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Which note goes on which side of the stem?


Trying to program a piano staff/stave. Is this what it's supposed to look like?Question about “The Place I'll Return to Someday” music sheetWhat is the purpose of two staff lines?Is it fair to say the treble clef is optimized for piano?Unplayed 2nd voice in notation - spaces or restsIs dictating a score from memory a good way to test if the piece is memorized?Chord stretched across treble clef and bass clefHow to disable or limit compression of over-full pages in Lilypond?What is this type of notehead called?What's the name for when you write multiple voices on same staff? And are there any cons?






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When writing music in sheet music form, I know that when writing harmonic intervals of a second, one of the two notes is on the opposite side of the notehead. My trouble is determining which note to put on the opposite side of the stem. What are the conventions as to which noteheads go on which side of the stem? Do lines and spaces make the difference? Is it vertical position on the staff? And how does this apply to the same situation when the two notes are in different voices?










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    When writing music in sheet music form, I know that when writing harmonic intervals of a second, one of the two notes is on the opposite side of the notehead. My trouble is determining which note to put on the opposite side of the stem. What are the conventions as to which noteheads go on which side of the stem? Do lines and spaces make the difference? Is it vertical position on the staff? And how does this apply to the same situation when the two notes are in different voices?










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      When writing music in sheet music form, I know that when writing harmonic intervals of a second, one of the two notes is on the opposite side of the notehead. My trouble is determining which note to put on the opposite side of the stem. What are the conventions as to which noteheads go on which side of the stem? Do lines and spaces make the difference? Is it vertical position on the staff? And how does this apply to the same situation when the two notes are in different voices?










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      When writing music in sheet music form, I know that when writing harmonic intervals of a second, one of the two notes is on the opposite side of the notehead. My trouble is determining which note to put on the opposite side of the stem. What are the conventions as to which noteheads go on which side of the stem? Do lines and spaces make the difference? Is it vertical position on the staff? And how does this apply to the same situation when the two notes are in different voices?







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          I've always understood that the lower pitch of the harmonic second occurs on the left side:



          enter image description here



          This is also true when additional pitches are added in. On beat four, the E is now on the right because the first second encountered is D–E (and no longer E–F).



          enter image description here



          When you're writing separate voices, however, you write the higher pitch first, with the lower voice offset a bit to the right:



          enter image description here






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          • I just noticed that the separate voices case sort of automatically aligns the two stems to create the illusion of one longer stem running through the entire staff. That'll make that easy to remember. This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. (Also, I can't believe I never thought to actually fire up my notation software to experiment...)

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          • The one thing I figured out in the software is that sometimes, when there's more than two notes, one can add a random note that doesn't even create a 2nd with any other notes, and all the notes that aren't part of a 2nd will flip over to the other side! A bit of experimentation later, I found out that adding that note was causing the program to flip the stems to point in the other direction (above/below the middle line, the added note changed the direction of the stems), so all the normal notes also switched sides. Anyway, thanks.

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          I've always understood that the lower pitch of the harmonic second occurs on the left side:



          enter image description here



          This is also true when additional pitches are added in. On beat four, the E is now on the right because the first second encountered is D–E (and no longer E–F).



          enter image description here



          When you're writing separate voices, however, you write the higher pitch first, with the lower voice offset a bit to the right:



          enter image description here






          share|improve this answer

























          • I just noticed that the separate voices case sort of automatically aligns the two stems to create the illusion of one longer stem running through the entire staff. That'll make that easy to remember. This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. (Also, I can't believe I never thought to actually fire up my notation software to experiment...)

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          • The one thing I figured out in the software is that sometimes, when there's more than two notes, one can add a random note that doesn't even create a 2nd with any other notes, and all the notes that aren't part of a 2nd will flip over to the other side! A bit of experimentation later, I found out that adding that note was causing the program to flip the stems to point in the other direction (above/below the middle line, the added note changed the direction of the stems), so all the normal notes also switched sides. Anyway, thanks.

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          I've always understood that the lower pitch of the harmonic second occurs on the left side:



          enter image description here



          This is also true when additional pitches are added in. On beat four, the E is now on the right because the first second encountered is D–E (and no longer E–F).



          enter image description here



          When you're writing separate voices, however, you write the higher pitch first, with the lower voice offset a bit to the right:



          enter image description here






          share|improve this answer

























          • I just noticed that the separate voices case sort of automatically aligns the two stems to create the illusion of one longer stem running through the entire staff. That'll make that easy to remember. This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. (Also, I can't believe I never thought to actually fire up my notation software to experiment...)

            – user45266
            2 hours ago











          • The one thing I figured out in the software is that sometimes, when there's more than two notes, one can add a random note that doesn't even create a 2nd with any other notes, and all the notes that aren't part of a 2nd will flip over to the other side! A bit of experimentation later, I found out that adding that note was causing the program to flip the stems to point in the other direction (above/below the middle line, the added note changed the direction of the stems), so all the normal notes also switched sides. Anyway, thanks.

            – user45266
            2 hours ago














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          I've always understood that the lower pitch of the harmonic second occurs on the left side:



          enter image description here



          This is also true when additional pitches are added in. On beat four, the E is now on the right because the first second encountered is D–E (and no longer E–F).



          enter image description here



          When you're writing separate voices, however, you write the higher pitch first, with the lower voice offset a bit to the right:



          enter image description here






          share|improve this answer













          I've always understood that the lower pitch of the harmonic second occurs on the left side:



          enter image description here



          This is also true when additional pitches are added in. On beat four, the E is now on the right because the first second encountered is D–E (and no longer E–F).



          enter image description here



          When you're writing separate voices, however, you write the higher pitch first, with the lower voice offset a bit to the right:



          enter image description here







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          • I just noticed that the separate voices case sort of automatically aligns the two stems to create the illusion of one longer stem running through the entire staff. That'll make that easy to remember. This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. (Also, I can't believe I never thought to actually fire up my notation software to experiment...)

            – user45266
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          • The one thing I figured out in the software is that sometimes, when there's more than two notes, one can add a random note that doesn't even create a 2nd with any other notes, and all the notes that aren't part of a 2nd will flip over to the other side! A bit of experimentation later, I found out that adding that note was causing the program to flip the stems to point in the other direction (above/below the middle line, the added note changed the direction of the stems), so all the normal notes also switched sides. Anyway, thanks.

            – user45266
            2 hours ago


















          • I just noticed that the separate voices case sort of automatically aligns the two stems to create the illusion of one longer stem running through the entire staff. That'll make that easy to remember. This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. (Also, I can't believe I never thought to actually fire up my notation software to experiment...)

            – user45266
            2 hours ago











          • The one thing I figured out in the software is that sometimes, when there's more than two notes, one can add a random note that doesn't even create a 2nd with any other notes, and all the notes that aren't part of a 2nd will flip over to the other side! A bit of experimentation later, I found out that adding that note was causing the program to flip the stems to point in the other direction (above/below the middle line, the added note changed the direction of the stems), so all the normal notes also switched sides. Anyway, thanks.

            – user45266
            2 hours ago

















          I just noticed that the separate voices case sort of automatically aligns the two stems to create the illusion of one longer stem running through the entire staff. That'll make that easy to remember. This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. (Also, I can't believe I never thought to actually fire up my notation software to experiment...)

          – user45266
          2 hours ago





          I just noticed that the separate voices case sort of automatically aligns the two stems to create the illusion of one longer stem running through the entire staff. That'll make that easy to remember. This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. (Also, I can't believe I never thought to actually fire up my notation software to experiment...)

          – user45266
          2 hours ago













          The one thing I figured out in the software is that sometimes, when there's more than two notes, one can add a random note that doesn't even create a 2nd with any other notes, and all the notes that aren't part of a 2nd will flip over to the other side! A bit of experimentation later, I found out that adding that note was causing the program to flip the stems to point in the other direction (above/below the middle line, the added note changed the direction of the stems), so all the normal notes also switched sides. Anyway, thanks.

          – user45266
          2 hours ago






          The one thing I figured out in the software is that sometimes, when there's more than two notes, one can add a random note that doesn't even create a 2nd with any other notes, and all the notes that aren't part of a 2nd will flip over to the other side! A bit of experimentation later, I found out that adding that note was causing the program to flip the stems to point in the other direction (above/below the middle line, the added note changed the direction of the stems), so all the normal notes also switched sides. Anyway, thanks.

          – user45266
          2 hours ago


















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