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What is a gender neutral equivalent for the following phrase?
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Sometimes I see the phrase
I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch [if such-and-so...]
which is an idiom for
I'm not going to get upset [if such-and-so...]
There are variants involving knickers, twisting, knot, etc.
Suppose someone wants to use an expression with a similarly light tone, but without the gender focus --given that panties and knickers are by definition women's garments. What would be a functionally equivalent expression without the single gender focus?
(Note, Is there a politer way of saying 'don't get you panties in a bunch'? includes the panties in a bunch but the meaning there is different.)
Update:
Many of you are misreading my question. I am not asking for an equivalent to "Don't get your panties in a bunch." I am asking for an equivalent to "I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch" -- which is completely different.
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Sometimes I see the phrase
I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch [if such-and-so...]
which is an idiom for
I'm not going to get upset [if such-and-so...]
There are variants involving knickers, twisting, knot, etc.
Suppose someone wants to use an expression with a similarly light tone, but without the gender focus --given that panties and knickers are by definition women's garments. What would be a functionally equivalent expression without the single gender focus?
(Note, Is there a politer way of saying 'don't get you panties in a bunch'? includes the panties in a bunch but the meaning there is different.)
Update:
Many of you are misreading my question. I am not asking for an equivalent to "Don't get your panties in a bunch." I am asking for an equivalent to "I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch" -- which is completely different.
phrase-requests idiom-requests expression-requests gender-neutral
flip your biscuits
– samgak
2 hours ago
@samgak - I think you've got the question backwards -- please see the update.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
1
"I'm not gonna flip a biscuit"?
– samgak
2 hours ago
1
The dictionary definition of the idiom "knickers in a twist" doesn't mention gender. I'm sure I've heard both that and "knickers in a knot" applied to both women and men here in Australia.
– nnnnnn
2 hours ago
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@aparente001 I'm addressing the title of your question. If that's not what you want to ask, then you need to rephrase it.
– Jason Bassford
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Sometimes I see the phrase
I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch [if such-and-so...]
which is an idiom for
I'm not going to get upset [if such-and-so...]
There are variants involving knickers, twisting, knot, etc.
Suppose someone wants to use an expression with a similarly light tone, but without the gender focus --given that panties and knickers are by definition women's garments. What would be a functionally equivalent expression without the single gender focus?
(Note, Is there a politer way of saying 'don't get you panties in a bunch'? includes the panties in a bunch but the meaning there is different.)
Update:
Many of you are misreading my question. I am not asking for an equivalent to "Don't get your panties in a bunch." I am asking for an equivalent to "I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch" -- which is completely different.
phrase-requests idiom-requests expression-requests gender-neutral
Sometimes I see the phrase
I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch [if such-and-so...]
which is an idiom for
I'm not going to get upset [if such-and-so...]
There are variants involving knickers, twisting, knot, etc.
Suppose someone wants to use an expression with a similarly light tone, but without the gender focus --given that panties and knickers are by definition women's garments. What would be a functionally equivalent expression without the single gender focus?
(Note, Is there a politer way of saying 'don't get you panties in a bunch'? includes the panties in a bunch but the meaning there is different.)
Update:
Many of you are misreading my question. I am not asking for an equivalent to "Don't get your panties in a bunch." I am asking for an equivalent to "I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch" -- which is completely different.
phrase-requests idiom-requests expression-requests gender-neutral
phrase-requests idiom-requests expression-requests gender-neutral
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flip your biscuits
– samgak
2 hours ago
@samgak - I think you've got the question backwards -- please see the update.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
1
"I'm not gonna flip a biscuit"?
– samgak
2 hours ago
1
The dictionary definition of the idiom "knickers in a twist" doesn't mention gender. I'm sure I've heard both that and "knickers in a knot" applied to both women and men here in Australia.
– nnnnnn
2 hours ago
1
@aparente001 I'm addressing the title of your question. If that's not what you want to ask, then you need to rephrase it.
– Jason Bassford
2 hours ago
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flip your biscuits
– samgak
2 hours ago
@samgak - I think you've got the question backwards -- please see the update.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
1
"I'm not gonna flip a biscuit"?
– samgak
2 hours ago
1
The dictionary definition of the idiom "knickers in a twist" doesn't mention gender. I'm sure I've heard both that and "knickers in a knot" applied to both women and men here in Australia.
– nnnnnn
2 hours ago
1
@aparente001 I'm addressing the title of your question. If that's not what you want to ask, then you need to rephrase it.
– Jason Bassford
2 hours ago
flip your biscuits
– samgak
2 hours ago
flip your biscuits
– samgak
2 hours ago
@samgak - I think you've got the question backwards -- please see the update.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
@samgak - I think you've got the question backwards -- please see the update.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
1
1
"I'm not gonna flip a biscuit"?
– samgak
2 hours ago
"I'm not gonna flip a biscuit"?
– samgak
2 hours ago
1
1
The dictionary definition of the idiom "knickers in a twist" doesn't mention gender. I'm sure I've heard both that and "knickers in a knot" applied to both women and men here in Australia.
– nnnnnn
2 hours ago
The dictionary definition of the idiom "knickers in a twist" doesn't mention gender. I'm sure I've heard both that and "knickers in a knot" applied to both women and men here in Australia.
– nnnnnn
2 hours ago
1
1
@aparente001 I'm addressing the title of your question. If that's not what you want to ask, then you need to rephrase it.
– Jason Bassford
2 hours ago
@aparente001 I'm addressing the title of your question. If that's not what you want to ask, then you need to rephrase it.
– Jason Bassford
2 hours ago
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There's nothing wrong with "... get your knickers in a twist". It's the idiomatic expression, and it can be applied to anybody regardless of gender or underwear choice. They are, after all, only metaphorical knickers, not literal ones.
Replacing the nouns in that expression will just make it seem as if you don't know the idiomatic form. Whatever gender-neutral boxes it might tick, it would fail to be good English.
Whether there's anything wrong with an expression is a matter of opinion. I am most familiar with US English, and in my opinion (I realize some may disagree), the panties phrase is disrespectful to women. I am guessing I'd have a similar reaction to the knickers version if I were really fluent in UK English, for the same reason, because I checked a dictionary and it said knickers are worn by women. At any rate, thanks for trying to help, but this doesn't answer the question. I didn't ask whether the panties and knickers expressions are problematic. I'd suggest a comment instead.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
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UK here. It's an entirely idiomatic expression, which means that it's basically lost all meaning. Knickers is certainly the most common form, and equally applicable to both sexes.
– Andrew Leach♦
7 hours ago
@aparente001 If you want to avoid disrespect, I’d suggest not using any variant of the saying. It’s intentionally disrespectful to the addressee, so you won’t get away from that no matter what item of clothing you substitute. Like Andrew and Rosie, I don’t perceive any gender bias in the phrase, despite the garment being primarily feminine, but it is disrespectful. You might use “Keep your hair on”, but that has similar, though milder, notes of disrespect. Essentially, I’d say the notion itself is hard to express without disrespect.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
4 hours ago
I agree with @Janud Bahs Jacquet - it's always going to be a rude phrase, whatever item of clothing you attempt to substitute. I'd be offended if someone said it to me, and I'd be incensed if they used the 'panties in a bunch' version, which I would also perceive as sexist.
– Jelila
4 hours ago
@AndrewLeach - I didn't ask whether the knickers expression is problematic. I asked for an alternative that could be used by someone who does not want to use an idiom that includes the word "knickers."
– aparente001
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Is this affected by region? I believe I've heard "undies in a bunch" most recently, which has the advantage of carrying the rhythm of the original.
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It works for me (US English).... Hopefully it works in UK English too.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
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The only version with which I, as a British English speaker, am familiar, is "knickers in a twist". All the rest of them sound like more or less clumsy variations on that to me.
– BoldBen
6 hours ago
@BoldBen - It doesn't need to be an established expression, as long as people can understand it. Consider the undulation example, for instance.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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Try this:
I'm not going to get all bent out of shape.
No gender implied at all, and the meaning is the same (to get upset to distraction about something).
- (of a person) Upset or angry.
Don't get all bent out of shape—I'm sure she didn't mean to insult you.
You should apologize to Phil before he gets bent out of shape.
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Robusto, you've got the question backwards (along with almost everybody else who's participated on this page). Please see the question update.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
I see your update but I disagree that I got it wrong. What I and others have replied is true of any pronoun. But note that I did say "I'm not going to get all bent out of shape." You're trying to make a distinction without a difference.
– Robusto
2 hours ago
Ah, I just read your answer more carefully. I read your earlier answer, prior to your edit, stepped away, and came back and wrote the comment now, without noticing that you had added to your answer. Yes, by jove, I think you've hit on something! This expression works, and it works equally well, in the "you" version and in the "I" version. Thank you.
– aparente001
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Out of sorts, don't get upset
You could say 'don't get upset', or 'there's no need to get out of sorts about it'.
Note that 'knickers in a twist' is a fairly rude phrase. Saying it directly to someone is always going to be really 'fanning the flames' - not calming the situation. You can't convert a rude phrase like this into something polite without changing its very nature.
Non-rude alternatives are going to need to include genuine care for the person and be calming or assisting the situation.
You may however, harmlessly use the phrase to talk about someone out of their earshot, like 'my boss really got his knickers in a twist about my lateness'. But if he overheard you saying it - that would be baaaad! Sooo. Bad.
Note that in UK English we use the expression for men or women, still with 'knickers'.
Why? Well it's even more funny!
Postscript:
'knickers in a twist' is a way of saying 'I perceive that something, under the surface, unseen, may be troubling you'. You need therapist-level sensitivity, to be able to pull off saying that to somebody without enraging them.
(Please see clarifying update in question.) What do you think about Scample's proposal of the undies?
– aparente001
2 hours ago
"Get upset" does work -- but it's a bit flavorless. I think "bent out of shape" sounds more like an expression or idiom. // Thanks for explaining the funny aspect in the UK of men referring to the knickers.
– aparente001
1 hour ago
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There are some proposals written by a Jacob Weeks on Quora:
Growing up I read a lot of Andy Griffiths books, and my answer is
heavily influenced by that fact. My chosen phrases are:
- Don't get your knickers in a knot
- Don't get your trousers in a twist
Here are some that I have concocted:
Don't get your slacks in a swivel
Don't get your jeans in a jerk
I also came up with this one, but I don't think it has quite the same
ring to it:
- Don't get your underwear into an undulation
The first two are too gender-suggestive; the jeans won't work because jerk isn't a gracious word; slacks might work but I think the undulation is funnier, so that's my current best candidate.
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I have always liked "I won't get my undies in a bundle". Though, technically, undies usually refer to woman/girl underwear, it doesn't necessarily always refer to female underwear.
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Oh shoot. I just checked a dictionary and saw that you're right, undies are apparently primarily for girls and women. I was thinking this was going to work when @Scample proposed it. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
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There's nothing wrong with "... get your knickers in a twist". It's the idiomatic expression, and it can be applied to anybody regardless of gender or underwear choice. They are, after all, only metaphorical knickers, not literal ones.
Replacing the nouns in that expression will just make it seem as if you don't know the idiomatic form. Whatever gender-neutral boxes it might tick, it would fail to be good English.
Whether there's anything wrong with an expression is a matter of opinion. I am most familiar with US English, and in my opinion (I realize some may disagree), the panties phrase is disrespectful to women. I am guessing I'd have a similar reaction to the knickers version if I were really fluent in UK English, for the same reason, because I checked a dictionary and it said knickers are worn by women. At any rate, thanks for trying to help, but this doesn't answer the question. I didn't ask whether the panties and knickers expressions are problematic. I'd suggest a comment instead.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
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UK here. It's an entirely idiomatic expression, which means that it's basically lost all meaning. Knickers is certainly the most common form, and equally applicable to both sexes.
– Andrew Leach♦
7 hours ago
@aparente001 If you want to avoid disrespect, I’d suggest not using any variant of the saying. It’s intentionally disrespectful to the addressee, so you won’t get away from that no matter what item of clothing you substitute. Like Andrew and Rosie, I don’t perceive any gender bias in the phrase, despite the garment being primarily feminine, but it is disrespectful. You might use “Keep your hair on”, but that has similar, though milder, notes of disrespect. Essentially, I’d say the notion itself is hard to express without disrespect.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
4 hours ago
I agree with @Janud Bahs Jacquet - it's always going to be a rude phrase, whatever item of clothing you attempt to substitute. I'd be offended if someone said it to me, and I'd be incensed if they used the 'panties in a bunch' version, which I would also perceive as sexist.
– Jelila
4 hours ago
@AndrewLeach - I didn't ask whether the knickers expression is problematic. I asked for an alternative that could be used by someone who does not want to use an idiom that includes the word "knickers."
– aparente001
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There's nothing wrong with "... get your knickers in a twist". It's the idiomatic expression, and it can be applied to anybody regardless of gender or underwear choice. They are, after all, only metaphorical knickers, not literal ones.
Replacing the nouns in that expression will just make it seem as if you don't know the idiomatic form. Whatever gender-neutral boxes it might tick, it would fail to be good English.
Whether there's anything wrong with an expression is a matter of opinion. I am most familiar with US English, and in my opinion (I realize some may disagree), the panties phrase is disrespectful to women. I am guessing I'd have a similar reaction to the knickers version if I were really fluent in UK English, for the same reason, because I checked a dictionary and it said knickers are worn by women. At any rate, thanks for trying to help, but this doesn't answer the question. I didn't ask whether the panties and knickers expressions are problematic. I'd suggest a comment instead.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
2
UK here. It's an entirely idiomatic expression, which means that it's basically lost all meaning. Knickers is certainly the most common form, and equally applicable to both sexes.
– Andrew Leach♦
7 hours ago
@aparente001 If you want to avoid disrespect, I’d suggest not using any variant of the saying. It’s intentionally disrespectful to the addressee, so you won’t get away from that no matter what item of clothing you substitute. Like Andrew and Rosie, I don’t perceive any gender bias in the phrase, despite the garment being primarily feminine, but it is disrespectful. You might use “Keep your hair on”, but that has similar, though milder, notes of disrespect. Essentially, I’d say the notion itself is hard to express without disrespect.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
4 hours ago
I agree with @Janud Bahs Jacquet - it's always going to be a rude phrase, whatever item of clothing you attempt to substitute. I'd be offended if someone said it to me, and I'd be incensed if they used the 'panties in a bunch' version, which I would also perceive as sexist.
– Jelila
4 hours ago
@AndrewLeach - I didn't ask whether the knickers expression is problematic. I asked for an alternative that could be used by someone who does not want to use an idiom that includes the word "knickers."
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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There's nothing wrong with "... get your knickers in a twist". It's the idiomatic expression, and it can be applied to anybody regardless of gender or underwear choice. They are, after all, only metaphorical knickers, not literal ones.
Replacing the nouns in that expression will just make it seem as if you don't know the idiomatic form. Whatever gender-neutral boxes it might tick, it would fail to be good English.
There's nothing wrong with "... get your knickers in a twist". It's the idiomatic expression, and it can be applied to anybody regardless of gender or underwear choice. They are, after all, only metaphorical knickers, not literal ones.
Replacing the nouns in that expression will just make it seem as if you don't know the idiomatic form. Whatever gender-neutral boxes it might tick, it would fail to be good English.
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Whether there's anything wrong with an expression is a matter of opinion. I am most familiar with US English, and in my opinion (I realize some may disagree), the panties phrase is disrespectful to women. I am guessing I'd have a similar reaction to the knickers version if I were really fluent in UK English, for the same reason, because I checked a dictionary and it said knickers are worn by women. At any rate, thanks for trying to help, but this doesn't answer the question. I didn't ask whether the panties and knickers expressions are problematic. I'd suggest a comment instead.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
2
UK here. It's an entirely idiomatic expression, which means that it's basically lost all meaning. Knickers is certainly the most common form, and equally applicable to both sexes.
– Andrew Leach♦
7 hours ago
@aparente001 If you want to avoid disrespect, I’d suggest not using any variant of the saying. It’s intentionally disrespectful to the addressee, so you won’t get away from that no matter what item of clothing you substitute. Like Andrew and Rosie, I don’t perceive any gender bias in the phrase, despite the garment being primarily feminine, but it is disrespectful. You might use “Keep your hair on”, but that has similar, though milder, notes of disrespect. Essentially, I’d say the notion itself is hard to express without disrespect.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
4 hours ago
I agree with @Janud Bahs Jacquet - it's always going to be a rude phrase, whatever item of clothing you attempt to substitute. I'd be offended if someone said it to me, and I'd be incensed if they used the 'panties in a bunch' version, which I would also perceive as sexist.
– Jelila
4 hours ago
@AndrewLeach - I didn't ask whether the knickers expression is problematic. I asked for an alternative that could be used by someone who does not want to use an idiom that includes the word "knickers."
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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Whether there's anything wrong with an expression is a matter of opinion. I am most familiar with US English, and in my opinion (I realize some may disagree), the panties phrase is disrespectful to women. I am guessing I'd have a similar reaction to the knickers version if I were really fluent in UK English, for the same reason, because I checked a dictionary and it said knickers are worn by women. At any rate, thanks for trying to help, but this doesn't answer the question. I didn't ask whether the panties and knickers expressions are problematic. I'd suggest a comment instead.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
2
UK here. It's an entirely idiomatic expression, which means that it's basically lost all meaning. Knickers is certainly the most common form, and equally applicable to both sexes.
– Andrew Leach♦
7 hours ago
@aparente001 If you want to avoid disrespect, I’d suggest not using any variant of the saying. It’s intentionally disrespectful to the addressee, so you won’t get away from that no matter what item of clothing you substitute. Like Andrew and Rosie, I don’t perceive any gender bias in the phrase, despite the garment being primarily feminine, but it is disrespectful. You might use “Keep your hair on”, but that has similar, though milder, notes of disrespect. Essentially, I’d say the notion itself is hard to express without disrespect.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
4 hours ago
I agree with @Janud Bahs Jacquet - it's always going to be a rude phrase, whatever item of clothing you attempt to substitute. I'd be offended if someone said it to me, and I'd be incensed if they used the 'panties in a bunch' version, which I would also perceive as sexist.
– Jelila
4 hours ago
@AndrewLeach - I didn't ask whether the knickers expression is problematic. I asked for an alternative that could be used by someone who does not want to use an idiom that includes the word "knickers."
– aparente001
2 hours ago
Whether there's anything wrong with an expression is a matter of opinion. I am most familiar with US English, and in my opinion (I realize some may disagree), the panties phrase is disrespectful to women. I am guessing I'd have a similar reaction to the knickers version if I were really fluent in UK English, for the same reason, because I checked a dictionary and it said knickers are worn by women. At any rate, thanks for trying to help, but this doesn't answer the question. I didn't ask whether the panties and knickers expressions are problematic. I'd suggest a comment instead.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
Whether there's anything wrong with an expression is a matter of opinion. I am most familiar with US English, and in my opinion (I realize some may disagree), the panties phrase is disrespectful to women. I am guessing I'd have a similar reaction to the knickers version if I were really fluent in UK English, for the same reason, because I checked a dictionary and it said knickers are worn by women. At any rate, thanks for trying to help, but this doesn't answer the question. I didn't ask whether the panties and knickers expressions are problematic. I'd suggest a comment instead.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
2
2
UK here. It's an entirely idiomatic expression, which means that it's basically lost all meaning. Knickers is certainly the most common form, and equally applicable to both sexes.
– Andrew Leach♦
7 hours ago
UK here. It's an entirely idiomatic expression, which means that it's basically lost all meaning. Knickers is certainly the most common form, and equally applicable to both sexes.
– Andrew Leach♦
7 hours ago
@aparente001 If you want to avoid disrespect, I’d suggest not using any variant of the saying. It’s intentionally disrespectful to the addressee, so you won’t get away from that no matter what item of clothing you substitute. Like Andrew and Rosie, I don’t perceive any gender bias in the phrase, despite the garment being primarily feminine, but it is disrespectful. You might use “Keep your hair on”, but that has similar, though milder, notes of disrespect. Essentially, I’d say the notion itself is hard to express without disrespect.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
4 hours ago
@aparente001 If you want to avoid disrespect, I’d suggest not using any variant of the saying. It’s intentionally disrespectful to the addressee, so you won’t get away from that no matter what item of clothing you substitute. Like Andrew and Rosie, I don’t perceive any gender bias in the phrase, despite the garment being primarily feminine, but it is disrespectful. You might use “Keep your hair on”, but that has similar, though milder, notes of disrespect. Essentially, I’d say the notion itself is hard to express without disrespect.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
4 hours ago
I agree with @Janud Bahs Jacquet - it's always going to be a rude phrase, whatever item of clothing you attempt to substitute. I'd be offended if someone said it to me, and I'd be incensed if they used the 'panties in a bunch' version, which I would also perceive as sexist.
– Jelila
4 hours ago
I agree with @Janud Bahs Jacquet - it's always going to be a rude phrase, whatever item of clothing you attempt to substitute. I'd be offended if someone said it to me, and I'd be incensed if they used the 'panties in a bunch' version, which I would also perceive as sexist.
– Jelila
4 hours ago
@AndrewLeach - I didn't ask whether the knickers expression is problematic. I asked for an alternative that could be used by someone who does not want to use an idiom that includes the word "knickers."
– aparente001
2 hours ago
@AndrewLeach - I didn't ask whether the knickers expression is problematic. I asked for an alternative that could be used by someone who does not want to use an idiom that includes the word "knickers."
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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Is this affected by region? I believe I've heard "undies in a bunch" most recently, which has the advantage of carrying the rhythm of the original.
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It works for me (US English).... Hopefully it works in UK English too.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
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The only version with which I, as a British English speaker, am familiar, is "knickers in a twist". All the rest of them sound like more or less clumsy variations on that to me.
– BoldBen
6 hours ago
@BoldBen - It doesn't need to be an established expression, as long as people can understand it. Consider the undulation example, for instance.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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Is this affected by region? I believe I've heard "undies in a bunch" most recently, which has the advantage of carrying the rhythm of the original.
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It works for me (US English).... Hopefully it works in UK English too.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
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The only version with which I, as a British English speaker, am familiar, is "knickers in a twist". All the rest of them sound like more or less clumsy variations on that to me.
– BoldBen
6 hours ago
@BoldBen - It doesn't need to be an established expression, as long as people can understand it. Consider the undulation example, for instance.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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Is this affected by region? I believe I've heard "undies in a bunch" most recently, which has the advantage of carrying the rhythm of the original.
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Is this affected by region? I believe I've heard "undies in a bunch" most recently, which has the advantage of carrying the rhythm of the original.
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It works for me (US English).... Hopefully it works in UK English too.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
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The only version with which I, as a British English speaker, am familiar, is "knickers in a twist". All the rest of them sound like more or less clumsy variations on that to me.
– BoldBen
6 hours ago
@BoldBen - It doesn't need to be an established expression, as long as people can understand it. Consider the undulation example, for instance.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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It works for me (US English).... Hopefully it works in UK English too.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
1
The only version with which I, as a British English speaker, am familiar, is "knickers in a twist". All the rest of them sound like more or less clumsy variations on that to me.
– BoldBen
6 hours ago
@BoldBen - It doesn't need to be an established expression, as long as people can understand it. Consider the undulation example, for instance.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
It works for me (US English).... Hopefully it works in UK English too.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
It works for me (US English).... Hopefully it works in UK English too.
– aparente001
7 hours ago
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The only version with which I, as a British English speaker, am familiar, is "knickers in a twist". All the rest of them sound like more or less clumsy variations on that to me.
– BoldBen
6 hours ago
The only version with which I, as a British English speaker, am familiar, is "knickers in a twist". All the rest of them sound like more or less clumsy variations on that to me.
– BoldBen
6 hours ago
@BoldBen - It doesn't need to be an established expression, as long as people can understand it. Consider the undulation example, for instance.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
@BoldBen - It doesn't need to be an established expression, as long as people can understand it. Consider the undulation example, for instance.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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Try this:
I'm not going to get all bent out of shape.
No gender implied at all, and the meaning is the same (to get upset to distraction about something).
- (of a person) Upset or angry.
Don't get all bent out of shape—I'm sure she didn't mean to insult you.
You should apologize to Phil before he gets bent out of shape.
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Robusto, you've got the question backwards (along with almost everybody else who's participated on this page). Please see the question update.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
I see your update but I disagree that I got it wrong. What I and others have replied is true of any pronoun. But note that I did say "I'm not going to get all bent out of shape." You're trying to make a distinction without a difference.
– Robusto
2 hours ago
Ah, I just read your answer more carefully. I read your earlier answer, prior to your edit, stepped away, and came back and wrote the comment now, without noticing that you had added to your answer. Yes, by jove, I think you've hit on something! This expression works, and it works equally well, in the "you" version and in the "I" version. Thank you.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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Try this:
I'm not going to get all bent out of shape.
No gender implied at all, and the meaning is the same (to get upset to distraction about something).
- (of a person) Upset or angry.
Don't get all bent out of shape—I'm sure she didn't mean to insult you.
You should apologize to Phil before he gets bent out of shape.
TFD Online
Robusto, you've got the question backwards (along with almost everybody else who's participated on this page). Please see the question update.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
I see your update but I disagree that I got it wrong. What I and others have replied is true of any pronoun. But note that I did say "I'm not going to get all bent out of shape." You're trying to make a distinction without a difference.
– Robusto
2 hours ago
Ah, I just read your answer more carefully. I read your earlier answer, prior to your edit, stepped away, and came back and wrote the comment now, without noticing that you had added to your answer. Yes, by jove, I think you've hit on something! This expression works, and it works equally well, in the "you" version and in the "I" version. Thank you.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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Try this:
I'm not going to get all bent out of shape.
No gender implied at all, and the meaning is the same (to get upset to distraction about something).
- (of a person) Upset or angry.
Don't get all bent out of shape—I'm sure she didn't mean to insult you.
You should apologize to Phil before he gets bent out of shape.
TFD Online
Try this:
I'm not going to get all bent out of shape.
No gender implied at all, and the meaning is the same (to get upset to distraction about something).
- (of a person) Upset or angry.
Don't get all bent out of shape—I'm sure she didn't mean to insult you.
You should apologize to Phil before he gets bent out of shape.
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answered 4 hours ago
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Robusto, you've got the question backwards (along with almost everybody else who's participated on this page). Please see the question update.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
I see your update but I disagree that I got it wrong. What I and others have replied is true of any pronoun. But note that I did say "I'm not going to get all bent out of shape." You're trying to make a distinction without a difference.
– Robusto
2 hours ago
Ah, I just read your answer more carefully. I read your earlier answer, prior to your edit, stepped away, and came back and wrote the comment now, without noticing that you had added to your answer. Yes, by jove, I think you've hit on something! This expression works, and it works equally well, in the "you" version and in the "I" version. Thank you.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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Robusto, you've got the question backwards (along with almost everybody else who's participated on this page). Please see the question update.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
I see your update but I disagree that I got it wrong. What I and others have replied is true of any pronoun. But note that I did say "I'm not going to get all bent out of shape." You're trying to make a distinction without a difference.
– Robusto
2 hours ago
Ah, I just read your answer more carefully. I read your earlier answer, prior to your edit, stepped away, and came back and wrote the comment now, without noticing that you had added to your answer. Yes, by jove, I think you've hit on something! This expression works, and it works equally well, in the "you" version and in the "I" version. Thank you.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
Robusto, you've got the question backwards (along with almost everybody else who's participated on this page). Please see the question update.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
Robusto, you've got the question backwards (along with almost everybody else who's participated on this page). Please see the question update.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
I see your update but I disagree that I got it wrong. What I and others have replied is true of any pronoun. But note that I did say "I'm not going to get all bent out of shape." You're trying to make a distinction without a difference.
– Robusto
2 hours ago
I see your update but I disagree that I got it wrong. What I and others have replied is true of any pronoun. But note that I did say "I'm not going to get all bent out of shape." You're trying to make a distinction without a difference.
– Robusto
2 hours ago
Ah, I just read your answer more carefully. I read your earlier answer, prior to your edit, stepped away, and came back and wrote the comment now, without noticing that you had added to your answer. Yes, by jove, I think you've hit on something! This expression works, and it works equally well, in the "you" version and in the "I" version. Thank you.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
Ah, I just read your answer more carefully. I read your earlier answer, prior to your edit, stepped away, and came back and wrote the comment now, without noticing that you had added to your answer. Yes, by jove, I think you've hit on something! This expression works, and it works equally well, in the "you" version and in the "I" version. Thank you.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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Out of sorts, don't get upset
You could say 'don't get upset', or 'there's no need to get out of sorts about it'.
Note that 'knickers in a twist' is a fairly rude phrase. Saying it directly to someone is always going to be really 'fanning the flames' - not calming the situation. You can't convert a rude phrase like this into something polite without changing its very nature.
Non-rude alternatives are going to need to include genuine care for the person and be calming or assisting the situation.
You may however, harmlessly use the phrase to talk about someone out of their earshot, like 'my boss really got his knickers in a twist about my lateness'. But if he overheard you saying it - that would be baaaad! Sooo. Bad.
Note that in UK English we use the expression for men or women, still with 'knickers'.
Why? Well it's even more funny!
Postscript:
'knickers in a twist' is a way of saying 'I perceive that something, under the surface, unseen, may be troubling you'. You need therapist-level sensitivity, to be able to pull off saying that to somebody without enraging them.
(Please see clarifying update in question.) What do you think about Scample's proposal of the undies?
– aparente001
2 hours ago
"Get upset" does work -- but it's a bit flavorless. I think "bent out of shape" sounds more like an expression or idiom. // Thanks for explaining the funny aspect in the UK of men referring to the knickers.
– aparente001
1 hour ago
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Out of sorts, don't get upset
You could say 'don't get upset', or 'there's no need to get out of sorts about it'.
Note that 'knickers in a twist' is a fairly rude phrase. Saying it directly to someone is always going to be really 'fanning the flames' - not calming the situation. You can't convert a rude phrase like this into something polite without changing its very nature.
Non-rude alternatives are going to need to include genuine care for the person and be calming or assisting the situation.
You may however, harmlessly use the phrase to talk about someone out of their earshot, like 'my boss really got his knickers in a twist about my lateness'. But if he overheard you saying it - that would be baaaad! Sooo. Bad.
Note that in UK English we use the expression for men or women, still with 'knickers'.
Why? Well it's even more funny!
Postscript:
'knickers in a twist' is a way of saying 'I perceive that something, under the surface, unseen, may be troubling you'. You need therapist-level sensitivity, to be able to pull off saying that to somebody without enraging them.
(Please see clarifying update in question.) What do you think about Scample's proposal of the undies?
– aparente001
2 hours ago
"Get upset" does work -- but it's a bit flavorless. I think "bent out of shape" sounds more like an expression or idiom. // Thanks for explaining the funny aspect in the UK of men referring to the knickers.
– aparente001
1 hour ago
add a comment
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Out of sorts, don't get upset
You could say 'don't get upset', or 'there's no need to get out of sorts about it'.
Note that 'knickers in a twist' is a fairly rude phrase. Saying it directly to someone is always going to be really 'fanning the flames' - not calming the situation. You can't convert a rude phrase like this into something polite without changing its very nature.
Non-rude alternatives are going to need to include genuine care for the person and be calming or assisting the situation.
You may however, harmlessly use the phrase to talk about someone out of their earshot, like 'my boss really got his knickers in a twist about my lateness'. But if he overheard you saying it - that would be baaaad! Sooo. Bad.
Note that in UK English we use the expression for men or women, still with 'knickers'.
Why? Well it's even more funny!
Postscript:
'knickers in a twist' is a way of saying 'I perceive that something, under the surface, unseen, may be troubling you'. You need therapist-level sensitivity, to be able to pull off saying that to somebody without enraging them.
Out of sorts, don't get upset
You could say 'don't get upset', or 'there's no need to get out of sorts about it'.
Note that 'knickers in a twist' is a fairly rude phrase. Saying it directly to someone is always going to be really 'fanning the flames' - not calming the situation. You can't convert a rude phrase like this into something polite without changing its very nature.
Non-rude alternatives are going to need to include genuine care for the person and be calming or assisting the situation.
You may however, harmlessly use the phrase to talk about someone out of their earshot, like 'my boss really got his knickers in a twist about my lateness'. But if he overheard you saying it - that would be baaaad! Sooo. Bad.
Note that in UK English we use the expression for men or women, still with 'knickers'.
Why? Well it's even more funny!
Postscript:
'knickers in a twist' is a way of saying 'I perceive that something, under the surface, unseen, may be troubling you'. You need therapist-level sensitivity, to be able to pull off saying that to somebody without enraging them.
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(Please see clarifying update in question.) What do you think about Scample's proposal of the undies?
– aparente001
2 hours ago
"Get upset" does work -- but it's a bit flavorless. I think "bent out of shape" sounds more like an expression or idiom. // Thanks for explaining the funny aspect in the UK of men referring to the knickers.
– aparente001
1 hour ago
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(Please see clarifying update in question.) What do you think about Scample's proposal of the undies?
– aparente001
2 hours ago
"Get upset" does work -- but it's a bit flavorless. I think "bent out of shape" sounds more like an expression or idiom. // Thanks for explaining the funny aspect in the UK of men referring to the knickers.
– aparente001
1 hour ago
(Please see clarifying update in question.) What do you think about Scample's proposal of the undies?
– aparente001
2 hours ago
(Please see clarifying update in question.) What do you think about Scample's proposal of the undies?
– aparente001
2 hours ago
"Get upset" does work -- but it's a bit flavorless. I think "bent out of shape" sounds more like an expression or idiom. // Thanks for explaining the funny aspect in the UK of men referring to the knickers.
– aparente001
1 hour ago
"Get upset" does work -- but it's a bit flavorless. I think "bent out of shape" sounds more like an expression or idiom. // Thanks for explaining the funny aspect in the UK of men referring to the knickers.
– aparente001
1 hour ago
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There are some proposals written by a Jacob Weeks on Quora:
Growing up I read a lot of Andy Griffiths books, and my answer is
heavily influenced by that fact. My chosen phrases are:
- Don't get your knickers in a knot
- Don't get your trousers in a twist
Here are some that I have concocted:
Don't get your slacks in a swivel
Don't get your jeans in a jerk
I also came up with this one, but I don't think it has quite the same
ring to it:
- Don't get your underwear into an undulation
The first two are too gender-suggestive; the jeans won't work because jerk isn't a gracious word; slacks might work but I think the undulation is funnier, so that's my current best candidate.
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There are some proposals written by a Jacob Weeks on Quora:
Growing up I read a lot of Andy Griffiths books, and my answer is
heavily influenced by that fact. My chosen phrases are:
- Don't get your knickers in a knot
- Don't get your trousers in a twist
Here are some that I have concocted:
Don't get your slacks in a swivel
Don't get your jeans in a jerk
I also came up with this one, but I don't think it has quite the same
ring to it:
- Don't get your underwear into an undulation
The first two are too gender-suggestive; the jeans won't work because jerk isn't a gracious word; slacks might work but I think the undulation is funnier, so that's my current best candidate.
add a comment
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There are some proposals written by a Jacob Weeks on Quora:
Growing up I read a lot of Andy Griffiths books, and my answer is
heavily influenced by that fact. My chosen phrases are:
- Don't get your knickers in a knot
- Don't get your trousers in a twist
Here are some that I have concocted:
Don't get your slacks in a swivel
Don't get your jeans in a jerk
I also came up with this one, but I don't think it has quite the same
ring to it:
- Don't get your underwear into an undulation
The first two are too gender-suggestive; the jeans won't work because jerk isn't a gracious word; slacks might work but I think the undulation is funnier, so that's my current best candidate.
There are some proposals written by a Jacob Weeks on Quora:
Growing up I read a lot of Andy Griffiths books, and my answer is
heavily influenced by that fact. My chosen phrases are:
- Don't get your knickers in a knot
- Don't get your trousers in a twist
Here are some that I have concocted:
Don't get your slacks in a swivel
Don't get your jeans in a jerk
I also came up with this one, but I don't think it has quite the same
ring to it:
- Don't get your underwear into an undulation
The first two are too gender-suggestive; the jeans won't work because jerk isn't a gracious word; slacks might work but I think the undulation is funnier, so that's my current best candidate.
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I have always liked "I won't get my undies in a bundle". Though, technically, undies usually refer to woman/girl underwear, it doesn't necessarily always refer to female underwear.
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Oh shoot. I just checked a dictionary and saw that you're right, undies are apparently primarily for girls and women. I was thinking this was going to work when @Scample proposed it. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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I have always liked "I won't get my undies in a bundle". Though, technically, undies usually refer to woman/girl underwear, it doesn't necessarily always refer to female underwear.
New contributor
Oh shoot. I just checked a dictionary and saw that you're right, undies are apparently primarily for girls and women. I was thinking this was going to work when @Scample proposed it. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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I have always liked "I won't get my undies in a bundle". Though, technically, undies usually refer to woman/girl underwear, it doesn't necessarily always refer to female underwear.
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I have always liked "I won't get my undies in a bundle". Though, technically, undies usually refer to woman/girl underwear, it doesn't necessarily always refer to female underwear.
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Oh shoot. I just checked a dictionary and saw that you're right, undies are apparently primarily for girls and women. I was thinking this was going to work when @Scample proposed it. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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Oh shoot. I just checked a dictionary and saw that you're right, undies are apparently primarily for girls and women. I was thinking this was going to work when @Scample proposed it. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
Oh shoot. I just checked a dictionary and saw that you're right, undies are apparently primarily for girls and women. I was thinking this was going to work when @Scample proposed it. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
Oh shoot. I just checked a dictionary and saw that you're right, undies are apparently primarily for girls and women. I was thinking this was going to work when @Scample proposed it. Oh well, back to the drawing board.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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flip your biscuits
– samgak
2 hours ago
@samgak - I think you've got the question backwards -- please see the update.
– aparente001
2 hours ago
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"I'm not gonna flip a biscuit"?
– samgak
2 hours ago
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The dictionary definition of the idiom "knickers in a twist" doesn't mention gender. I'm sure I've heard both that and "knickers in a knot" applied to both women and men here in Australia.
– nnnnnn
2 hours ago
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@aparente001 I'm addressing the title of your question. If that's not what you want to ask, then you need to rephrase it.
– Jason Bassford
2 hours ago