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What is time? Does it flow linearly? If so, how are we sure?


What is time, does it flow, and if so what defines its direction?Is “now” the bounding edge of the universe in the time dimension?When did people start to regard “time” as a physical quantity?How was time defined before we knew the speed of light was constant or in classical physics?If time is relative, how could time pass?Does Inertial time dilation demonstrate that Time is not a dimension?About time and time dilationIf microscopic dimensions were found in particle experiments, how do we determine whether it is spatial or temporal?What does it mean by “the age or our universe”?Clock at event horizonDoes time stop inside a black hole? How about at it's singularity?






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Distances in our world (classically at least) can be defined by considering our world to be a model for the Euclidean normed three dimensional space. But how can we set the notion of time on a firm footing? What are the first principles here?



Because almost everywhere in physics, we want to see how a system evolves with “time”. But when I think about it, I can’t find a clear understanding of what time is.



I’m not talking of “the arrow of time”, just time.



Before relativity also, physicists worked with time rates. But how can we be sure that a ticking device is measuring time linearly? As far as I can see, there must be a guaranteed (local, for relativity) existence at every place in the universe of some time keeping mechanism which is infinitely accurate and can be accessed by the observer to read off the time differences between events he observes.



What guarantees such existence?



Basically what I’m asking is against what the rate of time flow is measured. Or asking it is nonsense?



Is there some different way to firmly define this notion?




This is NOT the same question as the marked question, here.



Here, I ask how do we assure that a time keeping device ticks at “equal” intervals? How do we measure these “equal intervals” with? We surely can’t rely on our perception for it.



It is much like (to me) the problem of defining temperature in classical thermodynamics. We have to resort to statistical theory for a firm definition of it. We just can’t say that temperature is proportional to the height of mercury column in a thermometer. Because we’ll, it just isn’t...










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    The rate or time flow is measured against changes in the world around us that we can observe. The official SI standard is based on a caesium atom's ground-state electron transition frequency, because it is considered objective, universal and accessible (fairly "easy" to verify anywhere). But you could measure time according to a ticking pendulum, a revolution of the Sun on our sky or a decaying apple tree. Theoretically, if time suddenly slowed down to, say, half the current rate, you wouldn't be able to know, because everything you measure time with would likewise be slowed down similarly.
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    @Atom That's the point. We don't. But we have to pick something as our reference to measure everything else against. If that reference itself is varying - if the Cs atom frequency suddenly changed on all Cs atoms on the planet - then we might notice because everything else, all clocks on earth, that have been set according to this reference still would agree with each other but suddenly not to the reference. But if other types of changes will or has happened, like if time changes universally, then we simply wouldn't be able to know because our reference would change along.
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    FWIW, here's a couple of quotes from the first chapter of "Gravitation": (1) "Good clocks make spacetime trajectories of free particles look straight" and (2)"Time is defined to make motion look simple!"
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Distances in our world (classically at least) can be defined by considering our world to be a model for the Euclidean normed three dimensional space. But how can we set the notion of time on a firm footing? What are the first principles here?



Because almost everywhere in physics, we want to see how a system evolves with “time”. But when I think about it, I can’t find a clear understanding of what time is.



I’m not talking of “the arrow of time”, just time.



Before relativity also, physicists worked with time rates. But how can we be sure that a ticking device is measuring time linearly? As far as I can see, there must be a guaranteed (local, for relativity) existence at every place in the universe of some time keeping mechanism which is infinitely accurate and can be accessed by the observer to read off the time differences between events he observes.



What guarantees such existence?



Basically what I’m asking is against what the rate of time flow is measured. Or asking it is nonsense?



Is there some different way to firmly define this notion?




This is NOT the same question as the marked question, here.



Here, I ask how do we assure that a time keeping device ticks at “equal” intervals? How do we measure these “equal intervals” with? We surely can’t rely on our perception for it.



It is much like (to me) the problem of defining temperature in classical thermodynamics. We have to resort to statistical theory for a firm definition of it. We just can’t say that temperature is proportional to the height of mercury column in a thermometer. Because we’ll, it just isn’t...










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    The rate or time flow is measured against changes in the world around us that we can observe. The official SI standard is based on a caesium atom's ground-state electron transition frequency, because it is considered objective, universal and accessible (fairly "easy" to verify anywhere). But you could measure time according to a ticking pendulum, a revolution of the Sun on our sky or a decaying apple tree. Theoretically, if time suddenly slowed down to, say, half the current rate, you wouldn't be able to know, because everything you measure time with would likewise be slowed down similarly.
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    @Steeven But how do we know that the Cs clock ticks at equal intervals? Or is it just that we define it to be at equal intervals?
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    @Atom That's the point. We don't. But we have to pick something as our reference to measure everything else against. If that reference itself is varying - if the Cs atom frequency suddenly changed on all Cs atoms on the planet - then we might notice because everything else, all clocks on earth, that have been set according to this reference still would agree with each other but suddenly not to the reference. But if other types of changes will or has happened, like if time changes universally, then we simply wouldn't be able to know because our reference would change along.
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    FWIW, here's a couple of quotes from the first chapter of "Gravitation": (1) "Good clocks make spacetime trajectories of free particles look straight" and (2)"Time is defined to make motion look simple!"
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Distances in our world (classically at least) can be defined by considering our world to be a model for the Euclidean normed three dimensional space. But how can we set the notion of time on a firm footing? What are the first principles here?



Because almost everywhere in physics, we want to see how a system evolves with “time”. But when I think about it, I can’t find a clear understanding of what time is.



I’m not talking of “the arrow of time”, just time.



Before relativity also, physicists worked with time rates. But how can we be sure that a ticking device is measuring time linearly? As far as I can see, there must be a guaranteed (local, for relativity) existence at every place in the universe of some time keeping mechanism which is infinitely accurate and can be accessed by the observer to read off the time differences between events he observes.



What guarantees such existence?



Basically what I’m asking is against what the rate of time flow is measured. Or asking it is nonsense?



Is there some different way to firmly define this notion?




This is NOT the same question as the marked question, here.



Here, I ask how do we assure that a time keeping device ticks at “equal” intervals? How do we measure these “equal intervals” with? We surely can’t rely on our perception for it.



It is much like (to me) the problem of defining temperature in classical thermodynamics. We have to resort to statistical theory for a firm definition of it. We just can’t say that temperature is proportional to the height of mercury column in a thermometer. Because we’ll, it just isn’t...










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Distances in our world (classically at least) can be defined by considering our world to be a model for the Euclidean normed three dimensional space. But how can we set the notion of time on a firm footing? What are the first principles here?



Because almost everywhere in physics, we want to see how a system evolves with “time”. But when I think about it, I can’t find a clear understanding of what time is.



I’m not talking of “the arrow of time”, just time.



Before relativity also, physicists worked with time rates. But how can we be sure that a ticking device is measuring time linearly? As far as I can see, there must be a guaranteed (local, for relativity) existence at every place in the universe of some time keeping mechanism which is infinitely accurate and can be accessed by the observer to read off the time differences between events he observes.



What guarantees such existence?



Basically what I’m asking is against what the rate of time flow is measured. Or asking it is nonsense?



Is there some different way to firmly define this notion?




This is NOT the same question as the marked question, here.



Here, I ask how do we assure that a time keeping device ticks at “equal” intervals? How do we measure these “equal intervals” with? We surely can’t rely on our perception for it.



It is much like (to me) the problem of defining temperature in classical thermodynamics. We have to resort to statistical theory for a firm definition of it. We just can’t say that temperature is proportional to the height of mercury column in a thermometer. Because we’ll, it just isn’t...







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    The rate or time flow is measured against changes in the world around us that we can observe. The official SI standard is based on a caesium atom's ground-state electron transition frequency, because it is considered objective, universal and accessible (fairly "easy" to verify anywhere). But you could measure time according to a ticking pendulum, a revolution of the Sun on our sky or a decaying apple tree. Theoretically, if time suddenly slowed down to, say, half the current rate, you wouldn't be able to know, because everything you measure time with would likewise be slowed down similarly.
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    @Steeven But how do we know that the Cs clock ticks at equal intervals? Or is it just that we define it to be at equal intervals?
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    @Atom That's the point. We don't. But we have to pick something as our reference to measure everything else against. If that reference itself is varying - if the Cs atom frequency suddenly changed on all Cs atoms on the planet - then we might notice because everything else, all clocks on earth, that have been set according to this reference still would agree with each other but suddenly not to the reference. But if other types of changes will or has happened, like if time changes universally, then we simply wouldn't be able to know because our reference would change along.
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    FWIW, here's a couple of quotes from the first chapter of "Gravitation": (1) "Good clocks make spacetime trajectories of free particles look straight" and (2)"Time is defined to make motion look simple!"
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    The rate or time flow is measured against changes in the world around us that we can observe. The official SI standard is based on a caesium atom's ground-state electron transition frequency, because it is considered objective, universal and accessible (fairly "easy" to verify anywhere). But you could measure time according to a ticking pendulum, a revolution of the Sun on our sky or a decaying apple tree. Theoretically, if time suddenly slowed down to, say, half the current rate, you wouldn't be able to know, because everything you measure time with would likewise be slowed down similarly.
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    @Atom That's the point. We don't. But we have to pick something as our reference to measure everything else against. If that reference itself is varying - if the Cs atom frequency suddenly changed on all Cs atoms on the planet - then we might notice because everything else, all clocks on earth, that have been set according to this reference still would agree with each other but suddenly not to the reference. But if other types of changes will or has happened, like if time changes universally, then we simply wouldn't be able to know because our reference would change along.
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    FWIW, here's a couple of quotes from the first chapter of "Gravitation": (1) "Good clocks make spacetime trajectories of free particles look straight" and (2)"Time is defined to make motion look simple!"
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The rate or time flow is measured against changes in the world around us that we can observe. The official SI standard is based on a caesium atom's ground-state electron transition frequency, because it is considered objective, universal and accessible (fairly "easy" to verify anywhere). But you could measure time according to a ticking pendulum, a revolution of the Sun on our sky or a decaying apple tree. Theoretically, if time suddenly slowed down to, say, half the current rate, you wouldn't be able to know, because everything you measure time with would likewise be slowed down similarly.
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The rate or time flow is measured against changes in the world around us that we can observe. The official SI standard is based on a caesium atom's ground-state electron transition frequency, because it is considered objective, universal and accessible (fairly "easy" to verify anywhere). But you could measure time according to a ticking pendulum, a revolution of the Sun on our sky or a decaying apple tree. Theoretically, if time suddenly slowed down to, say, half the current rate, you wouldn't be able to know, because everything you measure time with would likewise be slowed down similarly.
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@Steeven But how do we know that the Cs clock ticks at equal intervals? Or is it just that we define it to be at equal intervals?
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@Atom That's the point. We don't. But we have to pick something as our reference to measure everything else against. If that reference itself is varying - if the Cs atom frequency suddenly changed on all Cs atoms on the planet - then we might notice because everything else, all clocks on earth, that have been set according to this reference still would agree with each other but suddenly not to the reference. But if other types of changes will or has happened, like if time changes universally, then we simply wouldn't be able to know because our reference would change along.
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@Atom That's the point. We don't. But we have to pick something as our reference to measure everything else against. If that reference itself is varying - if the Cs atom frequency suddenly changed on all Cs atoms on the planet - then we might notice because everything else, all clocks on earth, that have been set according to this reference still would agree with each other but suddenly not to the reference. But if other types of changes will or has happened, like if time changes universally, then we simply wouldn't be able to know because our reference would change along.
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Time (specifically proper time) is the thing measured by clocks. We can be sure that equal time intervals measured by clocks are equal because we have defined time to be the thing that clocks measure. If a clock measured twice as much of something and if the thing that clocks measure is defined to be time then what it measured was by definition twice as much time.



Now, there is no such thing as an ideal clock, but there are some clocks that agree with each other better than other clocks. These clocks that agree with each other well over a long time are used as the standard clocks, and groups of them (at least 3) are used together to detect when one starts to fail electronically or mechanically. Other clocks that are less stable are compared to the standard clocks and adjusted as needed. Clocks that don’t agree with the standard clocks are fixed or removed.






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    But suppose the group of clocks we chose were such that they ticked in unison but the length between successive ticks increased quadratically with each number of tick. It would mean that the lifespan of humans is continuously increasing. Then what would we do?
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    Not only that, but it would also imply violation of time translation symmetry in many cases. Like I gave you the above example.
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    Such clocks would never be chosen as the reference standards because their disagreement rate would grow linearly in time and we already have clocks whose disagreement rate is constant in time.
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    Disagreement rate with what? I said that all the quadratic clocks ticked in unison always.
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    How could you conclude then which set of clocks, linear or quadratic, was correct? Cuz there’s no objective truth here.
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Although the answer given above is good, I want to add something for both the OP and future readers of this post.



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. . .But when I think about it, I can’t find a clear understanding of
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Physics, as a mainstream science, doesn't seem to have much of an answer to questions about what time actually is. Physicists certainly wonder about the nature of time in their own spare time just as you seem to be wondering about it. But as far as normal experimental physics goes, being able to measure time with clocks is about as close to understanding time as we get. Scientists in general do not have much of any way to resolve issues about things above and beyond what they can measure.






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Much of the answer to your question is actually part of philosophy more than physics. "What is time?" is a famously difficult open ended question in philosophy. For example, philosophers will question whether time is discrete or continuous.



As for the practical scientist, what we observe is that the things we call clocks (i.e. hour glasses, watches, atomic clocks, etc.) behave in a way which is consistent with each other. If you look at the state of one clock, you can very reliably predict the state of another clock. And it seems the more "reliable" a clock is, the more predictable they are. Atomic clocks, for instance, are known to be remarkably consistent with respect to one another.



When we measure physical events, and reference this against the behaviors of these accurate clocks, we find that there is a very predictable pattern if we assume there is some variable, "time," which is ticked off linearly by these clocks. When we make this assumption, the laws of physics become "simple."



Thus we use it. Time can indeed be thought of as nothing more than a convenient analogy for physical behaviors. Or one may dabble into the philosophy to dig deeper.



Or, as an alternative, consider a reversed method of thinking. The thing scientists refer to as "time" is that which best fits the observations made about clocks. After all, science is an art of drawing conclusions about reality using data.






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Time (specifically proper time) is the thing measured by clocks. We can be sure that equal time intervals measured by clocks are equal because we have defined time to be the thing that clocks measure. If a clock measured twice as much of something and if the thing that clocks measure is defined to be time then what it measured was by definition twice as much time.



Now, there is no such thing as an ideal clock, but there are some clocks that agree with each other better than other clocks. These clocks that agree with each other well over a long time are used as the standard clocks, and groups of them (at least 3) are used together to detect when one starts to fail electronically or mechanically. Other clocks that are less stable are compared to the standard clocks and adjusted as needed. Clocks that don’t agree with the standard clocks are fixed or removed.






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    But suppose the group of clocks we chose were such that they ticked in unison but the length between successive ticks increased quadratically with each number of tick. It would mean that the lifespan of humans is continuously increasing. Then what would we do?
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    Not only that, but it would also imply violation of time translation symmetry in many cases. Like I gave you the above example.
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    Such clocks would never be chosen as the reference standards because their disagreement rate would grow linearly in time and we already have clocks whose disagreement rate is constant in time.
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    Disagreement rate with what? I said that all the quadratic clocks ticked in unison always.
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    How could you conclude then which set of clocks, linear or quadratic, was correct? Cuz there’s no objective truth here.
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Time (specifically proper time) is the thing measured by clocks. We can be sure that equal time intervals measured by clocks are equal because we have defined time to be the thing that clocks measure. If a clock measured twice as much of something and if the thing that clocks measure is defined to be time then what it measured was by definition twice as much time.



Now, there is no such thing as an ideal clock, but there are some clocks that agree with each other better than other clocks. These clocks that agree with each other well over a long time are used as the standard clocks, and groups of them (at least 3) are used together to detect when one starts to fail electronically or mechanically. Other clocks that are less stable are compared to the standard clocks and adjusted as needed. Clocks that don’t agree with the standard clocks are fixed or removed.






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    But suppose the group of clocks we chose were such that they ticked in unison but the length between successive ticks increased quadratically with each number of tick. It would mean that the lifespan of humans is continuously increasing. Then what would we do?
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    Not only that, but it would also imply violation of time translation symmetry in many cases. Like I gave you the above example.
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    Disagreement rate with what? I said that all the quadratic clocks ticked in unison always.
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    How could you conclude then which set of clocks, linear or quadratic, was correct? Cuz there’s no objective truth here.
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Time (specifically proper time) is the thing measured by clocks. We can be sure that equal time intervals measured by clocks are equal because we have defined time to be the thing that clocks measure. If a clock measured twice as much of something and if the thing that clocks measure is defined to be time then what it measured was by definition twice as much time.



Now, there is no such thing as an ideal clock, but there are some clocks that agree with each other better than other clocks. These clocks that agree with each other well over a long time are used as the standard clocks, and groups of them (at least 3) are used together to detect when one starts to fail electronically or mechanically. Other clocks that are less stable are compared to the standard clocks and adjusted as needed. Clocks that don’t agree with the standard clocks are fixed or removed.






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Time (specifically proper time) is the thing measured by clocks. We can be sure that equal time intervals measured by clocks are equal because we have defined time to be the thing that clocks measure. If a clock measured twice as much of something and if the thing that clocks measure is defined to be time then what it measured was by definition twice as much time.



Now, there is no such thing as an ideal clock, but there are some clocks that agree with each other better than other clocks. These clocks that agree with each other well over a long time are used as the standard clocks, and groups of them (at least 3) are used together to detect when one starts to fail electronically or mechanically. Other clocks that are less stable are compared to the standard clocks and adjusted as needed. Clocks that don’t agree with the standard clocks are fixed or removed.







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    But suppose the group of clocks we chose were such that they ticked in unison but the length between successive ticks increased quadratically with each number of tick. It would mean that the lifespan of humans is continuously increasing. Then what would we do?
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    Not only that, but it would also imply violation of time translation symmetry in many cases. Like I gave you the above example.
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    Such clocks would never be chosen as the reference standards because their disagreement rate would grow linearly in time and we already have clocks whose disagreement rate is constant in time.
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    – Dale
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    Disagreement rate with what? I said that all the quadratic clocks ticked in unison always.
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    – Atom
    6 hours ago











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    How could you conclude then which set of clocks, linear or quadratic, was correct? Cuz there’s no objective truth here.
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    – Atom
    6 hours ago
















  • $begingroup$
    But suppose the group of clocks we chose were such that they ticked in unison but the length between successive ticks increased quadratically with each number of tick. It would mean that the lifespan of humans is continuously increasing. Then what would we do?
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    Not only that, but it would also imply violation of time translation symmetry in many cases. Like I gave you the above example.
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    – Atom
    7 hours ago






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    Such clocks would never be chosen as the reference standards because their disagreement rate would grow linearly in time and we already have clocks whose disagreement rate is constant in time.
    $endgroup$
    – Dale
    7 hours ago










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    Disagreement rate with what? I said that all the quadratic clocks ticked in unison always.
    $endgroup$
    – Atom
    6 hours ago











  • $begingroup$
    How could you conclude then which set of clocks, linear or quadratic, was correct? Cuz there’s no objective truth here.
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    – Atom
    6 hours ago















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But suppose the group of clocks we chose were such that they ticked in unison but the length between successive ticks increased quadratically with each number of tick. It would mean that the lifespan of humans is continuously increasing. Then what would we do?
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– Atom
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But suppose the group of clocks we chose were such that they ticked in unison but the length between successive ticks increased quadratically with each number of tick. It would mean that the lifespan of humans is continuously increasing. Then what would we do?
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– Atom
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Not only that, but it would also imply violation of time translation symmetry in many cases. Like I gave you the above example.
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– Atom
7 hours ago




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Not only that, but it would also imply violation of time translation symmetry in many cases. Like I gave you the above example.
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– Atom
7 hours ago




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Such clocks would never be chosen as the reference standards because their disagreement rate would grow linearly in time and we already have clocks whose disagreement rate is constant in time.
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– Dale
7 hours ago




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Such clocks would never be chosen as the reference standards because their disagreement rate would grow linearly in time and we already have clocks whose disagreement rate is constant in time.
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– Dale
7 hours ago












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Disagreement rate with what? I said that all the quadratic clocks ticked in unison always.
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– Atom
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Disagreement rate with what? I said that all the quadratic clocks ticked in unison always.
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– Atom
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How could you conclude then which set of clocks, linear or quadratic, was correct? Cuz there’s no objective truth here.
$endgroup$
– Atom
6 hours ago




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How could you conclude then which set of clocks, linear or quadratic, was correct? Cuz there’s no objective truth here.
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Although the answer given above is good, I want to add something for both the OP and future readers of this post.



In your question you state:




. . .But when I think about it, I can’t find a clear understanding of
what time is.




Physics, as a mainstream science, doesn't seem to have much of an answer to questions about what time actually is. Physicists certainly wonder about the nature of time in their own spare time just as you seem to be wondering about it. But as far as normal experimental physics goes, being able to measure time with clocks is about as close to understanding time as we get. Scientists in general do not have much of any way to resolve issues about things above and beyond what they can measure.






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Although the answer given above is good, I want to add something for both the OP and future readers of this post.



In your question you state:




. . .But when I think about it, I can’t find a clear understanding of
what time is.




Physics, as a mainstream science, doesn't seem to have much of an answer to questions about what time actually is. Physicists certainly wonder about the nature of time in their own spare time just as you seem to be wondering about it. But as far as normal experimental physics goes, being able to measure time with clocks is about as close to understanding time as we get. Scientists in general do not have much of any way to resolve issues about things above and beyond what they can measure.






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$begingroup$

Although the answer given above is good, I want to add something for both the OP and future readers of this post.



In your question you state:




. . .But when I think about it, I can’t find a clear understanding of
what time is.




Physics, as a mainstream science, doesn't seem to have much of an answer to questions about what time actually is. Physicists certainly wonder about the nature of time in their own spare time just as you seem to be wondering about it. But as far as normal experimental physics goes, being able to measure time with clocks is about as close to understanding time as we get. Scientists in general do not have much of any way to resolve issues about things above and beyond what they can measure.






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$endgroup$



Although the answer given above is good, I want to add something for both the OP and future readers of this post.



In your question you state:




. . .But when I think about it, I can’t find a clear understanding of
what time is.




Physics, as a mainstream science, doesn't seem to have much of an answer to questions about what time actually is. Physicists certainly wonder about the nature of time in their own spare time just as you seem to be wondering about it. But as far as normal experimental physics goes, being able to measure time with clocks is about as close to understanding time as we get. Scientists in general do not have much of any way to resolve issues about things above and beyond what they can measure.







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Note that the order of answers on stack exchange sites changes from time to time, so you should probably avoid phrases like "the answer given above." :)
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Much of the answer to your question is actually part of philosophy more than physics. "What is time?" is a famously difficult open ended question in philosophy. For example, philosophers will question whether time is discrete or continuous.



As for the practical scientist, what we observe is that the things we call clocks (i.e. hour glasses, watches, atomic clocks, etc.) behave in a way which is consistent with each other. If you look at the state of one clock, you can very reliably predict the state of another clock. And it seems the more "reliable" a clock is, the more predictable they are. Atomic clocks, for instance, are known to be remarkably consistent with respect to one another.



When we measure physical events, and reference this against the behaviors of these accurate clocks, we find that there is a very predictable pattern if we assume there is some variable, "time," which is ticked off linearly by these clocks. When we make this assumption, the laws of physics become "simple."



Thus we use it. Time can indeed be thought of as nothing more than a convenient analogy for physical behaviors. Or one may dabble into the philosophy to dig deeper.



Or, as an alternative, consider a reversed method of thinking. The thing scientists refer to as "time" is that which best fits the observations made about clocks. After all, science is an art of drawing conclusions about reality using data.






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    Have you dived deeply into the philosophy behind this question? Do you think it is wrong if someone has not - hence why my answers are generally of unremarkable quality, because I'm doing wrong?
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$begingroup$

Much of the answer to your question is actually part of philosophy more than physics. "What is time?" is a famously difficult open ended question in philosophy. For example, philosophers will question whether time is discrete or continuous.



As for the practical scientist, what we observe is that the things we call clocks (i.e. hour glasses, watches, atomic clocks, etc.) behave in a way which is consistent with each other. If you look at the state of one clock, you can very reliably predict the state of another clock. And it seems the more "reliable" a clock is, the more predictable they are. Atomic clocks, for instance, are known to be remarkably consistent with respect to one another.



When we measure physical events, and reference this against the behaviors of these accurate clocks, we find that there is a very predictable pattern if we assume there is some variable, "time," which is ticked off linearly by these clocks. When we make this assumption, the laws of physics become "simple."



Thus we use it. Time can indeed be thought of as nothing more than a convenient analogy for physical behaviors. Or one may dabble into the philosophy to dig deeper.



Or, as an alternative, consider a reversed method of thinking. The thing scientists refer to as "time" is that which best fits the observations made about clocks. After all, science is an art of drawing conclusions about reality using data.






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    Have you dived deeply into the philosophy behind this question? Do you think it is wrong if someone has not - hence why my answers are generally of unremarkable quality, because I'm doing wrong?
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    – The_Sympathizer
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$begingroup$

Much of the answer to your question is actually part of philosophy more than physics. "What is time?" is a famously difficult open ended question in philosophy. For example, philosophers will question whether time is discrete or continuous.



As for the practical scientist, what we observe is that the things we call clocks (i.e. hour glasses, watches, atomic clocks, etc.) behave in a way which is consistent with each other. If you look at the state of one clock, you can very reliably predict the state of another clock. And it seems the more "reliable" a clock is, the more predictable they are. Atomic clocks, for instance, are known to be remarkably consistent with respect to one another.



When we measure physical events, and reference this against the behaviors of these accurate clocks, we find that there is a very predictable pattern if we assume there is some variable, "time," which is ticked off linearly by these clocks. When we make this assumption, the laws of physics become "simple."



Thus we use it. Time can indeed be thought of as nothing more than a convenient analogy for physical behaviors. Or one may dabble into the philosophy to dig deeper.



Or, as an alternative, consider a reversed method of thinking. The thing scientists refer to as "time" is that which best fits the observations made about clocks. After all, science is an art of drawing conclusions about reality using data.






share|cite|improve this answer









$endgroup$



Much of the answer to your question is actually part of philosophy more than physics. "What is time?" is a famously difficult open ended question in philosophy. For example, philosophers will question whether time is discrete or continuous.



As for the practical scientist, what we observe is that the things we call clocks (i.e. hour glasses, watches, atomic clocks, etc.) behave in a way which is consistent with each other. If you look at the state of one clock, you can very reliably predict the state of another clock. And it seems the more "reliable" a clock is, the more predictable they are. Atomic clocks, for instance, are known to be remarkably consistent with respect to one another.



When we measure physical events, and reference this against the behaviors of these accurate clocks, we find that there is a very predictable pattern if we assume there is some variable, "time," which is ticked off linearly by these clocks. When we make this assumption, the laws of physics become "simple."



Thus we use it. Time can indeed be thought of as nothing more than a convenient analogy for physical behaviors. Or one may dabble into the philosophy to dig deeper.



Or, as an alternative, consider a reversed method of thinking. The thing scientists refer to as "time" is that which best fits the observations made about clocks. After all, science is an art of drawing conclusions about reality using data.







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    Have you dived deeply into the philosophy behind this question? Do you think it is wrong if someone has not - hence why my answers are generally of unremarkable quality, because I'm doing wrong?
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Have you dived deeply into the philosophy behind this question? Do you think it is wrong if someone has not - hence why my answers are generally of unremarkable quality, because I'm doing wrong?
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