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          An important factor here is the treaties a country has signed up to. In this case, a relevant one is the 1951 Refugee Convention. From UNHCR:




          The 1951 Refugee Convention is the key legal document that forms the basis of our work. Ratified​ by 145 State parties, it defines the term ‘refugee’ and outlines the rights of the displaced, as well as the legal obligations of States to protect them.



          The core principle is non-refoulement, which asserts that a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom. This is now considered a rule of customary international law.




          Then there is the 1967 convention, which Wikipedia has the following about:




          Where the 1951 United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees had restricted refugee status to those whose circumstances had come about "as a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951", as well as giving states party to the Convention the option of interpreting this as "events occurring in Europe" or "events occurring in Europe or elsewhere", the 1967 Protocol removed both the temporal and geographic restrictions. This was needed in the historical context of refugee flows resulting from decolonisation.




          Many countries are party to those treaties, as illustrated by the image below:
          enter image description here



          Image from Wikipedia, in the public domain



          The legend:



          Light Green = party to only the 1951
          Convention Yellow = party to only the 1967 Protocol
          Dark green = party to both






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            It is notable than two countries who are not party to either convention, Lebanon and Jordan, are the ones who host the most refugees in 2019 (relatively to their population at least).

            – Evargalo
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            This map is weird. Am I reading this correctly; the 1967 treaty is the only one that matters since the 1951 one is restricted to "as a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951"? Why care about whether someone's signed the 1951 one at all?

            – JollyJoker
            18 hours ago






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            @JollyJoker: For historical reasons. The 1951 Convention was mostly intended to address people displaced by WW2 and its immediate aftermath (which I imagine is why the US didn't bother to sign it - they probably figured the war was an ocean away and not relevant to domestic immigration law).

            – Kevin
            12 hours ago






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            How does this answer the question? What are the consequences? Saudi Arabia isn't taking any refugees from middle east, and they don't give a shit. Are there any real consequences?

            – Davor
            11 hours ago











          • @Davor this is mostly an answer to the last part of the question. As for consequences, I don't think there are hard consequences laid out in the treaties. It's like a promise to a colleague. Sure, you can break them, but you will have to work with them the next day and possibly long after that too.

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          Really the compulsion is a moral and practical one, rather than something enforced by international law: refugees tend to arrive in large numbers, turning them away is both difficult and tends to get them killed. It may be difficult to deport people to a war zone, e.g. if there are no functioning airports.



          The shadow of the Holocaust hangs over 20th-century refugee policy. Before WW2, lots of Jewish refugees were turned away. It became clear afterwards that this was complicity with their mass murder.






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            "refugees tend to arrive in large numbers" - Note that not all people who arrive (whether in large numbers or as individuals) are genuine refugees. Some may be genuine; others may be lying, or exaggerating their claims. See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker . So each must be assessed on an individual basis on their own merits. Obviously there are historic examples whereby there were indeed masses of genuine refugees (Jewish people from Nazi Germany etc). However in modern times it's important not to blindly accept anyone who claims to be fleeing persecution, as genuine.

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            @ChrisMelville not sure if the comparison with Jewish refugees is very apt, many weren't treated as genuine refugees. Consider the term 'internment of refugees as enemy aliens' in a review of Whitehall and the Jews, 1933-1948: British Immigration Policy, Jewish Refugees and the Holocaust.

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          This can be complicated. Some countries recognize other countries as decent, safe nations. Some countries on this planet only border safe countries and may have established "safe third country" treaties with them where neither country will recognize refugee claims by anyone who travels through the other country and arrives at the border. (The idea being that they are already at a safe country and therefore can't seek asylum since they are already safe.) This is further complicated by other factors of course like countries that allows free travel among eachother.



          I bring this up because in the modern conversations around European and North American refugee claimants, some people and governments (cough Trump) have asserted they shouldn't accept refugees who have traveled through safe countries (cough Mexico) because the refugee was in a safe country before arriving.



          My own country, Canada, is in a particularly nasty situation where for the past number of years we've had people cross our southern border then claim refugee status. If we deny them refugee status, where do we deport them? The US won't be happy and we can't ship them to the country they are fleeing from. If we accept them, we're tarnishing our relationship by functionally calling the USA an unsafe country.






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          • What countries are they coming from? "Safe country" isn't all that meaningful to certain kinds of Asylum cases. Consider if Edward Snowden were at your door.

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          • There's no point worrying about "calling the USA an unsafe country"; they're running concentration camps.

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          • Canada has an agreement with the US, so people who fall under that agreement would indeed be sent back to the US to claim asylum there. But the agreement only covers people entering Canada at a pretty of entry. This is why people are trying to cross onto Canada irregularly from the US, because that allows them to have their asylum claim heard in Canada.

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          • @dn3s: People who know what that term actually means disagree

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          An important factor here is the treaties a country has signed up to. In this case, a relevant one is the 1951 Refugee Convention. From UNHCR:




          The 1951 Refugee Convention is the key legal document that forms the basis of our work. Ratified​ by 145 State parties, it defines the term ‘refugee’ and outlines the rights of the displaced, as well as the legal obligations of States to protect them.



          The core principle is non-refoulement, which asserts that a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom. This is now considered a rule of customary international law.




          Then there is the 1967 convention, which Wikipedia has the following about:




          Where the 1951 United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees had restricted refugee status to those whose circumstances had come about "as a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951", as well as giving states party to the Convention the option of interpreting this as "events occurring in Europe" or "events occurring in Europe or elsewhere", the 1967 Protocol removed both the temporal and geographic restrictions. This was needed in the historical context of refugee flows resulting from decolonisation.




          Many countries are party to those treaties, as illustrated by the image below:
          enter image description here



          Image from Wikipedia, in the public domain



          The legend:



          Light Green = party to only the 1951
          Convention Yellow = party to only the 1967 Protocol
          Dark green = party to both






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            It is notable than two countries who are not party to either convention, Lebanon and Jordan, are the ones who host the most refugees in 2019 (relatively to their population at least).

            – Evargalo
            19 hours ago






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            This map is weird. Am I reading this correctly; the 1967 treaty is the only one that matters since the 1951 one is restricted to "as a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951"? Why care about whether someone's signed the 1951 one at all?

            – JollyJoker
            18 hours ago






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            @JollyJoker: For historical reasons. The 1951 Convention was mostly intended to address people displaced by WW2 and its immediate aftermath (which I imagine is why the US didn't bother to sign it - they probably figured the war was an ocean away and not relevant to domestic immigration law).

            – Kevin
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            How does this answer the question? What are the consequences? Saudi Arabia isn't taking any refugees from middle east, and they don't give a shit. Are there any real consequences?

            – Davor
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          • @Davor this is mostly an answer to the last part of the question. As for consequences, I don't think there are hard consequences laid out in the treaties. It's like a promise to a colleague. Sure, you can break them, but you will have to work with them the next day and possibly long after that too.

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          An important factor here is the treaties a country has signed up to. In this case, a relevant one is the 1951 Refugee Convention. From UNHCR:




          The 1951 Refugee Convention is the key legal document that forms the basis of our work. Ratified​ by 145 State parties, it defines the term ‘refugee’ and outlines the rights of the displaced, as well as the legal obligations of States to protect them.



          The core principle is non-refoulement, which asserts that a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom. This is now considered a rule of customary international law.




          Then there is the 1967 convention, which Wikipedia has the following about:




          Where the 1951 United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees had restricted refugee status to those whose circumstances had come about "as a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951", as well as giving states party to the Convention the option of interpreting this as "events occurring in Europe" or "events occurring in Europe or elsewhere", the 1967 Protocol removed both the temporal and geographic restrictions. This was needed in the historical context of refugee flows resulting from decolonisation.




          Many countries are party to those treaties, as illustrated by the image below:
          enter image description here



          Image from Wikipedia, in the public domain



          The legend:



          Light Green = party to only the 1951
          Convention Yellow = party to only the 1967 Protocol
          Dark green = party to both






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            It is notable than two countries who are not party to either convention, Lebanon and Jordan, are the ones who host the most refugees in 2019 (relatively to their population at least).

            – Evargalo
            19 hours ago






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            This map is weird. Am I reading this correctly; the 1967 treaty is the only one that matters since the 1951 one is restricted to "as a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951"? Why care about whether someone's signed the 1951 one at all?

            – JollyJoker
            18 hours ago






          • 1





            @JollyJoker: For historical reasons. The 1951 Convention was mostly intended to address people displaced by WW2 and its immediate aftermath (which I imagine is why the US didn't bother to sign it - they probably figured the war was an ocean away and not relevant to domestic immigration law).

            – Kevin
            12 hours ago






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            How does this answer the question? What are the consequences? Saudi Arabia isn't taking any refugees from middle east, and they don't give a shit. Are there any real consequences?

            – Davor
            11 hours ago











          • @Davor this is mostly an answer to the last part of the question. As for consequences, I don't think there are hard consequences laid out in the treaties. It's like a promise to a colleague. Sure, you can break them, but you will have to work with them the next day and possibly long after that too.

            – JJJ
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          An important factor here is the treaties a country has signed up to. In this case, a relevant one is the 1951 Refugee Convention. From UNHCR:




          The 1951 Refugee Convention is the key legal document that forms the basis of our work. Ratified​ by 145 State parties, it defines the term ‘refugee’ and outlines the rights of the displaced, as well as the legal obligations of States to protect them.



          The core principle is non-refoulement, which asserts that a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom. This is now considered a rule of customary international law.




          Then there is the 1967 convention, which Wikipedia has the following about:




          Where the 1951 United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees had restricted refugee status to those whose circumstances had come about "as a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951", as well as giving states party to the Convention the option of interpreting this as "events occurring in Europe" or "events occurring in Europe or elsewhere", the 1967 Protocol removed both the temporal and geographic restrictions. This was needed in the historical context of refugee flows resulting from decolonisation.




          Many countries are party to those treaties, as illustrated by the image below:
          enter image description here



          Image from Wikipedia, in the public domain



          The legend:



          Light Green = party to only the 1951
          Convention Yellow = party to only the 1967 Protocol
          Dark green = party to both






          share|improve this answer















          An important factor here is the treaties a country has signed up to. In this case, a relevant one is the 1951 Refugee Convention. From UNHCR:




          The 1951 Refugee Convention is the key legal document that forms the basis of our work. Ratified​ by 145 State parties, it defines the term ‘refugee’ and outlines the rights of the displaced, as well as the legal obligations of States to protect them.



          The core principle is non-refoulement, which asserts that a refugee should not be returned to a country where they face serious threats to their life or freedom. This is now considered a rule of customary international law.




          Then there is the 1967 convention, which Wikipedia has the following about:




          Where the 1951 United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees had restricted refugee status to those whose circumstances had come about "as a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951", as well as giving states party to the Convention the option of interpreting this as "events occurring in Europe" or "events occurring in Europe or elsewhere", the 1967 Protocol removed both the temporal and geographic restrictions. This was needed in the historical context of refugee flows resulting from decolonisation.




          Many countries are party to those treaties, as illustrated by the image below:
          enter image description here



          Image from Wikipedia, in the public domain



          The legend:



          Light Green = party to only the 1951
          Convention Yellow = party to only the 1967 Protocol
          Dark green = party to both







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            It is notable than two countries who are not party to either convention, Lebanon and Jordan, are the ones who host the most refugees in 2019 (relatively to their population at least).

            – Evargalo
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            This map is weird. Am I reading this correctly; the 1967 treaty is the only one that matters since the 1951 one is restricted to "as a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951"? Why care about whether someone's signed the 1951 one at all?

            – JollyJoker
            18 hours ago






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            @JollyJoker: For historical reasons. The 1951 Convention was mostly intended to address people displaced by WW2 and its immediate aftermath (which I imagine is why the US didn't bother to sign it - they probably figured the war was an ocean away and not relevant to domestic immigration law).

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            How does this answer the question? What are the consequences? Saudi Arabia isn't taking any refugees from middle east, and they don't give a shit. Are there any real consequences?

            – Davor
            11 hours ago











          • @Davor this is mostly an answer to the last part of the question. As for consequences, I don't think there are hard consequences laid out in the treaties. It's like a promise to a colleague. Sure, you can break them, but you will have to work with them the next day and possibly long after that too.

            – JJJ
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            It is notable than two countries who are not party to either convention, Lebanon and Jordan, are the ones who host the most refugees in 2019 (relatively to their population at least).

            – Evargalo
            19 hours ago






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            This map is weird. Am I reading this correctly; the 1967 treaty is the only one that matters since the 1951 one is restricted to "as a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951"? Why care about whether someone's signed the 1951 one at all?

            – JollyJoker
            18 hours ago






          • 1





            @JollyJoker: For historical reasons. The 1951 Convention was mostly intended to address people displaced by WW2 and its immediate aftermath (which I imagine is why the US didn't bother to sign it - they probably figured the war was an ocean away and not relevant to domestic immigration law).

            – Kevin
            12 hours ago






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            How does this answer the question? What are the consequences? Saudi Arabia isn't taking any refugees from middle east, and they don't give a shit. Are there any real consequences?

            – Davor
            11 hours ago











          • @Davor this is mostly an answer to the last part of the question. As for consequences, I don't think there are hard consequences laid out in the treaties. It's like a promise to a colleague. Sure, you can break them, but you will have to work with them the next day and possibly long after that too.

            – JJJ
            11 hours ago







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          It is notable than two countries who are not party to either convention, Lebanon and Jordan, are the ones who host the most refugees in 2019 (relatively to their population at least).

          – Evargalo
          19 hours ago





          It is notable than two countries who are not party to either convention, Lebanon and Jordan, are the ones who host the most refugees in 2019 (relatively to their population at least).

          – Evargalo
          19 hours ago




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          This map is weird. Am I reading this correctly; the 1967 treaty is the only one that matters since the 1951 one is restricted to "as a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951"? Why care about whether someone's signed the 1951 one at all?

          – JollyJoker
          18 hours ago





          This map is weird. Am I reading this correctly; the 1967 treaty is the only one that matters since the 1951 one is restricted to "as a result of events occurring before 1 January 1951"? Why care about whether someone's signed the 1951 one at all?

          – JollyJoker
          18 hours ago




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          @JollyJoker: For historical reasons. The 1951 Convention was mostly intended to address people displaced by WW2 and its immediate aftermath (which I imagine is why the US didn't bother to sign it - they probably figured the war was an ocean away and not relevant to domestic immigration law).

          – Kevin
          12 hours ago





          @JollyJoker: For historical reasons. The 1951 Convention was mostly intended to address people displaced by WW2 and its immediate aftermath (which I imagine is why the US didn't bother to sign it - they probably figured the war was an ocean away and not relevant to domestic immigration law).

          – Kevin
          12 hours ago




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          How does this answer the question? What are the consequences? Saudi Arabia isn't taking any refugees from middle east, and they don't give a shit. Are there any real consequences?

          – Davor
          11 hours ago





          How does this answer the question? What are the consequences? Saudi Arabia isn't taking any refugees from middle east, and they don't give a shit. Are there any real consequences?

          – Davor
          11 hours ago













          @Davor this is mostly an answer to the last part of the question. As for consequences, I don't think there are hard consequences laid out in the treaties. It's like a promise to a colleague. Sure, you can break them, but you will have to work with them the next day and possibly long after that too.

          – JJJ
          11 hours ago





          @Davor this is mostly an answer to the last part of the question. As for consequences, I don't think there are hard consequences laid out in the treaties. It's like a promise to a colleague. Sure, you can break them, but you will have to work with them the next day and possibly long after that too.

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          Really the compulsion is a moral and practical one, rather than something enforced by international law: refugees tend to arrive in large numbers, turning them away is both difficult and tends to get them killed. It may be difficult to deport people to a war zone, e.g. if there are no functioning airports.



          The shadow of the Holocaust hangs over 20th-century refugee policy. Before WW2, lots of Jewish refugees were turned away. It became clear afterwards that this was complicity with their mass murder.






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            "refugees tend to arrive in large numbers" - Note that not all people who arrive (whether in large numbers or as individuals) are genuine refugees. Some may be genuine; others may be lying, or exaggerating their claims. See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker . So each must be assessed on an individual basis on their own merits. Obviously there are historic examples whereby there were indeed masses of genuine refugees (Jewish people from Nazi Germany etc). However in modern times it's important not to blindly accept anyone who claims to be fleeing persecution, as genuine.

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            19 hours ago






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            @ChrisMelville not sure if the comparison with Jewish refugees is very apt, many weren't treated as genuine refugees. Consider the term 'internment of refugees as enemy aliens' in a review of Whitehall and the Jews, 1933-1948: British Immigration Policy, Jewish Refugees and the Holocaust.

            – JJJ
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          Really the compulsion is a moral and practical one, rather than something enforced by international law: refugees tend to arrive in large numbers, turning them away is both difficult and tends to get them killed. It may be difficult to deport people to a war zone, e.g. if there are no functioning airports.



          The shadow of the Holocaust hangs over 20th-century refugee policy. Before WW2, lots of Jewish refugees were turned away. It became clear afterwards that this was complicity with their mass murder.






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            "refugees tend to arrive in large numbers" - Note that not all people who arrive (whether in large numbers or as individuals) are genuine refugees. Some may be genuine; others may be lying, or exaggerating their claims. See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker . So each must be assessed on an individual basis on their own merits. Obviously there are historic examples whereby there were indeed masses of genuine refugees (Jewish people from Nazi Germany etc). However in modern times it's important not to blindly accept anyone who claims to be fleeing persecution, as genuine.

            – Chris Melville
            19 hours ago






          • 2





            @ChrisMelville not sure if the comparison with Jewish refugees is very apt, many weren't treated as genuine refugees. Consider the term 'internment of refugees as enemy aliens' in a review of Whitehall and the Jews, 1933-1948: British Immigration Policy, Jewish Refugees and the Holocaust.

            – JJJ
            14 hours ago














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          Really the compulsion is a moral and practical one, rather than something enforced by international law: refugees tend to arrive in large numbers, turning them away is both difficult and tends to get them killed. It may be difficult to deport people to a war zone, e.g. if there are no functioning airports.



          The shadow of the Holocaust hangs over 20th-century refugee policy. Before WW2, lots of Jewish refugees were turned away. It became clear afterwards that this was complicity with their mass murder.






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          Really the compulsion is a moral and practical one, rather than something enforced by international law: refugees tend to arrive in large numbers, turning them away is both difficult and tends to get them killed. It may be difficult to deport people to a war zone, e.g. if there are no functioning airports.



          The shadow of the Holocaust hangs over 20th-century refugee policy. Before WW2, lots of Jewish refugees were turned away. It became clear afterwards that this was complicity with their mass murder.







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            "refugees tend to arrive in large numbers" - Note that not all people who arrive (whether in large numbers or as individuals) are genuine refugees. Some may be genuine; others may be lying, or exaggerating their claims. See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker . So each must be assessed on an individual basis on their own merits. Obviously there are historic examples whereby there were indeed masses of genuine refugees (Jewish people from Nazi Germany etc). However in modern times it's important not to blindly accept anyone who claims to be fleeing persecution, as genuine.

            – Chris Melville
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            @ChrisMelville not sure if the comparison with Jewish refugees is very apt, many weren't treated as genuine refugees. Consider the term 'internment of refugees as enemy aliens' in a review of Whitehall and the Jews, 1933-1948: British Immigration Policy, Jewish Refugees and the Holocaust.

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            "refugees tend to arrive in large numbers" - Note that not all people who arrive (whether in large numbers or as individuals) are genuine refugees. Some may be genuine; others may be lying, or exaggerating their claims. See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker . So each must be assessed on an individual basis on their own merits. Obviously there are historic examples whereby there were indeed masses of genuine refugees (Jewish people from Nazi Germany etc). However in modern times it's important not to blindly accept anyone who claims to be fleeing persecution, as genuine.

            – Chris Melville
            19 hours ago






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            @ChrisMelville not sure if the comparison with Jewish refugees is very apt, many weren't treated as genuine refugees. Consider the term 'internment of refugees as enemy aliens' in a review of Whitehall and the Jews, 1933-1948: British Immigration Policy, Jewish Refugees and the Holocaust.

            – JJJ
            14 hours ago








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          "refugees tend to arrive in large numbers" - Note that not all people who arrive (whether in large numbers or as individuals) are genuine refugees. Some may be genuine; others may be lying, or exaggerating their claims. See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker . So each must be assessed on an individual basis on their own merits. Obviously there are historic examples whereby there were indeed masses of genuine refugees (Jewish people from Nazi Germany etc). However in modern times it's important not to blindly accept anyone who claims to be fleeing persecution, as genuine.

          – Chris Melville
          19 hours ago





          "refugees tend to arrive in large numbers" - Note that not all people who arrive (whether in large numbers or as individuals) are genuine refugees. Some may be genuine; others may be lying, or exaggerating their claims. See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker . So each must be assessed on an individual basis on their own merits. Obviously there are historic examples whereby there were indeed masses of genuine refugees (Jewish people from Nazi Germany etc). However in modern times it's important not to blindly accept anyone who claims to be fleeing persecution, as genuine.

          – Chris Melville
          19 hours ago




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          @ChrisMelville not sure if the comparison with Jewish refugees is very apt, many weren't treated as genuine refugees. Consider the term 'internment of refugees as enemy aliens' in a review of Whitehall and the Jews, 1933-1948: British Immigration Policy, Jewish Refugees and the Holocaust.

          – JJJ
          14 hours ago






          @ChrisMelville not sure if the comparison with Jewish refugees is very apt, many weren't treated as genuine refugees. Consider the term 'internment of refugees as enemy aliens' in a review of Whitehall and the Jews, 1933-1948: British Immigration Policy, Jewish Refugees and the Holocaust.

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          This can be complicated. Some countries recognize other countries as decent, safe nations. Some countries on this planet only border safe countries and may have established "safe third country" treaties with them where neither country will recognize refugee claims by anyone who travels through the other country and arrives at the border. (The idea being that they are already at a safe country and therefore can't seek asylum since they are already safe.) This is further complicated by other factors of course like countries that allows free travel among eachother.



          I bring this up because in the modern conversations around European and North American refugee claimants, some people and governments (cough Trump) have asserted they shouldn't accept refugees who have traveled through safe countries (cough Mexico) because the refugee was in a safe country before arriving.



          My own country, Canada, is in a particularly nasty situation where for the past number of years we've had people cross our southern border then claim refugee status. If we deny them refugee status, where do we deport them? The US won't be happy and we can't ship them to the country they are fleeing from. If we accept them, we're tarnishing our relationship by functionally calling the USA an unsafe country.






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          • What countries are they coming from? "Safe country" isn't all that meaningful to certain kinds of Asylum cases. Consider if Edward Snowden were at your door.

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          • There's no point worrying about "calling the USA an unsafe country"; they're running concentration camps.

            – dn3s
            10 hours ago











          • Canada has an agreement with the US, so people who fall under that agreement would indeed be sent back to the US to claim asylum there. But the agreement only covers people entering Canada at a pretty of entry. This is why people are trying to cross onto Canada irregularly from the US, because that allows them to have their asylum claim heard in Canada.

            – phoog
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          • @dn3s: People who know what that term actually means disagree

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          This can be complicated. Some countries recognize other countries as decent, safe nations. Some countries on this planet only border safe countries and may have established "safe third country" treaties with them where neither country will recognize refugee claims by anyone who travels through the other country and arrives at the border. (The idea being that they are already at a safe country and therefore can't seek asylum since they are already safe.) This is further complicated by other factors of course like countries that allows free travel among eachother.



          I bring this up because in the modern conversations around European and North American refugee claimants, some people and governments (cough Trump) have asserted they shouldn't accept refugees who have traveled through safe countries (cough Mexico) because the refugee was in a safe country before arriving.



          My own country, Canada, is in a particularly nasty situation where for the past number of years we've had people cross our southern border then claim refugee status. If we deny them refugee status, where do we deport them? The US won't be happy and we can't ship them to the country they are fleeing from. If we accept them, we're tarnishing our relationship by functionally calling the USA an unsafe country.






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          • What countries are they coming from? "Safe country" isn't all that meaningful to certain kinds of Asylum cases. Consider if Edward Snowden were at your door.

            – Joshua
            12 hours ago











          • There's no point worrying about "calling the USA an unsafe country"; they're running concentration camps.

            – dn3s
            10 hours ago











          • Canada has an agreement with the US, so people who fall under that agreement would indeed be sent back to the US to claim asylum there. But the agreement only covers people entering Canada at a pretty of entry. This is why people are trying to cross onto Canada irregularly from the US, because that allows them to have their asylum claim heard in Canada.

            – phoog
            5 hours ago











          • @dn3s: People who know what that term actually means disagree

            – Ben Voigt
            19 mins ago













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          This can be complicated. Some countries recognize other countries as decent, safe nations. Some countries on this planet only border safe countries and may have established "safe third country" treaties with them where neither country will recognize refugee claims by anyone who travels through the other country and arrives at the border. (The idea being that they are already at a safe country and therefore can't seek asylum since they are already safe.) This is further complicated by other factors of course like countries that allows free travel among eachother.



          I bring this up because in the modern conversations around European and North American refugee claimants, some people and governments (cough Trump) have asserted they shouldn't accept refugees who have traveled through safe countries (cough Mexico) because the refugee was in a safe country before arriving.



          My own country, Canada, is in a particularly nasty situation where for the past number of years we've had people cross our southern border then claim refugee status. If we deny them refugee status, where do we deport them? The US won't be happy and we can't ship them to the country they are fleeing from. If we accept them, we're tarnishing our relationship by functionally calling the USA an unsafe country.






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          This can be complicated. Some countries recognize other countries as decent, safe nations. Some countries on this planet only border safe countries and may have established "safe third country" treaties with them where neither country will recognize refugee claims by anyone who travels through the other country and arrives at the border. (The idea being that they are already at a safe country and therefore can't seek asylum since they are already safe.) This is further complicated by other factors of course like countries that allows free travel among eachother.



          I bring this up because in the modern conversations around European and North American refugee claimants, some people and governments (cough Trump) have asserted they shouldn't accept refugees who have traveled through safe countries (cough Mexico) because the refugee was in a safe country before arriving.



          My own country, Canada, is in a particularly nasty situation where for the past number of years we've had people cross our southern border then claim refugee status. If we deny them refugee status, where do we deport them? The US won't be happy and we can't ship them to the country they are fleeing from. If we accept them, we're tarnishing our relationship by functionally calling the USA an unsafe country.







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          • What countries are they coming from? "Safe country" isn't all that meaningful to certain kinds of Asylum cases. Consider if Edward Snowden were at your door.

            – Joshua
            12 hours ago











          • There's no point worrying about "calling the USA an unsafe country"; they're running concentration camps.

            – dn3s
            10 hours ago











          • Canada has an agreement with the US, so people who fall under that agreement would indeed be sent back to the US to claim asylum there. But the agreement only covers people entering Canada at a pretty of entry. This is why people are trying to cross onto Canada irregularly from the US, because that allows them to have their asylum claim heard in Canada.

            – phoog
            5 hours ago











          • @dn3s: People who know what that term actually means disagree

            – Ben Voigt
            19 mins ago

















          • What countries are they coming from? "Safe country" isn't all that meaningful to certain kinds of Asylum cases. Consider if Edward Snowden were at your door.

            – Joshua
            12 hours ago











          • There's no point worrying about "calling the USA an unsafe country"; they're running concentration camps.

            – dn3s
            10 hours ago











          • Canada has an agreement with the US, so people who fall under that agreement would indeed be sent back to the US to claim asylum there. But the agreement only covers people entering Canada at a pretty of entry. This is why people are trying to cross onto Canada irregularly from the US, because that allows them to have their asylum claim heard in Canada.

            – phoog
            5 hours ago











          • @dn3s: People who know what that term actually means disagree

            – Ben Voigt
            19 mins ago
















          What countries are they coming from? "Safe country" isn't all that meaningful to certain kinds of Asylum cases. Consider if Edward Snowden were at your door.

          – Joshua
          12 hours ago





          What countries are they coming from? "Safe country" isn't all that meaningful to certain kinds of Asylum cases. Consider if Edward Snowden were at your door.

          – Joshua
          12 hours ago













          There's no point worrying about "calling the USA an unsafe country"; they're running concentration camps.

          – dn3s
          10 hours ago





          There's no point worrying about "calling the USA an unsafe country"; they're running concentration camps.

          – dn3s
          10 hours ago













          Canada has an agreement with the US, so people who fall under that agreement would indeed be sent back to the US to claim asylum there. But the agreement only covers people entering Canada at a pretty of entry. This is why people are trying to cross onto Canada irregularly from the US, because that allows them to have their asylum claim heard in Canada.

          – phoog
          5 hours ago





          Canada has an agreement with the US, so people who fall under that agreement would indeed be sent back to the US to claim asylum there. But the agreement only covers people entering Canada at a pretty of entry. This is why people are trying to cross onto Canada irregularly from the US, because that allows them to have their asylum claim heard in Canada.

          – phoog
          5 hours ago













          @dn3s: People who know what that term actually means disagree

          – Ben Voigt
          19 mins ago





          @dn3s: People who know what that term actually means disagree

          – Ben Voigt
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