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How can you evade tax by getting employment income just in equity, then using this equity as collateral to take out loan?
Can you claim being a care giver against income tax in Canada?If I take a loss when I sell my car, can I claim a capital loss deduction on my income tax return?
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I don't get this tax evasion scheme. Can someone explain it? I'm from Toronto, Canada. I don't know if the author had in mind US taxes.
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The smart tax evaders do it the slimy smart way. Get paid from work in (1.) equity, use said equity as (2.) collateral to take out a loan for an identical amount, then (3.) never worry about paying it out because your collateral is equal. (4.) You don't have to pay income tax on the loan, they don't pay it on collateral, everyone wins except the government and the common folk. I guess I should say everyone loses except the two parties.
What does "equity" mean here? The quote beneath says "Also get paid in stocks." Thus I don't think "equity" means stocks here...why wrote "Also" if it did mean "stock"?
Does "collateral" mean buying stock on margin?
Why "never worry about paying it out because your collateral is equal"? What if your stock price drops, and broker margin-calls you?
The tax evader wants capital gain, thus don't they have to pay capital gains tax?
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Get paid from work in equity,
Also get paid in stocks. The tax rates are way less then earned income..and they are talking about lowering it.
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I don't get this tax evasion scheme. Can someone explain it? I'm from Toronto, Canada. I don't know if the author had in mind US taxes.
Jargo comments on Deutsche Bank and Wall Street banks reportedly just gave Congress thousands of documents related to Russians with possible ties to Trump
The smart tax evaders do it the slimy smart way. Get paid from work in (1.) equity, use said equity as (2.) collateral to take out a loan for an identical amount, then (3.) never worry about paying it out because your collateral is equal. (4.) You don't have to pay income tax on the loan, they don't pay it on collateral, everyone wins except the government and the common folk. I guess I should say everyone loses except the two parties.
What does "equity" mean here? The quote beneath says "Also get paid in stocks." Thus I don't think "equity" means stocks here...why wrote "Also" if it did mean "stock"?
Does "collateral" mean buying stock on margin?
Why "never worry about paying it out because your collateral is equal"? What if your stock price drops, and broker margin-calls you?
The tax evader wants capital gain, thus don't they have to pay capital gains tax?
notcrappyofexplainer
comments on Deutsche Bank and Wall Street banks reportedly just gave Congress thousands of documents related to Russians with possible ties to Trump
Get paid from work in equity,
Also get paid in stocks. The tax rates are way less then earned income..and they are talking about lowering it.
canada
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Well, You're asking to interpret a comment on Reddit, so there's absolutely no reason to think that the comment is either factually correct or even logical.
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I don't get this tax evasion scheme. Can someone explain it? I'm from Toronto, Canada. I don't know if the author had in mind US taxes.
Jargo comments on Deutsche Bank and Wall Street banks reportedly just gave Congress thousands of documents related to Russians with possible ties to Trump
The smart tax evaders do it the slimy smart way. Get paid from work in (1.) equity, use said equity as (2.) collateral to take out a loan for an identical amount, then (3.) never worry about paying it out because your collateral is equal. (4.) You don't have to pay income tax on the loan, they don't pay it on collateral, everyone wins except the government and the common folk. I guess I should say everyone loses except the two parties.
What does "equity" mean here? The quote beneath says "Also get paid in stocks." Thus I don't think "equity" means stocks here...why wrote "Also" if it did mean "stock"?
Does "collateral" mean buying stock on margin?
Why "never worry about paying it out because your collateral is equal"? What if your stock price drops, and broker margin-calls you?
The tax evader wants capital gain, thus don't they have to pay capital gains tax?
notcrappyofexplainer
comments on Deutsche Bank and Wall Street banks reportedly just gave Congress thousands of documents related to Russians with possible ties to Trump
Get paid from work in equity,
Also get paid in stocks. The tax rates are way less then earned income..and they are talking about lowering it.
canada
asked 10 hours ago
Tamara MilanovicTamara Milanovic
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I don't get this tax evasion scheme. Can someone explain it? I'm from Toronto, Canada. I don't know if the author had in mind US taxes.
Jargo comments on Deutsche Bank and Wall Street banks reportedly just gave Congress thousands of documents related to Russians with possible ties to Trump
The smart tax evaders do it the slimy smart way. Get paid from work in (1.) equity, use said equity as (2.) collateral to take out a loan for an identical amount, then (3.) never worry about paying it out because your collateral is equal. (4.) You don't have to pay income tax on the loan, they don't pay it on collateral, everyone wins except the government and the common folk. I guess I should say everyone loses except the two parties.
What does "equity" mean here? The quote beneath says "Also get paid in stocks." Thus I don't think "equity" means stocks here...why wrote "Also" if it did mean "stock"?
Does "collateral" mean buying stock on margin?
Why "never worry about paying it out because your collateral is equal"? What if your stock price drops, and broker margin-calls you?
The tax evader wants capital gain, thus don't they have to pay capital gains tax?
notcrappyofexplainer
comments on Deutsche Bank and Wall Street banks reportedly just gave Congress thousands of documents related to Russians with possible ties to Trump
Get paid from work in equity,
Also get paid in stocks. The tax rates are way less then earned income..and they are talking about lowering it.
canada
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Essentially you have two people pretending to understand something and writing enough that it feels like it makes sense. The whole idea falls apart when you realize that equity grants are taxable. Get paid $100,000 in stock, you owe income tax on $100,000 of income even though you didn't actually receive $100,000. People do this because they think the stock may be worth $100,000,000 in some number of years. Sometimes they'll take a loan also to have some spending money, but either way, they declare $100,000 of income and pay the appropriate amount of taxes.
What a number of CEOs are somewhat known for doing is putting up their stock against a loan because the stock has appreciated A LOT and they'd rather not sell it right now. There was a time that Amazon stock was only worth a few dollars. Do you have $100,000,000 of stock but you don't want to sell any because the sale would incur a capital gain tax and reduce your voting rights and you think the stock is still going up? One solution is you take out a loan for $1,000,000 putting your stock up as collateral. You get your $1,000,000 of liquidity, you'll owe interest on the loan, and you'll have to pay it back with taxed income.
If you get paid $1,000 in cash you received $1,000 in income. The person who wrote that answer thinks simply agreeing to accept a box of Yugioh cards and a $1,000 loan means you didn't actually get paid; they're wrong. The follow-on uninformed person also seems to think equity and stocks are different things, they're not.
Admittedly, deferred compensation is complicated, too complicated to explain in an answer here. But, rest assured, $1,000 of cash and $1,000 of stock and $1,000 of bottle caps are all $1,000 of income as far as tax authorities are concerned; even if you're a blood sucking billionaire.
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Essentially you have two people pretending to understand something and writing enough that it feels like it makes sense. The whole idea falls apart when you realize that equity grants are taxable. Get paid $100,000 in stock, you owe income tax on $100,000 of income even though you didn't actually receive $100,000. People do this because they think the stock may be worth $100,000,000 in some number of years. Sometimes they'll take a loan also to have some spending money, but either way, they declare $100,000 of income and pay the appropriate amount of taxes.
What a number of CEOs are somewhat known for doing is putting up their stock against a loan because the stock has appreciated A LOT and they'd rather not sell it right now. There was a time that Amazon stock was only worth a few dollars. Do you have $100,000,000 of stock but you don't want to sell any because the sale would incur a capital gain tax and reduce your voting rights and you think the stock is still going up? One solution is you take out a loan for $1,000,000 putting your stock up as collateral. You get your $1,000,000 of liquidity, you'll owe interest on the loan, and you'll have to pay it back with taxed income.
If you get paid $1,000 in cash you received $1,000 in income. The person who wrote that answer thinks simply agreeing to accept a box of Yugioh cards and a $1,000 loan means you didn't actually get paid; they're wrong. The follow-on uninformed person also seems to think equity and stocks are different things, they're not.
Admittedly, deferred compensation is complicated, too complicated to explain in an answer here. But, rest assured, $1,000 of cash and $1,000 of stock and $1,000 of bottle caps are all $1,000 of income as far as tax authorities are concerned; even if you're a blood sucking billionaire.
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Essentially you have two people pretending to understand something and writing enough that it feels like it makes sense. The whole idea falls apart when you realize that equity grants are taxable. Get paid $100,000 in stock, you owe income tax on $100,000 of income even though you didn't actually receive $100,000. People do this because they think the stock may be worth $100,000,000 in some number of years. Sometimes they'll take a loan also to have some spending money, but either way, they declare $100,000 of income and pay the appropriate amount of taxes.
What a number of CEOs are somewhat known for doing is putting up their stock against a loan because the stock has appreciated A LOT and they'd rather not sell it right now. There was a time that Amazon stock was only worth a few dollars. Do you have $100,000,000 of stock but you don't want to sell any because the sale would incur a capital gain tax and reduce your voting rights and you think the stock is still going up? One solution is you take out a loan for $1,000,000 putting your stock up as collateral. You get your $1,000,000 of liquidity, you'll owe interest on the loan, and you'll have to pay it back with taxed income.
If you get paid $1,000 in cash you received $1,000 in income. The person who wrote that answer thinks simply agreeing to accept a box of Yugioh cards and a $1,000 loan means you didn't actually get paid; they're wrong. The follow-on uninformed person also seems to think equity and stocks are different things, they're not.
Admittedly, deferred compensation is complicated, too complicated to explain in an answer here. But, rest assured, $1,000 of cash and $1,000 of stock and $1,000 of bottle caps are all $1,000 of income as far as tax authorities are concerned; even if you're a blood sucking billionaire.
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Essentially you have two people pretending to understand something and writing enough that it feels like it makes sense. The whole idea falls apart when you realize that equity grants are taxable. Get paid $100,000 in stock, you owe income tax on $100,000 of income even though you didn't actually receive $100,000. People do this because they think the stock may be worth $100,000,000 in some number of years. Sometimes they'll take a loan also to have some spending money, but either way, they declare $100,000 of income and pay the appropriate amount of taxes.
What a number of CEOs are somewhat known for doing is putting up their stock against a loan because the stock has appreciated A LOT and they'd rather not sell it right now. There was a time that Amazon stock was only worth a few dollars. Do you have $100,000,000 of stock but you don't want to sell any because the sale would incur a capital gain tax and reduce your voting rights and you think the stock is still going up? One solution is you take out a loan for $1,000,000 putting your stock up as collateral. You get your $1,000,000 of liquidity, you'll owe interest on the loan, and you'll have to pay it back with taxed income.
If you get paid $1,000 in cash you received $1,000 in income. The person who wrote that answer thinks simply agreeing to accept a box of Yugioh cards and a $1,000 loan means you didn't actually get paid; they're wrong. The follow-on uninformed person also seems to think equity and stocks are different things, they're not.
Admittedly, deferred compensation is complicated, too complicated to explain in an answer here. But, rest assured, $1,000 of cash and $1,000 of stock and $1,000 of bottle caps are all $1,000 of income as far as tax authorities are concerned; even if you're a blood sucking billionaire.
answered 9 hours ago
quidquid
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Essentially you have two people pretending to understand something and writing enough that it feels like it makes sense. The whole idea falls apart when you realize that equity grants are taxable. Get paid $100,000 in stock, you owe income tax on $100,000 of income even though you didn't actually receive $100,000. People do this because they think the stock may be worth $100,000,000 in some number of years. Sometimes they'll take a loan also to have some spending money, but either way, they declare $100,000 of income and pay the appropriate amount of taxes.
What a number of CEOs are somewhat known for doing is putting up their stock against a loan because the stock has appreciated A LOT and they'd rather not sell it right now. There was a time that Amazon stock was only worth a few dollars. Do you have $100,000,000 of stock but you don't want to sell any because the sale would incur a capital gain tax and reduce your voting rights and you think the stock is still going up? One solution is you take out a loan for $1,000,000 putting your stock up as collateral. You get your $1,000,000 of liquidity, you'll owe interest on the loan, and you'll have to pay it back with taxed income.
If you get paid $1,000 in cash you received $1,000 in income. The person who wrote that answer thinks simply agreeing to accept a box of Yugioh cards and a $1,000 loan means you didn't actually get paid; they're wrong. The follow-on uninformed person also seems to think equity and stocks are different things, they're not.
Admittedly, deferred compensation is complicated, too complicated to explain in an answer here. But, rest assured, $1,000 of cash and $1,000 of stock and $1,000 of bottle caps are all $1,000 of income as far as tax authorities are concerned; even if you're a blood sucking billionaire.
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