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What sort of solar system / atmospheric conditions, if any, would allow for a very cold planet that still receives plenty of light from its sun?
Could a cold planet (tundra) develop and maintain a breathable atmosphere for humans?Ocean and air currents on a water planetStabilizing the Temperature On a Planet With a (Very) Long DayHow could you keep a rogue planet warm(ish)?Single biome (hot) desert planet, possible?Build a better cold trapLiquid water on both sides of a tidally locked planet. Feasible?Could canals solve H G Wells Martians water shortage problems?How bright does this planet look from its neighboring planet?Would this simplex ternary system be stable?
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The setting I'm interested in would involve a cold planet (cold enough for most bodies of water to be frozen - I'm thinking of an average global temperature of -20C or below). The simplest way would have to have the planet far away from its star. However I'd rather not deal with the low-light aspect, so I was wondering if there's a way to avoid that. The luminosity level I aim for is above 'Sun as seen from Mars'.
Having no atmosphere would be easy, but not exactly what I'm aiming for. I'd prefer an atmosphere that allows human life. (I mean in the breathing sense. Separate shielding for cosmic rays can be provided, if necessary)I'd prefer weather (eg. ground covered in snow, whether water-based or something else, which would also increase the albedo). I realize that Earth had several Snowball eras, but I'm wondering if there could be a planet with the above characteristics whose main state is 'snowball'.
Also - could this be possible with a blue star?
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The setting I'm interested in would involve a cold planet (cold enough for most bodies of water to be frozen - I'm thinking of an average global temperature of -20C or below). The simplest way would have to have the planet far away from its star. However I'd rather not deal with the low-light aspect, so I was wondering if there's a way to avoid that. The luminosity level I aim for is above 'Sun as seen from Mars'.
Having no atmosphere would be easy, but not exactly what I'm aiming for. I'd prefer an atmosphere that allows human life. (I mean in the breathing sense. Separate shielding for cosmic rays can be provided, if necessary)I'd prefer weather (eg. ground covered in snow, whether water-based or something else, which would also increase the albedo). I realize that Earth had several Snowball eras, but I'm wondering if there could be a planet with the above characteristics whose main state is 'snowball'.
Also - could this be possible with a blue star?
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You do of course know that our own Earth has spent multiple long spells frozen all over, for a total of about one hundred million years of being a "very cold planet that still received plenty of light from the Sun".
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The setting I'm interested in would involve a cold planet (cold enough for most bodies of water to be frozen - I'm thinking of an average global temperature of -20C or below). The simplest way would have to have the planet far away from its star. However I'd rather not deal with the low-light aspect, so I was wondering if there's a way to avoid that. The luminosity level I aim for is above 'Sun as seen from Mars'.
Having no atmosphere would be easy, but not exactly what I'm aiming for. I'd prefer an atmosphere that allows human life. (I mean in the breathing sense. Separate shielding for cosmic rays can be provided, if necessary)I'd prefer weather (eg. ground covered in snow, whether water-based or something else, which would also increase the albedo). I realize that Earth had several Snowball eras, but I'm wondering if there could be a planet with the above characteristics whose main state is 'snowball'.
Also - could this be possible with a blue star?
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The setting I'm interested in would involve a cold planet (cold enough for most bodies of water to be frozen - I'm thinking of an average global temperature of -20C or below). The simplest way would have to have the planet far away from its star. However I'd rather not deal with the low-light aspect, so I was wondering if there's a way to avoid that. The luminosity level I aim for is above 'Sun as seen from Mars'.
Having no atmosphere would be easy, but not exactly what I'm aiming for. I'd prefer an atmosphere that allows human life. (I mean in the breathing sense. Separate shielding for cosmic rays can be provided, if necessary)I'd prefer weather (eg. ground covered in snow, whether water-based or something else, which would also increase the albedo). I realize that Earth had several Snowball eras, but I'm wondering if there could be a planet with the above characteristics whose main state is 'snowball'.
Also - could this be possible with a blue star?
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You do of course know that our own Earth has spent multiple long spells frozen all over, for a total of about one hundred million years of being a "very cold planet that still received plenty of light from the Sun".
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You do of course know that our own Earth has spent multiple long spells frozen all over, for a total of about one hundred million years of being a "very cold planet that still received plenty of light from the Sun".
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You do of course know that our own Earth has spent multiple long spells frozen all over, for a total of about one hundred million years of being a "very cold planet that still received plenty of light from the Sun".
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You do of course know that our own Earth has spent multiple long spells frozen all over, for a total of about one hundred million years of being a "very cold planet that still received plenty of light from the Sun".
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Just remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere: CO2, H2O, CH4, for example.
This would lower the amount of infrared radiation trapped by atmosphere, lowering as a consequence the temperature.
Keep in mind that since the climate is a complex system with several feed-back and feed-forward, a snowball planet would reinforce its conditions: more water trapped as ice ==> less water in the atmosphere ==> lower temperatures ==> more water trapped as ice.
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I was typing a much more convoluted answer, involving captured rogue planets with frozen cores. This one is much simpler and feasible.
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Our planet is just a few thousand years out of an ice age. To get a habitable planet covered in ice (or mostly covered in ice):
- Make the sun slightly dimmer (less radiated heat)
- Make the planet slightly further from the sun (less intercepted heat)
- Make the planet have slightly less green house gas (less retained heat)
- Be at an extreme cold point in a planets' natural heat/cold cycle
The difference you'd need to have a planet in your required range would be surprisingly slight. Any of these listed tweaks could result in a planet colder than Earth for thousands or maybe millions of years.
As a note: to have native terrestrial life, the planet would have had to have open ocean and warm land at some point to encourage flora and fauna onto the land. Also keep in mind seasonal variation. With seasons due to axial tilt, that would mean open ocean near the equator and further toward one pole for half the year. For seasons caused by elliptical orbits, that would mean open ocean for part of the year and pack ice for the other part.
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Great answer Helion! For my own curiosity (maybe this is helpful for the OP as well): what role would an inactive/less-productive iron core have on the planet at large? I've always heard how Mars's lack of a molten core caused it to not have a good magnetic field, which would cause all kinds of radiation issues for future explorers, but what about it's effects on the climate? Would a molten-core planet be guaranteed to be 'warm' like Earth? Please let us know if you have info on that.
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@cyber101, a molten core planet like earth would not be guaranteed to be warm on the surface. The sun provides almost all the heat to the Earth's surface: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/183235/…
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The answers you've received are great! I'd like to piggy-back off of them - specifically L.Dutch's:
We can add to this answer by incorporating volcanic activity. A decent supervolcano will start a nuclear winter. An overactive, planet-wide 'ring of fire' with many small volcanoes could potentially prevent a forever-cold feedback loop. I could have mentioned something like ozone-creation-supporting environments to prevent the needless build-up of ice + providing a weak greenhouse gas, but volcanoes are cooler haha.
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Just remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere: CO2, H2O, CH4, for example.
This would lower the amount of infrared radiation trapped by atmosphere, lowering as a consequence the temperature.
Keep in mind that since the climate is a complex system with several feed-back and feed-forward, a snowball planet would reinforce its conditions: more water trapped as ice ==> less water in the atmosphere ==> lower temperatures ==> more water trapped as ice.
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I was typing a much more convoluted answer, involving captured rogue planets with frozen cores. This one is much simpler and feasible.
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Just remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere: CO2, H2O, CH4, for example.
This would lower the amount of infrared radiation trapped by atmosphere, lowering as a consequence the temperature.
Keep in mind that since the climate is a complex system with several feed-back and feed-forward, a snowball planet would reinforce its conditions: more water trapped as ice ==> less water in the atmosphere ==> lower temperatures ==> more water trapped as ice.
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I was typing a much more convoluted answer, involving captured rogue planets with frozen cores. This one is much simpler and feasible.
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– Renan
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Just remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere: CO2, H2O, CH4, for example.
This would lower the amount of infrared radiation trapped by atmosphere, lowering as a consequence the temperature.
Keep in mind that since the climate is a complex system with several feed-back and feed-forward, a snowball planet would reinforce its conditions: more water trapped as ice ==> less water in the atmosphere ==> lower temperatures ==> more water trapped as ice.
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Just remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere: CO2, H2O, CH4, for example.
This would lower the amount of infrared radiation trapped by atmosphere, lowering as a consequence the temperature.
Keep in mind that since the climate is a complex system with several feed-back and feed-forward, a snowball planet would reinforce its conditions: more water trapped as ice ==> less water in the atmosphere ==> lower temperatures ==> more water trapped as ice.
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I was typing a much more convoluted answer, involving captured rogue planets with frozen cores. This one is much simpler and feasible.
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I was typing a much more convoluted answer, involving captured rogue planets with frozen cores. This one is much simpler and feasible.
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I was typing a much more convoluted answer, involving captured rogue planets with frozen cores. This one is much simpler and feasible.
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I was typing a much more convoluted answer, involving captured rogue planets with frozen cores. This one is much simpler and feasible.
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Our planet is just a few thousand years out of an ice age. To get a habitable planet covered in ice (or mostly covered in ice):
- Make the sun slightly dimmer (less radiated heat)
- Make the planet slightly further from the sun (less intercepted heat)
- Make the planet have slightly less green house gas (less retained heat)
- Be at an extreme cold point in a planets' natural heat/cold cycle
The difference you'd need to have a planet in your required range would be surprisingly slight. Any of these listed tweaks could result in a planet colder than Earth for thousands or maybe millions of years.
As a note: to have native terrestrial life, the planet would have had to have open ocean and warm land at some point to encourage flora and fauna onto the land. Also keep in mind seasonal variation. With seasons due to axial tilt, that would mean open ocean near the equator and further toward one pole for half the year. For seasons caused by elliptical orbits, that would mean open ocean for part of the year and pack ice for the other part.
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Great answer Helion! For my own curiosity (maybe this is helpful for the OP as well): what role would an inactive/less-productive iron core have on the planet at large? I've always heard how Mars's lack of a molten core caused it to not have a good magnetic field, which would cause all kinds of radiation issues for future explorers, but what about it's effects on the climate? Would a molten-core planet be guaranteed to be 'warm' like Earth? Please let us know if you have info on that.
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@cyber101, a molten core planet like earth would not be guaranteed to be warm on the surface. The sun provides almost all the heat to the Earth's surface: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/183235/…
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Our planet is just a few thousand years out of an ice age. To get a habitable planet covered in ice (or mostly covered in ice):
- Make the sun slightly dimmer (less radiated heat)
- Make the planet slightly further from the sun (less intercepted heat)
- Make the planet have slightly less green house gas (less retained heat)
- Be at an extreme cold point in a planets' natural heat/cold cycle
The difference you'd need to have a planet in your required range would be surprisingly slight. Any of these listed tweaks could result in a planet colder than Earth for thousands or maybe millions of years.
As a note: to have native terrestrial life, the planet would have had to have open ocean and warm land at some point to encourage flora and fauna onto the land. Also keep in mind seasonal variation. With seasons due to axial tilt, that would mean open ocean near the equator and further toward one pole for half the year. For seasons caused by elliptical orbits, that would mean open ocean for part of the year and pack ice for the other part.
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Great answer Helion! For my own curiosity (maybe this is helpful for the OP as well): what role would an inactive/less-productive iron core have on the planet at large? I've always heard how Mars's lack of a molten core caused it to not have a good magnetic field, which would cause all kinds of radiation issues for future explorers, but what about it's effects on the climate? Would a molten-core planet be guaranteed to be 'warm' like Earth? Please let us know if you have info on that.
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@cyber101, a molten core planet like earth would not be guaranteed to be warm on the surface. The sun provides almost all the heat to the Earth's surface: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/183235/…
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Our planet is just a few thousand years out of an ice age. To get a habitable planet covered in ice (or mostly covered in ice):
- Make the sun slightly dimmer (less radiated heat)
- Make the planet slightly further from the sun (less intercepted heat)
- Make the planet have slightly less green house gas (less retained heat)
- Be at an extreme cold point in a planets' natural heat/cold cycle
The difference you'd need to have a planet in your required range would be surprisingly slight. Any of these listed tweaks could result in a planet colder than Earth for thousands or maybe millions of years.
As a note: to have native terrestrial life, the planet would have had to have open ocean and warm land at some point to encourage flora and fauna onto the land. Also keep in mind seasonal variation. With seasons due to axial tilt, that would mean open ocean near the equator and further toward one pole for half the year. For seasons caused by elliptical orbits, that would mean open ocean for part of the year and pack ice for the other part.
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Our planet is just a few thousand years out of an ice age. To get a habitable planet covered in ice (or mostly covered in ice):
- Make the sun slightly dimmer (less radiated heat)
- Make the planet slightly further from the sun (less intercepted heat)
- Make the planet have slightly less green house gas (less retained heat)
- Be at an extreme cold point in a planets' natural heat/cold cycle
The difference you'd need to have a planet in your required range would be surprisingly slight. Any of these listed tweaks could result in a planet colder than Earth for thousands or maybe millions of years.
As a note: to have native terrestrial life, the planet would have had to have open ocean and warm land at some point to encourage flora and fauna onto the land. Also keep in mind seasonal variation. With seasons due to axial tilt, that would mean open ocean near the equator and further toward one pole for half the year. For seasons caused by elliptical orbits, that would mean open ocean for part of the year and pack ice for the other part.
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Great answer Helion! For my own curiosity (maybe this is helpful for the OP as well): what role would an inactive/less-productive iron core have on the planet at large? I've always heard how Mars's lack of a molten core caused it to not have a good magnetic field, which would cause all kinds of radiation issues for future explorers, but what about it's effects on the climate? Would a molten-core planet be guaranteed to be 'warm' like Earth? Please let us know if you have info on that.
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@cyber101, a molten core planet like earth would not be guaranteed to be warm on the surface. The sun provides almost all the heat to the Earth's surface: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/183235/…
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Great answer Helion! For my own curiosity (maybe this is helpful for the OP as well): what role would an inactive/less-productive iron core have on the planet at large? I've always heard how Mars's lack of a molten core caused it to not have a good magnetic field, which would cause all kinds of radiation issues for future explorers, but what about it's effects on the climate? Would a molten-core planet be guaranteed to be 'warm' like Earth? Please let us know if you have info on that.
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@cyber101, a molten core planet like earth would not be guaranteed to be warm on the surface. The sun provides almost all the heat to the Earth's surface: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/183235/…
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Great answer Helion! For my own curiosity (maybe this is helpful for the OP as well): what role would an inactive/less-productive iron core have on the planet at large? I've always heard how Mars's lack of a molten core caused it to not have a good magnetic field, which would cause all kinds of radiation issues for future explorers, but what about it's effects on the climate? Would a molten-core planet be guaranteed to be 'warm' like Earth? Please let us know if you have info on that.
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Great answer Helion! For my own curiosity (maybe this is helpful for the OP as well): what role would an inactive/less-productive iron core have on the planet at large? I've always heard how Mars's lack of a molten core caused it to not have a good magnetic field, which would cause all kinds of radiation issues for future explorers, but what about it's effects on the climate? Would a molten-core planet be guaranteed to be 'warm' like Earth? Please let us know if you have info on that.
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@cyber101, a molten core planet like earth would not be guaranteed to be warm on the surface. The sun provides almost all the heat to the Earth's surface: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/183235/…
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@cyber101, a molten core planet like earth would not be guaranteed to be warm on the surface. The sun provides almost all the heat to the Earth's surface: physics.stackexchange.com/questions/183235/…
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The answers you've received are great! I'd like to piggy-back off of them - specifically L.Dutch's:
We can add to this answer by incorporating volcanic activity. A decent supervolcano will start a nuclear winter. An overactive, planet-wide 'ring of fire' with many small volcanoes could potentially prevent a forever-cold feedback loop. I could have mentioned something like ozone-creation-supporting environments to prevent the needless build-up of ice + providing a weak greenhouse gas, but volcanoes are cooler haha.
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The answers you've received are great! I'd like to piggy-back off of them - specifically L.Dutch's:
We can add to this answer by incorporating volcanic activity. A decent supervolcano will start a nuclear winter. An overactive, planet-wide 'ring of fire' with many small volcanoes could potentially prevent a forever-cold feedback loop. I could have mentioned something like ozone-creation-supporting environments to prevent the needless build-up of ice + providing a weak greenhouse gas, but volcanoes are cooler haha.
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The answers you've received are great! I'd like to piggy-back off of them - specifically L.Dutch's:
We can add to this answer by incorporating volcanic activity. A decent supervolcano will start a nuclear winter. An overactive, planet-wide 'ring of fire' with many small volcanoes could potentially prevent a forever-cold feedback loop. I could have mentioned something like ozone-creation-supporting environments to prevent the needless build-up of ice + providing a weak greenhouse gas, but volcanoes are cooler haha.
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The answers you've received are great! I'd like to piggy-back off of them - specifically L.Dutch's:
We can add to this answer by incorporating volcanic activity. A decent supervolcano will start a nuclear winter. An overactive, planet-wide 'ring of fire' with many small volcanoes could potentially prevent a forever-cold feedback loop. I could have mentioned something like ozone-creation-supporting environments to prevent the needless build-up of ice + providing a weak greenhouse gas, but volcanoes are cooler haha.
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You do of course know that our own Earth has spent multiple long spells frozen all over, for a total of about one hundred million years of being a "very cold planet that still received plenty of light from the Sun".
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