Can a 1st-level character have an ability score above 18? The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are In Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)What is the statistically superior character creation method, twelve 3d6 or six 4d6?Is it better to take the array and be Joe Average, or to roll for the odds of getting on average better scores?Is dice stat rolling still legal in the Adventurer's League?Do you improve your ability score at every level?What reason has been given for the “standard array” being lower than the expected average from the rolled method?Determining item ability scores for an intelligent item from the book of Eldritch MightWhat are the considerations and balancing implications for not using the highest ability score available as the main combat stat?Help Modeling 5e Stat “Party Draft Pool” in AnydiceUsing 3d6 versus d20 for skill checks vis-à-vis advantage and LuckyHow do you make an Int- or Wis-based character with only 3 Con viable with 30-35 hp at level 6?

"... to apply for a visa" or "... and applied for a visa"?

Problems with Ubuntu mount /tmp

Can withdrawing asylum be illegal?

How to politely respond to generic emails requesting a PhD/job in my lab? Without wasting too much time

Why not take a picture of a closer black hole?

What are these Gizmos at Izaña Atmospheric Research Center in Spain?

Relations between two reciprocal partial derivatives?

Would it be possible to rearrange a dragon's flight muscle to somewhat circumvent the square-cube law?

How to copy the contents of all files with a certain name into a new file?

How do I add random spotting to the same face in cycles?

When did F become S? Why?

Are spiders unable to hurt humans, especially very small spiders?

What can I do if neighbor is blocking my solar panels intentionally?

How are presidential pardons supposed to be used?

Is every episode of "Where are my Pants?" identical?

Does the AirPods case need to be around while listening via an iOS Device?

Are my PIs rude or am I just being too sensitive?

ELI5: Why do they say that Israel would have been the fourth country to land a spacecraft on the Moon and why do they call it low cost?

The variadic template constructor of my class cannot modify my class members, why is that so?

Didn't get enough time to take a Coding Test - what to do now?

Converting from Markdown-with-biblatex-commands to LaTeX

Is this wall load bearing? Blueprints and photos attached

How to prevent selfdestruct from another contract

Why can't devices on different VLANs, but on the same subnet, communicate?



Can a 1st-level character have an ability score above 18?



The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are In
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)What is the statistically superior character creation method, twelve 3d6 or six 4d6?Is it better to take the array and be Joe Average, or to roll for the odds of getting on average better scores?Is dice stat rolling still legal in the Adventurer's League?Do you improve your ability score at every level?What reason has been given for the “standard array” being lower than the expected average from the rolled method?Determining item ability scores for an intelligent item from the book of Eldritch MightWhat are the considerations and balancing implications for not using the highest ability score available as the main combat stat?Help Modeling 5e Stat “Party Draft Pool” in AnydiceUsing 3d6 versus d20 for skill checks vis-à-vis advantage and LuckyHow do you make an Int- or Wis-based character with only 3 Con viable with 30-35 hp at level 6?



.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;








4












$begingroup$


I was playing with a DM that says the rules state that you cannot have a 1st-level character with an ability score above 18. I didn't want to argue so I made it work. I cannot find that rule anywhere.



We are using the "roll 4d6 for each ability score, drop the lowest" method of generating ability scores.



Is there a rule that states a 1st-level character cannot have an ability score above 18?










share|improve this question











$endgroup$







  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Welcome to RPGSE. Depends on the system. Please add a system-and-edition tag to your question to allow people to answer it.
    $endgroup$
    – vicky_molokh
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    What abiltiy score generation method is your group using?
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    We are using 4d6 for each ability score drop the lowest
    $endgroup$
    – Bryan
    1 hour ago

















4












$begingroup$


I was playing with a DM that says the rules state that you cannot have a 1st-level character with an ability score above 18. I didn't want to argue so I made it work. I cannot find that rule anywhere.



We are using the "roll 4d6 for each ability score, drop the lowest" method of generating ability scores.



Is there a rule that states a 1st-level character cannot have an ability score above 18?










share|improve this question











$endgroup$







  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Welcome to RPGSE. Depends on the system. Please add a system-and-edition tag to your question to allow people to answer it.
    $endgroup$
    – vicky_molokh
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    What abiltiy score generation method is your group using?
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    We are using 4d6 for each ability score drop the lowest
    $endgroup$
    – Bryan
    1 hour ago













4












4








4





$begingroup$


I was playing with a DM that says the rules state that you cannot have a 1st-level character with an ability score above 18. I didn't want to argue so I made it work. I cannot find that rule anywhere.



We are using the "roll 4d6 for each ability score, drop the lowest" method of generating ability scores.



Is there a rule that states a 1st-level character cannot have an ability score above 18?










share|improve this question











$endgroup$




I was playing with a DM that says the rules state that you cannot have a 1st-level character with an ability score above 18. I didn't want to argue so I made it work. I cannot find that rule anywhere.



We are using the "roll 4d6 for each ability score, drop the lowest" method of generating ability scores.



Is there a rule that states a 1st-level character cannot have an ability score above 18?







dnd-5e character-creation ability-scores






share|improve this question















share|improve this question













share|improve this question




share|improve this question








edited 1 hour ago









V2Blast

26.8k593163




26.8k593163










asked 1 hour ago









BryanBryan

15016




15016







  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Welcome to RPGSE. Depends on the system. Please add a system-and-edition tag to your question to allow people to answer it.
    $endgroup$
    – vicky_molokh
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    What abiltiy score generation method is your group using?
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    We are using 4d6 for each ability score drop the lowest
    $endgroup$
    – Bryan
    1 hour ago












  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Welcome to RPGSE. Depends on the system. Please add a system-and-edition tag to your question to allow people to answer it.
    $endgroup$
    – vicky_molokh
    1 hour ago






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    What abiltiy score generation method is your group using?
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    1 hour ago










  • $begingroup$
    We are using 4d6 for each ability score drop the lowest
    $endgroup$
    – Bryan
    1 hour ago







2




2




$begingroup$
Welcome to RPGSE. Depends on the system. Please add a system-and-edition tag to your question to allow people to answer it.
$endgroup$
– vicky_molokh
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
Welcome to RPGSE. Depends on the system. Please add a system-and-edition tag to your question to allow people to answer it.
$endgroup$
– vicky_molokh
1 hour ago




2




2




$begingroup$
What abiltiy score generation method is your group using?
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
What abiltiy score generation method is your group using?
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
1 hour ago












$begingroup$
We are using 4d6 for each ability score drop the lowest
$endgroup$
– Bryan
1 hour ago




$begingroup$
We are using 4d6 for each ability score drop the lowest
$endgroup$
– Bryan
1 hour ago










1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes


















6












$begingroup$

There is no such official rule.



Chapter 1 of the PHB/basic rules, titled "Step-by-Step Characters", lists how to determine ability scores in step 3 (italics added for emphasis):




You generate your character’s six ability scores randomly. Roll four 6-sided dice and record the total of the highest three dice on a piece of scratch paper. Do this five more times, so that you have six numbers. If you want to save time or don’t like the idea of randomly determining ability scores, you can use the following scores instead: 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8.



Now take your six numbers and write each number beside one of your character’s six abilities to assign scores to Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma. Afterward, make any changes to your ability scores as a result of your race choice.




Using the "4d6, drop the lowest" method of ability score generation, the only limit on what you can roll is what the dice literally limit you to: a maximum of 18 (unlikely but possible, if you roll at least three 6s), and a minimum of 3 (very unlikely - only possible if you roll four 1s).



However, these numbers are the base stats, before racial modifiers are applied. So if you roll at least one 18, and you pick a race that gives +1 or +2 to an ability score, you can start with a score of 20 in that ability.



(The point-buy variant for generating ability scores does have stricter minimums and maximums on what ability scores you can have, but you're not using that method so I won't go into it in detail.)



The DM can add house-rules - but they should make it clear when they're doing so.



D&D empowers the DM to run their game as they see fit, and add house-rules if they so desire. However, in your case, it seems like the DM seems to think there's an official rule preventing characters from starting with an ability score of 19 or 20 after adding racial mods. There is no such rule.



I would recommend asking your DM to go through the character creation rules with you, and politely asking them to point out the rule that they think states you can't start with an ability score of 18 or higher. Otherwise, if it's a house-rule, you should ask your DM to make that clear. Then you can decide whether you're willing to accept that house-rule or not.






share|improve this answer









$endgroup$








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Note that if you aren't willing to accept that house-rule, then you almost certainly will have to find a different DM.
    $endgroup$
    – Quentin
    44 mins ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Quentin: Well, yeah. That was sort of implied. If you're not willing to accept the house-rule, it's up to you and the DM to come to some sort of resolution or agree to go your separate ways.
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    15 mins ago











Your Answer








StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "122"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);

else
createEditor();

);

function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);



);













draft saved

draft discarded


















StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f145151%2fcan-a-1st-level-character-have-an-ability-score-above-18%23new-answer', 'question_page');

);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown

























1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes








1 Answer
1






active

oldest

votes









active

oldest

votes






active

oldest

votes









6












$begingroup$

There is no such official rule.



Chapter 1 of the PHB/basic rules, titled "Step-by-Step Characters", lists how to determine ability scores in step 3 (italics added for emphasis):




You generate your character’s six ability scores randomly. Roll four 6-sided dice and record the total of the highest three dice on a piece of scratch paper. Do this five more times, so that you have six numbers. If you want to save time or don’t like the idea of randomly determining ability scores, you can use the following scores instead: 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8.



Now take your six numbers and write each number beside one of your character’s six abilities to assign scores to Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma. Afterward, make any changes to your ability scores as a result of your race choice.




Using the "4d6, drop the lowest" method of ability score generation, the only limit on what you can roll is what the dice literally limit you to: a maximum of 18 (unlikely but possible, if you roll at least three 6s), and a minimum of 3 (very unlikely - only possible if you roll four 1s).



However, these numbers are the base stats, before racial modifiers are applied. So if you roll at least one 18, and you pick a race that gives +1 or +2 to an ability score, you can start with a score of 20 in that ability.



(The point-buy variant for generating ability scores does have stricter minimums and maximums on what ability scores you can have, but you're not using that method so I won't go into it in detail.)



The DM can add house-rules - but they should make it clear when they're doing so.



D&D empowers the DM to run their game as they see fit, and add house-rules if they so desire. However, in your case, it seems like the DM seems to think there's an official rule preventing characters from starting with an ability score of 19 or 20 after adding racial mods. There is no such rule.



I would recommend asking your DM to go through the character creation rules with you, and politely asking them to point out the rule that they think states you can't start with an ability score of 18 or higher. Otherwise, if it's a house-rule, you should ask your DM to make that clear. Then you can decide whether you're willing to accept that house-rule or not.






share|improve this answer









$endgroup$








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Note that if you aren't willing to accept that house-rule, then you almost certainly will have to find a different DM.
    $endgroup$
    – Quentin
    44 mins ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Quentin: Well, yeah. That was sort of implied. If you're not willing to accept the house-rule, it's up to you and the DM to come to some sort of resolution or agree to go your separate ways.
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    15 mins ago















6












$begingroup$

There is no such official rule.



Chapter 1 of the PHB/basic rules, titled "Step-by-Step Characters", lists how to determine ability scores in step 3 (italics added for emphasis):




You generate your character’s six ability scores randomly. Roll four 6-sided dice and record the total of the highest three dice on a piece of scratch paper. Do this five more times, so that you have six numbers. If you want to save time or don’t like the idea of randomly determining ability scores, you can use the following scores instead: 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8.



Now take your six numbers and write each number beside one of your character’s six abilities to assign scores to Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma. Afterward, make any changes to your ability scores as a result of your race choice.




Using the "4d6, drop the lowest" method of ability score generation, the only limit on what you can roll is what the dice literally limit you to: a maximum of 18 (unlikely but possible, if you roll at least three 6s), and a minimum of 3 (very unlikely - only possible if you roll four 1s).



However, these numbers are the base stats, before racial modifiers are applied. So if you roll at least one 18, and you pick a race that gives +1 or +2 to an ability score, you can start with a score of 20 in that ability.



(The point-buy variant for generating ability scores does have stricter minimums and maximums on what ability scores you can have, but you're not using that method so I won't go into it in detail.)



The DM can add house-rules - but they should make it clear when they're doing so.



D&D empowers the DM to run their game as they see fit, and add house-rules if they so desire. However, in your case, it seems like the DM seems to think there's an official rule preventing characters from starting with an ability score of 19 or 20 after adding racial mods. There is no such rule.



I would recommend asking your DM to go through the character creation rules with you, and politely asking them to point out the rule that they think states you can't start with an ability score of 18 or higher. Otherwise, if it's a house-rule, you should ask your DM to make that clear. Then you can decide whether you're willing to accept that house-rule or not.






share|improve this answer









$endgroup$








  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Note that if you aren't willing to accept that house-rule, then you almost certainly will have to find a different DM.
    $endgroup$
    – Quentin
    44 mins ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Quentin: Well, yeah. That was sort of implied. If you're not willing to accept the house-rule, it's up to you and the DM to come to some sort of resolution or agree to go your separate ways.
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    15 mins ago













6












6








6





$begingroup$

There is no such official rule.



Chapter 1 of the PHB/basic rules, titled "Step-by-Step Characters", lists how to determine ability scores in step 3 (italics added for emphasis):




You generate your character’s six ability scores randomly. Roll four 6-sided dice and record the total of the highest three dice on a piece of scratch paper. Do this five more times, so that you have six numbers. If you want to save time or don’t like the idea of randomly determining ability scores, you can use the following scores instead: 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8.



Now take your six numbers and write each number beside one of your character’s six abilities to assign scores to Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma. Afterward, make any changes to your ability scores as a result of your race choice.




Using the "4d6, drop the lowest" method of ability score generation, the only limit on what you can roll is what the dice literally limit you to: a maximum of 18 (unlikely but possible, if you roll at least three 6s), and a minimum of 3 (very unlikely - only possible if you roll four 1s).



However, these numbers are the base stats, before racial modifiers are applied. So if you roll at least one 18, and you pick a race that gives +1 or +2 to an ability score, you can start with a score of 20 in that ability.



(The point-buy variant for generating ability scores does have stricter minimums and maximums on what ability scores you can have, but you're not using that method so I won't go into it in detail.)



The DM can add house-rules - but they should make it clear when they're doing so.



D&D empowers the DM to run their game as they see fit, and add house-rules if they so desire. However, in your case, it seems like the DM seems to think there's an official rule preventing characters from starting with an ability score of 19 or 20 after adding racial mods. There is no such rule.



I would recommend asking your DM to go through the character creation rules with you, and politely asking them to point out the rule that they think states you can't start with an ability score of 18 or higher. Otherwise, if it's a house-rule, you should ask your DM to make that clear. Then you can decide whether you're willing to accept that house-rule or not.






share|improve this answer









$endgroup$



There is no such official rule.



Chapter 1 of the PHB/basic rules, titled "Step-by-Step Characters", lists how to determine ability scores in step 3 (italics added for emphasis):




You generate your character’s six ability scores randomly. Roll four 6-sided dice and record the total of the highest three dice on a piece of scratch paper. Do this five more times, so that you have six numbers. If you want to save time or don’t like the idea of randomly determining ability scores, you can use the following scores instead: 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8.



Now take your six numbers and write each number beside one of your character’s six abilities to assign scores to Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma. Afterward, make any changes to your ability scores as a result of your race choice.




Using the "4d6, drop the lowest" method of ability score generation, the only limit on what you can roll is what the dice literally limit you to: a maximum of 18 (unlikely but possible, if you roll at least three 6s), and a minimum of 3 (very unlikely - only possible if you roll four 1s).



However, these numbers are the base stats, before racial modifiers are applied. So if you roll at least one 18, and you pick a race that gives +1 or +2 to an ability score, you can start with a score of 20 in that ability.



(The point-buy variant for generating ability scores does have stricter minimums and maximums on what ability scores you can have, but you're not using that method so I won't go into it in detail.)



The DM can add house-rules - but they should make it clear when they're doing so.



D&D empowers the DM to run their game as they see fit, and add house-rules if they so desire. However, in your case, it seems like the DM seems to think there's an official rule preventing characters from starting with an ability score of 19 or 20 after adding racial mods. There is no such rule.



I would recommend asking your DM to go through the character creation rules with you, and politely asking them to point out the rule that they think states you can't start with an ability score of 18 or higher. Otherwise, if it's a house-rule, you should ask your DM to make that clear. Then you can decide whether you're willing to accept that house-rule or not.







share|improve this answer












share|improve this answer



share|improve this answer










answered 1 hour ago









V2BlastV2Blast

26.8k593163




26.8k593163







  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Note that if you aren't willing to accept that house-rule, then you almost certainly will have to find a different DM.
    $endgroup$
    – Quentin
    44 mins ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Quentin: Well, yeah. That was sort of implied. If you're not willing to accept the house-rule, it's up to you and the DM to come to some sort of resolution or agree to go your separate ways.
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    15 mins ago












  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Note that if you aren't willing to accept that house-rule, then you almost certainly will have to find a different DM.
    $endgroup$
    – Quentin
    44 mins ago










  • $begingroup$
    @Quentin: Well, yeah. That was sort of implied. If you're not willing to accept the house-rule, it's up to you and the DM to come to some sort of resolution or agree to go your separate ways.
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    15 mins ago







1




1




$begingroup$
Note that if you aren't willing to accept that house-rule, then you almost certainly will have to find a different DM.
$endgroup$
– Quentin
44 mins ago




$begingroup$
Note that if you aren't willing to accept that house-rule, then you almost certainly will have to find a different DM.
$endgroup$
– Quentin
44 mins ago












$begingroup$
@Quentin: Well, yeah. That was sort of implied. If you're not willing to accept the house-rule, it's up to you and the DM to come to some sort of resolution or agree to go your separate ways.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
15 mins ago




$begingroup$
@Quentin: Well, yeah. That was sort of implied. If you're not willing to accept the house-rule, it's up to you and the DM to come to some sort of resolution or agree to go your separate ways.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
15 mins ago

















draft saved

draft discarded
















































Thanks for contributing an answer to Role-playing Games Stack Exchange!


  • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

But avoid


  • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

  • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.


To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




draft saved


draft discarded














StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2frpg.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f145151%2fcan-a-1st-level-character-have-an-ability-score-above-18%23new-answer', 'question_page');

);

Post as a guest















Required, but never shown





















































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown

































Required, but never shown














Required, but never shown












Required, but never shown







Required, but never shown







Popular posts from this blog

Canceling a color specificationRandomly assigning color to Graphics3D objects?Default color for Filling in Mathematica 9Coloring specific elements of sets with a prime modified order in an array plotHow to pick a color differing significantly from the colors already in a given color list?Detection of the text colorColor numbers based on their valueCan color schemes for use with ColorData include opacity specification?My dynamic color schemes

Invision Community Contents History See also References External links Navigation menuProprietaryinvisioncommunity.comIPS Community ForumsIPS Community Forumsthis blog entry"License Changes, IP.Board 3.4, and the Future""Interview -- Matt Mecham of Ibforums""CEO Invision Power Board, Matt Mecham Is a Liar, Thief!"IPB License Explanation 1.3, 1.3.1, 2.0, and 2.1ArchivedSecurity Fixes, Updates And Enhancements For IPB 1.3.1Archived"New Demo Accounts - Invision Power Services"the original"New Default Skin"the original"Invision Power Board 3.0.0 and Applications Released"the original"Archived copy"the original"Perpetual licenses being done away with""Release Notes - Invision Power Services""Introducing: IPS Community Suite 4!"Invision Community Release Notes

François Viète Contents Biography Work and thought Bibliography See also Notes Further reading External links Navigation menup. 21Google Bookspp. 75–77Google BooksDe thou (from University of Saint Andrews)ArchivedGoogle BooksGoogle BooksGoogle BooksGoogle booksGoogle Bookscc-parthenay.frL'histoire universelle (fr)Universal History (en)ArchivedAdsabs.harvard.eduPagesperso-orange.frArchive.orgChikara Sasaki. Descartes' mathematical thought p.259Google BooksGoogle BooksGoogle Bookspp. 152 and onwardGoogle BooksGoogle BooksScribd.comGoogle Books1257-7979Google BooksGoogle BooksGoogle BooksGoogle BooksGoogle BooksGoogle BooksGallica.bnf.frGoogle BooksGoogle Books"François Viète"Francois Viète: Father of Modern Algebraic NotationThe Lawyer and the GamblerAbout TarporleySite de Jean-Paul GuichardL'algèbre nouvelle"About the Harmonicon"cb120511976(data)1188044800000 0001 0913 5903n82164680ola2013766880073431702w6vt1sb70287374827140948071409480