y^2k$.
Note:
The coefficients of $x^0$ in the expansion of $left(x+1+x^-1right)^n$ are called central trinomial coefficients. They do not admit a closed formula which is shown in this post.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
We encode the steps with $x$ when going a step horizontally in $x$-direction and with $y$ when going vertically in $y$-direction. This way $A,B,C$ become
beginalign*
&A=(1,0)quadto x^1y^0\
&B=(1,1)quad to x^1y^1\
&C=(1,-1) to x^1y^-1\
endalign*
To go one step either $A$ or $B$ or $C$ is encoded as
beginalign*
x+xy+fracxy
endalign*
Note the number of paths from $(2,2)$ to $(42,2)$ is due to symmetry equal to the number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$. We need $40$ steps to go from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$ and so we consider
beginalign*
[x^40y^0]left(x+xy+fracxyright)^40tag1
endalign*
where we conveniently use the coefficient of operator $[x^ny^m]$ to denote the coefficient of $x^ny^m$ in a series $A(x,y)$.
We obtain
beginalign*
colorblue[x^40y^0]&colorblueleft(x+xy+fracxyright)^40\
&=[x^40y^0]x^40left(1+y+frac1yright)^40\
&=[y^0]sum_k=0^40binom40kleft(y+frac1yright)^ktag2\
&=[y^0]sum_k=0^40binom40ksum_j=0^kbinomkjy^jy^-(k-j)\
&=sum_k=0^40binom40k[y^k]sum_j=0^kbinomkjy^2jtag3\
&=sum_k=0^20binom402k[y^2k]sum_j=0^2kbinom2kjy^2jtag4\
&,,colorblue=sum_k=0^20binom402kbinom2kktag5
endalign*
in accordance with the result of @JeanMarie.
Comment:
In (2) we apply the rule $[x^p]x^q=[x^p-q]$ and apply the binomial theorem to $left(1+left(y+frac1yright)right)^40$.
In (3) we apply the rule $[y^p]y^q=[y^p-q]$ again.
In (4) we observe that only even powers $2j$ do contribute. So we need only to consider even indices $2k$.
In (5) we finally select the coefficient of $y^2k$.
Note:
The coefficients of $x^0$ in the expansion of $left(x+1+x^-1right)^n$ are called central trinomial coefficients. They do not admit a closed formula which is shown in this post.
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We encode the steps with $x$ when going a step horizontally in $x$-direction and with $y$ when going vertically in $y$-direction. This way $A,B,C$ become
beginalign*
&A=(1,0)quadto x^1y^0\
&B=(1,1)quad to x^1y^1\
&C=(1,-1) to x^1y^-1\
endalign*
To go one step either $A$ or $B$ or $C$ is encoded as
beginalign*
x+xy+fracxy
endalign*
Note the number of paths from $(2,2)$ to $(42,2)$ is due to symmetry equal to the number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$. We need $40$ steps to go from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$ and so we consider
beginalign*
[x^40y^0]left(x+xy+fracxyright)^40tag1
endalign*
where we conveniently use the coefficient of operator $[x^ny^m]$ to denote the coefficient of $x^ny^m$ in a series $A(x,y)$.
We obtain
beginalign*
colorblue[x^40y^0]&colorblueleft(x+xy+fracxyright)^40\
&=[x^40y^0]x^40left(1+y+frac1yright)^40\
&=[y^0]sum_k=0^40binom40kleft(y+frac1yright)^ktag2\
&=[y^0]sum_k=0^40binom40ksum_j=0^kbinomkjy^jy^-(k-j)\
&=sum_k=0^40binom40k[y^k]sum_j=0^kbinomkjy^2jtag3\
&=sum_k=0^20binom402k[y^2k]sum_j=0^2kbinom2kjy^2jtag4\
&,,colorblue=sum_k=0^20binom402kbinom2kktag5
endalign*
in accordance with the result of @JeanMarie.
Comment:
In (2) we apply the rule $[x^p]x^q=[x^p-q]$ and apply the binomial theorem to $left(1+left(y+frac1yright)right)^40$.
In (3) we apply the rule $[y^p]y^q=[y^p-q]$ again.
In (4) we observe that only even powers $2j$ do contribute. So we need only to consider even indices $2k$.
In (5) we finally select the coefficient of $y^2k$.
Note:
The coefficients of $x^0$ in the expansion of $left(x+1+x^-1right)^n$ are called central trinomial coefficients. They do not admit a closed formula which is shown in this post.
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First of all, your problem is equivalent to find the number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$. This is what we are going to assume.
Considering $A,B,C$ as vectors, we are in a first step looking for the number of triples $(m,n,p)$ of integers such that $$mbinom10+nbinom11+pbinom 1-1=binom400 iff begincasesm+n+p&=&40\n-p&=&0endcases.$$
which amounts to say :
$$textDetermine (first) the ordered pairs of integers (m,n) textsuch that m+2n=40$$
Thus, necessarily : $m=2k$ for $k=0,1,cdots 20.$ meaning that :
$$(m,n,p)=(2k,20-k,20-k)=(0,20,20),(2,19,19),(4,18,18), etc...$$
For each pair $(m,n)$ it remains to constitute a word of $40$ letters $A,B,C$, i.e.
place into $40$ slots : $m=2k$ letters "$A$"s, $(20-k)$ letters "$B$"s, and $(20-k)$ letters "$C$"s as well.
Once the $2k$ "slots" for letters "$A$" have been attributed, we have to place the same amount of letters $B$ and $C$ into the $40-2k$ remaining "slots", i.e., $20-k$ letters $B$ and as many letters "$C$". We consider only placement of letters "$B$" (Placing letters "$C$" hasn't to be considered : they occupy the remaining "slots"). This boils down to the following count :
$$sum_k=0^20 binom402kbinom40-2k20-k=sum_k=0^20 frac40 !(2k)! (20-k) ! (20-k) !$$
I don't know if one can give a close expression to this sum...
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First of all, your problem is equivalent to find the number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$. This is what we are going to assume.
Considering $A,B,C$ as vectors, we are in a first step looking for the number of triples $(m,n,p)$ of integers such that $$mbinom10+nbinom11+pbinom 1-1=binom400 iff begincasesm+n+p&=&40\n-p&=&0endcases.$$
which amounts to say :
$$textDetermine (first) the ordered pairs of integers (m,n) textsuch that m+2n=40$$
Thus, necessarily : $m=2k$ for $k=0,1,cdots 20.$ meaning that :
$$(m,n,p)=(2k,20-k,20-k)=(0,20,20),(2,19,19),(4,18,18), etc...$$
For each pair $(m,n)$ it remains to constitute a word of $40$ letters $A,B,C$, i.e.
place into $40$ slots : $m=2k$ letters "$A$"s, $(20-k)$ letters "$B$"s, and $(20-k)$ letters "$C$"s as well.
Once the $2k$ "slots" for letters "$A$" have been attributed, we have to place the same amount of letters $B$ and $C$ into the $40-2k$ remaining "slots", i.e., $20-k$ letters $B$ and as many letters "$C$". We consider only placement of letters "$B$" (Placing letters "$C$" hasn't to be considered : they occupy the remaining "slots"). This boils down to the following count :
$$sum_k=0^20 binom402kbinom40-2k20-k=sum_k=0^20 frac40 !(2k)! (20-k) ! (20-k) !$$
I don't know if one can give a close expression to this sum...
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First of all, your problem is equivalent to find the number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$. This is what we are going to assume.
Considering $A,B,C$ as vectors, we are in a first step looking for the number of triples $(m,n,p)$ of integers such that $$mbinom10+nbinom11+pbinom 1-1=binom400 iff begincasesm+n+p&=&40\n-p&=&0endcases.$$
which amounts to say :
$$textDetermine (first) the ordered pairs of integers (m,n) textsuch that m+2n=40$$
Thus, necessarily : $m=2k$ for $k=0,1,cdots 20.$ meaning that :
$$(m,n,p)=(2k,20-k,20-k)=(0,20,20),(2,19,19),(4,18,18), etc...$$
For each pair $(m,n)$ it remains to constitute a word of $40$ letters $A,B,C$, i.e.
place into $40$ slots : $m=2k$ letters "$A$"s, $(20-k)$ letters "$B$"s, and $(20-k)$ letters "$C$"s as well.
Once the $2k$ "slots" for letters "$A$" have been attributed, we have to place the same amount of letters $B$ and $C$ into the $40-2k$ remaining "slots", i.e., $20-k$ letters $B$ and as many letters "$C$". We consider only placement of letters "$B$" (Placing letters "$C$" hasn't to be considered : they occupy the remaining "slots"). This boils down to the following count :
$$sum_k=0^20 binom402kbinom40-2k20-k=sum_k=0^20 frac40 !(2k)! (20-k) ! (20-k) !$$
I don't know if one can give a close expression to this sum...
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First of all, your problem is equivalent to find the number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(40,0)$. This is what we are going to assume.
Considering $A,B,C$ as vectors, we are in a first step looking for the number of triples $(m,n,p)$ of integers such that $$mbinom10+nbinom11+pbinom 1-1=binom400 iff begincasesm+n+p&=&40\n-p&=&0endcases.$$
which amounts to say :
$$textDetermine (first) the ordered pairs of integers (m,n) textsuch that m+2n=40$$
Thus, necessarily : $m=2k$ for $k=0,1,cdots 20.$ meaning that :
$$(m,n,p)=(2k,20-k,20-k)=(0,20,20),(2,19,19),(4,18,18), etc...$$
For each pair $(m,n)$ it remains to constitute a word of $40$ letters $A,B,C$, i.e.
place into $40$ slots : $m=2k$ letters "$A$"s, $(20-k)$ letters "$B$"s, and $(20-k)$ letters "$C$"s as well.
Once the $2k$ "slots" for letters "$A$" have been attributed, we have to place the same amount of letters $B$ and $C$ into the $40-2k$ remaining "slots", i.e., $20-k$ letters $B$ and as many letters "$C$". We consider only placement of letters "$B$" (Placing letters "$C$" hasn't to be considered : they occupy the remaining "slots"). This boils down to the following count :
$$sum_k=0^20 binom402kbinom40-2k20-k=sum_k=0^20 frac40 !(2k)! (20-k) ! (20-k) !$$
I don't know if one can give a close expression to this sum...
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The number of paths from $(0,0)$ to $(42,2)$ is the coefficient of $t^2$ in $(t^-1+1+t)^42$.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
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Sir isn't it $binom442$ . you have to walk 44 steps and you have to turn to y 2 times somewhere between. or $binom4442$ which is same
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– Rishi
9 hours ago
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read my comment if it helps
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– Rishi
9 hours ago
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Slightly different problem, but the overall reasoning might be of use math.stackexchange.com/questions/3086343/find-number-of-ways/…
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– sam wolfe
9 hours ago
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@Rishi Hmmm, that sound really good! Lets see... If i want to allow any number of up/down steps... Something like the sum from zero to n/2 over the binom? But why 44 steps? You start at 2 and have to get to 42 -> 40 steps! The steps from above (ABC) are ONE step (so right, up+right (=diagonal), down+right (=diagonal))!
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– Simonmicro
9 hours ago