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1955 AHMSE Problem 20 asks when $sqrt25 - t^2 + 5 =0.$
I know square root of real numbers cannot be negative. So t cannot be real.
But I don't know whether imaginary numbers' square root can be negative or not. I think square roots can never be negative. Also, I don't think we can classify imaginary numbers as positive or negative.
Can square roots of imaginary numbers be negative?
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1955 AHMSE Problem 20 asks when $sqrt25 - t^2 + 5 =0.$
I know square root of real numbers cannot be negative. So t cannot be real.
But I don't know whether imaginary numbers' square root can be negative or not. I think square roots can never be negative. Also, I don't think we can classify imaginary numbers as positive or negative.
Can square roots of imaginary numbers be negative?
complex-numbers
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You are right that imaginary numbers cannot be classified as positives or negatives. As for your other questions, have you looked into a pre calculus book lately?
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Imaginary numbers are quite simple to understand. Just let $i$ be a number such that $i^2=-1$ and operate with them is a normal fashion (for instance: $(3+4i) + (1+2i) = 4+6i$; similarly, $(3+4i) cdot (1+2i) = 3+4i+6i+8i^2=3-8+10i=-5+10i$
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@calicus Imoved my comment to answer. Positive only is a convention, not a mathematical truth.
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It is true that $x^2=25⇒x_1,2=±5$. But $25$ is just $sqrt5$
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I agree with callculus, apart from the typo
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1955 AHMSE Problem 20 asks when $sqrt25 - t^2 + 5 =0.$
I know square root of real numbers cannot be negative. So t cannot be real.
But I don't know whether imaginary numbers' square root can be negative or not. I think square roots can never be negative. Also, I don't think we can classify imaginary numbers as positive or negative.
Can square roots of imaginary numbers be negative?
complex-numbers
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1955 AHMSE Problem 20 asks when $sqrt25 - t^2 + 5 =0.$
I know square root of real numbers cannot be negative. So t cannot be real.
But I don't know whether imaginary numbers' square root can be negative or not. I think square roots can never be negative. Also, I don't think we can classify imaginary numbers as positive or negative.
Can square roots of imaginary numbers be negative?
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You are right that imaginary numbers cannot be classified as positives or negatives. As for your other questions, have you looked into a pre calculus book lately?
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Imaginary numbers are quite simple to understand. Just let $i$ be a number such that $i^2=-1$ and operate with them is a normal fashion (for instance: $(3+4i) + (1+2i) = 4+6i$; similarly, $(3+4i) cdot (1+2i) = 3+4i+6i+8i^2=3-8+10i=-5+10i$
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@calicus Imoved my comment to answer. Positive only is a convention, not a mathematical truth.
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It is true that $x^2=25⇒x_1,2=±5$. But $25$ is just $sqrt5$
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I agree with callculus, apart from the typo
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You are right that imaginary numbers cannot be classified as positives or negatives. As for your other questions, have you looked into a pre calculus book lately?
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– imranfat
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Imaginary numbers are quite simple to understand. Just let $i$ be a number such that $i^2=-1$ and operate with them is a normal fashion (for instance: $(3+4i) + (1+2i) = 4+6i$; similarly, $(3+4i) cdot (1+2i) = 3+4i+6i+8i^2=3-8+10i=-5+10i$
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@calicus Imoved my comment to answer. Positive only is a convention, not a mathematical truth.
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It is true that $x^2=25⇒x_1,2=±5$. But $25$ is just $sqrt5$
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I agree with callculus, apart from the typo
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You are right that imaginary numbers cannot be classified as positives or negatives. As for your other questions, have you looked into a pre calculus book lately?
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– imranfat
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You are right that imaginary numbers cannot be classified as positives or negatives. As for your other questions, have you looked into a pre calculus book lately?
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– imranfat
8 hours ago
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Imaginary numbers are quite simple to understand. Just let $i$ be a number such that $i^2=-1$ and operate with them is a normal fashion (for instance: $(3+4i) + (1+2i) = 4+6i$; similarly, $(3+4i) cdot (1+2i) = 3+4i+6i+8i^2=3-8+10i=-5+10i$
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– David
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Imaginary numbers are quite simple to understand. Just let $i$ be a number such that $i^2=-1$ and operate with them is a normal fashion (for instance: $(3+4i) + (1+2i) = 4+6i$; similarly, $(3+4i) cdot (1+2i) = 3+4i+6i+8i^2=3-8+10i=-5+10i$
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@calicus Imoved my comment to answer. Positive only is a convention, not a mathematical truth.
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– herb steinberg
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@calicus Imoved my comment to answer. Positive only is a convention, not a mathematical truth.
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It is true that $x^2=25⇒x_1,2=±5$. But $25$ is just $sqrt5$
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It is true that $x^2=25⇒x_1,2=±5$. But $25$ is just $sqrt5$
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I agree with callculus, apart from the typo
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I agree with callculus, apart from the typo
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We get from your equation $$sqrt25-t^2=-5$$ since $$sqrt25-t^2geq 0$$ for $$25-t^2geq 0$$ so we get no solution.
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The first assumption is not correct. You can begin with $ngt 0$ but $sqrtn^2=pm n$.
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– poetasis
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It is $$sqrtx^2=|x|geq 0$$ so you are not correct!
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
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@Dr.SonnhardGraubner I agree to you.
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@Dr. Sonnhard Graubner I have found situations I cannot remember where $sqrtn^2=pm n$ yields the right answer only by taking the negative of the square root.
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Read carefully the first paragraph of what wikipedia has to say about square roots, noting the difference between the definitions of "square root" and "principal square root":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root
$sqrtx $ doesn't mean "square root of x". $sqrtx $ means, by definition, $mathitthe principal square root $ of x, which means, $mathitthe square root of x with positive real part $ . Note that this definition can be applied to complex numbers also, e.g. for the following A-Level question:
if we did not require the principal square root to have a positive real part, then the answer would be: Solutions are 7-3i and -7+3i, whereas given the definition of principal square root, which is standard convention, we must throw away -7+3i, but keep 7-3i as a solution.
4 and −4 are square roots of 16.
However, $sqrt16 = 4$, $mathitnot pm 4$.
For further evidence in favour of my understanding of the conventional meaning of $sqrt $, In Rudin's PMA, Theorem 1.21 states:
For every real $x > 0$ and every integer $n > 0$ there is one and only one real y such that $y^n = x$. The number y is written $sqrt[n]x $ or $ x^1/n$.
Going back to the original questions,
"I know square root of real numbers cannot be negative. So t cannot be real."
I agree.
"But I don't know whether imaginary numbers' square root can be negative or not."
All complex numbers have two square roots (though they may be repeats). An imaginary number like $9i$ will be have two complex square roots. This is true for complex numbers also- they too have two complex square roots.
I actually think what you meant to ask here was, "can we square root a $mathitnegative$ number?" In the complex realm, yes, but we have to be careful if we are calculating the principal square root and are using the $sqrt $ sign. see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_unit#Proper_use
for why and when we have to be careful.
-4 has two complex square roots, namely $2i$ and $-2i$. Since the real part of both of these square roots is 0, either both or neither are considered principal square roots, depending on if you define the principal square root to be non-negative or strictly positive. To be honest I'm not sure, but if I had to guess, I would say they are both principal square roots of -4. I'm open to clarification on this point though.
If you ask if a number is negative, then in this context you are implicitly implying the number is real and negative, or integer and negative etc, because only real/integer/etc numbers can be negative. Complex numbers with imaginary part not equal to 0 cannot be negative in and of themselves, however, their $mathit real / imaginary parts $ can be negative.
"I think square roots can never be negative."
Square roots of real numbers can be negative. -4 is a square root of 16. But remember: $sqrtx$ means the $mathitprincipal$ square root of x, not just the square root of x. You would be correct to say, "the principal square root of a real number cannot be negative"
"Also, I don't think we can classify imaginary numbers as positive or negative."
Correct. But like I said you $mathitcan$ talk about their $mathit real / imaginary parts $
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I don't get where the claim of "one and only one real $y$" comes from. Just take $x=4$, $n=2$, and $2^2=(-2)^2=4$, with $y=pm2$. Did you perhaps mean "one and only one real $y>0$"?
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Let's begin with $sqrt25+t^2+5=0implies sqrt25+t^2=-5.$ If we square both sides, we get $25+t^2=25implies t^2=25-25=0implies t=0.$ Zero is real so $t$ is real.
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'squaring' is not an equivalent term transformation.
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However you figure it, the only value of $t$ that works is zero and zero is real. No other values under the radical will give you $pm 5$.
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This issue here seems to be some people believe $sqrt25 = 5$ by definition, whereas others say $sqrt25 = pm 5$, i.e. +5 or -5. Going by Rudin's PMA and wikipedia, the former seems to be the accepted convention/definition.
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@AdamRubinson In general the value of the number $sqrta$ has to be unique, otherwise we would run into a chaos.
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@poetasis See this wiki article
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Did someone read the original question? Since
$$sqrt25-t^2=-5Rightarrow 25-t^2=25iff t=0$$
and zero is no solution to the original equation, option (a) is the right answer.
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All numbers have two square roots. By convention the positive square root is assumed to be the square root for positive reals. However in your example $t=0$ is O.K., since $sqrt25=pm 5$.
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I don't get it. In your first sentence you basically say $sqrt25=5.$ In your second sentence you say $sqrt25=pm5.$ Which is it?
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– Adam Rubinson
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The distinction is between convention $sqrt25=5$ and reality $sqrt25=pm5$.
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You can use the third binomial formula to see that $t=0$ is no solution.
$$sqrt25 - t^2 + 5 =0$$
$$sqrt25 - t^2 =- 5 $$
$$sqrt5 - tcdot sqrt5+t =- 5 $$
$$sqrt5cdot sqrt5 =- 5 $$
$$5 =- 5 qquad colorredtimes$$
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"third binomial formula"? What is that supposed to be? Even if I guess it is the difference-of-squares formula, what's the point of using it? You could just substitute $0$ in at the beginning and skip from line 1 to line 4.
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I just wanted to make clear that $t=0$ is no solution. That´s the way I´ve chosen.
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I know, I'm just pointing out you included an unnecessarily complicated step when doing that. Unless you have some qualms about what $25-0^2$ is or something.
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But it doesn´t seem so clear that $t=0$ is no solution if you look at the comments and answers here.
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I think we're both very clear on all the other comments and questions, but it seems as if you didn't read the first comment in this thread at all... ;) I didn't say anything was wrong with your choice of strategy, I'm just saying you added complication that isn't necessary.
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We get from your equation $$sqrt25-t^2=-5$$ since $$sqrt25-t^2geq 0$$ for $$25-t^2geq 0$$ so we get no solution.
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The first assumption is not correct. You can begin with $ngt 0$ but $sqrtn^2=pm n$.
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– poetasis
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It is $$sqrtx^2=|x|geq 0$$ so you are not correct!
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@Dr.SonnhardGraubner I agree to you.
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@Dr. Sonnhard Graubner I have found situations I cannot remember where $sqrtn^2=pm n$ yields the right answer only by taking the negative of the square root.
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We get from your equation $$sqrt25-t^2=-5$$ since $$sqrt25-t^2geq 0$$ for $$25-t^2geq 0$$ so we get no solution.
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The first assumption is not correct. You can begin with $ngt 0$ but $sqrtn^2=pm n$.
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– poetasis
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It is $$sqrtx^2=|x|geq 0$$ so you are not correct!
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@Dr.SonnhardGraubner I agree to you.
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@Dr. Sonnhard Graubner I have found situations I cannot remember where $sqrtn^2=pm n$ yields the right answer only by taking the negative of the square root.
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We get from your equation $$sqrt25-t^2=-5$$ since $$sqrt25-t^2geq 0$$ for $$25-t^2geq 0$$ so we get no solution.
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We get from your equation $$sqrt25-t^2=-5$$ since $$sqrt25-t^2geq 0$$ for $$25-t^2geq 0$$ so we get no solution.
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The first assumption is not correct. You can begin with $ngt 0$ but $sqrtn^2=pm n$.
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– poetasis
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It is $$sqrtx^2=|x|geq 0$$ so you are not correct!
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@Dr.SonnhardGraubner I agree to you.
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@Dr. Sonnhard Graubner I have found situations I cannot remember where $sqrtn^2=pm n$ yields the right answer only by taking the negative of the square root.
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The first assumption is not correct. You can begin with $ngt 0$ but $sqrtn^2=pm n$.
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– poetasis
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It is $$sqrtx^2=|x|geq 0$$ so you are not correct!
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
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@Dr.SonnhardGraubner I agree to you.
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@Dr. Sonnhard Graubner I have found situations I cannot remember where $sqrtn^2=pm n$ yields the right answer only by taking the negative of the square root.
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– poetasis
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The first assumption is not correct. You can begin with $ngt 0$ but $sqrtn^2=pm n$.
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– poetasis
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The first assumption is not correct. You can begin with $ngt 0$ but $sqrtn^2=pm n$.
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– poetasis
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It is $$sqrtx^2=|x|geq 0$$ so you are not correct!
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– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
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It is $$sqrtx^2=|x|geq 0$$ so you are not correct!
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@Dr.SonnhardGraubner I agree to you.
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@Dr.SonnhardGraubner I agree to you.
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@Dr. Sonnhard Graubner I have found situations I cannot remember where $sqrtn^2=pm n$ yields the right answer only by taking the negative of the square root.
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– poetasis
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@Dr. Sonnhard Graubner I have found situations I cannot remember where $sqrtn^2=pm n$ yields the right answer only by taking the negative of the square root.
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Read carefully the first paragraph of what wikipedia has to say about square roots, noting the difference between the definitions of "square root" and "principal square root":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root
$sqrtx $ doesn't mean "square root of x". $sqrtx $ means, by definition, $mathitthe principal square root $ of x, which means, $mathitthe square root of x with positive real part $ . Note that this definition can be applied to complex numbers also, e.g. for the following A-Level question:
if we did not require the principal square root to have a positive real part, then the answer would be: Solutions are 7-3i and -7+3i, whereas given the definition of principal square root, which is standard convention, we must throw away -7+3i, but keep 7-3i as a solution.
4 and −4 are square roots of 16.
However, $sqrt16 = 4$, $mathitnot pm 4$.
For further evidence in favour of my understanding of the conventional meaning of $sqrt $, In Rudin's PMA, Theorem 1.21 states:
For every real $x > 0$ and every integer $n > 0$ there is one and only one real y such that $y^n = x$. The number y is written $sqrt[n]x $ or $ x^1/n$.
Going back to the original questions,
"I know square root of real numbers cannot be negative. So t cannot be real."
I agree.
"But I don't know whether imaginary numbers' square root can be negative or not."
All complex numbers have two square roots (though they may be repeats). An imaginary number like $9i$ will be have two complex square roots. This is true for complex numbers also- they too have two complex square roots.
I actually think what you meant to ask here was, "can we square root a $mathitnegative$ number?" In the complex realm, yes, but we have to be careful if we are calculating the principal square root and are using the $sqrt $ sign. see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_unit#Proper_use
for why and when we have to be careful.
-4 has two complex square roots, namely $2i$ and $-2i$. Since the real part of both of these square roots is 0, either both or neither are considered principal square roots, depending on if you define the principal square root to be non-negative or strictly positive. To be honest I'm not sure, but if I had to guess, I would say they are both principal square roots of -4. I'm open to clarification on this point though.
If you ask if a number is negative, then in this context you are implicitly implying the number is real and negative, or integer and negative etc, because only real/integer/etc numbers can be negative. Complex numbers with imaginary part not equal to 0 cannot be negative in and of themselves, however, their $mathit real / imaginary parts $ can be negative.
"I think square roots can never be negative."
Square roots of real numbers can be negative. -4 is a square root of 16. But remember: $sqrtx$ means the $mathitprincipal$ square root of x, not just the square root of x. You would be correct to say, "the principal square root of a real number cannot be negative"
"Also, I don't think we can classify imaginary numbers as positive or negative."
Correct. But like I said you $mathitcan$ talk about their $mathit real / imaginary parts $
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I don't get where the claim of "one and only one real $y$" comes from. Just take $x=4$, $n=2$, and $2^2=(-2)^2=4$, with $y=pm2$. Did you perhaps mean "one and only one real $y>0$"?
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Read carefully the first paragraph of what wikipedia has to say about square roots, noting the difference between the definitions of "square root" and "principal square root":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root
$sqrtx $ doesn't mean "square root of x". $sqrtx $ means, by definition, $mathitthe principal square root $ of x, which means, $mathitthe square root of x with positive real part $ . Note that this definition can be applied to complex numbers also, e.g. for the following A-Level question:
if we did not require the principal square root to have a positive real part, then the answer would be: Solutions are 7-3i and -7+3i, whereas given the definition of principal square root, which is standard convention, we must throw away -7+3i, but keep 7-3i as a solution.
4 and −4 are square roots of 16.
However, $sqrt16 = 4$, $mathitnot pm 4$.
For further evidence in favour of my understanding of the conventional meaning of $sqrt $, In Rudin's PMA, Theorem 1.21 states:
For every real $x > 0$ and every integer $n > 0$ there is one and only one real y such that $y^n = x$. The number y is written $sqrt[n]x $ or $ x^1/n$.
Going back to the original questions,
"I know square root of real numbers cannot be negative. So t cannot be real."
I agree.
"But I don't know whether imaginary numbers' square root can be negative or not."
All complex numbers have two square roots (though they may be repeats). An imaginary number like $9i$ will be have two complex square roots. This is true for complex numbers also- they too have two complex square roots.
I actually think what you meant to ask here was, "can we square root a $mathitnegative$ number?" In the complex realm, yes, but we have to be careful if we are calculating the principal square root and are using the $sqrt $ sign. see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_unit#Proper_use
for why and when we have to be careful.
-4 has two complex square roots, namely $2i$ and $-2i$. Since the real part of both of these square roots is 0, either both or neither are considered principal square roots, depending on if you define the principal square root to be non-negative or strictly positive. To be honest I'm not sure, but if I had to guess, I would say they are both principal square roots of -4. I'm open to clarification on this point though.
If you ask if a number is negative, then in this context you are implicitly implying the number is real and negative, or integer and negative etc, because only real/integer/etc numbers can be negative. Complex numbers with imaginary part not equal to 0 cannot be negative in and of themselves, however, their $mathit real / imaginary parts $ can be negative.
"I think square roots can never be negative."
Square roots of real numbers can be negative. -4 is a square root of 16. But remember: $sqrtx$ means the $mathitprincipal$ square root of x, not just the square root of x. You would be correct to say, "the principal square root of a real number cannot be negative"
"Also, I don't think we can classify imaginary numbers as positive or negative."
Correct. But like I said you $mathitcan$ talk about their $mathit real / imaginary parts $
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I don't get where the claim of "one and only one real $y$" comes from. Just take $x=4$, $n=2$, and $2^2=(-2)^2=4$, with $y=pm2$. Did you perhaps mean "one and only one real $y>0$"?
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Read carefully the first paragraph of what wikipedia has to say about square roots, noting the difference between the definitions of "square root" and "principal square root":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root
$sqrtx $ doesn't mean "square root of x". $sqrtx $ means, by definition, $mathitthe principal square root $ of x, which means, $mathitthe square root of x with positive real part $ . Note that this definition can be applied to complex numbers also, e.g. for the following A-Level question:
if we did not require the principal square root to have a positive real part, then the answer would be: Solutions are 7-3i and -7+3i, whereas given the definition of principal square root, which is standard convention, we must throw away -7+3i, but keep 7-3i as a solution.
4 and −4 are square roots of 16.
However, $sqrt16 = 4$, $mathitnot pm 4$.
For further evidence in favour of my understanding of the conventional meaning of $sqrt $, In Rudin's PMA, Theorem 1.21 states:
For every real $x > 0$ and every integer $n > 0$ there is one and only one real y such that $y^n = x$. The number y is written $sqrt[n]x $ or $ x^1/n$.
Going back to the original questions,
"I know square root of real numbers cannot be negative. So t cannot be real."
I agree.
"But I don't know whether imaginary numbers' square root can be negative or not."
All complex numbers have two square roots (though they may be repeats). An imaginary number like $9i$ will be have two complex square roots. This is true for complex numbers also- they too have two complex square roots.
I actually think what you meant to ask here was, "can we square root a $mathitnegative$ number?" In the complex realm, yes, but we have to be careful if we are calculating the principal square root and are using the $sqrt $ sign. see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_unit#Proper_use
for why and when we have to be careful.
-4 has two complex square roots, namely $2i$ and $-2i$. Since the real part of both of these square roots is 0, either both or neither are considered principal square roots, depending on if you define the principal square root to be non-negative or strictly positive. To be honest I'm not sure, but if I had to guess, I would say they are both principal square roots of -4. I'm open to clarification on this point though.
If you ask if a number is negative, then in this context you are implicitly implying the number is real and negative, or integer and negative etc, because only real/integer/etc numbers can be negative. Complex numbers with imaginary part not equal to 0 cannot be negative in and of themselves, however, their $mathit real / imaginary parts $ can be negative.
"I think square roots can never be negative."
Square roots of real numbers can be negative. -4 is a square root of 16. But remember: $sqrtx$ means the $mathitprincipal$ square root of x, not just the square root of x. You would be correct to say, "the principal square root of a real number cannot be negative"
"Also, I don't think we can classify imaginary numbers as positive or negative."
Correct. But like I said you $mathitcan$ talk about their $mathit real / imaginary parts $
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Read carefully the first paragraph of what wikipedia has to say about square roots, noting the difference between the definitions of "square root" and "principal square root":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_root
$sqrtx $ doesn't mean "square root of x". $sqrtx $ means, by definition, $mathitthe principal square root $ of x, which means, $mathitthe square root of x with positive real part $ . Note that this definition can be applied to complex numbers also, e.g. for the following A-Level question:
if we did not require the principal square root to have a positive real part, then the answer would be: Solutions are 7-3i and -7+3i, whereas given the definition of principal square root, which is standard convention, we must throw away -7+3i, but keep 7-3i as a solution.
4 and −4 are square roots of 16.
However, $sqrt16 = 4$, $mathitnot pm 4$.
For further evidence in favour of my understanding of the conventional meaning of $sqrt $, In Rudin's PMA, Theorem 1.21 states:
For every real $x > 0$ and every integer $n > 0$ there is one and only one real y such that $y^n = x$. The number y is written $sqrt[n]x $ or $ x^1/n$.
Going back to the original questions,
"I know square root of real numbers cannot be negative. So t cannot be real."
I agree.
"But I don't know whether imaginary numbers' square root can be negative or not."
All complex numbers have two square roots (though they may be repeats). An imaginary number like $9i$ will be have two complex square roots. This is true for complex numbers also- they too have two complex square roots.
I actually think what you meant to ask here was, "can we square root a $mathitnegative$ number?" In the complex realm, yes, but we have to be careful if we are calculating the principal square root and are using the $sqrt $ sign. see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_unit#Proper_use
for why and when we have to be careful.
-4 has two complex square roots, namely $2i$ and $-2i$. Since the real part of both of these square roots is 0, either both or neither are considered principal square roots, depending on if you define the principal square root to be non-negative or strictly positive. To be honest I'm not sure, but if I had to guess, I would say they are both principal square roots of -4. I'm open to clarification on this point though.
If you ask if a number is negative, then in this context you are implicitly implying the number is real and negative, or integer and negative etc, because only real/integer/etc numbers can be negative. Complex numbers with imaginary part not equal to 0 cannot be negative in and of themselves, however, their $mathit real / imaginary parts $ can be negative.
"I think square roots can never be negative."
Square roots of real numbers can be negative. -4 is a square root of 16. But remember: $sqrtx$ means the $mathitprincipal$ square root of x, not just the square root of x. You would be correct to say, "the principal square root of a real number cannot be negative"
"Also, I don't think we can classify imaginary numbers as positive or negative."
Correct. But like I said you $mathitcan$ talk about their $mathit real / imaginary parts $
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I don't get where the claim of "one and only one real $y$" comes from. Just take $x=4$, $n=2$, and $2^2=(-2)^2=4$, with $y=pm2$. Did you perhaps mean "one and only one real $y>0$"?
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I don't get where the claim of "one and only one real $y$" comes from. Just take $x=4$, $n=2$, and $2^2=(-2)^2=4$, with $y=pm2$. Did you perhaps mean "one and only one real $y>0$"?
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I don't get where the claim of "one and only one real $y$" comes from. Just take $x=4$, $n=2$, and $2^2=(-2)^2=4$, with $y=pm2$. Did you perhaps mean "one and only one real $y>0$"?
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I don't get where the claim of "one and only one real $y$" comes from. Just take $x=4$, $n=2$, and $2^2=(-2)^2=4$, with $y=pm2$. Did you perhaps mean "one and only one real $y>0$"?
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Let's begin with $sqrt25+t^2+5=0implies sqrt25+t^2=-5.$ If we square both sides, we get $25+t^2=25implies t^2=25-25=0implies t=0.$ Zero is real so $t$ is real.
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However you figure it, the only value of $t$ that works is zero and zero is real. No other values under the radical will give you $pm 5$.
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This issue here seems to be some people believe $sqrt25 = 5$ by definition, whereas others say $sqrt25 = pm 5$, i.e. +5 or -5. Going by Rudin's PMA and wikipedia, the former seems to be the accepted convention/definition.
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@AdamRubinson In general the value of the number $sqrta$ has to be unique, otherwise we would run into a chaos.
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@poetasis See this wiki article
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Let's begin with $sqrt25+t^2+5=0implies sqrt25+t^2=-5.$ If we square both sides, we get $25+t^2=25implies t^2=25-25=0implies t=0.$ Zero is real so $t$ is real.
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However you figure it, the only value of $t$ that works is zero and zero is real. No other values under the radical will give you $pm 5$.
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This issue here seems to be some people believe $sqrt25 = 5$ by definition, whereas others say $sqrt25 = pm 5$, i.e. +5 or -5. Going by Rudin's PMA and wikipedia, the former seems to be the accepted convention/definition.
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@AdamRubinson In general the value of the number $sqrta$ has to be unique, otherwise we would run into a chaos.
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@poetasis See this wiki article
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Let's begin with $sqrt25+t^2+5=0implies sqrt25+t^2=-5.$ If we square both sides, we get $25+t^2=25implies t^2=25-25=0implies t=0.$ Zero is real so $t$ is real.
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Let's begin with $sqrt25+t^2+5=0implies sqrt25+t^2=-5.$ If we square both sides, we get $25+t^2=25implies t^2=25-25=0implies t=0.$ Zero is real so $t$ is real.
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However you figure it, the only value of $t$ that works is zero and zero is real. No other values under the radical will give you $pm 5$.
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– poetasis
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This issue here seems to be some people believe $sqrt25 = 5$ by definition, whereas others say $sqrt25 = pm 5$, i.e. +5 or -5. Going by Rudin's PMA and wikipedia, the former seems to be the accepted convention/definition.
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– Adam Rubinson
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@AdamRubinson In general the value of the number $sqrta$ has to be unique, otherwise we would run into a chaos.
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@poetasis See this wiki article
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'squaring' is not an equivalent term transformation.
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However you figure it, the only value of $t$ that works is zero and zero is real. No other values under the radical will give you $pm 5$.
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– poetasis
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This issue here seems to be some people believe $sqrt25 = 5$ by definition, whereas others say $sqrt25 = pm 5$, i.e. +5 or -5. Going by Rudin's PMA and wikipedia, the former seems to be the accepted convention/definition.
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– Adam Rubinson
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@AdamRubinson In general the value of the number $sqrta$ has to be unique, otherwise we would run into a chaos.
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– callculus
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@poetasis See this wiki article
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'squaring' is not an equivalent term transformation.
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– callculus
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However you figure it, the only value of $t$ that works is zero and zero is real. No other values under the radical will give you $pm 5$.
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– poetasis
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However you figure it, the only value of $t$ that works is zero and zero is real. No other values under the radical will give you $pm 5$.
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– poetasis
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This issue here seems to be some people believe $sqrt25 = 5$ by definition, whereas others say $sqrt25 = pm 5$, i.e. +5 or -5. Going by Rudin's PMA and wikipedia, the former seems to be the accepted convention/definition.
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– Adam Rubinson
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This issue here seems to be some people believe $sqrt25 = 5$ by definition, whereas others say $sqrt25 = pm 5$, i.e. +5 or -5. Going by Rudin's PMA and wikipedia, the former seems to be the accepted convention/definition.
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– Adam Rubinson
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@AdamRubinson In general the value of the number $sqrta$ has to be unique, otherwise we would run into a chaos.
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– callculus
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@AdamRubinson In general the value of the number $sqrta$ has to be unique, otherwise we would run into a chaos.
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@poetasis See this wiki article
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Did someone read the original question? Since
$$sqrt25-t^2=-5Rightarrow 25-t^2=25iff t=0$$
and zero is no solution to the original equation, option (a) is the right answer.
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Did someone read the original question? Since
$$sqrt25-t^2=-5Rightarrow 25-t^2=25iff t=0$$
and zero is no solution to the original equation, option (a) is the right answer.
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Did someone read the original question? Since
$$sqrt25-t^2=-5Rightarrow 25-t^2=25iff t=0$$
and zero is no solution to the original equation, option (a) is the right answer.
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Did someone read the original question? Since
$$sqrt25-t^2=-5Rightarrow 25-t^2=25iff t=0$$
and zero is no solution to the original equation, option (a) is the right answer.
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All numbers have two square roots. By convention the positive square root is assumed to be the square root for positive reals. However in your example $t=0$ is O.K., since $sqrt25=pm 5$.
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I don't get it. In your first sentence you basically say $sqrt25=5.$ In your second sentence you say $sqrt25=pm5.$ Which is it?
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The distinction is between convention $sqrt25=5$ and reality $sqrt25=pm5$.
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All numbers have two square roots. By convention the positive square root is assumed to be the square root for positive reals. However in your example $t=0$ is O.K., since $sqrt25=pm 5$.
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I don't get it. In your first sentence you basically say $sqrt25=5.$ In your second sentence you say $sqrt25=pm5.$ Which is it?
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The distinction is between convention $sqrt25=5$ and reality $sqrt25=pm5$.
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All numbers have two square roots. By convention the positive square root is assumed to be the square root for positive reals. However in your example $t=0$ is O.K., since $sqrt25=pm 5$.
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All numbers have two square roots. By convention the positive square root is assumed to be the square root for positive reals. However in your example $t=0$ is O.K., since $sqrt25=pm 5$.
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I don't get it. In your first sentence you basically say $sqrt25=5.$ In your second sentence you say $sqrt25=pm5.$ Which is it?
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The distinction is between convention $sqrt25=5$ and reality $sqrt25=pm5$.
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I don't get it. In your first sentence you basically say $sqrt25=5.$ In your second sentence you say $sqrt25=pm5.$ Which is it?
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The distinction is between convention $sqrt25=5$ and reality $sqrt25=pm5$.
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I don't get it. In your first sentence you basically say $sqrt25=5.$ In your second sentence you say $sqrt25=pm5.$ Which is it?
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I don't get it. In your first sentence you basically say $sqrt25=5.$ In your second sentence you say $sqrt25=pm5.$ Which is it?
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The distinction is between convention $sqrt25=5$ and reality $sqrt25=pm5$.
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You can use the third binomial formula to see that $t=0$ is no solution.
$$sqrt25 - t^2 + 5 =0$$
$$sqrt25 - t^2 =- 5 $$
$$sqrt5 - tcdot sqrt5+t =- 5 $$
$$sqrt5cdot sqrt5 =- 5 $$
$$5 =- 5 qquad colorredtimes$$
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"third binomial formula"? What is that supposed to be? Even if I guess it is the difference-of-squares formula, what's the point of using it? You could just substitute $0$ in at the beginning and skip from line 1 to line 4.
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I just wanted to make clear that $t=0$ is no solution. That´s the way I´ve chosen.
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I know, I'm just pointing out you included an unnecessarily complicated step when doing that. Unless you have some qualms about what $25-0^2$ is or something.
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But it doesn´t seem so clear that $t=0$ is no solution if you look at the comments and answers here.
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I think we're both very clear on all the other comments and questions, but it seems as if you didn't read the first comment in this thread at all... ;) I didn't say anything was wrong with your choice of strategy, I'm just saying you added complication that isn't necessary.
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You can use the third binomial formula to see that $t=0$ is no solution.
$$sqrt25 - t^2 + 5 =0$$
$$sqrt25 - t^2 =- 5 $$
$$sqrt5 - tcdot sqrt5+t =- 5 $$
$$sqrt5cdot sqrt5 =- 5 $$
$$5 =- 5 qquad colorredtimes$$
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"third binomial formula"? What is that supposed to be? Even if I guess it is the difference-of-squares formula, what's the point of using it? You could just substitute $0$ in at the beginning and skip from line 1 to line 4.
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I just wanted to make clear that $t=0$ is no solution. That´s the way I´ve chosen.
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– callculus
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I know, I'm just pointing out you included an unnecessarily complicated step when doing that. Unless you have some qualms about what $25-0^2$ is or something.
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– rschwieb
7 hours ago
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But it doesn´t seem so clear that $t=0$ is no solution if you look at the comments and answers here.
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– callculus
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I think we're both very clear on all the other comments and questions, but it seems as if you didn't read the first comment in this thread at all... ;) I didn't say anything was wrong with your choice of strategy, I'm just saying you added complication that isn't necessary.
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You can use the third binomial formula to see that $t=0$ is no solution.
$$sqrt25 - t^2 + 5 =0$$
$$sqrt25 - t^2 =- 5 $$
$$sqrt5 - tcdot sqrt5+t =- 5 $$
$$sqrt5cdot sqrt5 =- 5 $$
$$5 =- 5 qquad colorredtimes$$
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You can use the third binomial formula to see that $t=0$ is no solution.
$$sqrt25 - t^2 + 5 =0$$
$$sqrt25 - t^2 =- 5 $$
$$sqrt5 - tcdot sqrt5+t =- 5 $$
$$sqrt5cdot sqrt5 =- 5 $$
$$5 =- 5 qquad colorredtimes$$
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"third binomial formula"? What is that supposed to be? Even if I guess it is the difference-of-squares formula, what's the point of using it? You could just substitute $0$ in at the beginning and skip from line 1 to line 4.
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– rschwieb
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I just wanted to make clear that $t=0$ is no solution. That´s the way I´ve chosen.
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I know, I'm just pointing out you included an unnecessarily complicated step when doing that. Unless you have some qualms about what $25-0^2$ is or something.
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– rschwieb
7 hours ago
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But it doesn´t seem so clear that $t=0$ is no solution if you look at the comments and answers here.
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I think we're both very clear on all the other comments and questions, but it seems as if you didn't read the first comment in this thread at all... ;) I didn't say anything was wrong with your choice of strategy, I'm just saying you added complication that isn't necessary.
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"third binomial formula"? What is that supposed to be? Even if I guess it is the difference-of-squares formula, what's the point of using it? You could just substitute $0$ in at the beginning and skip from line 1 to line 4.
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I just wanted to make clear that $t=0$ is no solution. That´s the way I´ve chosen.
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– callculus
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I know, I'm just pointing out you included an unnecessarily complicated step when doing that. Unless you have some qualms about what $25-0^2$ is or something.
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– rschwieb
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But it doesn´t seem so clear that $t=0$ is no solution if you look at the comments and answers here.
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– callculus
7 hours ago
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I think we're both very clear on all the other comments and questions, but it seems as if you didn't read the first comment in this thread at all... ;) I didn't say anything was wrong with your choice of strategy, I'm just saying you added complication that isn't necessary.
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– rschwieb
7 hours ago
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"third binomial formula"? What is that supposed to be? Even if I guess it is the difference-of-squares formula, what's the point of using it? You could just substitute $0$ in at the beginning and skip from line 1 to line 4.
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– rschwieb
7 hours ago
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"third binomial formula"? What is that supposed to be? Even if I guess it is the difference-of-squares formula, what's the point of using it? You could just substitute $0$ in at the beginning and skip from line 1 to line 4.
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– rschwieb
7 hours ago
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I just wanted to make clear that $t=0$ is no solution. That´s the way I´ve chosen.
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– callculus
7 hours ago
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I just wanted to make clear that $t=0$ is no solution. That´s the way I´ve chosen.
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– callculus
7 hours ago
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I know, I'm just pointing out you included an unnecessarily complicated step when doing that. Unless you have some qualms about what $25-0^2$ is or something.
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– rschwieb
7 hours ago
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I know, I'm just pointing out you included an unnecessarily complicated step when doing that. Unless you have some qualms about what $25-0^2$ is or something.
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– rschwieb
7 hours ago
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But it doesn´t seem so clear that $t=0$ is no solution if you look at the comments and answers here.
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– callculus
7 hours ago
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But it doesn´t seem so clear that $t=0$ is no solution if you look at the comments and answers here.
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– callculus
7 hours ago
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I think we're both very clear on all the other comments and questions, but it seems as if you didn't read the first comment in this thread at all... ;) I didn't say anything was wrong with your choice of strategy, I'm just saying you added complication that isn't necessary.
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– rschwieb
7 hours ago
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I think we're both very clear on all the other comments and questions, but it seems as if you didn't read the first comment in this thread at all... ;) I didn't say anything was wrong with your choice of strategy, I'm just saying you added complication that isn't necessary.
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– rschwieb
7 hours ago
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You are right that imaginary numbers cannot be classified as positives or negatives. As for your other questions, have you looked into a pre calculus book lately?
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– imranfat
8 hours ago
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Imaginary numbers are quite simple to understand. Just let $i$ be a number such that $i^2=-1$ and operate with them is a normal fashion (for instance: $(3+4i) + (1+2i) = 4+6i$; similarly, $(3+4i) cdot (1+2i) = 3+4i+6i+8i^2=3-8+10i=-5+10i$
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– David
8 hours ago
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@calicus Imoved my comment to answer. Positive only is a convention, not a mathematical truth.
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– herb steinberg
8 hours ago
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It is true that $x^2=25⇒x_1,2=±5$. But $25$ is just $sqrt5$
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– callculus
7 hours ago
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I agree with callculus, apart from the typo
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– Adam Rubinson
7 hours ago