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Is there a conventional way to have a permutation act on a list of objects? It seems like there are two possible ways, one being the inverse of the other.



Suppose I have a permutation $sigma in S_4$ which is concretely specified as a function from the set $S = 1,2,3,4$ to itself. Specifically,



$$beginarraycccc
i & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ hline
sigma(i) & 4 & 3 & 1 & 2
endarray$$



Say I want to permute the string "STAR" by $sigma$. One way to do it would be to send the letter at position $i$ to position $sigma(i)$ in the result, giving "ARTS". Another way to do it would be to populate the $i^textth$ entry of the result using the $sigma(i)^textth$ entry of the original. That would give "RAST".



The first one seems more correct, but the second is more appealing because the string "1234" permutes to "4312", which you read directly off the table.



EDIT: I realize this is equivalent to asking if a permutation matrix should have ones in entries $a_i,sigma(i)$ or $a_sigma(i),i$.










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    For each $iin S$, $i$ should go to $sigma(i)$. Since the characters in the string are usually mapped to their indices, a permutation of the string is a permutation on its index set. Therefore, I would say your first way is correct.
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    Both are correct: one is a left action and the other is a right action.
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Is there a conventional way to have a permutation act on a list of objects? It seems like there are two possible ways, one being the inverse of the other.



Suppose I have a permutation $sigma in S_4$ which is concretely specified as a function from the set $S = 1,2,3,4$ to itself. Specifically,



$$beginarraycccc
i & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ hline
sigma(i) & 4 & 3 & 1 & 2
endarray$$



Say I want to permute the string "STAR" by $sigma$. One way to do it would be to send the letter at position $i$ to position $sigma(i)$ in the result, giving "ARTS". Another way to do it would be to populate the $i^textth$ entry of the result using the $sigma(i)^textth$ entry of the original. That would give "RAST".



The first one seems more correct, but the second is more appealing because the string "1234" permutes to "4312", which you read directly off the table.



EDIT: I realize this is equivalent to asking if a permutation matrix should have ones in entries $a_i,sigma(i)$ or $a_sigma(i),i$.










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    For each $iin S$, $i$ should go to $sigma(i)$. Since the characters in the string are usually mapped to their indices, a permutation of the string is a permutation on its index set. Therefore, I would say your first way is correct.
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    Both are correct: one is a left action and the other is a right action.
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$begingroup$


Is there a conventional way to have a permutation act on a list of objects? It seems like there are two possible ways, one being the inverse of the other.



Suppose I have a permutation $sigma in S_4$ which is concretely specified as a function from the set $S = 1,2,3,4$ to itself. Specifically,



$$beginarraycccc
i & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ hline
sigma(i) & 4 & 3 & 1 & 2
endarray$$



Say I want to permute the string "STAR" by $sigma$. One way to do it would be to send the letter at position $i$ to position $sigma(i)$ in the result, giving "ARTS". Another way to do it would be to populate the $i^textth$ entry of the result using the $sigma(i)^textth$ entry of the original. That would give "RAST".



The first one seems more correct, but the second is more appealing because the string "1234" permutes to "4312", which you read directly off the table.



EDIT: I realize this is equivalent to asking if a permutation matrix should have ones in entries $a_i,sigma(i)$ or $a_sigma(i),i$.










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Is there a conventional way to have a permutation act on a list of objects? It seems like there are two possible ways, one being the inverse of the other.



Suppose I have a permutation $sigma in S_4$ which is concretely specified as a function from the set $S = 1,2,3,4$ to itself. Specifically,



$$beginarraycccc
i & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ hline
sigma(i) & 4 & 3 & 1 & 2
endarray$$



Say I want to permute the string "STAR" by $sigma$. One way to do it would be to send the letter at position $i$ to position $sigma(i)$ in the result, giving "ARTS". Another way to do it would be to populate the $i^textth$ entry of the result using the $sigma(i)^textth$ entry of the original. That would give "RAST".



The first one seems more correct, but the second is more appealing because the string "1234" permutes to "4312", which you read directly off the table.



EDIT: I realize this is equivalent to asking if a permutation matrix should have ones in entries $a_i,sigma(i)$ or $a_sigma(i),i$.







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    For each $iin S$, $i$ should go to $sigma(i)$. Since the characters in the string are usually mapped to their indices, a permutation of the string is a permutation on its index set. Therefore, I would say your first way is correct.
    $endgroup$
    – John Douma
    3 hours ago






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    $begingroup$
    Both are correct: one is a left action and the other is a right action.
    $endgroup$
    – Catalin Zara
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  • $begingroup$
    For each $iin S$, $i$ should go to $sigma(i)$. Since the characters in the string are usually mapped to their indices, a permutation of the string is a permutation on its index set. Therefore, I would say your first way is correct.
    $endgroup$
    – John Douma
    3 hours ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Both are correct: one is a left action and the other is a right action.
    $endgroup$
    – Catalin Zara
    2 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    @CatalinZara could you expand this into an answer?
    $endgroup$
    – Q the Platypus
    1 hour ago















$begingroup$
For each $iin S$, $i$ should go to $sigma(i)$. Since the characters in the string are usually mapped to their indices, a permutation of the string is a permutation on its index set. Therefore, I would say your first way is correct.
$endgroup$
– John Douma
3 hours ago




$begingroup$
For each $iin S$, $i$ should go to $sigma(i)$. Since the characters in the string are usually mapped to their indices, a permutation of the string is a permutation on its index set. Therefore, I would say your first way is correct.
$endgroup$
– John Douma
3 hours ago




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Both are correct: one is a left action and the other is a right action.
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– Catalin Zara
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Both are correct: one is a left action and the other is a right action.
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– Catalin Zara
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@CatalinZara could you expand this into an answer?
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Both actions are correct: one is a left action and the other is a right action.



[See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_action_(mathematics)]



For the first action: to a permutation $sigma$ and a string $x$, we associate a string $sigma cdot x$, defined by $(sigma cdot x)_sigma(i) = x_i$ ("letter at position $i$ is sent to position $sigma(i)$"), for all indices $i$ or, equivalently, $(sigma cdot x)_j = x_sigma^-1(j)$ for all indices $j$. That is a left action, since for two permutations $sigma$ and $tau$, we have



$$[sigmacdot (taucdot x))]_i = (taucdot x)_sigma^-1(i) = x_tau^-1(sigma^-1(i))= x_(sigmatau)^-1(i) = [(sigma tau)cdot x]_i,$$
hence
$$sigmacdot (taucdot x) = (sigma tau)cdot x.$$
Applying (i.e. "multiplying" by) $tau$ and then $sigma$ is the same as applying $sigmatau$. That is how multiplication to the left works, hence the term ''left action.''



For the second action: to a permutation $sigma$ and a string $x$, we associate a string $xstar sigma$, defined by $(xstar sigma)_i = x_sigma(i)$ ("$i^th$ entry of the result is the $sigma(i)^th$ entry of the original."). That is a right action, since for two permutations $sigma$ and $tau$, we have
$$[(xstar sigma)star tau]_i = [xstarsigma]_tau(i)= x_sigma(tau(i)) = x_(sigmatau)(i) = [xstar (sigmatau)]_i,$$
hence
$$(xstar sigma)star tau = xstar(sigmatau).$$



Applying (i.e. "multiplying" by) $sigma$ and then $tau$ is the same as applying $sigmatau$. That is how multiplication to the right works, hence the term ''right action.''



The two actions are indeed related by
$$(sigma cdot x)star sigma = x = sigma cdot (xstar sigma),$$
because
$$xstar sigma = sigma^-1cdot x.$$






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    Both actions are correct: one is a left action and the other is a right action.



    [See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_action_(mathematics)]



    For the first action: to a permutation $sigma$ and a string $x$, we associate a string $sigma cdot x$, defined by $(sigma cdot x)_sigma(i) = x_i$ ("letter at position $i$ is sent to position $sigma(i)$"), for all indices $i$ or, equivalently, $(sigma cdot x)_j = x_sigma^-1(j)$ for all indices $j$. That is a left action, since for two permutations $sigma$ and $tau$, we have



    $$[sigmacdot (taucdot x))]_i = (taucdot x)_sigma^-1(i) = x_tau^-1(sigma^-1(i))= x_(sigmatau)^-1(i) = [(sigma tau)cdot x]_i,$$
    hence
    $$sigmacdot (taucdot x) = (sigma tau)cdot x.$$
    Applying (i.e. "multiplying" by) $tau$ and then $sigma$ is the same as applying $sigmatau$. That is how multiplication to the left works, hence the term ''left action.''



    For the second action: to a permutation $sigma$ and a string $x$, we associate a string $xstar sigma$, defined by $(xstar sigma)_i = x_sigma(i)$ ("$i^th$ entry of the result is the $sigma(i)^th$ entry of the original."). That is a right action, since for two permutations $sigma$ and $tau$, we have
    $$[(xstar sigma)star tau]_i = [xstarsigma]_tau(i)= x_sigma(tau(i)) = x_(sigmatau)(i) = [xstar (sigmatau)]_i,$$
    hence
    $$(xstar sigma)star tau = xstar(sigmatau).$$



    Applying (i.e. "multiplying" by) $sigma$ and then $tau$ is the same as applying $sigmatau$. That is how multiplication to the right works, hence the term ''right action.''



    The two actions are indeed related by
    $$(sigma cdot x)star sigma = x = sigma cdot (xstar sigma),$$
    because
    $$xstar sigma = sigma^-1cdot x.$$






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      Both actions are correct: one is a left action and the other is a right action.



      [See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_action_(mathematics)]



      For the first action: to a permutation $sigma$ and a string $x$, we associate a string $sigma cdot x$, defined by $(sigma cdot x)_sigma(i) = x_i$ ("letter at position $i$ is sent to position $sigma(i)$"), for all indices $i$ or, equivalently, $(sigma cdot x)_j = x_sigma^-1(j)$ for all indices $j$. That is a left action, since for two permutations $sigma$ and $tau$, we have



      $$[sigmacdot (taucdot x))]_i = (taucdot x)_sigma^-1(i) = x_tau^-1(sigma^-1(i))= x_(sigmatau)^-1(i) = [(sigma tau)cdot x]_i,$$
      hence
      $$sigmacdot (taucdot x) = (sigma tau)cdot x.$$
      Applying (i.e. "multiplying" by) $tau$ and then $sigma$ is the same as applying $sigmatau$. That is how multiplication to the left works, hence the term ''left action.''



      For the second action: to a permutation $sigma$ and a string $x$, we associate a string $xstar sigma$, defined by $(xstar sigma)_i = x_sigma(i)$ ("$i^th$ entry of the result is the $sigma(i)^th$ entry of the original."). That is a right action, since for two permutations $sigma$ and $tau$, we have
      $$[(xstar sigma)star tau]_i = [xstarsigma]_tau(i)= x_sigma(tau(i)) = x_(sigmatau)(i) = [xstar (sigmatau)]_i,$$
      hence
      $$(xstar sigma)star tau = xstar(sigmatau).$$



      Applying (i.e. "multiplying" by) $sigma$ and then $tau$ is the same as applying $sigmatau$. That is how multiplication to the right works, hence the term ''right action.''



      The two actions are indeed related by
      $$(sigma cdot x)star sigma = x = sigma cdot (xstar sigma),$$
      because
      $$xstar sigma = sigma^-1cdot x.$$






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        Both actions are correct: one is a left action and the other is a right action.



        [See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_action_(mathematics)]



        For the first action: to a permutation $sigma$ and a string $x$, we associate a string $sigma cdot x$, defined by $(sigma cdot x)_sigma(i) = x_i$ ("letter at position $i$ is sent to position $sigma(i)$"), for all indices $i$ or, equivalently, $(sigma cdot x)_j = x_sigma^-1(j)$ for all indices $j$. That is a left action, since for two permutations $sigma$ and $tau$, we have



        $$[sigmacdot (taucdot x))]_i = (taucdot x)_sigma^-1(i) = x_tau^-1(sigma^-1(i))= x_(sigmatau)^-1(i) = [(sigma tau)cdot x]_i,$$
        hence
        $$sigmacdot (taucdot x) = (sigma tau)cdot x.$$
        Applying (i.e. "multiplying" by) $tau$ and then $sigma$ is the same as applying $sigmatau$. That is how multiplication to the left works, hence the term ''left action.''



        For the second action: to a permutation $sigma$ and a string $x$, we associate a string $xstar sigma$, defined by $(xstar sigma)_i = x_sigma(i)$ ("$i^th$ entry of the result is the $sigma(i)^th$ entry of the original."). That is a right action, since for two permutations $sigma$ and $tau$, we have
        $$[(xstar sigma)star tau]_i = [xstarsigma]_tau(i)= x_sigma(tau(i)) = x_(sigmatau)(i) = [xstar (sigmatau)]_i,$$
        hence
        $$(xstar sigma)star tau = xstar(sigmatau).$$



        Applying (i.e. "multiplying" by) $sigma$ and then $tau$ is the same as applying $sigmatau$. That is how multiplication to the right works, hence the term ''right action.''



        The two actions are indeed related by
        $$(sigma cdot x)star sigma = x = sigma cdot (xstar sigma),$$
        because
        $$xstar sigma = sigma^-1cdot x.$$






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        Both actions are correct: one is a left action and the other is a right action.



        [See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_action_(mathematics)]



        For the first action: to a permutation $sigma$ and a string $x$, we associate a string $sigma cdot x$, defined by $(sigma cdot x)_sigma(i) = x_i$ ("letter at position $i$ is sent to position $sigma(i)$"), for all indices $i$ or, equivalently, $(sigma cdot x)_j = x_sigma^-1(j)$ for all indices $j$. That is a left action, since for two permutations $sigma$ and $tau$, we have



        $$[sigmacdot (taucdot x))]_i = (taucdot x)_sigma^-1(i) = x_tau^-1(sigma^-1(i))= x_(sigmatau)^-1(i) = [(sigma tau)cdot x]_i,$$
        hence
        $$sigmacdot (taucdot x) = (sigma tau)cdot x.$$
        Applying (i.e. "multiplying" by) $tau$ and then $sigma$ is the same as applying $sigmatau$. That is how multiplication to the left works, hence the term ''left action.''



        For the second action: to a permutation $sigma$ and a string $x$, we associate a string $xstar sigma$, defined by $(xstar sigma)_i = x_sigma(i)$ ("$i^th$ entry of the result is the $sigma(i)^th$ entry of the original."). That is a right action, since for two permutations $sigma$ and $tau$, we have
        $$[(xstar sigma)star tau]_i = [xstarsigma]_tau(i)= x_sigma(tau(i)) = x_(sigmatau)(i) = [xstar (sigmatau)]_i,$$
        hence
        $$(xstar sigma)star tau = xstar(sigmatau).$$



        Applying (i.e. "multiplying" by) $sigma$ and then $tau$ is the same as applying $sigmatau$. That is how multiplication to the right works, hence the term ''right action.''



        The two actions are indeed related by
        $$(sigma cdot x)star sigma = x = sigma cdot (xstar sigma),$$
        because
        $$xstar sigma = sigma^-1cdot x.$$







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