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Do high-wing aircraft represent more difficult engineering challenges than low-wing aircraft?
What are the pros and cons of high-wing compared to low-wing design?Why does the Beech Staggerwing have its low wing ahead of the high wing?What is the cost savings of using electronic motors to taxi?Could a blown wing ever be powerful enough to lift an aircraft at zero forward velocity?Why are high-wing aircraft more stable?Is a biplane without dihedral more stable than a low wing monoplane without dihedral?How do the uninterrupted and interrupted flaps compare?Is there an aerodynamic force that would keep this experimental WW2 era prop from flying as fast as an early jet?How does wing bending relief of an a340 compared to an a330 allow it to carry 30t more fuel in a center section of nearly identical wings?How much extra weight is added by strengthening a piston-prop fighter for carrier landings?
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Generally, it's easier to make things strong in compression than in tension.
In a low-wing plane, the weight of the aircraft is on top of the wing; in a high-wing aircraft, it hangs from it.
It seems to me (I'm not an engineer) that the area of attachment in the latter case has to do a lot more difficult work (suspending the rest of the plane by its bolts) than in the former (bearing the weight from below).
And since in a high-wing aircraft all the structure is in tension (everything is hanging from something above it), presumably it's not just the wing and its attachment points that are affected, but most of the fuselage that has to withstand this tension.
Are these intuitions true, and if so, what are their engineering implications?
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Generally, it's easier to make things strong in compression than in tension.
In a low-wing plane, the weight of the aircraft is on top of the wing; in a high-wing aircraft, it hangs from it.
It seems to me (I'm not an engineer) that the area of attachment in the latter case has to do a lot more difficult work (suspending the rest of the plane by its bolts) than in the former (bearing the weight from below).
And since in a high-wing aircraft all the structure is in tension (everything is hanging from something above it), presumably it's not just the wing and its attachment points that are affected, but most of the fuselage that has to withstand this tension.
Are these intuitions true, and if so, what are their engineering implications?
aircraft-design wing
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Generally, it's easier to make things strong in compression than in tension.
In a low-wing plane, the weight of the aircraft is on top of the wing; in a high-wing aircraft, it hangs from it.
It seems to me (I'm not an engineer) that the area of attachment in the latter case has to do a lot more difficult work (suspending the rest of the plane by its bolts) than in the former (bearing the weight from below).
And since in a high-wing aircraft all the structure is in tension (everything is hanging from something above it), presumably it's not just the wing and its attachment points that are affected, but most of the fuselage that has to withstand this tension.
Are these intuitions true, and if so, what are their engineering implications?
aircraft-design wing
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Generally, it's easier to make things strong in compression than in tension.
In a low-wing plane, the weight of the aircraft is on top of the wing; in a high-wing aircraft, it hangs from it.
It seems to me (I'm not an engineer) that the area of attachment in the latter case has to do a lot more difficult work (suspending the rest of the plane by its bolts) than in the former (bearing the weight from below).
And since in a high-wing aircraft all the structure is in tension (everything is hanging from something above it), presumably it's not just the wing and its attachment points that are affected, but most of the fuselage that has to withstand this tension.
Are these intuitions true, and if so, what are their engineering implications?
aircraft-design wing
aircraft-design wing
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The intuitions depend on the application. Wood is very strong in compression, steel in tension. And we must also consider G loading forces, which only add to the situation.
Airplane designers, over the years, have learned to use sound fundamental structural concepts to advance from opposing tension cables (very strong, not aerodynamic) to cantilever design (loaded triangles in both tension and compression), distribution of load (stressed skin), and tubular design (arch strength), as well as improved building materials
such as aluminum, steel alloys, and titanium.
Although attachment to a high wing as opposed to resting on a low wing does make sense,
the greatest loads are on the wings themselves, and the parts of the fuselage bearing the bending force of elevator and rudder.
So you have a very strong fuselage either resting on or suspended from the wing spars.
Military transports seem to favor high wings, airliners low wings. No strong evidence for either case. But a lot of bolts will make it strong.
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the tensile-versus-compressive stress issues have been worked out to a satisfactory degree many years ago, meaning that the loadpaths for high-versus-low wing aircraft really aren't design differentiators- but there are other issues, as follows.
Low wings furnish a natural location for a wide-stance main landing gear, making for stable landings and easy ground handling. But high wings are less prone to damage from striking rocks or bushes on the ground.
In a low wing layout you can position the pilot and copilot seats over the main wing spar so they do not reduce cabin room, whereas a main spar carry-through in a high wing layout might reduce headroom in the cabin. However, a low wing interferes with the pilot's view of the ground whereas a high wing does not.
These differences- which do not have anything directly to do with stresses in the airframe- affect the pilot's decision-making process with respect to buying and flying a low wing instead of a high wing plane.
I invite the experts here to add their comments.
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For structural weight efficiency, tension wins because stiffness isn't a factor. This means, if structural efficiency is your top priority, a high wing, braced with struts, or for even less weight cables, wins.
With strut bracing, the major structural attachments are simple pin joints, and the highest stress component, the wing strut, is in tension except during reverse or negative loading where it's in compression, but where the requirement is less. There is moderate compression loading along the spar axis directed to the wing root, and along the upper spar cap at the strut attachment, but nothing like the compression stress in a fully cantilevered structure at the wing root.
And for best visualization, really take it to the extreme. Look at a paraglider. You can't compress a string. The wing is "high" and everthing is under tension load. And the whole thing weighs maybe 10lbs but can lift 200+, or 20+ times its weight.
Note that on cantilever high wing airplanes, like a military transport or a Dash 8, the placement of the wing has little structural advantage and there are other issues to favour one or the other, like loading etc.
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Cessna Cardinal is high wing with cantilever beam, no struts. Fixed gear and retractable. Pilot sits slightly ahead of the wing for a great view, and there are no struts to block the side view. Very nice plane to fly. Cessna 210 and P210 are also high wing strutless. I know the pins that hold the ends of the wing spar to the fuselage are pretty big. crossroadsfencing.com/airplane/painting%20pics/IMG_0563.JPG
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The intuitions depend on the application. Wood is very strong in compression, steel in tension. And we must also consider G loading forces, which only add to the situation.
Airplane designers, over the years, have learned to use sound fundamental structural concepts to advance from opposing tension cables (very strong, not aerodynamic) to cantilever design (loaded triangles in both tension and compression), distribution of load (stressed skin), and tubular design (arch strength), as well as improved building materials
such as aluminum, steel alloys, and titanium.
Although attachment to a high wing as opposed to resting on a low wing does make sense,
the greatest loads are on the wings themselves, and the parts of the fuselage bearing the bending force of elevator and rudder.
So you have a very strong fuselage either resting on or suspended from the wing spars.
Military transports seem to favor high wings, airliners low wings. No strong evidence for either case. But a lot of bolts will make it strong.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
The intuitions depend on the application. Wood is very strong in compression, steel in tension. And we must also consider G loading forces, which only add to the situation.
Airplane designers, over the years, have learned to use sound fundamental structural concepts to advance from opposing tension cables (very strong, not aerodynamic) to cantilever design (loaded triangles in both tension and compression), distribution of load (stressed skin), and tubular design (arch strength), as well as improved building materials
such as aluminum, steel alloys, and titanium.
Although attachment to a high wing as opposed to resting on a low wing does make sense,
the greatest loads are on the wings themselves, and the parts of the fuselage bearing the bending force of elevator and rudder.
So you have a very strong fuselage either resting on or suspended from the wing spars.
Military transports seem to favor high wings, airliners low wings. No strong evidence for either case. But a lot of bolts will make it strong.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The intuitions depend on the application. Wood is very strong in compression, steel in tension. And we must also consider G loading forces, which only add to the situation.
Airplane designers, over the years, have learned to use sound fundamental structural concepts to advance from opposing tension cables (very strong, not aerodynamic) to cantilever design (loaded triangles in both tension and compression), distribution of load (stressed skin), and tubular design (arch strength), as well as improved building materials
such as aluminum, steel alloys, and titanium.
Although attachment to a high wing as opposed to resting on a low wing does make sense,
the greatest loads are on the wings themselves, and the parts of the fuselage bearing the bending force of elevator and rudder.
So you have a very strong fuselage either resting on or suspended from the wing spars.
Military transports seem to favor high wings, airliners low wings. No strong evidence for either case. But a lot of bolts will make it strong.
$endgroup$
The intuitions depend on the application. Wood is very strong in compression, steel in tension. And we must also consider G loading forces, which only add to the situation.
Airplane designers, over the years, have learned to use sound fundamental structural concepts to advance from opposing tension cables (very strong, not aerodynamic) to cantilever design (loaded triangles in both tension and compression), distribution of load (stressed skin), and tubular design (arch strength), as well as improved building materials
such as aluminum, steel alloys, and titanium.
Although attachment to a high wing as opposed to resting on a low wing does make sense,
the greatest loads are on the wings themselves, and the parts of the fuselage bearing the bending force of elevator and rudder.
So you have a very strong fuselage either resting on or suspended from the wing spars.
Military transports seem to favor high wings, airliners low wings. No strong evidence for either case. But a lot of bolts will make it strong.
answered 1 hour ago
Robert DiGiovanniRobert DiGiovanni
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the tensile-versus-compressive stress issues have been worked out to a satisfactory degree many years ago, meaning that the loadpaths for high-versus-low wing aircraft really aren't design differentiators- but there are other issues, as follows.
Low wings furnish a natural location for a wide-stance main landing gear, making for stable landings and easy ground handling. But high wings are less prone to damage from striking rocks or bushes on the ground.
In a low wing layout you can position the pilot and copilot seats over the main wing spar so they do not reduce cabin room, whereas a main spar carry-through in a high wing layout might reduce headroom in the cabin. However, a low wing interferes with the pilot's view of the ground whereas a high wing does not.
These differences- which do not have anything directly to do with stresses in the airframe- affect the pilot's decision-making process with respect to buying and flying a low wing instead of a high wing plane.
I invite the experts here to add their comments.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
the tensile-versus-compressive stress issues have been worked out to a satisfactory degree many years ago, meaning that the loadpaths for high-versus-low wing aircraft really aren't design differentiators- but there are other issues, as follows.
Low wings furnish a natural location for a wide-stance main landing gear, making for stable landings and easy ground handling. But high wings are less prone to damage from striking rocks or bushes on the ground.
In a low wing layout you can position the pilot and copilot seats over the main wing spar so they do not reduce cabin room, whereas a main spar carry-through in a high wing layout might reduce headroom in the cabin. However, a low wing interferes with the pilot's view of the ground whereas a high wing does not.
These differences- which do not have anything directly to do with stresses in the airframe- affect the pilot's decision-making process with respect to buying and flying a low wing instead of a high wing plane.
I invite the experts here to add their comments.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
the tensile-versus-compressive stress issues have been worked out to a satisfactory degree many years ago, meaning that the loadpaths for high-versus-low wing aircraft really aren't design differentiators- but there are other issues, as follows.
Low wings furnish a natural location for a wide-stance main landing gear, making for stable landings and easy ground handling. But high wings are less prone to damage from striking rocks or bushes on the ground.
In a low wing layout you can position the pilot and copilot seats over the main wing spar so they do not reduce cabin room, whereas a main spar carry-through in a high wing layout might reduce headroom in the cabin. However, a low wing interferes with the pilot's view of the ground whereas a high wing does not.
These differences- which do not have anything directly to do with stresses in the airframe- affect the pilot's decision-making process with respect to buying and flying a low wing instead of a high wing plane.
I invite the experts here to add their comments.
$endgroup$
the tensile-versus-compressive stress issues have been worked out to a satisfactory degree many years ago, meaning that the loadpaths for high-versus-low wing aircraft really aren't design differentiators- but there are other issues, as follows.
Low wings furnish a natural location for a wide-stance main landing gear, making for stable landings and easy ground handling. But high wings are less prone to damage from striking rocks or bushes on the ground.
In a low wing layout you can position the pilot and copilot seats over the main wing spar so they do not reduce cabin room, whereas a main spar carry-through in a high wing layout might reduce headroom in the cabin. However, a low wing interferes with the pilot's view of the ground whereas a high wing does not.
These differences- which do not have anything directly to do with stresses in the airframe- affect the pilot's decision-making process with respect to buying and flying a low wing instead of a high wing plane.
I invite the experts here to add their comments.
answered 1 hour ago
niels nielsenniels nielsen
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For structural weight efficiency, tension wins because stiffness isn't a factor. This means, if structural efficiency is your top priority, a high wing, braced with struts, or for even less weight cables, wins.
With strut bracing, the major structural attachments are simple pin joints, and the highest stress component, the wing strut, is in tension except during reverse or negative loading where it's in compression, but where the requirement is less. There is moderate compression loading along the spar axis directed to the wing root, and along the upper spar cap at the strut attachment, but nothing like the compression stress in a fully cantilevered structure at the wing root.
And for best visualization, really take it to the extreme. Look at a paraglider. You can't compress a string. The wing is "high" and everthing is under tension load. And the whole thing weighs maybe 10lbs but can lift 200+, or 20+ times its weight.
Note that on cantilever high wing airplanes, like a military transport or a Dash 8, the placement of the wing has little structural advantage and there are other issues to favour one or the other, like loading etc.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Cessna Cardinal is high wing with cantilever beam, no struts. Fixed gear and retractable. Pilot sits slightly ahead of the wing for a great view, and there are no struts to block the side view. Very nice plane to fly. Cessna 210 and P210 are also high wing strutless. I know the pins that hold the ends of the wing spar to the fuselage are pretty big. crossroadsfencing.com/airplane/painting%20pics/IMG_0563.JPG
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– CrossRoads
6 mins ago
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$begingroup$
For structural weight efficiency, tension wins because stiffness isn't a factor. This means, if structural efficiency is your top priority, a high wing, braced with struts, or for even less weight cables, wins.
With strut bracing, the major structural attachments are simple pin joints, and the highest stress component, the wing strut, is in tension except during reverse or negative loading where it's in compression, but where the requirement is less. There is moderate compression loading along the spar axis directed to the wing root, and along the upper spar cap at the strut attachment, but nothing like the compression stress in a fully cantilevered structure at the wing root.
And for best visualization, really take it to the extreme. Look at a paraglider. You can't compress a string. The wing is "high" and everthing is under tension load. And the whole thing weighs maybe 10lbs but can lift 200+, or 20+ times its weight.
Note that on cantilever high wing airplanes, like a military transport or a Dash 8, the placement of the wing has little structural advantage and there are other issues to favour one or the other, like loading etc.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Cessna Cardinal is high wing with cantilever beam, no struts. Fixed gear and retractable. Pilot sits slightly ahead of the wing for a great view, and there are no struts to block the side view. Very nice plane to fly. Cessna 210 and P210 are also high wing strutless. I know the pins that hold the ends of the wing spar to the fuselage are pretty big. crossroadsfencing.com/airplane/painting%20pics/IMG_0563.JPG
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– CrossRoads
6 mins ago
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$begingroup$
For structural weight efficiency, tension wins because stiffness isn't a factor. This means, if structural efficiency is your top priority, a high wing, braced with struts, or for even less weight cables, wins.
With strut bracing, the major structural attachments are simple pin joints, and the highest stress component, the wing strut, is in tension except during reverse or negative loading where it's in compression, but where the requirement is less. There is moderate compression loading along the spar axis directed to the wing root, and along the upper spar cap at the strut attachment, but nothing like the compression stress in a fully cantilevered structure at the wing root.
And for best visualization, really take it to the extreme. Look at a paraglider. You can't compress a string. The wing is "high" and everthing is under tension load. And the whole thing weighs maybe 10lbs but can lift 200+, or 20+ times its weight.
Note that on cantilever high wing airplanes, like a military transport or a Dash 8, the placement of the wing has little structural advantage and there are other issues to favour one or the other, like loading etc.
$endgroup$
For structural weight efficiency, tension wins because stiffness isn't a factor. This means, if structural efficiency is your top priority, a high wing, braced with struts, or for even less weight cables, wins.
With strut bracing, the major structural attachments are simple pin joints, and the highest stress component, the wing strut, is in tension except during reverse or negative loading where it's in compression, but where the requirement is less. There is moderate compression loading along the spar axis directed to the wing root, and along the upper spar cap at the strut attachment, but nothing like the compression stress in a fully cantilevered structure at the wing root.
And for best visualization, really take it to the extreme. Look at a paraglider. You can't compress a string. The wing is "high" and everthing is under tension load. And the whole thing weighs maybe 10lbs but can lift 200+, or 20+ times its weight.
Note that on cantilever high wing airplanes, like a military transport or a Dash 8, the placement of the wing has little structural advantage and there are other issues to favour one or the other, like loading etc.
answered 26 mins ago
John KJohn K
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Cessna Cardinal is high wing with cantilever beam, no struts. Fixed gear and retractable. Pilot sits slightly ahead of the wing for a great view, and there are no struts to block the side view. Very nice plane to fly. Cessna 210 and P210 are also high wing strutless. I know the pins that hold the ends of the wing spar to the fuselage are pretty big. crossroadsfencing.com/airplane/painting%20pics/IMG_0563.JPG
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– CrossRoads
6 mins ago
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$begingroup$
Cessna Cardinal is high wing with cantilever beam, no struts. Fixed gear and retractable. Pilot sits slightly ahead of the wing for a great view, and there are no struts to block the side view. Very nice plane to fly. Cessna 210 and P210 are also high wing strutless. I know the pins that hold the ends of the wing spar to the fuselage are pretty big. crossroadsfencing.com/airplane/painting%20pics/IMG_0563.JPG
$endgroup$
– CrossRoads
6 mins ago
$begingroup$
Cessna Cardinal is high wing with cantilever beam, no struts. Fixed gear and retractable. Pilot sits slightly ahead of the wing for a great view, and there are no struts to block the side view. Very nice plane to fly. Cessna 210 and P210 are also high wing strutless. I know the pins that hold the ends of the wing spar to the fuselage are pretty big. crossroadsfencing.com/airplane/painting%20pics/IMG_0563.JPG
$endgroup$
– CrossRoads
6 mins ago
$begingroup$
Cessna Cardinal is high wing with cantilever beam, no struts. Fixed gear and retractable. Pilot sits slightly ahead of the wing for a great view, and there are no struts to block the side view. Very nice plane to fly. Cessna 210 and P210 are also high wing strutless. I know the pins that hold the ends of the wing spar to the fuselage are pretty big. crossroadsfencing.com/airplane/painting%20pics/IMG_0563.JPG
$endgroup$
– CrossRoads
6 mins ago
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