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I'll soon be completing studies. So, I have been applying for jobs. Generally, I'm able to cross the initial pre-screen assessment test by HR personnel, in which they typically ask the tell me about yourself?
question.
For the technical round, the company will give a dataset and will either ask a specific problem to solve or will ask to explore the dataset and then conjure up a problem to solve it. Generally, the dataset size is quite small and easy to process.
Recently, I interviewed in a company for the role of a data scientist. I crossed the pre-screen HR round. For the technical round, they gave me a real dataset whose size was over 200MB! They said,
The following challenge asks you to work with a data set of loan repayment. It is intentionally meant to be open-ended. The point is not to arrive at a predetermined answer or search for the lowest possible standard error. Rather, the hope is that it will force you to ask relevant questions about the data, do some preliminary exploration, perform the necessary manipulations or aggregations, generate visualizations, and reach conclusions or insights. The most important thing to remember is that we are evaluating your thought process and ideas! The more you explain your thinking, in a clear and succinct manner, the better. If you get stuck, describe what additional information or data you might look to collect, and trying a different idea is highly encouraged.
I provided a comprehensive 50-page report in which I formulated a problem, using the given dataset and explained in great depths on how I solved it. I also explained the given data anomalies, how to eradicate them in future. In short, I think the report was so rich in content that it can be accepted for publication!
The company rejected my job application and did not provide any valid reason for rejection (Note: I wrote back to the company post the application rejection seeking feedback and they have since not replied). Now, I understand they are not bound to provide a rejection reason, but what really hurts and baffles me are the following questions;
In future how to deal with such open-ended technical round interview questions? Should I provide a detailed report or not?
Is it a red flag to be given huge datasets and open-ended technical problems to solve? How to determine the company is not exploiting a prospective candidate in terms of acquiring a free end-to-end solution?
For future technical round interview, is it appropriate to ask something like,
Will you provide a feedback post completing the technical exercise?
. If the company is reluctant or refuses to provide feedback, what should I do?
professionalism interviewing feedback
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I'll soon be completing studies. So, I have been applying for jobs. Generally, I'm able to cross the initial pre-screen assessment test by HR personnel, in which they typically ask the tell me about yourself?
question.
For the technical round, the company will give a dataset and will either ask a specific problem to solve or will ask to explore the dataset and then conjure up a problem to solve it. Generally, the dataset size is quite small and easy to process.
Recently, I interviewed in a company for the role of a data scientist. I crossed the pre-screen HR round. For the technical round, they gave me a real dataset whose size was over 200MB! They said,
The following challenge asks you to work with a data set of loan repayment. It is intentionally meant to be open-ended. The point is not to arrive at a predetermined answer or search for the lowest possible standard error. Rather, the hope is that it will force you to ask relevant questions about the data, do some preliminary exploration, perform the necessary manipulations or aggregations, generate visualizations, and reach conclusions or insights. The most important thing to remember is that we are evaluating your thought process and ideas! The more you explain your thinking, in a clear and succinct manner, the better. If you get stuck, describe what additional information or data you might look to collect, and trying a different idea is highly encouraged.
I provided a comprehensive 50-page report in which I formulated a problem, using the given dataset and explained in great depths on how I solved it. I also explained the given data anomalies, how to eradicate them in future. In short, I think the report was so rich in content that it can be accepted for publication!
The company rejected my job application and did not provide any valid reason for rejection (Note: I wrote back to the company post the application rejection seeking feedback and they have since not replied). Now, I understand they are not bound to provide a rejection reason, but what really hurts and baffles me are the following questions;
In future how to deal with such open-ended technical round interview questions? Should I provide a detailed report or not?
Is it a red flag to be given huge datasets and open-ended technical problems to solve? How to determine the company is not exploiting a prospective candidate in terms of acquiring a free end-to-end solution?
For future technical round interview, is it appropriate to ask something like,
Will you provide a feedback post completing the technical exercise?
. If the company is reluctant or refuses to provide feedback, what should I do?
professionalism interviewing feedback
add a comment |
I'll soon be completing studies. So, I have been applying for jobs. Generally, I'm able to cross the initial pre-screen assessment test by HR personnel, in which they typically ask the tell me about yourself?
question.
For the technical round, the company will give a dataset and will either ask a specific problem to solve or will ask to explore the dataset and then conjure up a problem to solve it. Generally, the dataset size is quite small and easy to process.
Recently, I interviewed in a company for the role of a data scientist. I crossed the pre-screen HR round. For the technical round, they gave me a real dataset whose size was over 200MB! They said,
The following challenge asks you to work with a data set of loan repayment. It is intentionally meant to be open-ended. The point is not to arrive at a predetermined answer or search for the lowest possible standard error. Rather, the hope is that it will force you to ask relevant questions about the data, do some preliminary exploration, perform the necessary manipulations or aggregations, generate visualizations, and reach conclusions or insights. The most important thing to remember is that we are evaluating your thought process and ideas! The more you explain your thinking, in a clear and succinct manner, the better. If you get stuck, describe what additional information or data you might look to collect, and trying a different idea is highly encouraged.
I provided a comprehensive 50-page report in which I formulated a problem, using the given dataset and explained in great depths on how I solved it. I also explained the given data anomalies, how to eradicate them in future. In short, I think the report was so rich in content that it can be accepted for publication!
The company rejected my job application and did not provide any valid reason for rejection (Note: I wrote back to the company post the application rejection seeking feedback and they have since not replied). Now, I understand they are not bound to provide a rejection reason, but what really hurts and baffles me are the following questions;
In future how to deal with such open-ended technical round interview questions? Should I provide a detailed report or not?
Is it a red flag to be given huge datasets and open-ended technical problems to solve? How to determine the company is not exploiting a prospective candidate in terms of acquiring a free end-to-end solution?
For future technical round interview, is it appropriate to ask something like,
Will you provide a feedback post completing the technical exercise?
. If the company is reluctant or refuses to provide feedback, what should I do?
professionalism interviewing feedback
I'll soon be completing studies. So, I have been applying for jobs. Generally, I'm able to cross the initial pre-screen assessment test by HR personnel, in which they typically ask the tell me about yourself?
question.
For the technical round, the company will give a dataset and will either ask a specific problem to solve or will ask to explore the dataset and then conjure up a problem to solve it. Generally, the dataset size is quite small and easy to process.
Recently, I interviewed in a company for the role of a data scientist. I crossed the pre-screen HR round. For the technical round, they gave me a real dataset whose size was over 200MB! They said,
The following challenge asks you to work with a data set of loan repayment. It is intentionally meant to be open-ended. The point is not to arrive at a predetermined answer or search for the lowest possible standard error. Rather, the hope is that it will force you to ask relevant questions about the data, do some preliminary exploration, perform the necessary manipulations or aggregations, generate visualizations, and reach conclusions or insights. The most important thing to remember is that we are evaluating your thought process and ideas! The more you explain your thinking, in a clear and succinct manner, the better. If you get stuck, describe what additional information or data you might look to collect, and trying a different idea is highly encouraged.
I provided a comprehensive 50-page report in which I formulated a problem, using the given dataset and explained in great depths on how I solved it. I also explained the given data anomalies, how to eradicate them in future. In short, I think the report was so rich in content that it can be accepted for publication!
The company rejected my job application and did not provide any valid reason for rejection (Note: I wrote back to the company post the application rejection seeking feedback and they have since not replied). Now, I understand they are not bound to provide a rejection reason, but what really hurts and baffles me are the following questions;
In future how to deal with such open-ended technical round interview questions? Should I provide a detailed report or not?
Is it a red flag to be given huge datasets and open-ended technical problems to solve? How to determine the company is not exploiting a prospective candidate in terms of acquiring a free end-to-end solution?
For future technical round interview, is it appropriate to ask something like,
Will you provide a feedback post completing the technical exercise?
. If the company is reluctant or refuses to provide feedback, what should I do?
professionalism interviewing feedback
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A company will not provide feedback because it has the potential to get them into lawsuits and it has literally no benefits for them. A risk for zero gain. So they won't do it.
In the future, you might ask how extensive this report has to be. 50 pages seems long to me, especially considering that they need to evaluate many candidates. But maybe it's what they wanted and somebody prepared a better 50 page report. We cannot know, that's why you need to ask before you do all the work.
On the bright side, whoever they hired instead, that person will not compete against you on your next job application/interview.
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In future how to deal with such open-ended technical round interview questions? Should I provide a detailed report or not?
The way to find out what the interviewers expect from you is to ask them.
A 50 page report that could potentially be published sounds like far too much to me (although I'm not a data scientist). If it was real data then you've just done a lot of work for free, and if it was just an example data set then someone would have to spend a lot of time reading and evaluating your report, time which they most likely don't have.
Is it a red flag to be given huge datasets and open-ended technical problems to solve? How to determine the company is not exploiting a prospective candidate in terms of acquiring a free end-to-end solution?
Personally I think it's a good sign - your potential co-workers will likely have been tested as well, which improves your chances of working with a competent team in the event that they hire you.
It's common to find people who object to large technical tests though, and who aren't prepared to do them.
In the future I'd suggest you time-box the work you do on tests a lot better. That is, don't work for hours and hours until you have a solution that you feel is as the same quality as the best you would do if you were employed. Instead decide on a reasonable amount of time, and do the best you can within that time. The goal is to show that you're technically capable, not to deliver a complete production-ready solution.
For future technical round interview, is it appropriate to ask something like, Will you provide a feedback post completing the technical exercise?. If the company is reluctant or refuses to provide feedback, what should I do?
You can ask, but don't expect them to say yes.
If they reject you without feedback then accept it and move on to the next application. Rejections without feedback are a frustrating but normal part of job searches.
I did not understand the phrase,time-box the work you do on tests a lot better
. Please explain it.
– mnm
4 mins ago
@mnm I've edited the post, hope that's clearer now
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A company will not provide feedback because it has the potential to get them into lawsuits and it has literally no benefits for them. A risk for zero gain. So they won't do it.
In the future, you might ask how extensive this report has to be. 50 pages seems long to me, especially considering that they need to evaluate many candidates. But maybe it's what they wanted and somebody prepared a better 50 page report. We cannot know, that's why you need to ask before you do all the work.
On the bright side, whoever they hired instead, that person will not compete against you on your next job application/interview.
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A company will not provide feedback because it has the potential to get them into lawsuits and it has literally no benefits for them. A risk for zero gain. So they won't do it.
In the future, you might ask how extensive this report has to be. 50 pages seems long to me, especially considering that they need to evaluate many candidates. But maybe it's what they wanted and somebody prepared a better 50 page report. We cannot know, that's why you need to ask before you do all the work.
On the bright side, whoever they hired instead, that person will not compete against you on your next job application/interview.
add a comment |
A company will not provide feedback because it has the potential to get them into lawsuits and it has literally no benefits for them. A risk for zero gain. So they won't do it.
In the future, you might ask how extensive this report has to be. 50 pages seems long to me, especially considering that they need to evaluate many candidates. But maybe it's what they wanted and somebody prepared a better 50 page report. We cannot know, that's why you need to ask before you do all the work.
On the bright side, whoever they hired instead, that person will not compete against you on your next job application/interview.
A company will not provide feedback because it has the potential to get them into lawsuits and it has literally no benefits for them. A risk for zero gain. So they won't do it.
In the future, you might ask how extensive this report has to be. 50 pages seems long to me, especially considering that they need to evaluate many candidates. But maybe it's what they wanted and somebody prepared a better 50 page report. We cannot know, that's why you need to ask before you do all the work.
On the bright side, whoever they hired instead, that person will not compete against you on your next job application/interview.
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In future how to deal with such open-ended technical round interview questions? Should I provide a detailed report or not?
The way to find out what the interviewers expect from you is to ask them.
A 50 page report that could potentially be published sounds like far too much to me (although I'm not a data scientist). If it was real data then you've just done a lot of work for free, and if it was just an example data set then someone would have to spend a lot of time reading and evaluating your report, time which they most likely don't have.
Is it a red flag to be given huge datasets and open-ended technical problems to solve? How to determine the company is not exploiting a prospective candidate in terms of acquiring a free end-to-end solution?
Personally I think it's a good sign - your potential co-workers will likely have been tested as well, which improves your chances of working with a competent team in the event that they hire you.
It's common to find people who object to large technical tests though, and who aren't prepared to do them.
In the future I'd suggest you time-box the work you do on tests a lot better. That is, don't work for hours and hours until you have a solution that you feel is as the same quality as the best you would do if you were employed. Instead decide on a reasonable amount of time, and do the best you can within that time. The goal is to show that you're technically capable, not to deliver a complete production-ready solution.
For future technical round interview, is it appropriate to ask something like, Will you provide a feedback post completing the technical exercise?. If the company is reluctant or refuses to provide feedback, what should I do?
You can ask, but don't expect them to say yes.
If they reject you without feedback then accept it and move on to the next application. Rejections without feedback are a frustrating but normal part of job searches.
I did not understand the phrase,time-box the work you do on tests a lot better
. Please explain it.
– mnm
4 mins ago
@mnm I've edited the post, hope that's clearer now
– Player One
just now
add a comment |
In future how to deal with such open-ended technical round interview questions? Should I provide a detailed report or not?
The way to find out what the interviewers expect from you is to ask them.
A 50 page report that could potentially be published sounds like far too much to me (although I'm not a data scientist). If it was real data then you've just done a lot of work for free, and if it was just an example data set then someone would have to spend a lot of time reading and evaluating your report, time which they most likely don't have.
Is it a red flag to be given huge datasets and open-ended technical problems to solve? How to determine the company is not exploiting a prospective candidate in terms of acquiring a free end-to-end solution?
Personally I think it's a good sign - your potential co-workers will likely have been tested as well, which improves your chances of working with a competent team in the event that they hire you.
It's common to find people who object to large technical tests though, and who aren't prepared to do them.
In the future I'd suggest you time-box the work you do on tests a lot better. That is, don't work for hours and hours until you have a solution that you feel is as the same quality as the best you would do if you were employed. Instead decide on a reasonable amount of time, and do the best you can within that time. The goal is to show that you're technically capable, not to deliver a complete production-ready solution.
For future technical round interview, is it appropriate to ask something like, Will you provide a feedback post completing the technical exercise?. If the company is reluctant or refuses to provide feedback, what should I do?
You can ask, but don't expect them to say yes.
If they reject you without feedback then accept it and move on to the next application. Rejections without feedback are a frustrating but normal part of job searches.
I did not understand the phrase,time-box the work you do on tests a lot better
. Please explain it.
– mnm
4 mins ago
@mnm I've edited the post, hope that's clearer now
– Player One
just now
add a comment |
In future how to deal with such open-ended technical round interview questions? Should I provide a detailed report or not?
The way to find out what the interviewers expect from you is to ask them.
A 50 page report that could potentially be published sounds like far too much to me (although I'm not a data scientist). If it was real data then you've just done a lot of work for free, and if it was just an example data set then someone would have to spend a lot of time reading and evaluating your report, time which they most likely don't have.
Is it a red flag to be given huge datasets and open-ended technical problems to solve? How to determine the company is not exploiting a prospective candidate in terms of acquiring a free end-to-end solution?
Personally I think it's a good sign - your potential co-workers will likely have been tested as well, which improves your chances of working with a competent team in the event that they hire you.
It's common to find people who object to large technical tests though, and who aren't prepared to do them.
In the future I'd suggest you time-box the work you do on tests a lot better. That is, don't work for hours and hours until you have a solution that you feel is as the same quality as the best you would do if you were employed. Instead decide on a reasonable amount of time, and do the best you can within that time. The goal is to show that you're technically capable, not to deliver a complete production-ready solution.
For future technical round interview, is it appropriate to ask something like, Will you provide a feedback post completing the technical exercise?. If the company is reluctant or refuses to provide feedback, what should I do?
You can ask, but don't expect them to say yes.
If they reject you without feedback then accept it and move on to the next application. Rejections without feedback are a frustrating but normal part of job searches.
In future how to deal with such open-ended technical round interview questions? Should I provide a detailed report or not?
The way to find out what the interviewers expect from you is to ask them.
A 50 page report that could potentially be published sounds like far too much to me (although I'm not a data scientist). If it was real data then you've just done a lot of work for free, and if it was just an example data set then someone would have to spend a lot of time reading and evaluating your report, time which they most likely don't have.
Is it a red flag to be given huge datasets and open-ended technical problems to solve? How to determine the company is not exploiting a prospective candidate in terms of acquiring a free end-to-end solution?
Personally I think it's a good sign - your potential co-workers will likely have been tested as well, which improves your chances of working with a competent team in the event that they hire you.
It's common to find people who object to large technical tests though, and who aren't prepared to do them.
In the future I'd suggest you time-box the work you do on tests a lot better. That is, don't work for hours and hours until you have a solution that you feel is as the same quality as the best you would do if you were employed. Instead decide on a reasonable amount of time, and do the best you can within that time. The goal is to show that you're technically capable, not to deliver a complete production-ready solution.
For future technical round interview, is it appropriate to ask something like, Will you provide a feedback post completing the technical exercise?. If the company is reluctant or refuses to provide feedback, what should I do?
You can ask, but don't expect them to say yes.
If they reject you without feedback then accept it and move on to the next application. Rejections without feedback are a frustrating but normal part of job searches.
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I did not understand the phrase,time-box the work you do on tests a lot better
. Please explain it.
– mnm
4 mins ago
@mnm I've edited the post, hope that's clearer now
– Player One
just now
add a comment |
I did not understand the phrase,time-box the work you do on tests a lot better
. Please explain it.
– mnm
4 mins ago
@mnm I've edited the post, hope that's clearer now
– Player One
just now
I did not understand the phrase,
time-box the work you do on tests a lot better
. Please explain it.– mnm
4 mins ago
I did not understand the phrase,
time-box the work you do on tests a lot better
. Please explain it.– mnm
4 mins ago
@mnm I've edited the post, hope that's clearer now
– Player One
just now
@mnm I've edited the post, hope that's clearer now
– Player One
just now
add a comment |
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