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How to analyze “dearly beloved”?
How should I use “passive-aggressive” as an adverb?How to use 'even so'?how long can a noun phrase be?Adverbs modifying nouns?How can I omit adverbs to impart a strong feeling?How to use the word 'party' as an adverb?How to determine if a pre-head dependent of a noun is a complement or a modifierHow to use “same” as an adverb?
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I'm curious about the phrase “dearly beloved”. – It looks to me to be a phrase consisting of an adverb (dearly) modifying a noun (beloved). But I thought adverbs could only modify verbs or adjectives?
So what am I missing here? What are the parts of speech of this phrase, and how do they go together?
Edit: I’m thinking of the noun phrase (as used, e.g. in addressing someone). Originally I encountered this in the phrase in a Bad Religion song by the same name. In which the chrorus is:
Dearly beloved, dearly beloved, dearly beloved
Make no mistake, despite our traits, I've seldom seen
I can't relate to you
I can't relate to you
But wikipedia has a whole long list of novels, songs etc. with “Dearly Beloved” as a title.
I realise (as pointed out in the comments below) that dearly beloved might also be interpreted as a verb phrase, but my question is not intended to be about that.
adverbs noun-phrases
add a comment |
I'm curious about the phrase “dearly beloved”. – It looks to me to be a phrase consisting of an adverb (dearly) modifying a noun (beloved). But I thought adverbs could only modify verbs or adjectives?
So what am I missing here? What are the parts of speech of this phrase, and how do they go together?
Edit: I’m thinking of the noun phrase (as used, e.g. in addressing someone). Originally I encountered this in the phrase in a Bad Religion song by the same name. In which the chrorus is:
Dearly beloved, dearly beloved, dearly beloved
Make no mistake, despite our traits, I've seldom seen
I can't relate to you
I can't relate to you
But wikipedia has a whole long list of novels, songs etc. with “Dearly Beloved” as a title.
I realise (as pointed out in the comments below) that dearly beloved might also be interpreted as a verb phrase, but my question is not intended to be about that.
adverbs noun-phrases
I don't believe "beloved" is a noun.
– user356866
9 hours ago
Martha was dearly beloved by Jack.
– Hot Licks
8 hours ago
You have to distinguish between the 3-syllable and the 2-syllable version. The vocative expression one hears at some weddings, for instance, is Dearly Belovèd, with three syllables, and that word doesn't necessarily occur in the same places as the two-syllable version, though the meanings are more or less the same.
– John Lawler
4 hours ago
add a comment |
I'm curious about the phrase “dearly beloved”. – It looks to me to be a phrase consisting of an adverb (dearly) modifying a noun (beloved). But I thought adverbs could only modify verbs or adjectives?
So what am I missing here? What are the parts of speech of this phrase, and how do they go together?
Edit: I’m thinking of the noun phrase (as used, e.g. in addressing someone). Originally I encountered this in the phrase in a Bad Religion song by the same name. In which the chrorus is:
Dearly beloved, dearly beloved, dearly beloved
Make no mistake, despite our traits, I've seldom seen
I can't relate to you
I can't relate to you
But wikipedia has a whole long list of novels, songs etc. with “Dearly Beloved” as a title.
I realise (as pointed out in the comments below) that dearly beloved might also be interpreted as a verb phrase, but my question is not intended to be about that.
adverbs noun-phrases
I'm curious about the phrase “dearly beloved”. – It looks to me to be a phrase consisting of an adverb (dearly) modifying a noun (beloved). But I thought adverbs could only modify verbs or adjectives?
So what am I missing here? What are the parts of speech of this phrase, and how do they go together?
Edit: I’m thinking of the noun phrase (as used, e.g. in addressing someone). Originally I encountered this in the phrase in a Bad Religion song by the same name. In which the chrorus is:
Dearly beloved, dearly beloved, dearly beloved
Make no mistake, despite our traits, I've seldom seen
I can't relate to you
I can't relate to you
But wikipedia has a whole long list of novels, songs etc. with “Dearly Beloved” as a title.
I realise (as pointed out in the comments below) that dearly beloved might also be interpreted as a verb phrase, but my question is not intended to be about that.
adverbs noun-phrases
adverbs noun-phrases
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I don't believe "beloved" is a noun.
– user356866
9 hours ago
Martha was dearly beloved by Jack.
– Hot Licks
8 hours ago
You have to distinguish between the 3-syllable and the 2-syllable version. The vocative expression one hears at some weddings, for instance, is Dearly Belovèd, with three syllables, and that word doesn't necessarily occur in the same places as the two-syllable version, though the meanings are more or less the same.
– John Lawler
4 hours ago
add a comment |
I don't believe "beloved" is a noun.
– user356866
9 hours ago
Martha was dearly beloved by Jack.
– Hot Licks
8 hours ago
You have to distinguish between the 3-syllable and the 2-syllable version. The vocative expression one hears at some weddings, for instance, is Dearly Belovèd, with three syllables, and that word doesn't necessarily occur in the same places as the two-syllable version, though the meanings are more or less the same.
– John Lawler
4 hours ago
I don't believe "beloved" is a noun.
– user356866
9 hours ago
I don't believe "beloved" is a noun.
– user356866
9 hours ago
Martha was dearly beloved by Jack.
– Hot Licks
8 hours ago
Martha was dearly beloved by Jack.
– Hot Licks
8 hours ago
You have to distinguish between the 3-syllable and the 2-syllable version. The vocative expression one hears at some weddings, for instance, is Dearly Belovèd, with three syllables, and that word doesn't necessarily occur in the same places as the two-syllable version, though the meanings are more or less the same.
– John Lawler
4 hours ago
You have to distinguish between the 3-syllable and the 2-syllable version. The vocative expression one hears at some weddings, for instance, is Dearly Belovèd, with three syllables, and that word doesn't necessarily occur in the same places as the two-syllable version, though the meanings are more or less the same.
– John Lawler
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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Beloved seems to be either an adjective or a past participle acting as a noun.
This use is similar to "the fallen" to mean the people who have died. To modify this phrase, we have two options: (1) modify the noun derived from the participle by adding an adjective, or (2) modify the participle by adding an adverb and then make the whole phrase into a noun.
1) Recent fallen - "fallen" is essentially a noun phrase, but a one-word phrase because we've elided a word. "Fallen" is essentially fallen people. We can modify the whole noun phrase (fallen people) by adding an adjective. Thus, recent fallen -> recent (fallen people) -> fallen people who are recent.
2) Recently fallen - if we use an adverb instead of an adjective, we must be modifying the participle, rather than the noun phrase. Recently modifies fallen, not fallen people. Thus, recently fallen -> recently fallen (people) -> people who have fallen recently.
Likewise with beloved. We can modify the noun: dear beloved. This would describe beloved people who are dear.
We can modify the adjective/participle: dearly beloved. This would describe people who are beloved dearly.
The recent fallen is perfectly fine – it just refers to the fallen people who are recent, as opposed to the people who have fallen recently. Similarly, dear beloved is perfectly grammatical, referring to loved ones who are also dear, as opposed to the ones who are loved dearly (by us). Semantically, both those examples are not very likely to occur in normal conversation, but they’re grammatical and might make sense in some context or other.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
8 hours ago
Right. I wasn't thinking of that @JanusBahsJacquet. I'll edit.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
So there’s a difference in meaning betwen dearly beloved and dear beloved?
– zrajm
8 hours ago
2
@zrajm, in theory there's a difference, but not in practice. First, dearly beloved is an idiom; it's meaning is not literal. Second, the meanings of dear and beloved overlap. Can someone be beloved and not dear? Third, if you address someone as "dear beloved," it will sound like you're addressing a letter ("Dear Mrs. Beloved..."). But take another example: "crazy/crazily." Crazy beloved would describe a person who is loved and who is crazy. Crazily beloved would describe a person who is loved to a crazy degree. Those are very different concepts.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
2
Or even more clearly (since crazy is quite common as a flat adverb, making the difference harder to distinguish), insane beloved is someone who’s insane but you love them; insanely beloved is someone you love to an insane degree.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
7 hours ago
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Beloved seems to be either an adjective or a past participle acting as a noun.
This use is similar to "the fallen" to mean the people who have died. To modify this phrase, we have two options: (1) modify the noun derived from the participle by adding an adjective, or (2) modify the participle by adding an adverb and then make the whole phrase into a noun.
1) Recent fallen - "fallen" is essentially a noun phrase, but a one-word phrase because we've elided a word. "Fallen" is essentially fallen people. We can modify the whole noun phrase (fallen people) by adding an adjective. Thus, recent fallen -> recent (fallen people) -> fallen people who are recent.
2) Recently fallen - if we use an adverb instead of an adjective, we must be modifying the participle, rather than the noun phrase. Recently modifies fallen, not fallen people. Thus, recently fallen -> recently fallen (people) -> people who have fallen recently.
Likewise with beloved. We can modify the noun: dear beloved. This would describe beloved people who are dear.
We can modify the adjective/participle: dearly beloved. This would describe people who are beloved dearly.
The recent fallen is perfectly fine – it just refers to the fallen people who are recent, as opposed to the people who have fallen recently. Similarly, dear beloved is perfectly grammatical, referring to loved ones who are also dear, as opposed to the ones who are loved dearly (by us). Semantically, both those examples are not very likely to occur in normal conversation, but they’re grammatical and might make sense in some context or other.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
8 hours ago
Right. I wasn't thinking of that @JanusBahsJacquet. I'll edit.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
So there’s a difference in meaning betwen dearly beloved and dear beloved?
– zrajm
8 hours ago
2
@zrajm, in theory there's a difference, but not in practice. First, dearly beloved is an idiom; it's meaning is not literal. Second, the meanings of dear and beloved overlap. Can someone be beloved and not dear? Third, if you address someone as "dear beloved," it will sound like you're addressing a letter ("Dear Mrs. Beloved..."). But take another example: "crazy/crazily." Crazy beloved would describe a person who is loved and who is crazy. Crazily beloved would describe a person who is loved to a crazy degree. Those are very different concepts.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
2
Or even more clearly (since crazy is quite common as a flat adverb, making the difference harder to distinguish), insane beloved is someone who’s insane but you love them; insanely beloved is someone you love to an insane degree.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Beloved seems to be either an adjective or a past participle acting as a noun.
This use is similar to "the fallen" to mean the people who have died. To modify this phrase, we have two options: (1) modify the noun derived from the participle by adding an adjective, or (2) modify the participle by adding an adverb and then make the whole phrase into a noun.
1) Recent fallen - "fallen" is essentially a noun phrase, but a one-word phrase because we've elided a word. "Fallen" is essentially fallen people. We can modify the whole noun phrase (fallen people) by adding an adjective. Thus, recent fallen -> recent (fallen people) -> fallen people who are recent.
2) Recently fallen - if we use an adverb instead of an adjective, we must be modifying the participle, rather than the noun phrase. Recently modifies fallen, not fallen people. Thus, recently fallen -> recently fallen (people) -> people who have fallen recently.
Likewise with beloved. We can modify the noun: dear beloved. This would describe beloved people who are dear.
We can modify the adjective/participle: dearly beloved. This would describe people who are beloved dearly.
The recent fallen is perfectly fine – it just refers to the fallen people who are recent, as opposed to the people who have fallen recently. Similarly, dear beloved is perfectly grammatical, referring to loved ones who are also dear, as opposed to the ones who are loved dearly (by us). Semantically, both those examples are not very likely to occur in normal conversation, but they’re grammatical and might make sense in some context or other.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
8 hours ago
Right. I wasn't thinking of that @JanusBahsJacquet. I'll edit.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
So there’s a difference in meaning betwen dearly beloved and dear beloved?
– zrajm
8 hours ago
2
@zrajm, in theory there's a difference, but not in practice. First, dearly beloved is an idiom; it's meaning is not literal. Second, the meanings of dear and beloved overlap. Can someone be beloved and not dear? Third, if you address someone as "dear beloved," it will sound like you're addressing a letter ("Dear Mrs. Beloved..."). But take another example: "crazy/crazily." Crazy beloved would describe a person who is loved and who is crazy. Crazily beloved would describe a person who is loved to a crazy degree. Those are very different concepts.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
2
Or even more clearly (since crazy is quite common as a flat adverb, making the difference harder to distinguish), insane beloved is someone who’s insane but you love them; insanely beloved is someone you love to an insane degree.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
7 hours ago
add a comment |
Beloved seems to be either an adjective or a past participle acting as a noun.
This use is similar to "the fallen" to mean the people who have died. To modify this phrase, we have two options: (1) modify the noun derived from the participle by adding an adjective, or (2) modify the participle by adding an adverb and then make the whole phrase into a noun.
1) Recent fallen - "fallen" is essentially a noun phrase, but a one-word phrase because we've elided a word. "Fallen" is essentially fallen people. We can modify the whole noun phrase (fallen people) by adding an adjective. Thus, recent fallen -> recent (fallen people) -> fallen people who are recent.
2) Recently fallen - if we use an adverb instead of an adjective, we must be modifying the participle, rather than the noun phrase. Recently modifies fallen, not fallen people. Thus, recently fallen -> recently fallen (people) -> people who have fallen recently.
Likewise with beloved. We can modify the noun: dear beloved. This would describe beloved people who are dear.
We can modify the adjective/participle: dearly beloved. This would describe people who are beloved dearly.
Beloved seems to be either an adjective or a past participle acting as a noun.
This use is similar to "the fallen" to mean the people who have died. To modify this phrase, we have two options: (1) modify the noun derived from the participle by adding an adjective, or (2) modify the participle by adding an adverb and then make the whole phrase into a noun.
1) Recent fallen - "fallen" is essentially a noun phrase, but a one-word phrase because we've elided a word. "Fallen" is essentially fallen people. We can modify the whole noun phrase (fallen people) by adding an adjective. Thus, recent fallen -> recent (fallen people) -> fallen people who are recent.
2) Recently fallen - if we use an adverb instead of an adjective, we must be modifying the participle, rather than the noun phrase. Recently modifies fallen, not fallen people. Thus, recently fallen -> recently fallen (people) -> people who have fallen recently.
Likewise with beloved. We can modify the noun: dear beloved. This would describe beloved people who are dear.
We can modify the adjective/participle: dearly beloved. This would describe people who are beloved dearly.
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The recent fallen is perfectly fine – it just refers to the fallen people who are recent, as opposed to the people who have fallen recently. Similarly, dear beloved is perfectly grammatical, referring to loved ones who are also dear, as opposed to the ones who are loved dearly (by us). Semantically, both those examples are not very likely to occur in normal conversation, but they’re grammatical and might make sense in some context or other.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
8 hours ago
Right. I wasn't thinking of that @JanusBahsJacquet. I'll edit.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
So there’s a difference in meaning betwen dearly beloved and dear beloved?
– zrajm
8 hours ago
2
@zrajm, in theory there's a difference, but not in practice. First, dearly beloved is an idiom; it's meaning is not literal. Second, the meanings of dear and beloved overlap. Can someone be beloved and not dear? Third, if you address someone as "dear beloved," it will sound like you're addressing a letter ("Dear Mrs. Beloved..."). But take another example: "crazy/crazily." Crazy beloved would describe a person who is loved and who is crazy. Crazily beloved would describe a person who is loved to a crazy degree. Those are very different concepts.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
2
Or even more clearly (since crazy is quite common as a flat adverb, making the difference harder to distinguish), insane beloved is someone who’s insane but you love them; insanely beloved is someone you love to an insane degree.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
7 hours ago
add a comment |
The recent fallen is perfectly fine – it just refers to the fallen people who are recent, as opposed to the people who have fallen recently. Similarly, dear beloved is perfectly grammatical, referring to loved ones who are also dear, as opposed to the ones who are loved dearly (by us). Semantically, both those examples are not very likely to occur in normal conversation, but they’re grammatical and might make sense in some context or other.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
8 hours ago
Right. I wasn't thinking of that @JanusBahsJacquet. I'll edit.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
So there’s a difference in meaning betwen dearly beloved and dear beloved?
– zrajm
8 hours ago
2
@zrajm, in theory there's a difference, but not in practice. First, dearly beloved is an idiom; it's meaning is not literal. Second, the meanings of dear and beloved overlap. Can someone be beloved and not dear? Third, if you address someone as "dear beloved," it will sound like you're addressing a letter ("Dear Mrs. Beloved..."). But take another example: "crazy/crazily." Crazy beloved would describe a person who is loved and who is crazy. Crazily beloved would describe a person who is loved to a crazy degree. Those are very different concepts.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
2
Or even more clearly (since crazy is quite common as a flat adverb, making the difference harder to distinguish), insane beloved is someone who’s insane but you love them; insanely beloved is someone you love to an insane degree.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
7 hours ago
The recent fallen is perfectly fine – it just refers to the fallen people who are recent, as opposed to the people who have fallen recently. Similarly, dear beloved is perfectly grammatical, referring to loved ones who are also dear, as opposed to the ones who are loved dearly (by us). Semantically, both those examples are not very likely to occur in normal conversation, but they’re grammatical and might make sense in some context or other.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
8 hours ago
The recent fallen is perfectly fine – it just refers to the fallen people who are recent, as opposed to the people who have fallen recently. Similarly, dear beloved is perfectly grammatical, referring to loved ones who are also dear, as opposed to the ones who are loved dearly (by us). Semantically, both those examples are not very likely to occur in normal conversation, but they’re grammatical and might make sense in some context or other.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
8 hours ago
Right. I wasn't thinking of that @JanusBahsJacquet. I'll edit.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
Right. I wasn't thinking of that @JanusBahsJacquet. I'll edit.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
So there’s a difference in meaning betwen dearly beloved and dear beloved?
– zrajm
8 hours ago
So there’s a difference in meaning betwen dearly beloved and dear beloved?
– zrajm
8 hours ago
2
2
@zrajm, in theory there's a difference, but not in practice. First, dearly beloved is an idiom; it's meaning is not literal. Second, the meanings of dear and beloved overlap. Can someone be beloved and not dear? Third, if you address someone as "dear beloved," it will sound like you're addressing a letter ("Dear Mrs. Beloved..."). But take another example: "crazy/crazily." Crazy beloved would describe a person who is loved and who is crazy. Crazily beloved would describe a person who is loved to a crazy degree. Those are very different concepts.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
@zrajm, in theory there's a difference, but not in practice. First, dearly beloved is an idiom; it's meaning is not literal. Second, the meanings of dear and beloved overlap. Can someone be beloved and not dear? Third, if you address someone as "dear beloved," it will sound like you're addressing a letter ("Dear Mrs. Beloved..."). But take another example: "crazy/crazily." Crazy beloved would describe a person who is loved and who is crazy. Crazily beloved would describe a person who is loved to a crazy degree. Those are very different concepts.
– Juhasz
8 hours ago
2
2
Or even more clearly (since crazy is quite common as a flat adverb, making the difference harder to distinguish), insane beloved is someone who’s insane but you love them; insanely beloved is someone you love to an insane degree.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
7 hours ago
Or even more clearly (since crazy is quite common as a flat adverb, making the difference harder to distinguish), insane beloved is someone who’s insane but you love them; insanely beloved is someone you love to an insane degree.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
7 hours ago
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I don't believe "beloved" is a noun.
– user356866
9 hours ago
Martha was dearly beloved by Jack.
– Hot Licks
8 hours ago
You have to distinguish between the 3-syllable and the 2-syllable version. The vocative expression one hears at some weddings, for instance, is Dearly Belovèd, with three syllables, and that word doesn't necessarily occur in the same places as the two-syllable version, though the meanings are more or less the same.
– John Lawler
4 hours ago