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How many numbers in the matrix?


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We consider a matrix $beginbmatrixa_i,jendbmatrix$ with $r$ rows and $c$ columns. We fill this matrix only with zeros and ones.



How many ones (maximally!) we can write into the matrix $rtimes c$ to not have any rectangle with ones at its vertices? Formally:
$$
forall_i_1,i_2in1,ldots,r forall_j_1,j_2in1,ldots,c big( (i_1neq i_2 wedge j_1neq j_2) Rightarrow 0ina_i_1,j_1,a_i_1,j_2, a_i_2,j_1, a_i_2,j_2 big).
$$



For example, for $3times 3$ matrix we can fill it with 6 ones:
$$
beginbmatrix
1 & 1 & 0 \
1 & 0 & 1 \
0 & 1 & 1
endbmatrix.
$$

But when we use 7 ones, then there always is a rectangle with ones at its vertices. For example:
$$beginbmatrix
mathbf 1 & mathbf 1 & 0 \
1 & 0 & 1 \
mathbf 1 & mathbf 1 & 1
endbmatrix.
$$

But what is the maximal number of ones for matrix $rtimes c$?










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    A simple (and not entirely straightforward) argument gives 2(r+c) as a weak upper bound. I suspect the answer is closer to 2max(r,c). (Actually, a tweak gives the latter, which may still be weak.) Gerhard "And What Have You Tried" Paseman, 2019.08.09.
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$begingroup$


We consider a matrix $beginbmatrixa_i,jendbmatrix$ with $r$ rows and $c$ columns. We fill this matrix only with zeros and ones.



How many ones (maximally!) we can write into the matrix $rtimes c$ to not have any rectangle with ones at its vertices? Formally:
$$
forall_i_1,i_2in1,ldots,r forall_j_1,j_2in1,ldots,c big( (i_1neq i_2 wedge j_1neq j_2) Rightarrow 0ina_i_1,j_1,a_i_1,j_2, a_i_2,j_1, a_i_2,j_2 big).
$$



For example, for $3times 3$ matrix we can fill it with 6 ones:
$$
beginbmatrix
1 & 1 & 0 \
1 & 0 & 1 \
0 & 1 & 1
endbmatrix.
$$

But when we use 7 ones, then there always is a rectangle with ones at its vertices. For example:
$$beginbmatrix
mathbf 1 & mathbf 1 & 0 \
1 & 0 & 1 \
mathbf 1 & mathbf 1 & 1
endbmatrix.
$$

But what is the maximal number of ones for matrix $rtimes c$?










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    A simple (and not entirely straightforward) argument gives 2(r+c) as a weak upper bound. I suspect the answer is closer to 2max(r,c). (Actually, a tweak gives the latter, which may still be weak.) Gerhard "And What Have You Tried" Paseman, 2019.08.09.
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$begingroup$


We consider a matrix $beginbmatrixa_i,jendbmatrix$ with $r$ rows and $c$ columns. We fill this matrix only with zeros and ones.



How many ones (maximally!) we can write into the matrix $rtimes c$ to not have any rectangle with ones at its vertices? Formally:
$$
forall_i_1,i_2in1,ldots,r forall_j_1,j_2in1,ldots,c big( (i_1neq i_2 wedge j_1neq j_2) Rightarrow 0ina_i_1,j_1,a_i_1,j_2, a_i_2,j_1, a_i_2,j_2 big).
$$



For example, for $3times 3$ matrix we can fill it with 6 ones:
$$
beginbmatrix
1 & 1 & 0 \
1 & 0 & 1 \
0 & 1 & 1
endbmatrix.
$$

But when we use 7 ones, then there always is a rectangle with ones at its vertices. For example:
$$beginbmatrix
mathbf 1 & mathbf 1 & 0 \
1 & 0 & 1 \
mathbf 1 & mathbf 1 & 1
endbmatrix.
$$

But what is the maximal number of ones for matrix $rtimes c$?










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We consider a matrix $beginbmatrixa_i,jendbmatrix$ with $r$ rows and $c$ columns. We fill this matrix only with zeros and ones.



How many ones (maximally!) we can write into the matrix $rtimes c$ to not have any rectangle with ones at its vertices? Formally:
$$
forall_i_1,i_2in1,ldots,r forall_j_1,j_2in1,ldots,c big( (i_1neq i_2 wedge j_1neq j_2) Rightarrow 0ina_i_1,j_1,a_i_1,j_2, a_i_2,j_1, a_i_2,j_2 big).
$$



For example, for $3times 3$ matrix we can fill it with 6 ones:
$$
beginbmatrix
1 & 1 & 0 \
1 & 0 & 1 \
0 & 1 & 1
endbmatrix.
$$

But when we use 7 ones, then there always is a rectangle with ones at its vertices. For example:
$$beginbmatrix
mathbf 1 & mathbf 1 & 0 \
1 & 0 & 1 \
mathbf 1 & mathbf 1 & 1
endbmatrix.
$$

But what is the maximal number of ones for matrix $rtimes c$?







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  • $begingroup$
    A simple (and not entirely straightforward) argument gives 2(r+c) as a weak upper bound. I suspect the answer is closer to 2max(r,c). (Actually, a tweak gives the latter, which may still be weak.) Gerhard "And What Have You Tried" Paseman, 2019.08.09.
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  • $begingroup$
    A simple (and not entirely straightforward) argument gives 2(r+c) as a weak upper bound. I suspect the answer is closer to 2max(r,c). (Actually, a tweak gives the latter, which may still be weak.) Gerhard "And What Have You Tried" Paseman, 2019.08.09.
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$begingroup$
A simple (and not entirely straightforward) argument gives 2(r+c) as a weak upper bound. I suspect the answer is closer to 2max(r,c). (Actually, a tweak gives the latter, which may still be weak.) Gerhard "And What Have You Tried" Paseman, 2019.08.09.
$endgroup$
– Gerhard Paseman
8 hours ago





$begingroup$
A simple (and not entirely straightforward) argument gives 2(r+c) as a weak upper bound. I suspect the answer is closer to 2max(r,c). (Actually, a tweak gives the latter, which may still be weak.) Gerhard "And What Have You Tried" Paseman, 2019.08.09.
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It seems you just want to maximise the number of ones so that there is no
$$left[matrix1&1\1&1right]$$
as a not-necessarily-contiguous $2times 2$ submatrix.



Equivalently, how many edges can a bipartite graph with sides of size $r$ and $s$ have without having any 4-cycles?



This is the first non-trivial case of the Zarankiewicz problem.



The square case is A001197(n)-1.



There is a table of values and bounds in this paper. I have more exact values near the diagonal.






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For an $n times n$ matrix, you can get $3 (n-1)$ ones by putting them in all entries except $(1,1)$ of the first row, first column and main diagonal. That's optimal at least for $n le 5$.



But for $6 times 6$ the optimal solution has $16$ ones, e.g.



$$ left[ begin arraycccccc 0&1&1&1&0&0\ 0&1&0&0
&1&1\ 1&1&0&0&0&0\ 1&0&1&0&1&0
\ 1&0&0&1&0&1\ 0&0&0&1&1&0
end array right]
$$






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    It seems you just want to maximise the number of ones so that there is no
    $$left[matrix1&1\1&1right]$$
    as a not-necessarily-contiguous $2times 2$ submatrix.



    Equivalently, how many edges can a bipartite graph with sides of size $r$ and $s$ have without having any 4-cycles?



    This is the first non-trivial case of the Zarankiewicz problem.



    The square case is A001197(n)-1.



    There is a table of values and bounds in this paper. I have more exact values near the diagonal.






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      In particular, see OEIS sequences A191873 and A001197.
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      Also A072567.
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    $begingroup$

    It seems you just want to maximise the number of ones so that there is no
    $$left[matrix1&1\1&1right]$$
    as a not-necessarily-contiguous $2times 2$ submatrix.



    Equivalently, how many edges can a bipartite graph with sides of size $r$ and $s$ have without having any 4-cycles?



    This is the first non-trivial case of the Zarankiewicz problem.



    The square case is A001197(n)-1.



    There is a table of values and bounds in this paper. I have more exact values near the diagonal.






    share|cite|improve this answer











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      In particular, see OEIS sequences A191873 and A001197.
      $endgroup$
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      Also A072567.
      $endgroup$
      – Rob Pratt
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    $begingroup$

    It seems you just want to maximise the number of ones so that there is no
    $$left[matrix1&1\1&1right]$$
    as a not-necessarily-contiguous $2times 2$ submatrix.



    Equivalently, how many edges can a bipartite graph with sides of size $r$ and $s$ have without having any 4-cycles?



    This is the first non-trivial case of the Zarankiewicz problem.



    The square case is A001197(n)-1.



    There is a table of values and bounds in this paper. I have more exact values near the diagonal.






    share|cite|improve this answer











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    It seems you just want to maximise the number of ones so that there is no
    $$left[matrix1&1\1&1right]$$
    as a not-necessarily-contiguous $2times 2$ submatrix.



    Equivalently, how many edges can a bipartite graph with sides of size $r$ and $s$ have without having any 4-cycles?



    This is the first non-trivial case of the Zarankiewicz problem.



    The square case is A001197(n)-1.



    There is a table of values and bounds in this paper. I have more exact values near the diagonal.







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    • $begingroup$
      In particular, see OEIS sequences A191873 and A001197.
      $endgroup$
      – Robert Israel
      8 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Also A072567.
      $endgroup$
      – Rob Pratt
      7 hours ago

















    • $begingroup$
      In particular, see OEIS sequences A191873 and A001197.
      $endgroup$
      – Robert Israel
      8 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Also A072567.
      $endgroup$
      – Rob Pratt
      7 hours ago
















    $begingroup$
    In particular, see OEIS sequences A191873 and A001197.
    $endgroup$
    – Robert Israel
    8 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    In particular, see OEIS sequences A191873 and A001197.
    $endgroup$
    – Robert Israel
    8 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    Also A072567.
    $endgroup$
    – Rob Pratt
    7 hours ago





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    Also A072567.
    $endgroup$
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    For an $n times n$ matrix, you can get $3 (n-1)$ ones by putting them in all entries except $(1,1)$ of the first row, first column and main diagonal. That's optimal at least for $n le 5$.



    But for $6 times 6$ the optimal solution has $16$ ones, e.g.



    $$ left[ begin arraycccccc 0&1&1&1&0&0\ 0&1&0&0
    &1&1\ 1&1&0&0&0&0\ 1&0&1&0&1&0
    \ 1&0&0&1&0&1\ 0&0&0&1&1&0
    end array right]
    $$






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      For an $n times n$ matrix, you can get $3 (n-1)$ ones by putting them in all entries except $(1,1)$ of the first row, first column and main diagonal. That's optimal at least for $n le 5$.



      But for $6 times 6$ the optimal solution has $16$ ones, e.g.



      $$ left[ begin arraycccccc 0&1&1&1&0&0\ 0&1&0&0
      &1&1\ 1&1&0&0&0&0\ 1&0&1&0&1&0
      \ 1&0&0&1&0&1\ 0&0&0&1&1&0
      end array right]
      $$






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        For an $n times n$ matrix, you can get $3 (n-1)$ ones by putting them in all entries except $(1,1)$ of the first row, first column and main diagonal. That's optimal at least for $n le 5$.



        But for $6 times 6$ the optimal solution has $16$ ones, e.g.



        $$ left[ begin arraycccccc 0&1&1&1&0&0\ 0&1&0&0
        &1&1\ 1&1&0&0&0&0\ 1&0&1&0&1&0
        \ 1&0&0&1&0&1\ 0&0&0&1&1&0
        end array right]
        $$






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        For an $n times n$ matrix, you can get $3 (n-1)$ ones by putting them in all entries except $(1,1)$ of the first row, first column and main diagonal. That's optimal at least for $n le 5$.



        But for $6 times 6$ the optimal solution has $16$ ones, e.g.



        $$ left[ begin arraycccccc 0&1&1&1&0&0\ 0&1&0&0
        &1&1\ 1&1&0&0&0&0\ 1&0&1&0&1&0
        \ 1&0&0&1&0&1\ 0&0&0&1&1&0
        end array right]
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