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I, a 20-year-old female, have come to admire the graduate teaching assistant for my summer course quite strongly. I'm extremely interested in what they have to say, I always pay attention, never use my phone and use eye contact to show interest (I do come 2-5 minutes late sometimes but that's because I commute and our town is very spacious). I do like them very much and I think about them with warmth often. I want to know about their work, I want to know what they are interested in. I would like to at least be their friend.



Despite my strong admiration I must emphasize that I have not and do not plan to cross professional boundaries until the end of the course.



I have spoken to them though it was only a short conversation about the work that was assigned to us the following weekend, however he did seem quite warm and open to conversation. Specifically he emphasizes in his syllabus to not hesitate to contact him with any questions we may have at all. I would like to be able to talk to them more without bothering them, and over stepping professional boundaries. I hopefully plan to ask them out once the course has ended, but I would still like to be able to have the chance to talk to them too as friends outside of course hours about the course material. Would this be ethical? Should I just back down? Specifically I wanted to thank him for giving me a very positive, in-depth feed back in the essay assignment that I had turned in that I got a perfect grade on.



I've been going through a really rough time in my personal life despite having flunked before I made a promise to myself to work harder and to never give up on my goals. Truly their receptiveness, warmth and passion has genuinely inspired me to keep going and to study harder. I would very much like to thank them for inspiring me and being a good teacher which has helped me understand the material.



  • Would it be ethical to express these sentiments of admiration and gratitude to them during their office hours?

  • Would it be possible to date them after the course has ended since they are essentially a normal graduate student instead of a true professor?









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    Your question switches between using "they" pronouns and "he" pronouns for your TA a couple of times, is that intentional? (Maybe you were specifically intending to not include their gender, but didn't notice every time you did so?)

    – Ben Millwood
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    An unintentional mistake. He’s a male assigned at birth. They just sounded more respectful to me I’m certain areas as I’m not fully acquainted with him yet.

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    Not intended as a criticism of the OP, but I can't help but think that "I always pay attention, never use my phone and... to show interest" should be the base minimum in a lecture.... ;-)

    – Flyto
    10 hours ago






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    @flyto most definitely. I only emphasized this because let’s be honest we all have broken concentration during long winded lectures quite a few times or at least once in our lives. But I’m older now and more mature and conscientious after my break.

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I, a 20-year-old female, have come to admire the graduate teaching assistant for my summer course quite strongly. I'm extremely interested in what they have to say, I always pay attention, never use my phone and use eye contact to show interest (I do come 2-5 minutes late sometimes but that's because I commute and our town is very spacious). I do like them very much and I think about them with warmth often. I want to know about their work, I want to know what they are interested in. I would like to at least be their friend.



Despite my strong admiration I must emphasize that I have not and do not plan to cross professional boundaries until the end of the course.



I have spoken to them though it was only a short conversation about the work that was assigned to us the following weekend, however he did seem quite warm and open to conversation. Specifically he emphasizes in his syllabus to not hesitate to contact him with any questions we may have at all. I would like to be able to talk to them more without bothering them, and over stepping professional boundaries. I hopefully plan to ask them out once the course has ended, but I would still like to be able to have the chance to talk to them too as friends outside of course hours about the course material. Would this be ethical? Should I just back down? Specifically I wanted to thank him for giving me a very positive, in-depth feed back in the essay assignment that I had turned in that I got a perfect grade on.



I've been going through a really rough time in my personal life despite having flunked before I made a promise to myself to work harder and to never give up on my goals. Truly their receptiveness, warmth and passion has genuinely inspired me to keep going and to study harder. I would very much like to thank them for inspiring me and being a good teacher which has helped me understand the material.



  • Would it be ethical to express these sentiments of admiration and gratitude to them during their office hours?

  • Would it be possible to date them after the course has ended since they are essentially a normal graduate student instead of a true professor?









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    Your question switches between using "they" pronouns and "he" pronouns for your TA a couple of times, is that intentional? (Maybe you were specifically intending to not include their gender, but didn't notice every time you did so?)

    – Ben Millwood
    15 hours ago






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    An unintentional mistake. He’s a male assigned at birth. They just sounded more respectful to me I’m certain areas as I’m not fully acquainted with him yet.

    – apollogie
    11 hours ago







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    Not intended as a criticism of the OP, but I can't help but think that "I always pay attention, never use my phone and... to show interest" should be the base minimum in a lecture.... ;-)

    – Flyto
    10 hours ago






  • 2





    @flyto most definitely. I only emphasized this because let’s be honest we all have broken concentration during long winded lectures quite a few times or at least once in our lives. But I’m older now and more mature and conscientious after my break.

    – apollogie
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I, a 20-year-old female, have come to admire the graduate teaching assistant for my summer course quite strongly. I'm extremely interested in what they have to say, I always pay attention, never use my phone and use eye contact to show interest (I do come 2-5 minutes late sometimes but that's because I commute and our town is very spacious). I do like them very much and I think about them with warmth often. I want to know about their work, I want to know what they are interested in. I would like to at least be their friend.



Despite my strong admiration I must emphasize that I have not and do not plan to cross professional boundaries until the end of the course.



I have spoken to them though it was only a short conversation about the work that was assigned to us the following weekend, however he did seem quite warm and open to conversation. Specifically he emphasizes in his syllabus to not hesitate to contact him with any questions we may have at all. I would like to be able to talk to them more without bothering them, and over stepping professional boundaries. I hopefully plan to ask them out once the course has ended, but I would still like to be able to have the chance to talk to them too as friends outside of course hours about the course material. Would this be ethical? Should I just back down? Specifically I wanted to thank him for giving me a very positive, in-depth feed back in the essay assignment that I had turned in that I got a perfect grade on.



I've been going through a really rough time in my personal life despite having flunked before I made a promise to myself to work harder and to never give up on my goals. Truly their receptiveness, warmth and passion has genuinely inspired me to keep going and to study harder. I would very much like to thank them for inspiring me and being a good teacher which has helped me understand the material.



  • Would it be ethical to express these sentiments of admiration and gratitude to them during their office hours?

  • Would it be possible to date them after the course has ended since they are essentially a normal graduate student instead of a true professor?









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I, a 20-year-old female, have come to admire the graduate teaching assistant for my summer course quite strongly. I'm extremely interested in what they have to say, I always pay attention, never use my phone and use eye contact to show interest (I do come 2-5 minutes late sometimes but that's because I commute and our town is very spacious). I do like them very much and I think about them with warmth often. I want to know about their work, I want to know what they are interested in. I would like to at least be their friend.



Despite my strong admiration I must emphasize that I have not and do not plan to cross professional boundaries until the end of the course.



I have spoken to them though it was only a short conversation about the work that was assigned to us the following weekend, however he did seem quite warm and open to conversation. Specifically he emphasizes in his syllabus to not hesitate to contact him with any questions we may have at all. I would like to be able to talk to them more without bothering them, and over stepping professional boundaries. I hopefully plan to ask them out once the course has ended, but I would still like to be able to have the chance to talk to them too as friends outside of course hours about the course material. Would this be ethical? Should I just back down? Specifically I wanted to thank him for giving me a very positive, in-depth feed back in the essay assignment that I had turned in that I got a perfect grade on.



I've been going through a really rough time in my personal life despite having flunked before I made a promise to myself to work harder and to never give up on my goals. Truly their receptiveness, warmth and passion has genuinely inspired me to keep going and to study harder. I would very much like to thank them for inspiring me and being a good teacher which has helped me understand the material.



  • Would it be ethical to express these sentiments of admiration and gratitude to them during their office hours?

  • Would it be possible to date them after the course has ended since they are essentially a normal graduate student instead of a true professor?






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    Your question switches between using "they" pronouns and "he" pronouns for your TA a couple of times, is that intentional? (Maybe you were specifically intending to not include their gender, but didn't notice every time you did so?)

    – Ben Millwood
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    An unintentional mistake. He’s a male assigned at birth. They just sounded more respectful to me I’m certain areas as I’m not fully acquainted with him yet.

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    Not intended as a criticism of the OP, but I can't help but think that "I always pay attention, never use my phone and... to show interest" should be the base minimum in a lecture.... ;-)

    – Flyto
    10 hours ago






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    @flyto most definitely. I only emphasized this because let’s be honest we all have broken concentration during long winded lectures quite a few times or at least once in our lives. But I’m older now and more mature and conscientious after my break.

    – apollogie
    10 hours ago







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    @apollogie grin

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    Your question switches between using "they" pronouns and "he" pronouns for your TA a couple of times, is that intentional? (Maybe you were specifically intending to not include their gender, but didn't notice every time you did so?)

    – Ben Millwood
    15 hours ago






  • 1





    An unintentional mistake. He’s a male assigned at birth. They just sounded more respectful to me I’m certain areas as I’m not fully acquainted with him yet.

    – apollogie
    11 hours ago







  • 11





    Not intended as a criticism of the OP, but I can't help but think that "I always pay attention, never use my phone and... to show interest" should be the base minimum in a lecture.... ;-)

    – Flyto
    10 hours ago






  • 2





    @flyto most definitely. I only emphasized this because let’s be honest we all have broken concentration during long winded lectures quite a few times or at least once in our lives. But I’m older now and more mature and conscientious after my break.

    – apollogie
    10 hours ago







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    @apollogie grin

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Your question switches between using "they" pronouns and "he" pronouns for your TA a couple of times, is that intentional? (Maybe you were specifically intending to not include their gender, but didn't notice every time you did so?)

– Ben Millwood
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Your question switches between using "they" pronouns and "he" pronouns for your TA a couple of times, is that intentional? (Maybe you were specifically intending to not include their gender, but didn't notice every time you did so?)

– Ben Millwood
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An unintentional mistake. He’s a male assigned at birth. They just sounded more respectful to me I’m certain areas as I’m not fully acquainted with him yet.

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An unintentional mistake. He’s a male assigned at birth. They just sounded more respectful to me I’m certain areas as I’m not fully acquainted with him yet.

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Not intended as a criticism of the OP, but I can't help but think that "I always pay attention, never use my phone and... to show interest" should be the base minimum in a lecture.... ;-)

– Flyto
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Not intended as a criticism of the OP, but I can't help but think that "I always pay attention, never use my phone and... to show interest" should be the base minimum in a lecture.... ;-)

– Flyto
10 hours ago




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@flyto most definitely. I only emphasized this because let’s be honest we all have broken concentration during long winded lectures quite a few times or at least once in our lives. But I’m older now and more mature and conscientious after my break.

– apollogie
10 hours ago






@flyto most definitely. I only emphasized this because let’s be honest we all have broken concentration during long winded lectures quite a few times or at least once in our lives. But I’m older now and more mature and conscientious after my break.

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Wait until after the course is over and grades are in: don't put your TA in a difficult situation.



After that, you are just two adult humans, assuming you won't have any other courses with this TA.






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    However, they will still be working and studying in the same department, so some care is needed. Be prepared to handle a "No interested" answer gracefully.

    – Patricia Shanahan
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    We actually are majoring in different things. I’m getting a bachelors with a plan to get a masters in clinical psych and he is a history PhD candidate. He’s teaching one of the core classes I missed taking when I dropped out for my health.

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    @apollogie That makes it less likely you'll interact again professionally so that makes it easier, but Patricia's suggestion to be prepared to handle a "not interested" answer is still very important: you need to be prepared that he may not be interested. That can be difficult when you feel like you know someone well but don't actually have a personal relationship with yet, so just be aware of that and ready, and keep your hopes measured.

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    That's down to you, but if you see being told 'I'm not interested' as something which is going to hurt you, I would perhaps move on as that is understandably going to be a common response in academia. You could perhaps take up some activity outside of academia and see if you meet someone that you get on with there?

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    @Tom Restricting one's dating pool to non-academics is no protection against rejection.

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Would it be ethical to express these sentiments of admiration and gratitude to them during their office hours?




Of course. I would wait until the course, and the grades, are finalized, though. Consider sending a note or expressing your sentiments during TA evaluations (if such a thing exists where you are); doing it in office hours might be uncomfortable.




Would it be possible to date them after the course has ended since they are essentially a normal graduate student instead of a true professor ?




You would have to check your university's rules. In general, there are no policies prohibiting this sort of relationship, if you will have no future courses together. The TA in question might be concerned about the appearance of impropriety, however.




As an artist, would it be strange to ask them if i could give them a drawing?




Of course you should not give them anything until the course, and the grades, are finalized. As to strangeness, that's maybe an interpersonal issue -- for me, yes, I would certainly find it strange, but that's not to say I wouldn't think it was awesome, especially if I liked the student.



It gets more complicated since you plan to ask him out though -- if you give it, then ask him out, that's a bit uncomfortable; if you ask him out and are turned down, it's a bit awkward to give him the artwork anyway.






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    Most universities in the US would have a policy against TA's dating students enrolled in a course for which the TA has responsibility for grading. It's a situation where there is an asymmetric power relationship. I suspect many institutions would also have policies against tutors paid by the school dating persons to whom they have tutorial duties.

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    Yes of course -- hence my qualifier "if you will have no future courses together."

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    As an instructor, I've gotten a few drawings and paintings from students. Nothing strange about it. Typically, this happens after the course ends.

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I'd like to add that there is another reason for waiting until the class have been over for a while. There's a phenomenon of "love for authority." It happens a lot in academia, where the instructor would otherwise not be that interesting, but because of the moderate position of power (and the things that go with it, like being the perceived leader, self-confidence, etc) he is much more attractive. It could be that a month after the course is over, your TA will fade back into his proper level.



Love relationships based on an unequal balance of power are usually unhealthy. You probably want to make sure that you're really attracted to him and not just his position.






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    And too often, the instructor, IRL, turns out to be incredibly boring. I know I am.

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    @Buffy Right. In real life I'm a complete introvert. My classroom personality, where I'm witty, outgoing, and in charge is a complete fabrication. My idea of an evening of fun is a cigar and a beer on the deck with no one bothering me.

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    @B.Goddard I think the healthiness of unequal power in a relationship depends on what you mean by "unequal balance of power". There's a difference between a teacher and their student starting a relationship and a consentual BDSM relationship with a negotiated power exchange.

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    Be careful! I can tell you as a teacher I stay away from this issue for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the individual. This might put the TA in a tough spot no matter how they feel about you.

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    Thanks for the advice, I’ll just wait until the end and accept whatever happens. I should be focusing on my study’s anyway right now

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Telling someone you are grateful for their help with your work is usually a good and kind thing to do.



In this case, however, you are not just grateful for their professional contributions, but interested in them as a person, potentially romantically. If your TA was aware of this it would make their job harder:



  • they may worry that you are trying to bias them in your favour,

  • they may worry that other people will think you are trying to bias them, so they have to try extra hard to demonstrate that they are not,

  • they may worry that they are actually being subconsciously biased, and try to compensate for it, and then worry if they're overcompensating and being unfair,

  • they may worry that you will be especially sensitive to receiving criticism from them, or you may interpret praise differently,

  • if they find the attention uncomfortable, they can't just avoid social contact with you, because it's a necessary part of their job.

Until the course is over you are doing them a favour by keeping the personal aspect to yourself.



With that in mind, even expressing just professional gratitude carries some risk that you'll unintentionally – through your manner, nervousness, choice of words, whatever – signal the personal feelings you have.



The safe thing to do is to avoid standing out in the eyes of your TA until the course is over. That said, the unsafe thing does have potential upsides and I don't want to tell you that no-one should ever say something kind to someone else for fear of unwanted implications. But make sure when you're thinking about what you want to do that you're including the potential ways it can go badly for them, as well as for you.






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    Wait until after the course is over and grades are in: don't put your TA in a difficult situation.



    After that, you are just two adult humans, assuming you won't have any other courses with this TA.






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      However, they will still be working and studying in the same department, so some care is needed. Be prepared to handle a "No interested" answer gracefully.

      – Patricia Shanahan
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      We actually are majoring in different things. I’m getting a bachelors with a plan to get a masters in clinical psych and he is a history PhD candidate. He’s teaching one of the core classes I missed taking when I dropped out for my health.

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      @apollogie That makes it less likely you'll interact again professionally so that makes it easier, but Patricia's suggestion to be prepared to handle a "not interested" answer is still very important: you need to be prepared that he may not be interested. That can be difficult when you feel like you know someone well but don't actually have a personal relationship with yet, so just be aware of that and ready, and keep your hopes measured.

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      That's down to you, but if you see being told 'I'm not interested' as something which is going to hurt you, I would perhaps move on as that is understandably going to be a common response in academia. You could perhaps take up some activity outside of academia and see if you meet someone that you get on with there?

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      @Tom Restricting one's dating pool to non-academics is no protection against rejection.

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    Wait until after the course is over and grades are in: don't put your TA in a difficult situation.



    After that, you are just two adult humans, assuming you won't have any other courses with this TA.






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      However, they will still be working and studying in the same department, so some care is needed. Be prepared to handle a "No interested" answer gracefully.

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      14 hours ago






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      We actually are majoring in different things. I’m getting a bachelors with a plan to get a masters in clinical psych and he is a history PhD candidate. He’s teaching one of the core classes I missed taking when I dropped out for my health.

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      @apollogie That makes it less likely you'll interact again professionally so that makes it easier, but Patricia's suggestion to be prepared to handle a "not interested" answer is still very important: you need to be prepared that he may not be interested. That can be difficult when you feel like you know someone well but don't actually have a personal relationship with yet, so just be aware of that and ready, and keep your hopes measured.

      – Bryan Krause
      11 hours ago






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      That's down to you, but if you see being told 'I'm not interested' as something which is going to hurt you, I would perhaps move on as that is understandably going to be a common response in academia. You could perhaps take up some activity outside of academia and see if you meet someone that you get on with there?

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      @Tom Restricting one's dating pool to non-academics is no protection against rejection.

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    Wait until after the course is over and grades are in: don't put your TA in a difficult situation.



    After that, you are just two adult humans, assuming you won't have any other courses with this TA.






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    Wait until after the course is over and grades are in: don't put your TA in a difficult situation.



    After that, you are just two adult humans, assuming you won't have any other courses with this TA.







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      However, they will still be working and studying in the same department, so some care is needed. Be prepared to handle a "No interested" answer gracefully.

      – Patricia Shanahan
      14 hours ago






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      We actually are majoring in different things. I’m getting a bachelors with a plan to get a masters in clinical psych and he is a history PhD candidate. He’s teaching one of the core classes I missed taking when I dropped out for my health.

      – apollogie
      11 hours ago







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      @apollogie That makes it less likely you'll interact again professionally so that makes it easier, but Patricia's suggestion to be prepared to handle a "not interested" answer is still very important: you need to be prepared that he may not be interested. That can be difficult when you feel like you know someone well but don't actually have a personal relationship with yet, so just be aware of that and ready, and keep your hopes measured.

      – Bryan Krause
      11 hours ago






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      That's down to you, but if you see being told 'I'm not interested' as something which is going to hurt you, I would perhaps move on as that is understandably going to be a common response in academia. You could perhaps take up some activity outside of academia and see if you meet someone that you get on with there?

      – Tom
      10 hours ago






    • 1





      @Tom Restricting one's dating pool to non-academics is no protection against rejection.

      – JeffE
      3 hours ago












    • 17





      However, they will still be working and studying in the same department, so some care is needed. Be prepared to handle a "No interested" answer gracefully.

      – Patricia Shanahan
      14 hours ago






    • 4





      We actually are majoring in different things. I’m getting a bachelors with a plan to get a masters in clinical psych and he is a history PhD candidate. He’s teaching one of the core classes I missed taking when I dropped out for my health.

      – apollogie
      11 hours ago







    • 7





      @apollogie That makes it less likely you'll interact again professionally so that makes it easier, but Patricia's suggestion to be prepared to handle a "not interested" answer is still very important: you need to be prepared that he may not be interested. That can be difficult when you feel like you know someone well but don't actually have a personal relationship with yet, so just be aware of that and ready, and keep your hopes measured.

      – Bryan Krause
      11 hours ago






    • 2





      That's down to you, but if you see being told 'I'm not interested' as something which is going to hurt you, I would perhaps move on as that is understandably going to be a common response in academia. You could perhaps take up some activity outside of academia and see if you meet someone that you get on with there?

      – Tom
      10 hours ago






    • 1





      @Tom Restricting one's dating pool to non-academics is no protection against rejection.

      – JeffE
      3 hours ago







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    However, they will still be working and studying in the same department, so some care is needed. Be prepared to handle a "No interested" answer gracefully.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    14 hours ago





    However, they will still be working and studying in the same department, so some care is needed. Be prepared to handle a "No interested" answer gracefully.

    – Patricia Shanahan
    14 hours ago




    4




    4





    We actually are majoring in different things. I’m getting a bachelors with a plan to get a masters in clinical psych and he is a history PhD candidate. He’s teaching one of the core classes I missed taking when I dropped out for my health.

    – apollogie
    11 hours ago






    We actually are majoring in different things. I’m getting a bachelors with a plan to get a masters in clinical psych and he is a history PhD candidate. He’s teaching one of the core classes I missed taking when I dropped out for my health.

    – apollogie
    11 hours ago





    7




    7





    @apollogie That makes it less likely you'll interact again professionally so that makes it easier, but Patricia's suggestion to be prepared to handle a "not interested" answer is still very important: you need to be prepared that he may not be interested. That can be difficult when you feel like you know someone well but don't actually have a personal relationship with yet, so just be aware of that and ready, and keep your hopes measured.

    – Bryan Krause
    11 hours ago





    @apollogie That makes it less likely you'll interact again professionally so that makes it easier, but Patricia's suggestion to be prepared to handle a "not interested" answer is still very important: you need to be prepared that he may not be interested. That can be difficult when you feel like you know someone well but don't actually have a personal relationship with yet, so just be aware of that and ready, and keep your hopes measured.

    – Bryan Krause
    11 hours ago




    2




    2





    That's down to you, but if you see being told 'I'm not interested' as something which is going to hurt you, I would perhaps move on as that is understandably going to be a common response in academia. You could perhaps take up some activity outside of academia and see if you meet someone that you get on with there?

    – Tom
    10 hours ago





    That's down to you, but if you see being told 'I'm not interested' as something which is going to hurt you, I would perhaps move on as that is understandably going to be a common response in academia. You could perhaps take up some activity outside of academia and see if you meet someone that you get on with there?

    – Tom
    10 hours ago




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    @Tom Restricting one's dating pool to non-academics is no protection against rejection.

    – JeffE
    3 hours ago





    @Tom Restricting one's dating pool to non-academics is no protection against rejection.

    – JeffE
    3 hours ago













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    Would it be ethical to express these sentiments of admiration and gratitude to them during their office hours?




    Of course. I would wait until the course, and the grades, are finalized, though. Consider sending a note or expressing your sentiments during TA evaluations (if such a thing exists where you are); doing it in office hours might be uncomfortable.




    Would it be possible to date them after the course has ended since they are essentially a normal graduate student instead of a true professor ?




    You would have to check your university's rules. In general, there are no policies prohibiting this sort of relationship, if you will have no future courses together. The TA in question might be concerned about the appearance of impropriety, however.




    As an artist, would it be strange to ask them if i could give them a drawing?




    Of course you should not give them anything until the course, and the grades, are finalized. As to strangeness, that's maybe an interpersonal issue -- for me, yes, I would certainly find it strange, but that's not to say I wouldn't think it was awesome, especially if I liked the student.



    It gets more complicated since you plan to ask him out though -- if you give it, then ask him out, that's a bit uncomfortable; if you ask him out and are turned down, it's a bit awkward to give him the artwork anyway.






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      Most universities in the US would have a policy against TA's dating students enrolled in a course for which the TA has responsibility for grading. It's a situation where there is an asymmetric power relationship. I suspect many institutions would also have policies against tutors paid by the school dating persons to whom they have tutorial duties.

      – 42-
      8 hours ago







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      Yes of course -- hence my qualifier "if you will have no future courses together."

      – cag51
      6 hours ago






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      As an instructor, I've gotten a few drawings and paintings from students. Nothing strange about it. Typically, this happens after the course ends.

      – jaia
      4 hours ago















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    Would it be ethical to express these sentiments of admiration and gratitude to them during their office hours?




    Of course. I would wait until the course, and the grades, are finalized, though. Consider sending a note or expressing your sentiments during TA evaluations (if such a thing exists where you are); doing it in office hours might be uncomfortable.




    Would it be possible to date them after the course has ended since they are essentially a normal graduate student instead of a true professor ?




    You would have to check your university's rules. In general, there are no policies prohibiting this sort of relationship, if you will have no future courses together. The TA in question might be concerned about the appearance of impropriety, however.




    As an artist, would it be strange to ask them if i could give them a drawing?




    Of course you should not give them anything until the course, and the grades, are finalized. As to strangeness, that's maybe an interpersonal issue -- for me, yes, I would certainly find it strange, but that's not to say I wouldn't think it was awesome, especially if I liked the student.



    It gets more complicated since you plan to ask him out though -- if you give it, then ask him out, that's a bit uncomfortable; if you ask him out and are turned down, it's a bit awkward to give him the artwork anyway.






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    • 1





      Most universities in the US would have a policy against TA's dating students enrolled in a course for which the TA has responsibility for grading. It's a situation where there is an asymmetric power relationship. I suspect many institutions would also have policies against tutors paid by the school dating persons to whom they have tutorial duties.

      – 42-
      8 hours ago







    • 1





      Yes of course -- hence my qualifier "if you will have no future courses together."

      – cag51
      6 hours ago






    • 2





      As an instructor, I've gotten a few drawings and paintings from students. Nothing strange about it. Typically, this happens after the course ends.

      – jaia
      4 hours ago













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    22








    Would it be ethical to express these sentiments of admiration and gratitude to them during their office hours?




    Of course. I would wait until the course, and the grades, are finalized, though. Consider sending a note or expressing your sentiments during TA evaluations (if such a thing exists where you are); doing it in office hours might be uncomfortable.




    Would it be possible to date them after the course has ended since they are essentially a normal graduate student instead of a true professor ?




    You would have to check your university's rules. In general, there are no policies prohibiting this sort of relationship, if you will have no future courses together. The TA in question might be concerned about the appearance of impropriety, however.




    As an artist, would it be strange to ask them if i could give them a drawing?




    Of course you should not give them anything until the course, and the grades, are finalized. As to strangeness, that's maybe an interpersonal issue -- for me, yes, I would certainly find it strange, but that's not to say I wouldn't think it was awesome, especially if I liked the student.



    It gets more complicated since you plan to ask him out though -- if you give it, then ask him out, that's a bit uncomfortable; if you ask him out and are turned down, it's a bit awkward to give him the artwork anyway.






    share|improve this answer














    Would it be ethical to express these sentiments of admiration and gratitude to them during their office hours?




    Of course. I would wait until the course, and the grades, are finalized, though. Consider sending a note or expressing your sentiments during TA evaluations (if such a thing exists where you are); doing it in office hours might be uncomfortable.




    Would it be possible to date them after the course has ended since they are essentially a normal graduate student instead of a true professor ?




    You would have to check your university's rules. In general, there are no policies prohibiting this sort of relationship, if you will have no future courses together. The TA in question might be concerned about the appearance of impropriety, however.




    As an artist, would it be strange to ask them if i could give them a drawing?




    Of course you should not give them anything until the course, and the grades, are finalized. As to strangeness, that's maybe an interpersonal issue -- for me, yes, I would certainly find it strange, but that's not to say I wouldn't think it was awesome, especially if I liked the student.



    It gets more complicated since you plan to ask him out though -- if you give it, then ask him out, that's a bit uncomfortable; if you ask him out and are turned down, it's a bit awkward to give him the artwork anyway.







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    • 1





      Most universities in the US would have a policy against TA's dating students enrolled in a course for which the TA has responsibility for grading. It's a situation where there is an asymmetric power relationship. I suspect many institutions would also have policies against tutors paid by the school dating persons to whom they have tutorial duties.

      – 42-
      8 hours ago







    • 1





      Yes of course -- hence my qualifier "if you will have no future courses together."

      – cag51
      6 hours ago






    • 2





      As an instructor, I've gotten a few drawings and paintings from students. Nothing strange about it. Typically, this happens after the course ends.

      – jaia
      4 hours ago












    • 1





      Most universities in the US would have a policy against TA's dating students enrolled in a course for which the TA has responsibility for grading. It's a situation where there is an asymmetric power relationship. I suspect many institutions would also have policies against tutors paid by the school dating persons to whom they have tutorial duties.

      – 42-
      8 hours ago







    • 1





      Yes of course -- hence my qualifier "if you will have no future courses together."

      – cag51
      6 hours ago






    • 2





      As an instructor, I've gotten a few drawings and paintings from students. Nothing strange about it. Typically, this happens after the course ends.

      – jaia
      4 hours ago







    1




    1





    Most universities in the US would have a policy against TA's dating students enrolled in a course for which the TA has responsibility for grading. It's a situation where there is an asymmetric power relationship. I suspect many institutions would also have policies against tutors paid by the school dating persons to whom they have tutorial duties.

    – 42-
    8 hours ago






    Most universities in the US would have a policy against TA's dating students enrolled in a course for which the TA has responsibility for grading. It's a situation where there is an asymmetric power relationship. I suspect many institutions would also have policies against tutors paid by the school dating persons to whom they have tutorial duties.

    – 42-
    8 hours ago





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    Yes of course -- hence my qualifier "if you will have no future courses together."

    – cag51
    6 hours ago





    Yes of course -- hence my qualifier "if you will have no future courses together."

    – cag51
    6 hours ago




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    2





    As an instructor, I've gotten a few drawings and paintings from students. Nothing strange about it. Typically, this happens after the course ends.

    – jaia
    4 hours ago





    As an instructor, I've gotten a few drawings and paintings from students. Nothing strange about it. Typically, this happens after the course ends.

    – jaia
    4 hours ago











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    I'd like to add that there is another reason for waiting until the class have been over for a while. There's a phenomenon of "love for authority." It happens a lot in academia, where the instructor would otherwise not be that interesting, but because of the moderate position of power (and the things that go with it, like being the perceived leader, self-confidence, etc) he is much more attractive. It could be that a month after the course is over, your TA will fade back into his proper level.



    Love relationships based on an unequal balance of power are usually unhealthy. You probably want to make sure that you're really attracted to him and not just his position.






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      And too often, the instructor, IRL, turns out to be incredibly boring. I know I am.

      – Buffy
      13 hours ago







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      @Buffy Right. In real life I'm a complete introvert. My classroom personality, where I'm witty, outgoing, and in charge is a complete fabrication. My idea of an evening of fun is a cigar and a beer on the deck with no one bothering me.

      – B. Goddard
      13 hours ago






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      @B.Goddard I think the healthiness of unequal power in a relationship depends on what you mean by "unequal balance of power". There's a difference between a teacher and their student starting a relationship and a consentual BDSM relationship with a negotiated power exchange.

      – nick012000
      11 hours ago






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      Be careful! I can tell you as a teacher I stay away from this issue for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the individual. This might put the TA in a tough spot no matter how they feel about you.

      – Dave Kanter
      8 hours ago






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      Thanks for the advice, I’ll just wait until the end and accept whatever happens. I should be focusing on my study’s anyway right now

      – apollogie
      6 hours ago
















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    I'd like to add that there is another reason for waiting until the class have been over for a while. There's a phenomenon of "love for authority." It happens a lot in academia, where the instructor would otherwise not be that interesting, but because of the moderate position of power (and the things that go with it, like being the perceived leader, self-confidence, etc) he is much more attractive. It could be that a month after the course is over, your TA will fade back into his proper level.



    Love relationships based on an unequal balance of power are usually unhealthy. You probably want to make sure that you're really attracted to him and not just his position.






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    • 2





      And too often, the instructor, IRL, turns out to be incredibly boring. I know I am.

      – Buffy
      13 hours ago







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      @Buffy Right. In real life I'm a complete introvert. My classroom personality, where I'm witty, outgoing, and in charge is a complete fabrication. My idea of an evening of fun is a cigar and a beer on the deck with no one bothering me.

      – B. Goddard
      13 hours ago






    • 1





      @B.Goddard I think the healthiness of unequal power in a relationship depends on what you mean by "unequal balance of power". There's a difference between a teacher and their student starting a relationship and a consentual BDSM relationship with a negotiated power exchange.

      – nick012000
      11 hours ago






    • 1





      Be careful! I can tell you as a teacher I stay away from this issue for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the individual. This might put the TA in a tough spot no matter how they feel about you.

      – Dave Kanter
      8 hours ago






    • 1





      Thanks for the advice, I’ll just wait until the end and accept whatever happens. I should be focusing on my study’s anyway right now

      – apollogie
      6 hours ago














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    16








    16







    I'd like to add that there is another reason for waiting until the class have been over for a while. There's a phenomenon of "love for authority." It happens a lot in academia, where the instructor would otherwise not be that interesting, but because of the moderate position of power (and the things that go with it, like being the perceived leader, self-confidence, etc) he is much more attractive. It could be that a month after the course is over, your TA will fade back into his proper level.



    Love relationships based on an unequal balance of power are usually unhealthy. You probably want to make sure that you're really attracted to him and not just his position.






    share|improve this answer













    I'd like to add that there is another reason for waiting until the class have been over for a while. There's a phenomenon of "love for authority." It happens a lot in academia, where the instructor would otherwise not be that interesting, but because of the moderate position of power (and the things that go with it, like being the perceived leader, self-confidence, etc) he is much more attractive. It could be that a month after the course is over, your TA will fade back into his proper level.



    Love relationships based on an unequal balance of power are usually unhealthy. You probably want to make sure that you're really attracted to him and not just his position.







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    answered 13 hours ago









    B. GoddardB. Goddard

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    • 2





      And too often, the instructor, IRL, turns out to be incredibly boring. I know I am.

      – Buffy
      13 hours ago







    • 8





      @Buffy Right. In real life I'm a complete introvert. My classroom personality, where I'm witty, outgoing, and in charge is a complete fabrication. My idea of an evening of fun is a cigar and a beer on the deck with no one bothering me.

      – B. Goddard
      13 hours ago






    • 1





      @B.Goddard I think the healthiness of unequal power in a relationship depends on what you mean by "unequal balance of power". There's a difference between a teacher and their student starting a relationship and a consentual BDSM relationship with a negotiated power exchange.

      – nick012000
      11 hours ago






    • 1





      Be careful! I can tell you as a teacher I stay away from this issue for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the individual. This might put the TA in a tough spot no matter how they feel about you.

      – Dave Kanter
      8 hours ago






    • 1





      Thanks for the advice, I’ll just wait until the end and accept whatever happens. I should be focusing on my study’s anyway right now

      – apollogie
      6 hours ago













    • 2





      And too often, the instructor, IRL, turns out to be incredibly boring. I know I am.

      – Buffy
      13 hours ago







    • 8





      @Buffy Right. In real life I'm a complete introvert. My classroom personality, where I'm witty, outgoing, and in charge is a complete fabrication. My idea of an evening of fun is a cigar and a beer on the deck with no one bothering me.

      – B. Goddard
      13 hours ago






    • 1





      @B.Goddard I think the healthiness of unequal power in a relationship depends on what you mean by "unequal balance of power". There's a difference between a teacher and their student starting a relationship and a consentual BDSM relationship with a negotiated power exchange.

      – nick012000
      11 hours ago






    • 1





      Be careful! I can tell you as a teacher I stay away from this issue for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the individual. This might put the TA in a tough spot no matter how they feel about you.

      – Dave Kanter
      8 hours ago






    • 1





      Thanks for the advice, I’ll just wait until the end and accept whatever happens. I should be focusing on my study’s anyway right now

      – apollogie
      6 hours ago








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    2





    And too often, the instructor, IRL, turns out to be incredibly boring. I know I am.

    – Buffy
    13 hours ago






    And too often, the instructor, IRL, turns out to be incredibly boring. I know I am.

    – Buffy
    13 hours ago





    8




    8





    @Buffy Right. In real life I'm a complete introvert. My classroom personality, where I'm witty, outgoing, and in charge is a complete fabrication. My idea of an evening of fun is a cigar and a beer on the deck with no one bothering me.

    – B. Goddard
    13 hours ago





    @Buffy Right. In real life I'm a complete introvert. My classroom personality, where I'm witty, outgoing, and in charge is a complete fabrication. My idea of an evening of fun is a cigar and a beer on the deck with no one bothering me.

    – B. Goddard
    13 hours ago




    1




    1





    @B.Goddard I think the healthiness of unequal power in a relationship depends on what you mean by "unequal balance of power". There's a difference between a teacher and their student starting a relationship and a consentual BDSM relationship with a negotiated power exchange.

    – nick012000
    11 hours ago





    @B.Goddard I think the healthiness of unequal power in a relationship depends on what you mean by "unequal balance of power". There's a difference between a teacher and their student starting a relationship and a consentual BDSM relationship with a negotiated power exchange.

    – nick012000
    11 hours ago




    1




    1





    Be careful! I can tell you as a teacher I stay away from this issue for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the individual. This might put the TA in a tough spot no matter how they feel about you.

    – Dave Kanter
    8 hours ago





    Be careful! I can tell you as a teacher I stay away from this issue for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the individual. This might put the TA in a tough spot no matter how they feel about you.

    – Dave Kanter
    8 hours ago




    1




    1





    Thanks for the advice, I’ll just wait until the end and accept whatever happens. I should be focusing on my study’s anyway right now

    – apollogie
    6 hours ago






    Thanks for the advice, I’ll just wait until the end and accept whatever happens. I should be focusing on my study’s anyway right now

    – apollogie
    6 hours ago












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    Telling someone you are grateful for their help with your work is usually a good and kind thing to do.



    In this case, however, you are not just grateful for their professional contributions, but interested in them as a person, potentially romantically. If your TA was aware of this it would make their job harder:



    • they may worry that you are trying to bias them in your favour,

    • they may worry that other people will think you are trying to bias them, so they have to try extra hard to demonstrate that they are not,

    • they may worry that they are actually being subconsciously biased, and try to compensate for it, and then worry if they're overcompensating and being unfair,

    • they may worry that you will be especially sensitive to receiving criticism from them, or you may interpret praise differently,

    • if they find the attention uncomfortable, they can't just avoid social contact with you, because it's a necessary part of their job.

    Until the course is over you are doing them a favour by keeping the personal aspect to yourself.



    With that in mind, even expressing just professional gratitude carries some risk that you'll unintentionally – through your manner, nervousness, choice of words, whatever – signal the personal feelings you have.



    The safe thing to do is to avoid standing out in the eyes of your TA until the course is over. That said, the unsafe thing does have potential upsides and I don't want to tell you that no-one should ever say something kind to someone else for fear of unwanted implications. But make sure when you're thinking about what you want to do that you're including the potential ways it can go badly for them, as well as for you.






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      Telling someone you are grateful for their help with your work is usually a good and kind thing to do.



      In this case, however, you are not just grateful for their professional contributions, but interested in them as a person, potentially romantically. If your TA was aware of this it would make their job harder:



      • they may worry that you are trying to bias them in your favour,

      • they may worry that other people will think you are trying to bias them, so they have to try extra hard to demonstrate that they are not,

      • they may worry that they are actually being subconsciously biased, and try to compensate for it, and then worry if they're overcompensating and being unfair,

      • they may worry that you will be especially sensitive to receiving criticism from them, or you may interpret praise differently,

      • if they find the attention uncomfortable, they can't just avoid social contact with you, because it's a necessary part of their job.

      Until the course is over you are doing them a favour by keeping the personal aspect to yourself.



      With that in mind, even expressing just professional gratitude carries some risk that you'll unintentionally – through your manner, nervousness, choice of words, whatever – signal the personal feelings you have.



      The safe thing to do is to avoid standing out in the eyes of your TA until the course is over. That said, the unsafe thing does have potential upsides and I don't want to tell you that no-one should ever say something kind to someone else for fear of unwanted implications. But make sure when you're thinking about what you want to do that you're including the potential ways it can go badly for them, as well as for you.






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        Telling someone you are grateful for their help with your work is usually a good and kind thing to do.



        In this case, however, you are not just grateful for their professional contributions, but interested in them as a person, potentially romantically. If your TA was aware of this it would make their job harder:



        • they may worry that you are trying to bias them in your favour,

        • they may worry that other people will think you are trying to bias them, so they have to try extra hard to demonstrate that they are not,

        • they may worry that they are actually being subconsciously biased, and try to compensate for it, and then worry if they're overcompensating and being unfair,

        • they may worry that you will be especially sensitive to receiving criticism from them, or you may interpret praise differently,

        • if they find the attention uncomfortable, they can't just avoid social contact with you, because it's a necessary part of their job.

        Until the course is over you are doing them a favour by keeping the personal aspect to yourself.



        With that in mind, even expressing just professional gratitude carries some risk that you'll unintentionally – through your manner, nervousness, choice of words, whatever – signal the personal feelings you have.



        The safe thing to do is to avoid standing out in the eyes of your TA until the course is over. That said, the unsafe thing does have potential upsides and I don't want to tell you that no-one should ever say something kind to someone else for fear of unwanted implications. But make sure when you're thinking about what you want to do that you're including the potential ways it can go badly for them, as well as for you.






        share|improve this answer













        Telling someone you are grateful for their help with your work is usually a good and kind thing to do.



        In this case, however, you are not just grateful for their professional contributions, but interested in them as a person, potentially romantically. If your TA was aware of this it would make their job harder:



        • they may worry that you are trying to bias them in your favour,

        • they may worry that other people will think you are trying to bias them, so they have to try extra hard to demonstrate that they are not,

        • they may worry that they are actually being subconsciously biased, and try to compensate for it, and then worry if they're overcompensating and being unfair,

        • they may worry that you will be especially sensitive to receiving criticism from them, or you may interpret praise differently,

        • if they find the attention uncomfortable, they can't just avoid social contact with you, because it's a necessary part of their job.

        Until the course is over you are doing them a favour by keeping the personal aspect to yourself.



        With that in mind, even expressing just professional gratitude carries some risk that you'll unintentionally – through your manner, nervousness, choice of words, whatever – signal the personal feelings you have.



        The safe thing to do is to avoid standing out in the eyes of your TA until the course is over. That said, the unsafe thing does have potential upsides and I don't want to tell you that no-one should ever say something kind to someone else for fear of unwanted implications. But make sure when you're thinking about what you want to do that you're including the potential ways it can go badly for them, as well as for you.







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