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There is a minhag to fast when a Sefer Torah is dropped. Does this apply if the dropped Torah was pasul (not "kosher")?

My thinking - a pasul Torah is not a "true" Torah in the sense that it can be used for congregational reading. However, it still maintains its holiness and it needs to be buried if one wants to "dispose" it. But, despite that, perhaps, the minhag applies only to usable Sifrei Torah?

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  1. What kind of a pesul are we talking about? 2. Does the minhag apply to an 85-letter scroll, or only a full one?
  
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There is a minhag to fast when a Sefer Torah is dropped. Does this apply if the dropped Torah was pasul (not "kosher")?

My thinking - a pasul Torah is not a "true" Torah in the sense that it can be used for congregational reading. However, it still maintains its holiness and it needs to be buried if one wants to "dispose" it. But, despite that, perhaps, the minhag applies only to usable Sifrei Torah?

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The Maharsham Daas Torah says that one should fast when a Pasul Sefer Torah falls, and that seems to be the opinion of most Poskim quoted in Nitei Gavriel.

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The Maharsham Daas Torah says that one should fast when a Pasul Sefer Torah falls, and that seems to be the opinion of most Poskim quoted in Nitei Gavriel.

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The Maharsham Daas Torah says that one should fast when a Pasul Sefer Torah falls, and that seems to be the opinion of most Poskim quoted in Nitei Gavriel.

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