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I have a short 60fps video which I'd like to turn into a gif. I run



ffmpeg -i foo.flv foo.gif


and it produces a gif. Great!



The only problem is that the motion in the produced gif is janky and uneven. If I use another tool, I can see that ffmpeg has created a gif where the first frame is 10ms long, the second 20ms, the third 20ms, and then it repeats like that: 10ms, 20ms, 20ms. If I use another tool to smooth it out to an even 16ms for each frame (without changing the frame contents), the result looks beautiful.



Why is ffmpeg doing this? How can I ask it to write a gif that requests an even 16ms per frame instead, so that I don't need to use a second tool?



I have now seen this related question asking whether 60fps gifs even exist, but it doesn't address the question of how to ask ffmpeg to change its behavior. Additionally, it raises a new question: if 16ms is not a time that gif can represent, what is the other tool I'm using doing, and why does it work well?










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    I have a short 60fps video which I'd like to turn into a gif. I run



    ffmpeg -i foo.flv foo.gif


    and it produces a gif. Great!



    The only problem is that the motion in the produced gif is janky and uneven. If I use another tool, I can see that ffmpeg has created a gif where the first frame is 10ms long, the second 20ms, the third 20ms, and then it repeats like that: 10ms, 20ms, 20ms. If I use another tool to smooth it out to an even 16ms for each frame (without changing the frame contents), the result looks beautiful.



    Why is ffmpeg doing this? How can I ask it to write a gif that requests an even 16ms per frame instead, so that I don't need to use a second tool?



    I have now seen this related question asking whether 60fps gifs even exist, but it doesn't address the question of how to ask ffmpeg to change its behavior. Additionally, it raises a new question: if 16ms is not a time that gif can represent, what is the other tool I'm using doing, and why does it work well?










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      I have a short 60fps video which I'd like to turn into a gif. I run



      ffmpeg -i foo.flv foo.gif


      and it produces a gif. Great!



      The only problem is that the motion in the produced gif is janky and uneven. If I use another tool, I can see that ffmpeg has created a gif where the first frame is 10ms long, the second 20ms, the third 20ms, and then it repeats like that: 10ms, 20ms, 20ms. If I use another tool to smooth it out to an even 16ms for each frame (without changing the frame contents), the result looks beautiful.



      Why is ffmpeg doing this? How can I ask it to write a gif that requests an even 16ms per frame instead, so that I don't need to use a second tool?



      I have now seen this related question asking whether 60fps gifs even exist, but it doesn't address the question of how to ask ffmpeg to change its behavior. Additionally, it raises a new question: if 16ms is not a time that gif can represent, what is the other tool I'm using doing, and why does it work well?










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      I have a short 60fps video which I'd like to turn into a gif. I run



      ffmpeg -i foo.flv foo.gif


      and it produces a gif. Great!



      The only problem is that the motion in the produced gif is janky and uneven. If I use another tool, I can see that ffmpeg has created a gif where the first frame is 10ms long, the second 20ms, the third 20ms, and then it repeats like that: 10ms, 20ms, 20ms. If I use another tool to smooth it out to an even 16ms for each frame (without changing the frame contents), the result looks beautiful.



      Why is ffmpeg doing this? How can I ask it to write a gif that requests an even 16ms per frame instead, so that I don't need to use a second tool?



      I have now seen this related question asking whether 60fps gifs even exist, but it doesn't address the question of how to ask ffmpeg to change its behavior. Additionally, it raises a new question: if 16ms is not a time that gif can represent, what is the other tool I'm using doing, and why does it work well?







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          As discussed at Do 60 FPS GIF's actually exist? Or is the maximum 50 FPS?, the resolution of frame times in GIF is 10ms, so a nice even 16ms per frame is not possible. So the answers to the questions, in order, are:




          Why is ffmpeg doing this?




          Because 10+20+20 gets you 60fps on average, and is the most precise approximation with that property that can be represented within the constraints of the GIF format.




          How can I ask it to write a gif that requests an even 16ms per frame instead, so that I don't need to use a second tool?




          You can't, because the gif format can't represent that. But I've found that asking it to make a 50fps video -- which can be exactly represented in the GIF format -- produces nice smooth results. This can be done with:



          ffmpeg -i foo.flv -vf fps=50 foo.gif


          It is not immediately clear to me from the documentation whether this attempts to do some sort of temporal interpolation, or whether it simply keeps the same frames in the same order and displays them at the new framerate, so investigate further than I did if that difference matters for your application.




          If 16ms is not a time that gif can represent, what is the other tool I'm using doing, and why does it work well?




          The other tool I was using was GIMP, and its choice is to round each frame to the nearest representable size, so it was silently changing my requested 16ms/frame to 20ms/frame. It probably works well because my poor human eyes can't tell that everything was happening just slightly too slowly to be correct; only that motions were happening smoothly instead of at unusually-spaced intervals.






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            As discussed at Do 60 FPS GIF's actually exist? Or is the maximum 50 FPS?, the resolution of frame times in GIF is 10ms, so a nice even 16ms per frame is not possible. So the answers to the questions, in order, are:




            Why is ffmpeg doing this?




            Because 10+20+20 gets you 60fps on average, and is the most precise approximation with that property that can be represented within the constraints of the GIF format.




            How can I ask it to write a gif that requests an even 16ms per frame instead, so that I don't need to use a second tool?




            You can't, because the gif format can't represent that. But I've found that asking it to make a 50fps video -- which can be exactly represented in the GIF format -- produces nice smooth results. This can be done with:



            ffmpeg -i foo.flv -vf fps=50 foo.gif


            It is not immediately clear to me from the documentation whether this attempts to do some sort of temporal interpolation, or whether it simply keeps the same frames in the same order and displays them at the new framerate, so investigate further than I did if that difference matters for your application.




            If 16ms is not a time that gif can represent, what is the other tool I'm using doing, and why does it work well?




            The other tool I was using was GIMP, and its choice is to round each frame to the nearest representable size, so it was silently changing my requested 16ms/frame to 20ms/frame. It probably works well because my poor human eyes can't tell that everything was happening just slightly too slowly to be correct; only that motions were happening smoothly instead of at unusually-spaced intervals.






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              As discussed at Do 60 FPS GIF's actually exist? Or is the maximum 50 FPS?, the resolution of frame times in GIF is 10ms, so a nice even 16ms per frame is not possible. So the answers to the questions, in order, are:




              Why is ffmpeg doing this?




              Because 10+20+20 gets you 60fps on average, and is the most precise approximation with that property that can be represented within the constraints of the GIF format.




              How can I ask it to write a gif that requests an even 16ms per frame instead, so that I don't need to use a second tool?




              You can't, because the gif format can't represent that. But I've found that asking it to make a 50fps video -- which can be exactly represented in the GIF format -- produces nice smooth results. This can be done with:



              ffmpeg -i foo.flv -vf fps=50 foo.gif


              It is not immediately clear to me from the documentation whether this attempts to do some sort of temporal interpolation, or whether it simply keeps the same frames in the same order and displays them at the new framerate, so investigate further than I did if that difference matters for your application.




              If 16ms is not a time that gif can represent, what is the other tool I'm using doing, and why does it work well?




              The other tool I was using was GIMP, and its choice is to round each frame to the nearest representable size, so it was silently changing my requested 16ms/frame to 20ms/frame. It probably works well because my poor human eyes can't tell that everything was happening just slightly too slowly to be correct; only that motions were happening smoothly instead of at unusually-spaced intervals.






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                As discussed at Do 60 FPS GIF's actually exist? Or is the maximum 50 FPS?, the resolution of frame times in GIF is 10ms, so a nice even 16ms per frame is not possible. So the answers to the questions, in order, are:




                Why is ffmpeg doing this?




                Because 10+20+20 gets you 60fps on average, and is the most precise approximation with that property that can be represented within the constraints of the GIF format.




                How can I ask it to write a gif that requests an even 16ms per frame instead, so that I don't need to use a second tool?




                You can't, because the gif format can't represent that. But I've found that asking it to make a 50fps video -- which can be exactly represented in the GIF format -- produces nice smooth results. This can be done with:



                ffmpeg -i foo.flv -vf fps=50 foo.gif


                It is not immediately clear to me from the documentation whether this attempts to do some sort of temporal interpolation, or whether it simply keeps the same frames in the same order and displays them at the new framerate, so investigate further than I did if that difference matters for your application.




                If 16ms is not a time that gif can represent, what is the other tool I'm using doing, and why does it work well?




                The other tool I was using was GIMP, and its choice is to round each frame to the nearest representable size, so it was silently changing my requested 16ms/frame to 20ms/frame. It probably works well because my poor human eyes can't tell that everything was happening just slightly too slowly to be correct; only that motions were happening smoothly instead of at unusually-spaced intervals.






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                As discussed at Do 60 FPS GIF's actually exist? Or is the maximum 50 FPS?, the resolution of frame times in GIF is 10ms, so a nice even 16ms per frame is not possible. So the answers to the questions, in order, are:




                Why is ffmpeg doing this?




                Because 10+20+20 gets you 60fps on average, and is the most precise approximation with that property that can be represented within the constraints of the GIF format.




                How can I ask it to write a gif that requests an even 16ms per frame instead, so that I don't need to use a second tool?




                You can't, because the gif format can't represent that. But I've found that asking it to make a 50fps video -- which can be exactly represented in the GIF format -- produces nice smooth results. This can be done with:



                ffmpeg -i foo.flv -vf fps=50 foo.gif


                It is not immediately clear to me from the documentation whether this attempts to do some sort of temporal interpolation, or whether it simply keeps the same frames in the same order and displays them at the new framerate, so investigate further than I did if that difference matters for your application.




                If 16ms is not a time that gif can represent, what is the other tool I'm using doing, and why does it work well?




                The other tool I was using was GIMP, and its choice is to round each frame to the nearest representable size, so it was silently changing my requested 16ms/frame to 20ms/frame. It probably works well because my poor human eyes can't tell that everything was happening just slightly too slowly to be correct; only that motions were happening smoothly instead of at unusually-spaced intervals.







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