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How to hide rifle during medieval town entrance inspection?
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Here is my fantasy medieval scenario
There is pair of adventurer, a Supportive/Non-Offensive mage and a swordsman.
The swordsman is actually a disguised rifleman that carries a scoped rifle.
In order to not arouse any suspicion by guards, and to avoid the rifle getting seized by them, the rifle must be perceived as something normal.... or at least something that they don't want to inspect
Casting illusion magic or something simmiliar on the rifle is not preferable.
This is because magic might leave traces on it and risk it being detected by anything that could sense traces of magic.
Rifle length is 116cm (M16 is +-100cm)
My possible disguises :
● Disguise it as Cursed Item.
This will prevent guards from being curious, but.... might lead to 'seize or dispose on site' if they're told to prevent anything cursed from entering the city
● Disguise it as property of someone important (Magic research item)
The mage mentioned above is apprentice of a well renowed Archmage.
Judging by how hierarchy and power distance during medieval period works, the guards will try to stay out of trouble from someone with higher authority than them.
It would be better if I could smuggle that rifle without using 'false authority' .... if the guards managed to see through the lies (ie : not informed by archmage about his/her item arrival) .... we might get a warrant arrest (It means torture in medieval settings)
Any more concealment options ?
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Here is my fantasy medieval scenario
There is pair of adventurer, a Supportive/Non-Offensive mage and a swordsman.
The swordsman is actually a disguised rifleman that carries a scoped rifle.
In order to not arouse any suspicion by guards, and to avoid the rifle getting seized by them, the rifle must be perceived as something normal.... or at least something that they don't want to inspect
Casting illusion magic or something simmiliar on the rifle is not preferable.
This is because magic might leave traces on it and risk it being detected by anything that could sense traces of magic.
Rifle length is 116cm (M16 is +-100cm)
My possible disguises :
● Disguise it as Cursed Item.
This will prevent guards from being curious, but.... might lead to 'seize or dispose on site' if they're told to prevent anything cursed from entering the city
● Disguise it as property of someone important (Magic research item)
The mage mentioned above is apprentice of a well renowed Archmage.
Judging by how hierarchy and power distance during medieval period works, the guards will try to stay out of trouble from someone with higher authority than them.
It would be better if I could smuggle that rifle without using 'false authority' .... if the guards managed to see through the lies (ie : not informed by archmage about his/her item arrival) .... we might get a warrant arrest (It means torture in medieval settings)
Any more concealment options ?
weapons medieval concealment
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How about just shooting the Guards at a distance ?
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– Joe
8 hours ago
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Might help to know more about the inspections in general - how thorough are they, why are they conducted, and what are the guards actually looking for? Since this is a medieval setting, presumably they have never seen a rifle before. Do the guards just confiscate anything they're not familiar with?
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– Nuclear Wang
8 hours ago
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What is a "scoped rifle" doing in a medieval setting? They most definitely did not have anything remotely resembling a telescoping sight for firearms. For that matter, are you asking about a (very) late medieval rifled musket, or about a modern rifle, and then what make and model of modern rifle?
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– AlexP
7 hours ago
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@Joe They're not on the kill list, it's better to let them be rather than making them alert about something out of the place
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– Short Barrel Raifu
7 hours ago
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Assuming firearm in question is M16/AR15-like, there are even smaller take downs. The full parts kit as shown in @Cumehtar 's image (his excellent answer too) would need specialized tools to properly assemble (gas block, barrel nut). For real working super-takedown AR type check rellimarms.com . Pieces this small could be hidden inside a false book, etc. Lots of other ways to make other firearms take down, disguise, etc. but to be any more specific we'd need to know more about firearm other than OAL.
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Here is my fantasy medieval scenario
There is pair of adventurer, a Supportive/Non-Offensive mage and a swordsman.
The swordsman is actually a disguised rifleman that carries a scoped rifle.
In order to not arouse any suspicion by guards, and to avoid the rifle getting seized by them, the rifle must be perceived as something normal.... or at least something that they don't want to inspect
Casting illusion magic or something simmiliar on the rifle is not preferable.
This is because magic might leave traces on it and risk it being detected by anything that could sense traces of magic.
Rifle length is 116cm (M16 is +-100cm)
My possible disguises :
● Disguise it as Cursed Item.
This will prevent guards from being curious, but.... might lead to 'seize or dispose on site' if they're told to prevent anything cursed from entering the city
● Disguise it as property of someone important (Magic research item)
The mage mentioned above is apprentice of a well renowed Archmage.
Judging by how hierarchy and power distance during medieval period works, the guards will try to stay out of trouble from someone with higher authority than them.
It would be better if I could smuggle that rifle without using 'false authority' .... if the guards managed to see through the lies (ie : not informed by archmage about his/her item arrival) .... we might get a warrant arrest (It means torture in medieval settings)
Any more concealment options ?
weapons medieval concealment
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Here is my fantasy medieval scenario
There is pair of adventurer, a Supportive/Non-Offensive mage and a swordsman.
The swordsman is actually a disguised rifleman that carries a scoped rifle.
In order to not arouse any suspicion by guards, and to avoid the rifle getting seized by them, the rifle must be perceived as something normal.... or at least something that they don't want to inspect
Casting illusion magic or something simmiliar on the rifle is not preferable.
This is because magic might leave traces on it and risk it being detected by anything that could sense traces of magic.
Rifle length is 116cm (M16 is +-100cm)
My possible disguises :
● Disguise it as Cursed Item.
This will prevent guards from being curious, but.... might lead to 'seize or dispose on site' if they're told to prevent anything cursed from entering the city
● Disguise it as property of someone important (Magic research item)
The mage mentioned above is apprentice of a well renowed Archmage.
Judging by how hierarchy and power distance during medieval period works, the guards will try to stay out of trouble from someone with higher authority than them.
It would be better if I could smuggle that rifle without using 'false authority' .... if the guards managed to see through the lies (ie : not informed by archmage about his/her item arrival) .... we might get a warrant arrest (It means torture in medieval settings)
Any more concealment options ?
weapons medieval concealment
weapons medieval concealment
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How about just shooting the Guards at a distance ?
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– Joe
8 hours ago
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Might help to know more about the inspections in general - how thorough are they, why are they conducted, and what are the guards actually looking for? Since this is a medieval setting, presumably they have never seen a rifle before. Do the guards just confiscate anything they're not familiar with?
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– Nuclear Wang
8 hours ago
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What is a "scoped rifle" doing in a medieval setting? They most definitely did not have anything remotely resembling a telescoping sight for firearms. For that matter, are you asking about a (very) late medieval rifled musket, or about a modern rifle, and then what make and model of modern rifle?
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– AlexP
7 hours ago
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@Joe They're not on the kill list, it's better to let them be rather than making them alert about something out of the place
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– Short Barrel Raifu
7 hours ago
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Assuming firearm in question is M16/AR15-like, there are even smaller take downs. The full parts kit as shown in @Cumehtar 's image (his excellent answer too) would need specialized tools to properly assemble (gas block, barrel nut). For real working super-takedown AR type check rellimarms.com . Pieces this small could be hidden inside a false book, etc. Lots of other ways to make other firearms take down, disguise, etc. but to be any more specific we'd need to know more about firearm other than OAL.
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How about just shooting the Guards at a distance ?
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– Joe
8 hours ago
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Might help to know more about the inspections in general - how thorough are they, why are they conducted, and what are the guards actually looking for? Since this is a medieval setting, presumably they have never seen a rifle before. Do the guards just confiscate anything they're not familiar with?
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– Nuclear Wang
8 hours ago
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What is a "scoped rifle" doing in a medieval setting? They most definitely did not have anything remotely resembling a telescoping sight for firearms. For that matter, are you asking about a (very) late medieval rifled musket, or about a modern rifle, and then what make and model of modern rifle?
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– AlexP
7 hours ago
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@Joe They're not on the kill list, it's better to let them be rather than making them alert about something out of the place
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– Short Barrel Raifu
7 hours ago
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Assuming firearm in question is M16/AR15-like, there are even smaller take downs. The full parts kit as shown in @Cumehtar 's image (his excellent answer too) would need specialized tools to properly assemble (gas block, barrel nut). For real working super-takedown AR type check rellimarms.com . Pieces this small could be hidden inside a false book, etc. Lots of other ways to make other firearms take down, disguise, etc. but to be any more specific we'd need to know more about firearm other than OAL.
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– ivanivan
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How about just shooting the Guards at a distance ?
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– Joe
8 hours ago
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How about just shooting the Guards at a distance ?
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– Joe
8 hours ago
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Might help to know more about the inspections in general - how thorough are they, why are they conducted, and what are the guards actually looking for? Since this is a medieval setting, presumably they have never seen a rifle before. Do the guards just confiscate anything they're not familiar with?
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– Nuclear Wang
8 hours ago
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Might help to know more about the inspections in general - how thorough are they, why are they conducted, and what are the guards actually looking for? Since this is a medieval setting, presumably they have never seen a rifle before. Do the guards just confiscate anything they're not familiar with?
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– Nuclear Wang
8 hours ago
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What is a "scoped rifle" doing in a medieval setting? They most definitely did not have anything remotely resembling a telescoping sight for firearms. For that matter, are you asking about a (very) late medieval rifled musket, or about a modern rifle, and then what make and model of modern rifle?
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– AlexP
7 hours ago
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What is a "scoped rifle" doing in a medieval setting? They most definitely did not have anything remotely resembling a telescoping sight for firearms. For that matter, are you asking about a (very) late medieval rifled musket, or about a modern rifle, and then what make and model of modern rifle?
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– AlexP
7 hours ago
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@Joe They're not on the kill list, it's better to let them be rather than making them alert about something out of the place
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– Short Barrel Raifu
7 hours ago
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@Joe They're not on the kill list, it's better to let them be rather than making them alert about something out of the place
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– Short Barrel Raifu
7 hours ago
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Assuming firearm in question is M16/AR15-like, there are even smaller take downs. The full parts kit as shown in @Cumehtar 's image (his excellent answer too) would need specialized tools to properly assemble (gas block, barrel nut). For real working super-takedown AR type check rellimarms.com . Pieces this small could be hidden inside a false book, etc. Lots of other ways to make other firearms take down, disguise, etc. but to be any more specific we'd need to know more about firearm other than OAL.
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– ivanivan
2 hours ago
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Assuming firearm in question is M16/AR15-like, there are even smaller take downs. The full parts kit as shown in @Cumehtar 's image (his excellent answer too) would need specialized tools to properly assemble (gas block, barrel nut). For real working super-takedown AR type check rellimarms.com . Pieces this small could be hidden inside a false book, etc. Lots of other ways to make other firearms take down, disguise, etc. but to be any more specific we'd need to know more about firearm other than OAL.
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I may be reading your question wrong, but I'm going from the assumption that the rifle isn't a typical weapon for this setting, but is imported from another timeline or world.
In this case you just need to disassemble it. A medieval guardsman won't recognize this as a firearm:
if he expects a firearm to look like this:
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The rifle is a modern anti material rifle, firearms doesn't exist yet, and anything that 'look suspicious' might lead to the chopping block .... but i wonder, will this 'take down' of rifle affect Accuray(POI & POA) of the rifle
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As for the accuracy - I think it depends on the level of disassembly. If you do not separate the barrel and the scope, I do not think it will need to be zeroed again (may be wrong here). As far as looking suspicious goes, a set of tubes, springs and catches together with a huge looking glass in the hands of a mage is trivial to explain as parts of some obscure astronomical equipment.
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– Cumehtar
6 hours ago
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Broken Astronomical Equipment might be a perfect disguise for the optics ... and for the rifle, tripod, etc .... let's say they're mounting base for now ... if i go this route, i need to set what kind or what level of astronomy that existed on this world.
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– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
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On that note, even a fully assembled sniper rifle would probably look more like part of an astronomy kit than a weapon. If you just store it in a case with a bunch of star charts and other astronomy/cartography devices, they will probably make their own assumptions.
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– Nosajimiki
6 hours ago
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@ShortBarrelRaifu - take down might affect world record level accuracy, but not what the other 99.9% of us are capable of shooting.
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– ivanivan
2 hours ago
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Smugglers have been smuggling things in and out of controlled borders for as long as controlled borders exist.
Some of your options:
- A concealed double bottom. It can be just the bench of the carriage transporting your men.
- Something smelly: put the rifle in its case, lay it on the bottom of the carriage and load the carriage with something smelly, like manure, fermented fish, etc.
If you have no carriage and are bound to walk, you can try disguising the rifle as a crutch. Just make sure it is not loaded, a thundering clutch would sound, pardon the pun, really suspicious.
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I was hoping your concealed double bottom would be a fake prosthesis of some sort. Like the shoplifting belly in that Jane's Addiction video, but on the other side.
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– Willk
7 hours ago
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To think that crutch could be used as a disguise, i never thought about this ... now, i have option to use the rifle chasis as the crutch, then the barrel(plus scope) as bunch of spears
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One simple way to conceal nearly anything is to hide it inside something else no one would think to look in. In this case, a log would work, hollowed out and with a plug of the same wood driven in. With a little care, the end result would weigh about what the unaltered, original log did, and there need be no palpable movement of weight inside (padding will keep the rifle from moving around in the hollow).
The log, in turn, could be one of several in a cart load of firewood. No one would be suspicious of a cart load of wood -- and even more so, they aren't likely to unload the cart and chop or split every log when there's no reason not to expect such stuff to be brought into the city.
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Lol, nice .... by using the log, i might have a possibilty to make the title into 'Tales of a Log Bearer' ... it's very promising options. But i think the swordman need something looks big and more common to be carried by the locals .... a guard with raised eyebrow on the log might noticed something off
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All depends on whether the rifle can be fully disassembled.
If yes, then it can be concealed inside a large number of innocuous objects, even crutches, like in "Day of Jackal".
If not, then the range of objects is much more narrow, and, unless your character is bringing a whole cart or wagon with him (which, actually, can be the only option), would likely be scrutinized. Keep in mind that wherever you can hide a full length rifle you can hide a sword, and sword is probably something that guards don't want to miss.
Modern rifle and its parts, while not recognizable in medieval setting, would undoubtedly be looked at with great suspicion.
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Regarding to wil
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6 hours ago
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Regarding to 'will guards search for swords/weaponry or not' .... i found an interesting info .... Shadiversity has a video about rules/laws about who could own a sword .... in his video, there's a rule that in certain areas someone without sword/proper weaponry will be fined .... cz they're expected to take part as militia when the time comes, but generally anybody could have a sword .... and now the biggest obstacle for me is how to make the rifle looks normal for them... either by hidden from sight, or any other means (Just like as the swords) (Avoiding suspected as enemy/demon loyalist)
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– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
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@Short Barrel Raifu if swords are allowed, then it's better, but it begs the question - what's not allowed? What the guards are typically searching for?
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– Alexander
6 hours ago
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Their primary goal for now is to prevent infiltration by the enemy/demons. so they will search for any clues that might indicate this person is related to demons. example : if you show up with a sword or equipment that usually used by demons, you will get their atention fast .... my scenario for this case is : because althought many of demons usually physically better than humans, they lack something(i can't decide it yet) that makes humans tools less effective for them, they prefer using their own & guards dont know is it a demon tools or not when they see it for the first time.
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I may be reading your question wrong, but I'm going from the assumption that the rifle isn't a typical weapon for this setting, but is imported from another timeline or world.
In this case you just need to disassemble it. A medieval guardsman won't recognize this as a firearm:
if he expects a firearm to look like this:
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The rifle is a modern anti material rifle, firearms doesn't exist yet, and anything that 'look suspicious' might lead to the chopping block .... but i wonder, will this 'take down' of rifle affect Accuray(POI & POA) of the rifle
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As for the accuracy - I think it depends on the level of disassembly. If you do not separate the barrel and the scope, I do not think it will need to be zeroed again (may be wrong here). As far as looking suspicious goes, a set of tubes, springs and catches together with a huge looking glass in the hands of a mage is trivial to explain as parts of some obscure astronomical equipment.
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– Cumehtar
6 hours ago
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Broken Astronomical Equipment might be a perfect disguise for the optics ... and for the rifle, tripod, etc .... let's say they're mounting base for now ... if i go this route, i need to set what kind or what level of astronomy that existed on this world.
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– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
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On that note, even a fully assembled sniper rifle would probably look more like part of an astronomy kit than a weapon. If you just store it in a case with a bunch of star charts and other astronomy/cartography devices, they will probably make their own assumptions.
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– Nosajimiki
6 hours ago
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@ShortBarrelRaifu - take down might affect world record level accuracy, but not what the other 99.9% of us are capable of shooting.
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– ivanivan
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I may be reading your question wrong, but I'm going from the assumption that the rifle isn't a typical weapon for this setting, but is imported from another timeline or world.
In this case you just need to disassemble it. A medieval guardsman won't recognize this as a firearm:
if he expects a firearm to look like this:
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The rifle is a modern anti material rifle, firearms doesn't exist yet, and anything that 'look suspicious' might lead to the chopping block .... but i wonder, will this 'take down' of rifle affect Accuray(POI & POA) of the rifle
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– Short Barrel Raifu
7 hours ago
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As for the accuracy - I think it depends on the level of disassembly. If you do not separate the barrel and the scope, I do not think it will need to be zeroed again (may be wrong here). As far as looking suspicious goes, a set of tubes, springs and catches together with a huge looking glass in the hands of a mage is trivial to explain as parts of some obscure astronomical equipment.
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– Cumehtar
6 hours ago
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Broken Astronomical Equipment might be a perfect disguise for the optics ... and for the rifle, tripod, etc .... let's say they're mounting base for now ... if i go this route, i need to set what kind or what level of astronomy that existed on this world.
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– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
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On that note, even a fully assembled sniper rifle would probably look more like part of an astronomy kit than a weapon. If you just store it in a case with a bunch of star charts and other astronomy/cartography devices, they will probably make their own assumptions.
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– Nosajimiki
6 hours ago
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@ShortBarrelRaifu - take down might affect world record level accuracy, but not what the other 99.9% of us are capable of shooting.
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– ivanivan
2 hours ago
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I may be reading your question wrong, but I'm going from the assumption that the rifle isn't a typical weapon for this setting, but is imported from another timeline or world.
In this case you just need to disassemble it. A medieval guardsman won't recognize this as a firearm:
if he expects a firearm to look like this:
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I may be reading your question wrong, but I'm going from the assumption that the rifle isn't a typical weapon for this setting, but is imported from another timeline or world.
In this case you just need to disassemble it. A medieval guardsman won't recognize this as a firearm:
if he expects a firearm to look like this:
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The rifle is a modern anti material rifle, firearms doesn't exist yet, and anything that 'look suspicious' might lead to the chopping block .... but i wonder, will this 'take down' of rifle affect Accuray(POI & POA) of the rifle
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– Short Barrel Raifu
7 hours ago
2
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As for the accuracy - I think it depends on the level of disassembly. If you do not separate the barrel and the scope, I do not think it will need to be zeroed again (may be wrong here). As far as looking suspicious goes, a set of tubes, springs and catches together with a huge looking glass in the hands of a mage is trivial to explain as parts of some obscure astronomical equipment.
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– Cumehtar
6 hours ago
1
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Broken Astronomical Equipment might be a perfect disguise for the optics ... and for the rifle, tripod, etc .... let's say they're mounting base for now ... if i go this route, i need to set what kind or what level of astronomy that existed on this world.
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– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
On that note, even a fully assembled sniper rifle would probably look more like part of an astronomy kit than a weapon. If you just store it in a case with a bunch of star charts and other astronomy/cartography devices, they will probably make their own assumptions.
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– Nosajimiki
6 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@ShortBarrelRaifu - take down might affect world record level accuracy, but not what the other 99.9% of us are capable of shooting.
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– ivanivan
2 hours ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
The rifle is a modern anti material rifle, firearms doesn't exist yet, and anything that 'look suspicious' might lead to the chopping block .... but i wonder, will this 'take down' of rifle affect Accuray(POI & POA) of the rifle
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
As for the accuracy - I think it depends on the level of disassembly. If you do not separate the barrel and the scope, I do not think it will need to be zeroed again (may be wrong here). As far as looking suspicious goes, a set of tubes, springs and catches together with a huge looking glass in the hands of a mage is trivial to explain as parts of some obscure astronomical equipment.
$endgroup$
– Cumehtar
6 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
Broken Astronomical Equipment might be a perfect disguise for the optics ... and for the rifle, tripod, etc .... let's say they're mounting base for now ... if i go this route, i need to set what kind or what level of astronomy that existed on this world.
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
On that note, even a fully assembled sniper rifle would probably look more like part of an astronomy kit than a weapon. If you just store it in a case with a bunch of star charts and other astronomy/cartography devices, they will probably make their own assumptions.
$endgroup$
– Nosajimiki
6 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@ShortBarrelRaifu - take down might affect world record level accuracy, but not what the other 99.9% of us are capable of shooting.
$endgroup$
– ivanivan
2 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
The rifle is a modern anti material rifle, firearms doesn't exist yet, and anything that 'look suspicious' might lead to the chopping block .... but i wonder, will this 'take down' of rifle affect Accuray(POI & POA) of the rifle
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
The rifle is a modern anti material rifle, firearms doesn't exist yet, and anything that 'look suspicious' might lead to the chopping block .... but i wonder, will this 'take down' of rifle affect Accuray(POI & POA) of the rifle
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
7 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
As for the accuracy - I think it depends on the level of disassembly. If you do not separate the barrel and the scope, I do not think it will need to be zeroed again (may be wrong here). As far as looking suspicious goes, a set of tubes, springs and catches together with a huge looking glass in the hands of a mage is trivial to explain as parts of some obscure astronomical equipment.
$endgroup$
– Cumehtar
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
As for the accuracy - I think it depends on the level of disassembly. If you do not separate the barrel and the scope, I do not think it will need to be zeroed again (may be wrong here). As far as looking suspicious goes, a set of tubes, springs and catches together with a huge looking glass in the hands of a mage is trivial to explain as parts of some obscure astronomical equipment.
$endgroup$
– Cumehtar
6 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Broken Astronomical Equipment might be a perfect disguise for the optics ... and for the rifle, tripod, etc .... let's say they're mounting base for now ... if i go this route, i need to set what kind or what level of astronomy that existed on this world.
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Broken Astronomical Equipment might be a perfect disguise for the optics ... and for the rifle, tripod, etc .... let's say they're mounting base for now ... if i go this route, i need to set what kind or what level of astronomy that existed on this world.
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
On that note, even a fully assembled sniper rifle would probably look more like part of an astronomy kit than a weapon. If you just store it in a case with a bunch of star charts and other astronomy/cartography devices, they will probably make their own assumptions.
$endgroup$
– Nosajimiki
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
On that note, even a fully assembled sniper rifle would probably look more like part of an astronomy kit than a weapon. If you just store it in a case with a bunch of star charts and other astronomy/cartography devices, they will probably make their own assumptions.
$endgroup$
– Nosajimiki
6 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
@ShortBarrelRaifu - take down might affect world record level accuracy, but not what the other 99.9% of us are capable of shooting.
$endgroup$
– ivanivan
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
@ShortBarrelRaifu - take down might affect world record level accuracy, but not what the other 99.9% of us are capable of shooting.
$endgroup$
– ivanivan
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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Smugglers have been smuggling things in and out of controlled borders for as long as controlled borders exist.
Some of your options:
- A concealed double bottom. It can be just the bench of the carriage transporting your men.
- Something smelly: put the rifle in its case, lay it on the bottom of the carriage and load the carriage with something smelly, like manure, fermented fish, etc.
If you have no carriage and are bound to walk, you can try disguising the rifle as a crutch. Just make sure it is not loaded, a thundering clutch would sound, pardon the pun, really suspicious.
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1
$begingroup$
I was hoping your concealed double bottom would be a fake prosthesis of some sort. Like the shoplifting belly in that Jane's Addiction video, but on the other side.
$endgroup$
– Willk
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
To think that crutch could be used as a disguise, i never thought about this ... now, i have option to use the rifle chasis as the crutch, then the barrel(plus scope) as bunch of spears
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Smugglers have been smuggling things in and out of controlled borders for as long as controlled borders exist.
Some of your options:
- A concealed double bottom. It can be just the bench of the carriage transporting your men.
- Something smelly: put the rifle in its case, lay it on the bottom of the carriage and load the carriage with something smelly, like manure, fermented fish, etc.
If you have no carriage and are bound to walk, you can try disguising the rifle as a crutch. Just make sure it is not loaded, a thundering clutch would sound, pardon the pun, really suspicious.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
I was hoping your concealed double bottom would be a fake prosthesis of some sort. Like the shoplifting belly in that Jane's Addiction video, but on the other side.
$endgroup$
– Willk
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
To think that crutch could be used as a disguise, i never thought about this ... now, i have option to use the rifle chasis as the crutch, then the barrel(plus scope) as bunch of spears
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Smugglers have been smuggling things in and out of controlled borders for as long as controlled borders exist.
Some of your options:
- A concealed double bottom. It can be just the bench of the carriage transporting your men.
- Something smelly: put the rifle in its case, lay it on the bottom of the carriage and load the carriage with something smelly, like manure, fermented fish, etc.
If you have no carriage and are bound to walk, you can try disguising the rifle as a crutch. Just make sure it is not loaded, a thundering clutch would sound, pardon the pun, really suspicious.
$endgroup$
Smugglers have been smuggling things in and out of controlled borders for as long as controlled borders exist.
Some of your options:
- A concealed double bottom. It can be just the bench of the carriage transporting your men.
- Something smelly: put the rifle in its case, lay it on the bottom of the carriage and load the carriage with something smelly, like manure, fermented fish, etc.
If you have no carriage and are bound to walk, you can try disguising the rifle as a crutch. Just make sure it is not loaded, a thundering clutch would sound, pardon the pun, really suspicious.
edited 7 hours ago
answered 8 hours ago
L.Dutch♦L.Dutch
98.3k31232475
98.3k31232475
1
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I was hoping your concealed double bottom would be a fake prosthesis of some sort. Like the shoplifting belly in that Jane's Addiction video, but on the other side.
$endgroup$
– Willk
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
To think that crutch could be used as a disguise, i never thought about this ... now, i have option to use the rifle chasis as the crutch, then the barrel(plus scope) as bunch of spears
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
I was hoping your concealed double bottom would be a fake prosthesis of some sort. Like the shoplifting belly in that Jane's Addiction video, but on the other side.
$endgroup$
– Willk
7 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
To think that crutch could be used as a disguise, i never thought about this ... now, i have option to use the rifle chasis as the crutch, then the barrel(plus scope) as bunch of spears
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
I was hoping your concealed double bottom would be a fake prosthesis of some sort. Like the shoplifting belly in that Jane's Addiction video, but on the other side.
$endgroup$
– Willk
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
I was hoping your concealed double bottom would be a fake prosthesis of some sort. Like the shoplifting belly in that Jane's Addiction video, but on the other side.
$endgroup$
– Willk
7 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
To think that crutch could be used as a disguise, i never thought about this ... now, i have option to use the rifle chasis as the crutch, then the barrel(plus scope) as bunch of spears
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
To think that crutch could be used as a disguise, i never thought about this ... now, i have option to use the rifle chasis as the crutch, then the barrel(plus scope) as bunch of spears
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
One simple way to conceal nearly anything is to hide it inside something else no one would think to look in. In this case, a log would work, hollowed out and with a plug of the same wood driven in. With a little care, the end result would weigh about what the unaltered, original log did, and there need be no palpable movement of weight inside (padding will keep the rifle from moving around in the hollow).
The log, in turn, could be one of several in a cart load of firewood. No one would be suspicious of a cart load of wood -- and even more so, they aren't likely to unload the cart and chop or split every log when there's no reason not to expect such stuff to be brought into the city.
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1
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Lol, nice .... by using the log, i might have a possibilty to make the title into 'Tales of a Log Bearer' ... it's very promising options. But i think the swordman need something looks big and more common to be carried by the locals .... a guard with raised eyebrow on the log might noticed something off
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
One simple way to conceal nearly anything is to hide it inside something else no one would think to look in. In this case, a log would work, hollowed out and with a plug of the same wood driven in. With a little care, the end result would weigh about what the unaltered, original log did, and there need be no palpable movement of weight inside (padding will keep the rifle from moving around in the hollow).
The log, in turn, could be one of several in a cart load of firewood. No one would be suspicious of a cart load of wood -- and even more so, they aren't likely to unload the cart and chop or split every log when there's no reason not to expect such stuff to be brought into the city.
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
Lol, nice .... by using the log, i might have a possibilty to make the title into 'Tales of a Log Bearer' ... it's very promising options. But i think the swordman need something looks big and more common to be carried by the locals .... a guard with raised eyebrow on the log might noticed something off
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
One simple way to conceal nearly anything is to hide it inside something else no one would think to look in. In this case, a log would work, hollowed out and with a plug of the same wood driven in. With a little care, the end result would weigh about what the unaltered, original log did, and there need be no palpable movement of weight inside (padding will keep the rifle from moving around in the hollow).
The log, in turn, could be one of several in a cart load of firewood. No one would be suspicious of a cart load of wood -- and even more so, they aren't likely to unload the cart and chop or split every log when there's no reason not to expect such stuff to be brought into the city.
$endgroup$
One simple way to conceal nearly anything is to hide it inside something else no one would think to look in. In this case, a log would work, hollowed out and with a plug of the same wood driven in. With a little care, the end result would weigh about what the unaltered, original log did, and there need be no palpable movement of weight inside (padding will keep the rifle from moving around in the hollow).
The log, in turn, could be one of several in a cart load of firewood. No one would be suspicious of a cart load of wood -- and even more so, they aren't likely to unload the cart and chop or split every log when there's no reason not to expect such stuff to be brought into the city.
edited 6 hours ago
answered 8 hours ago
Zeiss IkonZeiss Ikon
4,911924
4,911924
1
$begingroup$
Lol, nice .... by using the log, i might have a possibilty to make the title into 'Tales of a Log Bearer' ... it's very promising options. But i think the swordman need something looks big and more common to be carried by the locals .... a guard with raised eyebrow on the log might noticed something off
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
Lol, nice .... by using the log, i might have a possibilty to make the title into 'Tales of a Log Bearer' ... it's very promising options. But i think the swordman need something looks big and more common to be carried by the locals .... a guard with raised eyebrow on the log might noticed something off
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Lol, nice .... by using the log, i might have a possibilty to make the title into 'Tales of a Log Bearer' ... it's very promising options. But i think the swordman need something looks big and more common to be carried by the locals .... a guard with raised eyebrow on the log might noticed something off
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Lol, nice .... by using the log, i might have a possibilty to make the title into 'Tales of a Log Bearer' ... it's very promising options. But i think the swordman need something looks big and more common to be carried by the locals .... a guard with raised eyebrow on the log might noticed something off
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
All depends on whether the rifle can be fully disassembled.
If yes, then it can be concealed inside a large number of innocuous objects, even crutches, like in "Day of Jackal".
If not, then the range of objects is much more narrow, and, unless your character is bringing a whole cart or wagon with him (which, actually, can be the only option), would likely be scrutinized. Keep in mind that wherever you can hide a full length rifle you can hide a sword, and sword is probably something that guards don't want to miss.
Modern rifle and its parts, while not recognizable in medieval setting, would undoubtedly be looked at with great suspicion.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Regarding to wil
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Regarding to 'will guards search for swords/weaponry or not' .... i found an interesting info .... Shadiversity has a video about rules/laws about who could own a sword .... in his video, there's a rule that in certain areas someone without sword/proper weaponry will be fined .... cz they're expected to take part as militia when the time comes, but generally anybody could have a sword .... and now the biggest obstacle for me is how to make the rifle looks normal for them... either by hidden from sight, or any other means (Just like as the swords) (Avoiding suspected as enemy/demon loyalist)
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Short Barrel Raifu if swords are allowed, then it's better, but it begs the question - what's not allowed? What the guards are typically searching for?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Their primary goal for now is to prevent infiltration by the enemy/demons. so they will search for any clues that might indicate this person is related to demons. example : if you show up with a sword or equipment that usually used by demons, you will get their atention fast .... my scenario for this case is : because althought many of demons usually physically better than humans, they lack something(i can't decide it yet) that makes humans tools less effective for them, they prefer using their own & guards dont know is it a demon tools or not when they see it for the first time.
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
All depends on whether the rifle can be fully disassembled.
If yes, then it can be concealed inside a large number of innocuous objects, even crutches, like in "Day of Jackal".
If not, then the range of objects is much more narrow, and, unless your character is bringing a whole cart or wagon with him (which, actually, can be the only option), would likely be scrutinized. Keep in mind that wherever you can hide a full length rifle you can hide a sword, and sword is probably something that guards don't want to miss.
Modern rifle and its parts, while not recognizable in medieval setting, would undoubtedly be looked at with great suspicion.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Regarding to wil
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Regarding to 'will guards search for swords/weaponry or not' .... i found an interesting info .... Shadiversity has a video about rules/laws about who could own a sword .... in his video, there's a rule that in certain areas someone without sword/proper weaponry will be fined .... cz they're expected to take part as militia when the time comes, but generally anybody could have a sword .... and now the biggest obstacle for me is how to make the rifle looks normal for them... either by hidden from sight, or any other means (Just like as the swords) (Avoiding suspected as enemy/demon loyalist)
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Short Barrel Raifu if swords are allowed, then it's better, but it begs the question - what's not allowed? What the guards are typically searching for?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Their primary goal for now is to prevent infiltration by the enemy/demons. so they will search for any clues that might indicate this person is related to demons. example : if you show up with a sword or equipment that usually used by demons, you will get their atention fast .... my scenario for this case is : because althought many of demons usually physically better than humans, they lack something(i can't decide it yet) that makes humans tools less effective for them, they prefer using their own & guards dont know is it a demon tools or not when they see it for the first time.
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
All depends on whether the rifle can be fully disassembled.
If yes, then it can be concealed inside a large number of innocuous objects, even crutches, like in "Day of Jackal".
If not, then the range of objects is much more narrow, and, unless your character is bringing a whole cart or wagon with him (which, actually, can be the only option), would likely be scrutinized. Keep in mind that wherever you can hide a full length rifle you can hide a sword, and sword is probably something that guards don't want to miss.
Modern rifle and its parts, while not recognizable in medieval setting, would undoubtedly be looked at with great suspicion.
$endgroup$
All depends on whether the rifle can be fully disassembled.
If yes, then it can be concealed inside a large number of innocuous objects, even crutches, like in "Day of Jackal".
If not, then the range of objects is much more narrow, and, unless your character is bringing a whole cart or wagon with him (which, actually, can be the only option), would likely be scrutinized. Keep in mind that wherever you can hide a full length rifle you can hide a sword, and sword is probably something that guards don't want to miss.
Modern rifle and its parts, while not recognizable in medieval setting, would undoubtedly be looked at with great suspicion.
answered 6 hours ago
AlexanderAlexander
22.4k53586
22.4k53586
$begingroup$
Regarding to wil
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Regarding to 'will guards search for swords/weaponry or not' .... i found an interesting info .... Shadiversity has a video about rules/laws about who could own a sword .... in his video, there's a rule that in certain areas someone without sword/proper weaponry will be fined .... cz they're expected to take part as militia when the time comes, but generally anybody could have a sword .... and now the biggest obstacle for me is how to make the rifle looks normal for them... either by hidden from sight, or any other means (Just like as the swords) (Avoiding suspected as enemy/demon loyalist)
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Short Barrel Raifu if swords are allowed, then it's better, but it begs the question - what's not allowed? What the guards are typically searching for?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Their primary goal for now is to prevent infiltration by the enemy/demons. so they will search for any clues that might indicate this person is related to demons. example : if you show up with a sword or equipment that usually used by demons, you will get their atention fast .... my scenario for this case is : because althought many of demons usually physically better than humans, they lack something(i can't decide it yet) that makes humans tools less effective for them, they prefer using their own & guards dont know is it a demon tools or not when they see it for the first time.
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
5 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Regarding to wil
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Regarding to 'will guards search for swords/weaponry or not' .... i found an interesting info .... Shadiversity has a video about rules/laws about who could own a sword .... in his video, there's a rule that in certain areas someone without sword/proper weaponry will be fined .... cz they're expected to take part as militia when the time comes, but generally anybody could have a sword .... and now the biggest obstacle for me is how to make the rifle looks normal for them... either by hidden from sight, or any other means (Just like as the swords) (Avoiding suspected as enemy/demon loyalist)
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Short Barrel Raifu if swords are allowed, then it's better, but it begs the question - what's not allowed? What the guards are typically searching for?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Their primary goal for now is to prevent infiltration by the enemy/demons. so they will search for any clues that might indicate this person is related to demons. example : if you show up with a sword or equipment that usually used by demons, you will get their atention fast .... my scenario for this case is : because althought many of demons usually physically better than humans, they lack something(i can't decide it yet) that makes humans tools less effective for them, they prefer using their own & guards dont know is it a demon tools or not when they see it for the first time.
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Regarding to wil
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Regarding to wil
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Regarding to 'will guards search for swords/weaponry or not' .... i found an interesting info .... Shadiversity has a video about rules/laws about who could own a sword .... in his video, there's a rule that in certain areas someone without sword/proper weaponry will be fined .... cz they're expected to take part as militia when the time comes, but generally anybody could have a sword .... and now the biggest obstacle for me is how to make the rifle looks normal for them... either by hidden from sight, or any other means (Just like as the swords) (Avoiding suspected as enemy/demon loyalist)
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Regarding to 'will guards search for swords/weaponry or not' .... i found an interesting info .... Shadiversity has a video about rules/laws about who could own a sword .... in his video, there's a rule that in certain areas someone without sword/proper weaponry will be fined .... cz they're expected to take part as militia when the time comes, but generally anybody could have a sword .... and now the biggest obstacle for me is how to make the rifle looks normal for them... either by hidden from sight, or any other means (Just like as the swords) (Avoiding suspected as enemy/demon loyalist)
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Short Barrel Raifu if swords are allowed, then it's better, but it begs the question - what's not allowed? What the guards are typically searching for?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Short Barrel Raifu if swords are allowed, then it's better, but it begs the question - what's not allowed? What the guards are typically searching for?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
6 hours ago
$begingroup$
Their primary goal for now is to prevent infiltration by the enemy/demons. so they will search for any clues that might indicate this person is related to demons. example : if you show up with a sword or equipment that usually used by demons, you will get their atention fast .... my scenario for this case is : because althought many of demons usually physically better than humans, they lack something(i can't decide it yet) that makes humans tools less effective for them, they prefer using their own & guards dont know is it a demon tools or not when they see it for the first time.
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
Their primary goal for now is to prevent infiltration by the enemy/demons. so they will search for any clues that might indicate this person is related to demons. example : if you show up with a sword or equipment that usually used by demons, you will get their atention fast .... my scenario for this case is : because althought many of demons usually physically better than humans, they lack something(i can't decide it yet) that makes humans tools less effective for them, they prefer using their own & guards dont know is it a demon tools or not when they see it for the first time.
$endgroup$
– Short Barrel Raifu
5 hours ago
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How about just shooting the Guards at a distance ?
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– Joe
8 hours ago
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Might help to know more about the inspections in general - how thorough are they, why are they conducted, and what are the guards actually looking for? Since this is a medieval setting, presumably they have never seen a rifle before. Do the guards just confiscate anything they're not familiar with?
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– Nuclear Wang
8 hours ago
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What is a "scoped rifle" doing in a medieval setting? They most definitely did not have anything remotely resembling a telescoping sight for firearms. For that matter, are you asking about a (very) late medieval rifled musket, or about a modern rifle, and then what make and model of modern rifle?
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– AlexP
7 hours ago
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@Joe They're not on the kill list, it's better to let them be rather than making them alert about something out of the place
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– Short Barrel Raifu
7 hours ago
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Assuming firearm in question is M16/AR15-like, there are even smaller take downs. The full parts kit as shown in @Cumehtar 's image (his excellent answer too) would need specialized tools to properly assemble (gas block, barrel nut). For real working super-takedown AR type check rellimarms.com . Pieces this small could be hidden inside a false book, etc. Lots of other ways to make other firearms take down, disguise, etc. but to be any more specific we'd need to know more about firearm other than OAL.
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– ivanivan
2 hours ago