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I want to extend the above question further by asking how do recruiters find jobs for people? Do they simply search job portals all day long and match your skills to them or know a lot of people who matter? If there is an openly advertised position in a company, then why should the recruiter get a "big" cut of my pay? I'd rather bypass him and pay him a reasonable, fixed amount for his efforts instead of letting him take a cut in perpetuity or for long.



If he gets me a job that is "good", but poorly advertised or advertised only to recruiter, then I would negotiate a percentage for a short period of time.



How can one justify recruiters taking 20-30% of a person's salary forever?










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    @JoeStrazzere - I know some small consulting companies which do this :) Some even gobble 50% of the hourly rate for a year or so. They are recruiters of sorts.

    – Steam
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  • @JoeStrazzere - btw, some of these folks are in the us.

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  • @JoeStrazzere - yeah, contractors being hired through a recruiter is a different matter, then the fee will be a percentage of the contractor's rate. But that's not "forever", since contractors are generally not hired indefinitely.

    – Carson63000
    Apr 5 '14 at 21:55











  • @Carson63000 - how long is a "contract". I know people who have worked like this for 2-3 years.

    – Steam
    Apr 5 '14 at 21:57






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    @blasto - in my experience, that's unusual, and usually due to budget tomfoolery at the employer's end (i.e. a manager does not have the budget to hire another full-time person, but he can hire a contractor for years on end for twice as much money because that comes from a different budget).

    – Carson63000
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I read Is it wrong to apply to a company directly when a recruiter told me about the job first.



I want to extend the above question further by asking how do recruiters find jobs for people? Do they simply search job portals all day long and match your skills to them or know a lot of people who matter? If there is an openly advertised position in a company, then why should the recruiter get a "big" cut of my pay? I'd rather bypass him and pay him a reasonable, fixed amount for his efforts instead of letting him take a cut in perpetuity or for long.



If he gets me a job that is "good", but poorly advertised or advertised only to recruiter, then I would negotiate a percentage for a short period of time.



How can one justify recruiters taking 20-30% of a person's salary forever?










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    @JoeStrazzere - I know some small consulting companies which do this :) Some even gobble 50% of the hourly rate for a year or so. They are recruiters of sorts.

    – Steam
    Apr 5 '14 at 21:54












  • @JoeStrazzere - btw, some of these folks are in the us.

    – Steam
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  • @JoeStrazzere - yeah, contractors being hired through a recruiter is a different matter, then the fee will be a percentage of the contractor's rate. But that's not "forever", since contractors are generally not hired indefinitely.

    – Carson63000
    Apr 5 '14 at 21:55











  • @Carson63000 - how long is a "contract". I know people who have worked like this for 2-3 years.

    – Steam
    Apr 5 '14 at 21:57






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    @blasto - in my experience, that's unusual, and usually due to budget tomfoolery at the employer's end (i.e. a manager does not have the budget to hire another full-time person, but he can hire a contractor for years on end for twice as much money because that comes from a different budget).

    – Carson63000
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I read Is it wrong to apply to a company directly when a recruiter told me about the job first.



I want to extend the above question further by asking how do recruiters find jobs for people? Do they simply search job portals all day long and match your skills to them or know a lot of people who matter? If there is an openly advertised position in a company, then why should the recruiter get a "big" cut of my pay? I'd rather bypass him and pay him a reasonable, fixed amount for his efforts instead of letting him take a cut in perpetuity or for long.



If he gets me a job that is "good", but poorly advertised or advertised only to recruiter, then I would negotiate a percentage for a short period of time.



How can one justify recruiters taking 20-30% of a person's salary forever?










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I read Is it wrong to apply to a company directly when a recruiter told me about the job first.



I want to extend the above question further by asking how do recruiters find jobs for people? Do they simply search job portals all day long and match your skills to them or know a lot of people who matter? If there is an openly advertised position in a company, then why should the recruiter get a "big" cut of my pay? I'd rather bypass him and pay him a reasonable, fixed amount for his efforts instead of letting him take a cut in perpetuity or for long.



If he gets me a job that is "good", but poorly advertised or advertised only to recruiter, then I would negotiate a percentage for a short period of time.



How can one justify recruiters taking 20-30% of a person's salary forever?







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    @JoeStrazzere - I know some small consulting companies which do this :) Some even gobble 50% of the hourly rate for a year or so. They are recruiters of sorts.

    – Steam
    Apr 5 '14 at 21:54












  • @JoeStrazzere - btw, some of these folks are in the us.

    – Steam
    Apr 5 '14 at 21:55











  • @JoeStrazzere - yeah, contractors being hired through a recruiter is a different matter, then the fee will be a percentage of the contractor's rate. But that's not "forever", since contractors are generally not hired indefinitely.

    – Carson63000
    Apr 5 '14 at 21:55











  • @Carson63000 - how long is a "contract". I know people who have worked like this for 2-3 years.

    – Steam
    Apr 5 '14 at 21:57






  • 1





    @blasto - in my experience, that's unusual, and usually due to budget tomfoolery at the employer's end (i.e. a manager does not have the budget to hire another full-time person, but he can hire a contractor for years on end for twice as much money because that comes from a different budget).

    – Carson63000
    Apr 5 '14 at 22:00












  • 2





    @JoeStrazzere - I know some small consulting companies which do this :) Some even gobble 50% of the hourly rate for a year or so. They are recruiters of sorts.

    – Steam
    Apr 5 '14 at 21:54












  • @JoeStrazzere - btw, some of these folks are in the us.

    – Steam
    Apr 5 '14 at 21:55











  • @JoeStrazzere - yeah, contractors being hired through a recruiter is a different matter, then the fee will be a percentage of the contractor's rate. But that's not "forever", since contractors are generally not hired indefinitely.

    – Carson63000
    Apr 5 '14 at 21:55











  • @Carson63000 - how long is a "contract". I know people who have worked like this for 2-3 years.

    – Steam
    Apr 5 '14 at 21:57






  • 1





    @blasto - in my experience, that's unusual, and usually due to budget tomfoolery at the employer's end (i.e. a manager does not have the budget to hire another full-time person, but he can hire a contractor for years on end for twice as much money because that comes from a different budget).

    – Carson63000
    Apr 5 '14 at 22:00







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@JoeStrazzere - I know some small consulting companies which do this :) Some even gobble 50% of the hourly rate for a year or so. They are recruiters of sorts.

– Steam
Apr 5 '14 at 21:54






@JoeStrazzere - I know some small consulting companies which do this :) Some even gobble 50% of the hourly rate for a year or so. They are recruiters of sorts.

– Steam
Apr 5 '14 at 21:54














@JoeStrazzere - btw, some of these folks are in the us.

– Steam
Apr 5 '14 at 21:55





@JoeStrazzere - btw, some of these folks are in the us.

– Steam
Apr 5 '14 at 21:55













@JoeStrazzere - yeah, contractors being hired through a recruiter is a different matter, then the fee will be a percentage of the contractor's rate. But that's not "forever", since contractors are generally not hired indefinitely.

– Carson63000
Apr 5 '14 at 21:55





@JoeStrazzere - yeah, contractors being hired through a recruiter is a different matter, then the fee will be a percentage of the contractor's rate. But that's not "forever", since contractors are generally not hired indefinitely.

– Carson63000
Apr 5 '14 at 21:55













@Carson63000 - how long is a "contract". I know people who have worked like this for 2-3 years.

– Steam
Apr 5 '14 at 21:57





@Carson63000 - how long is a "contract". I know people who have worked like this for 2-3 years.

– Steam
Apr 5 '14 at 21:57




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@blasto - in my experience, that's unusual, and usually due to budget tomfoolery at the employer's end (i.e. a manager does not have the budget to hire another full-time person, but he can hire a contractor for years on end for twice as much money because that comes from a different budget).

– Carson63000
Apr 5 '14 at 22:00





@blasto - in my experience, that's unusual, and usually due to budget tomfoolery at the employer's end (i.e. a manager does not have the budget to hire another full-time person, but he can hire a contractor for years on end for twice as much money because that comes from a different budget).

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First, it's unlikely that a recruiter is going to get 20-30% of a person's salary forever. If we're talking about the US, it's more likely that the recruiter is going to be paid something like 15-25% of the candidate's first year base pay. They're not going to make money in perpituity.



Second, the recruiter isn't getting money that the candidate would otherwise get. Generally, the fees paid to recruiters are coming from the company and from a completely separate budget from the fees than the budget that is paying a candidate's salary. It's unlikely that you'd make any more if you apply directly rather than going through a recruiter.



Third, recruiters are hired by companies to find candidates. Generally, this means that the recruiter is taking on some of the HR functions that the company would otherwise have to perform. The recruiter is potentially wading through the crush of resumes that come in when they post a position on some job site. The recruiter may be searching job sites looking for candidates that would look to be good fits for the position. The recruiter is potentially doing the first round of interviews to find a suitable candidate which can often involve understanding in more detail what the company is really looking for and what the candidate is looking for in order to find a successful match. And the recruiter is potentially leveraging his or her contacts to find candidates that are potentially not actively looking for a new position but that might be interested in specific opportunities.



If what you are talking about is really a contracting company that is taking a cut of the billable rate, it's certainly possible to go around them. However, you're likely to find that the financial benefit is much smaller than what you might imagine.



First, the sort of companies that are working with large consulting companies are typically doing so in order to quickly get large numbers of temporary staff members quickly. When a company needs, say, 30 Java developers for a 9 month project, they don't want to go out and find and hire 30 freelance Java developers, it's much more convenient for them to call up Giant Contracting House and have 30 developers show up in a couple of weeks. This also makes ongoing administration much easier-- it's much cheaper all around for a company to process 1 invoice for 30 developers rather than 30 separate invoices going to 30 separate freelance developers. Since these large companies are generally more willing to pay higher rates than are smaller companies, some of the company's cut goes to finding, courting, and retaining these sorts of opportunities. Another part of the company's cut goes to doing the work in advance to have, in this case, 30 Java developers on the bench ready to be deployed at relatively short notice. A third part of the cut comes from the company's ability to negotiate from a place of strength-- a company providing 30 Java developers is generally going to be able to negotiate a higher rate than an individual freelancer would.



Second, the contracting company is handling the process of invoicing and is undoubtedly paying the contractors before the client pays them. Most freelancers have plenty of stories about dealing with invoices that got lost, clients that started paying later and later, or clients that went bankrupt shortly after paying an invoice where the money had to be paid back. Some of the company's cut goes to dealing with this aggravation and uncertainty and to ensuring that the contract resources are being paid on time whether the client is up to date or not.



Third, the contracting company is often paying some sort of salary while a resource is between contracts, it is often paying some of the taxes that a contractor would otherwise be paying (i.e. the employer's portion of the social security and Medicare taxes), and is often providing some sort of benefits whether that is just professional training, health insurance, etc. That overhead can easily be a substantial expense.



If you believe that the deal the company is offering is a poor one, you can, of course, decide to freelance. That means that you'd be spending a decent amount of time working to build and maintain relationships with potential clients rather than creating billable work. You'd be spending time dealing with unpaid invoices and you'd be responsible for ensuring that you have enough cash on hand to pay your bills while you wait for your outstanding invoices to be paid or to deal with refunding money to a bankrupt client. And you'd be responsible for everything that the contracting company provides. Just how much that's worth is, of course, a highly variable decision. Some folks are great developers that are also adept at marketing themselves and can create a very profitable niche for themselves with clients that pay high rates and always pay on time. But that's not the experience of the majority-- you'd need to decide whether you could get 70-80% of the rate the contracting company can and whether the extra hours and effort that a freelancer would need to invest are worth that overhead.






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    Good answer! But I'd add a mention of the How do recruiters find jobs for people ? Do they simply search job portals all day long and match your skills to them? part of the question by explicitly pointing out that the employers engage the recruiters to find them people; the recruiters do not look for job ads that employers have already posted to the public.

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  • Actually, 20-30% is not unheard of. My wife works as a contractor through an agency which makes 100% of what she takes home. Meaning for every dollar the client pays, the agency gets 50 cents and she gets 50 cents. This is very common in IT especially when the clients are large organizations.

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    @Brandon contracting agencies are a little different from recruiters. 10 years ago I paid 33% of first year salary to find a particular technical specialist, but now with easier online searches the agency typically gets <20%

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  • @Carson63000 That's not strictly true. At least not here in the UK. We recently posted job adverts on job websites to recruit a new developer and had several recruitment agencies call us up because of it. We didn't go to them, they came to us.

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  • By bypassing the recruiter you can get what would have been the recruiters fee as a sign on bonus. So there is an incentive to do it yourself.

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If you don't feel like going thru recruiters, you approach the companies yourself. These days many larger firms post their job openings on the web, with instructions on how to apply if qualified and interested.



You can also do a search at a library's reference desk to find the directors in charge of various divisions and try a "cold call" letter straight to them. If you're lucky they drop it to HR, but since it came from the director's office it may bypass a screening or two. If you're very lucky you might actually wind up talking to the director -- I once had a nice 15-minute chat with CDC's Director of Research, who apparently preferred to answer his own phone (I was just trying to reach his administrative assistant to check that I had the name and mailing address right).



Also check with your alma mater; the placement office's resources are often available to alumni.



And so on. I'm not an expert at this by any means -- after the first, all my job searches have been internal -- but I had access to some literature from an "executive outplacement" firm (the folks hired to help surplus vice-presidents line up their next gig) and I adapted some of their tricks for my own use; the "top-down" contact attempt being one of them.






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    I used to believe that recruiter pay came from a separate budget as a lot of recruiters would usually explain it this way. Then I had two separate experiences that proved that to be totally untrue. It also doesn’t take much to realize on your own that it’s not true. There is no “magical” recruiting budget. Having hiring 9 rockstars for my company I know for a fact, recruiter pay comes off the top of a salary. One way or another. Do NOT let them perpetuate this lie.






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      First, it's unlikely that a recruiter is going to get 20-30% of a person's salary forever. If we're talking about the US, it's more likely that the recruiter is going to be paid something like 15-25% of the candidate's first year base pay. They're not going to make money in perpituity.



      Second, the recruiter isn't getting money that the candidate would otherwise get. Generally, the fees paid to recruiters are coming from the company and from a completely separate budget from the fees than the budget that is paying a candidate's salary. It's unlikely that you'd make any more if you apply directly rather than going through a recruiter.



      Third, recruiters are hired by companies to find candidates. Generally, this means that the recruiter is taking on some of the HR functions that the company would otherwise have to perform. The recruiter is potentially wading through the crush of resumes that come in when they post a position on some job site. The recruiter may be searching job sites looking for candidates that would look to be good fits for the position. The recruiter is potentially doing the first round of interviews to find a suitable candidate which can often involve understanding in more detail what the company is really looking for and what the candidate is looking for in order to find a successful match. And the recruiter is potentially leveraging his or her contacts to find candidates that are potentially not actively looking for a new position but that might be interested in specific opportunities.



      If what you are talking about is really a contracting company that is taking a cut of the billable rate, it's certainly possible to go around them. However, you're likely to find that the financial benefit is much smaller than what you might imagine.



      First, the sort of companies that are working with large consulting companies are typically doing so in order to quickly get large numbers of temporary staff members quickly. When a company needs, say, 30 Java developers for a 9 month project, they don't want to go out and find and hire 30 freelance Java developers, it's much more convenient for them to call up Giant Contracting House and have 30 developers show up in a couple of weeks. This also makes ongoing administration much easier-- it's much cheaper all around for a company to process 1 invoice for 30 developers rather than 30 separate invoices going to 30 separate freelance developers. Since these large companies are generally more willing to pay higher rates than are smaller companies, some of the company's cut goes to finding, courting, and retaining these sorts of opportunities. Another part of the company's cut goes to doing the work in advance to have, in this case, 30 Java developers on the bench ready to be deployed at relatively short notice. A third part of the cut comes from the company's ability to negotiate from a place of strength-- a company providing 30 Java developers is generally going to be able to negotiate a higher rate than an individual freelancer would.



      Second, the contracting company is handling the process of invoicing and is undoubtedly paying the contractors before the client pays them. Most freelancers have plenty of stories about dealing with invoices that got lost, clients that started paying later and later, or clients that went bankrupt shortly after paying an invoice where the money had to be paid back. Some of the company's cut goes to dealing with this aggravation and uncertainty and to ensuring that the contract resources are being paid on time whether the client is up to date or not.



      Third, the contracting company is often paying some sort of salary while a resource is between contracts, it is often paying some of the taxes that a contractor would otherwise be paying (i.e. the employer's portion of the social security and Medicare taxes), and is often providing some sort of benefits whether that is just professional training, health insurance, etc. That overhead can easily be a substantial expense.



      If you believe that the deal the company is offering is a poor one, you can, of course, decide to freelance. That means that you'd be spending a decent amount of time working to build and maintain relationships with potential clients rather than creating billable work. You'd be spending time dealing with unpaid invoices and you'd be responsible for ensuring that you have enough cash on hand to pay your bills while you wait for your outstanding invoices to be paid or to deal with refunding money to a bankrupt client. And you'd be responsible for everything that the contracting company provides. Just how much that's worth is, of course, a highly variable decision. Some folks are great developers that are also adept at marketing themselves and can create a very profitable niche for themselves with clients that pay high rates and always pay on time. But that's not the experience of the majority-- you'd need to decide whether you could get 70-80% of the rate the contracting company can and whether the extra hours and effort that a freelancer would need to invest are worth that overhead.






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        Good answer! But I'd add a mention of the How do recruiters find jobs for people ? Do they simply search job portals all day long and match your skills to them? part of the question by explicitly pointing out that the employers engage the recruiters to find them people; the recruiters do not look for job ads that employers have already posted to the public.

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      • Actually, 20-30% is not unheard of. My wife works as a contractor through an agency which makes 100% of what she takes home. Meaning for every dollar the client pays, the agency gets 50 cents and she gets 50 cents. This is very common in IT especially when the clients are large organizations.

        – Brandon
        Apr 6 '14 at 0:10






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        @Brandon contracting agencies are a little different from recruiters. 10 years ago I paid 33% of first year salary to find a particular technical specialist, but now with easier online searches the agency typically gets <20%

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      • @Carson63000 That's not strictly true. At least not here in the UK. We recently posted job adverts on job websites to recruit a new developer and had several recruitment agencies call us up because of it. We didn't go to them, they came to us.

        – Styphon
        Apr 6 '14 at 17:10











      • By bypassing the recruiter you can get what would have been the recruiters fee as a sign on bonus. So there is an incentive to do it yourself.

        – Martin York
        Aug 15 '15 at 5:03















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      First, it's unlikely that a recruiter is going to get 20-30% of a person's salary forever. If we're talking about the US, it's more likely that the recruiter is going to be paid something like 15-25% of the candidate's first year base pay. They're not going to make money in perpituity.



      Second, the recruiter isn't getting money that the candidate would otherwise get. Generally, the fees paid to recruiters are coming from the company and from a completely separate budget from the fees than the budget that is paying a candidate's salary. It's unlikely that you'd make any more if you apply directly rather than going through a recruiter.



      Third, recruiters are hired by companies to find candidates. Generally, this means that the recruiter is taking on some of the HR functions that the company would otherwise have to perform. The recruiter is potentially wading through the crush of resumes that come in when they post a position on some job site. The recruiter may be searching job sites looking for candidates that would look to be good fits for the position. The recruiter is potentially doing the first round of interviews to find a suitable candidate which can often involve understanding in more detail what the company is really looking for and what the candidate is looking for in order to find a successful match. And the recruiter is potentially leveraging his or her contacts to find candidates that are potentially not actively looking for a new position but that might be interested in specific opportunities.



      If what you are talking about is really a contracting company that is taking a cut of the billable rate, it's certainly possible to go around them. However, you're likely to find that the financial benefit is much smaller than what you might imagine.



      First, the sort of companies that are working with large consulting companies are typically doing so in order to quickly get large numbers of temporary staff members quickly. When a company needs, say, 30 Java developers for a 9 month project, they don't want to go out and find and hire 30 freelance Java developers, it's much more convenient for them to call up Giant Contracting House and have 30 developers show up in a couple of weeks. This also makes ongoing administration much easier-- it's much cheaper all around for a company to process 1 invoice for 30 developers rather than 30 separate invoices going to 30 separate freelance developers. Since these large companies are generally more willing to pay higher rates than are smaller companies, some of the company's cut goes to finding, courting, and retaining these sorts of opportunities. Another part of the company's cut goes to doing the work in advance to have, in this case, 30 Java developers on the bench ready to be deployed at relatively short notice. A third part of the cut comes from the company's ability to negotiate from a place of strength-- a company providing 30 Java developers is generally going to be able to negotiate a higher rate than an individual freelancer would.



      Second, the contracting company is handling the process of invoicing and is undoubtedly paying the contractors before the client pays them. Most freelancers have plenty of stories about dealing with invoices that got lost, clients that started paying later and later, or clients that went bankrupt shortly after paying an invoice where the money had to be paid back. Some of the company's cut goes to dealing with this aggravation and uncertainty and to ensuring that the contract resources are being paid on time whether the client is up to date or not.



      Third, the contracting company is often paying some sort of salary while a resource is between contracts, it is often paying some of the taxes that a contractor would otherwise be paying (i.e. the employer's portion of the social security and Medicare taxes), and is often providing some sort of benefits whether that is just professional training, health insurance, etc. That overhead can easily be a substantial expense.



      If you believe that the deal the company is offering is a poor one, you can, of course, decide to freelance. That means that you'd be spending a decent amount of time working to build and maintain relationships with potential clients rather than creating billable work. You'd be spending time dealing with unpaid invoices and you'd be responsible for ensuring that you have enough cash on hand to pay your bills while you wait for your outstanding invoices to be paid or to deal with refunding money to a bankrupt client. And you'd be responsible for everything that the contracting company provides. Just how much that's worth is, of course, a highly variable decision. Some folks are great developers that are also adept at marketing themselves and can create a very profitable niche for themselves with clients that pay high rates and always pay on time. But that's not the experience of the majority-- you'd need to decide whether you could get 70-80% of the rate the contracting company can and whether the extra hours and effort that a freelancer would need to invest are worth that overhead.






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        Good answer! But I'd add a mention of the How do recruiters find jobs for people ? Do they simply search job portals all day long and match your skills to them? part of the question by explicitly pointing out that the employers engage the recruiters to find them people; the recruiters do not look for job ads that employers have already posted to the public.

        – Carson63000
        Apr 5 '14 at 21:53











      • Actually, 20-30% is not unheard of. My wife works as a contractor through an agency which makes 100% of what she takes home. Meaning for every dollar the client pays, the agency gets 50 cents and she gets 50 cents. This is very common in IT especially when the clients are large organizations.

        – Brandon
        Apr 6 '14 at 0:10






      • 1





        @Brandon contracting agencies are a little different from recruiters. 10 years ago I paid 33% of first year salary to find a particular technical specialist, but now with easier online searches the agency typically gets <20%

        – NobodySpecial
        Apr 6 '14 at 15:42











      • @Carson63000 That's not strictly true. At least not here in the UK. We recently posted job adverts on job websites to recruit a new developer and had several recruitment agencies call us up because of it. We didn't go to them, they came to us.

        – Styphon
        Apr 6 '14 at 17:10











      • By bypassing the recruiter you can get what would have been the recruiters fee as a sign on bonus. So there is an incentive to do it yourself.

        – Martin York
        Aug 15 '15 at 5:03













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      First, it's unlikely that a recruiter is going to get 20-30% of a person's salary forever. If we're talking about the US, it's more likely that the recruiter is going to be paid something like 15-25% of the candidate's first year base pay. They're not going to make money in perpituity.



      Second, the recruiter isn't getting money that the candidate would otherwise get. Generally, the fees paid to recruiters are coming from the company and from a completely separate budget from the fees than the budget that is paying a candidate's salary. It's unlikely that you'd make any more if you apply directly rather than going through a recruiter.



      Third, recruiters are hired by companies to find candidates. Generally, this means that the recruiter is taking on some of the HR functions that the company would otherwise have to perform. The recruiter is potentially wading through the crush of resumes that come in when they post a position on some job site. The recruiter may be searching job sites looking for candidates that would look to be good fits for the position. The recruiter is potentially doing the first round of interviews to find a suitable candidate which can often involve understanding in more detail what the company is really looking for and what the candidate is looking for in order to find a successful match. And the recruiter is potentially leveraging his or her contacts to find candidates that are potentially not actively looking for a new position but that might be interested in specific opportunities.



      If what you are talking about is really a contracting company that is taking a cut of the billable rate, it's certainly possible to go around them. However, you're likely to find that the financial benefit is much smaller than what you might imagine.



      First, the sort of companies that are working with large consulting companies are typically doing so in order to quickly get large numbers of temporary staff members quickly. When a company needs, say, 30 Java developers for a 9 month project, they don't want to go out and find and hire 30 freelance Java developers, it's much more convenient for them to call up Giant Contracting House and have 30 developers show up in a couple of weeks. This also makes ongoing administration much easier-- it's much cheaper all around for a company to process 1 invoice for 30 developers rather than 30 separate invoices going to 30 separate freelance developers. Since these large companies are generally more willing to pay higher rates than are smaller companies, some of the company's cut goes to finding, courting, and retaining these sorts of opportunities. Another part of the company's cut goes to doing the work in advance to have, in this case, 30 Java developers on the bench ready to be deployed at relatively short notice. A third part of the cut comes from the company's ability to negotiate from a place of strength-- a company providing 30 Java developers is generally going to be able to negotiate a higher rate than an individual freelancer would.



      Second, the contracting company is handling the process of invoicing and is undoubtedly paying the contractors before the client pays them. Most freelancers have plenty of stories about dealing with invoices that got lost, clients that started paying later and later, or clients that went bankrupt shortly after paying an invoice where the money had to be paid back. Some of the company's cut goes to dealing with this aggravation and uncertainty and to ensuring that the contract resources are being paid on time whether the client is up to date or not.



      Third, the contracting company is often paying some sort of salary while a resource is between contracts, it is often paying some of the taxes that a contractor would otherwise be paying (i.e. the employer's portion of the social security and Medicare taxes), and is often providing some sort of benefits whether that is just professional training, health insurance, etc. That overhead can easily be a substantial expense.



      If you believe that the deal the company is offering is a poor one, you can, of course, decide to freelance. That means that you'd be spending a decent amount of time working to build and maintain relationships with potential clients rather than creating billable work. You'd be spending time dealing with unpaid invoices and you'd be responsible for ensuring that you have enough cash on hand to pay your bills while you wait for your outstanding invoices to be paid or to deal with refunding money to a bankrupt client. And you'd be responsible for everything that the contracting company provides. Just how much that's worth is, of course, a highly variable decision. Some folks are great developers that are also adept at marketing themselves and can create a very profitable niche for themselves with clients that pay high rates and always pay on time. But that's not the experience of the majority-- you'd need to decide whether you could get 70-80% of the rate the contracting company can and whether the extra hours and effort that a freelancer would need to invest are worth that overhead.






      share|improve this answer















      First, it's unlikely that a recruiter is going to get 20-30% of a person's salary forever. If we're talking about the US, it's more likely that the recruiter is going to be paid something like 15-25% of the candidate's first year base pay. They're not going to make money in perpituity.



      Second, the recruiter isn't getting money that the candidate would otherwise get. Generally, the fees paid to recruiters are coming from the company and from a completely separate budget from the fees than the budget that is paying a candidate's salary. It's unlikely that you'd make any more if you apply directly rather than going through a recruiter.



      Third, recruiters are hired by companies to find candidates. Generally, this means that the recruiter is taking on some of the HR functions that the company would otherwise have to perform. The recruiter is potentially wading through the crush of resumes that come in when they post a position on some job site. The recruiter may be searching job sites looking for candidates that would look to be good fits for the position. The recruiter is potentially doing the first round of interviews to find a suitable candidate which can often involve understanding in more detail what the company is really looking for and what the candidate is looking for in order to find a successful match. And the recruiter is potentially leveraging his or her contacts to find candidates that are potentially not actively looking for a new position but that might be interested in specific opportunities.



      If what you are talking about is really a contracting company that is taking a cut of the billable rate, it's certainly possible to go around them. However, you're likely to find that the financial benefit is much smaller than what you might imagine.



      First, the sort of companies that are working with large consulting companies are typically doing so in order to quickly get large numbers of temporary staff members quickly. When a company needs, say, 30 Java developers for a 9 month project, they don't want to go out and find and hire 30 freelance Java developers, it's much more convenient for them to call up Giant Contracting House and have 30 developers show up in a couple of weeks. This also makes ongoing administration much easier-- it's much cheaper all around for a company to process 1 invoice for 30 developers rather than 30 separate invoices going to 30 separate freelance developers. Since these large companies are generally more willing to pay higher rates than are smaller companies, some of the company's cut goes to finding, courting, and retaining these sorts of opportunities. Another part of the company's cut goes to doing the work in advance to have, in this case, 30 Java developers on the bench ready to be deployed at relatively short notice. A third part of the cut comes from the company's ability to negotiate from a place of strength-- a company providing 30 Java developers is generally going to be able to negotiate a higher rate than an individual freelancer would.



      Second, the contracting company is handling the process of invoicing and is undoubtedly paying the contractors before the client pays them. Most freelancers have plenty of stories about dealing with invoices that got lost, clients that started paying later and later, or clients that went bankrupt shortly after paying an invoice where the money had to be paid back. Some of the company's cut goes to dealing with this aggravation and uncertainty and to ensuring that the contract resources are being paid on time whether the client is up to date or not.



      Third, the contracting company is often paying some sort of salary while a resource is between contracts, it is often paying some of the taxes that a contractor would otherwise be paying (i.e. the employer's portion of the social security and Medicare taxes), and is often providing some sort of benefits whether that is just professional training, health insurance, etc. That overhead can easily be a substantial expense.



      If you believe that the deal the company is offering is a poor one, you can, of course, decide to freelance. That means that you'd be spending a decent amount of time working to build and maintain relationships with potential clients rather than creating billable work. You'd be spending time dealing with unpaid invoices and you'd be responsible for ensuring that you have enough cash on hand to pay your bills while you wait for your outstanding invoices to be paid or to deal with refunding money to a bankrupt client. And you'd be responsible for everything that the contracting company provides. Just how much that's worth is, of course, a highly variable decision. Some folks are great developers that are also adept at marketing themselves and can create a very profitable niche for themselves with clients that pay high rates and always pay on time. But that's not the experience of the majority-- you'd need to decide whether you could get 70-80% of the rate the contracting company can and whether the extra hours and effort that a freelancer would need to invest are worth that overhead.







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        Good answer! But I'd add a mention of the How do recruiters find jobs for people ? Do they simply search job portals all day long and match your skills to them? part of the question by explicitly pointing out that the employers engage the recruiters to find them people; the recruiters do not look for job ads that employers have already posted to the public.

        – Carson63000
        Apr 5 '14 at 21:53











      • Actually, 20-30% is not unheard of. My wife works as a contractor through an agency which makes 100% of what she takes home. Meaning for every dollar the client pays, the agency gets 50 cents and she gets 50 cents. This is very common in IT especially when the clients are large organizations.

        – Brandon
        Apr 6 '14 at 0:10






      • 1





        @Brandon contracting agencies are a little different from recruiters. 10 years ago I paid 33% of first year salary to find a particular technical specialist, but now with easier online searches the agency typically gets <20%

        – NobodySpecial
        Apr 6 '14 at 15:42











      • @Carson63000 That's not strictly true. At least not here in the UK. We recently posted job adverts on job websites to recruit a new developer and had several recruitment agencies call us up because of it. We didn't go to them, they came to us.

        – Styphon
        Apr 6 '14 at 17:10











      • By bypassing the recruiter you can get what would have been the recruiters fee as a sign on bonus. So there is an incentive to do it yourself.

        – Martin York
        Aug 15 '15 at 5:03












      • 1





        Good answer! But I'd add a mention of the How do recruiters find jobs for people ? Do they simply search job portals all day long and match your skills to them? part of the question by explicitly pointing out that the employers engage the recruiters to find them people; the recruiters do not look for job ads that employers have already posted to the public.

        – Carson63000
        Apr 5 '14 at 21:53











      • Actually, 20-30% is not unheard of. My wife works as a contractor through an agency which makes 100% of what she takes home. Meaning for every dollar the client pays, the agency gets 50 cents and she gets 50 cents. This is very common in IT especially when the clients are large organizations.

        – Brandon
        Apr 6 '14 at 0:10






      • 1





        @Brandon contracting agencies are a little different from recruiters. 10 years ago I paid 33% of first year salary to find a particular technical specialist, but now with easier online searches the agency typically gets <20%

        – NobodySpecial
        Apr 6 '14 at 15:42











      • @Carson63000 That's not strictly true. At least not here in the UK. We recently posted job adverts on job websites to recruit a new developer and had several recruitment agencies call us up because of it. We didn't go to them, they came to us.

        – Styphon
        Apr 6 '14 at 17:10











      • By bypassing the recruiter you can get what would have been the recruiters fee as a sign on bonus. So there is an incentive to do it yourself.

        – Martin York
        Aug 15 '15 at 5:03







      1




      1





      Good answer! But I'd add a mention of the How do recruiters find jobs for people ? Do they simply search job portals all day long and match your skills to them? part of the question by explicitly pointing out that the employers engage the recruiters to find them people; the recruiters do not look for job ads that employers have already posted to the public.

      – Carson63000
      Apr 5 '14 at 21:53





      Good answer! But I'd add a mention of the How do recruiters find jobs for people ? Do they simply search job portals all day long and match your skills to them? part of the question by explicitly pointing out that the employers engage the recruiters to find them people; the recruiters do not look for job ads that employers have already posted to the public.

      – Carson63000
      Apr 5 '14 at 21:53













      Actually, 20-30% is not unheard of. My wife works as a contractor through an agency which makes 100% of what she takes home. Meaning for every dollar the client pays, the agency gets 50 cents and she gets 50 cents. This is very common in IT especially when the clients are large organizations.

      – Brandon
      Apr 6 '14 at 0:10





      Actually, 20-30% is not unheard of. My wife works as a contractor through an agency which makes 100% of what she takes home. Meaning for every dollar the client pays, the agency gets 50 cents and she gets 50 cents. This is very common in IT especially when the clients are large organizations.

      – Brandon
      Apr 6 '14 at 0:10




      1




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      @Brandon contracting agencies are a little different from recruiters. 10 years ago I paid 33% of first year salary to find a particular technical specialist, but now with easier online searches the agency typically gets <20%

      – NobodySpecial
      Apr 6 '14 at 15:42





      @Brandon contracting agencies are a little different from recruiters. 10 years ago I paid 33% of first year salary to find a particular technical specialist, but now with easier online searches the agency typically gets <20%

      – NobodySpecial
      Apr 6 '14 at 15:42













      @Carson63000 That's not strictly true. At least not here in the UK. We recently posted job adverts on job websites to recruit a new developer and had several recruitment agencies call us up because of it. We didn't go to them, they came to us.

      – Styphon
      Apr 6 '14 at 17:10





      @Carson63000 That's not strictly true. At least not here in the UK. We recently posted job adverts on job websites to recruit a new developer and had several recruitment agencies call us up because of it. We didn't go to them, they came to us.

      – Styphon
      Apr 6 '14 at 17:10













      By bypassing the recruiter you can get what would have been the recruiters fee as a sign on bonus. So there is an incentive to do it yourself.

      – Martin York
      Aug 15 '15 at 5:03





      By bypassing the recruiter you can get what would have been the recruiters fee as a sign on bonus. So there is an incentive to do it yourself.

      – Martin York
      Aug 15 '15 at 5:03













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      If you don't feel like going thru recruiters, you approach the companies yourself. These days many larger firms post their job openings on the web, with instructions on how to apply if qualified and interested.



      You can also do a search at a library's reference desk to find the directors in charge of various divisions and try a "cold call" letter straight to them. If you're lucky they drop it to HR, but since it came from the director's office it may bypass a screening or two. If you're very lucky you might actually wind up talking to the director -- I once had a nice 15-minute chat with CDC's Director of Research, who apparently preferred to answer his own phone (I was just trying to reach his administrative assistant to check that I had the name and mailing address right).



      Also check with your alma mater; the placement office's resources are often available to alumni.



      And so on. I'm not an expert at this by any means -- after the first, all my job searches have been internal -- but I had access to some literature from an "executive outplacement" firm (the folks hired to help surplus vice-presidents line up their next gig) and I adapted some of their tricks for my own use; the "top-down" contact attempt being one of them.






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        If you don't feel like going thru recruiters, you approach the companies yourself. These days many larger firms post their job openings on the web, with instructions on how to apply if qualified and interested.



        You can also do a search at a library's reference desk to find the directors in charge of various divisions and try a "cold call" letter straight to them. If you're lucky they drop it to HR, but since it came from the director's office it may bypass a screening or two. If you're very lucky you might actually wind up talking to the director -- I once had a nice 15-minute chat with CDC's Director of Research, who apparently preferred to answer his own phone (I was just trying to reach his administrative assistant to check that I had the name and mailing address right).



        Also check with your alma mater; the placement office's resources are often available to alumni.



        And so on. I'm not an expert at this by any means -- after the first, all my job searches have been internal -- but I had access to some literature from an "executive outplacement" firm (the folks hired to help surplus vice-presidents line up their next gig) and I adapted some of their tricks for my own use; the "top-down" contact attempt being one of them.






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          If you don't feel like going thru recruiters, you approach the companies yourself. These days many larger firms post their job openings on the web, with instructions on how to apply if qualified and interested.



          You can also do a search at a library's reference desk to find the directors in charge of various divisions and try a "cold call" letter straight to them. If you're lucky they drop it to HR, but since it came from the director's office it may bypass a screening or two. If you're very lucky you might actually wind up talking to the director -- I once had a nice 15-minute chat with CDC's Director of Research, who apparently preferred to answer his own phone (I was just trying to reach his administrative assistant to check that I had the name and mailing address right).



          Also check with your alma mater; the placement office's resources are often available to alumni.



          And so on. I'm not an expert at this by any means -- after the first, all my job searches have been internal -- but I had access to some literature from an "executive outplacement" firm (the folks hired to help surplus vice-presidents line up their next gig) and I adapted some of their tricks for my own use; the "top-down" contact attempt being one of them.






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          If you don't feel like going thru recruiters, you approach the companies yourself. These days many larger firms post their job openings on the web, with instructions on how to apply if qualified and interested.



          You can also do a search at a library's reference desk to find the directors in charge of various divisions and try a "cold call" letter straight to them. If you're lucky they drop it to HR, but since it came from the director's office it may bypass a screening or two. If you're very lucky you might actually wind up talking to the director -- I once had a nice 15-minute chat with CDC's Director of Research, who apparently preferred to answer his own phone (I was just trying to reach his administrative assistant to check that I had the name and mailing address right).



          Also check with your alma mater; the placement office's resources are often available to alumni.



          And so on. I'm not an expert at this by any means -- after the first, all my job searches have been internal -- but I had access to some literature from an "executive outplacement" firm (the folks hired to help surplus vice-presidents line up their next gig) and I adapted some of their tricks for my own use; the "top-down" contact attempt being one of them.







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              I used to believe that recruiter pay came from a separate budget as a lot of recruiters would usually explain it this way. Then I had two separate experiences that proved that to be totally untrue. It also doesn’t take much to realize on your own that it’s not true. There is no “magical” recruiting budget. Having hiring 9 rockstars for my company I know for a fact, recruiter pay comes off the top of a salary. One way or another. Do NOT let them perpetuate this lie.






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                I used to believe that recruiter pay came from a separate budget as a lot of recruiters would usually explain it this way. Then I had two separate experiences that proved that to be totally untrue. It also doesn’t take much to realize on your own that it’s not true. There is no “magical” recruiting budget. Having hiring 9 rockstars for my company I know for a fact, recruiter pay comes off the top of a salary. One way or another. Do NOT let them perpetuate this lie.






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                  I used to believe that recruiter pay came from a separate budget as a lot of recruiters would usually explain it this way. Then I had two separate experiences that proved that to be totally untrue. It also doesn’t take much to realize on your own that it’s not true. There is no “magical” recruiting budget. Having hiring 9 rockstars for my company I know for a fact, recruiter pay comes off the top of a salary. One way or another. Do NOT let them perpetuate this lie.






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