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Solve Riddle With Algebra
Can someone please explain the catch behind this question?How do I solve two equations in two unknowns?Generalization of a certain riddle and ultrafilters (?)Determining how many sibling a person hasCounting Siblings Word Problem: Linear Algebra SystemsWhich of these two methods provides the correct answer for this probability riddle?Riddle to solve. Grouping of integers.Translate riddle to math“A Queer Coincidence,” riddle from Dudeney's bookCounting siblings problem
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There is a riddle and I believe it can be solved by algebra - please assist
A boy has as many sisters as brothers, but each sister has only half as many sisters as brothers. How many brothers and sisters are there in the family
Here is algebra, but I am stuck
$b=brother$
$s=sister$
$t=total$
boy has as many brothers as sisters
$b + b + s = t$
each sister has only half as many sisters as brothers
$s + s + b = t$
$s + frac1b + b = t$
Hence
$b + b + s = s + frac1b + b$
$2b + s = s + frac3b2$
$2b = frac3b2$
$4b = 3b$
Please assist.
algebra-precalculus puzzle word-problem
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There is a riddle and I believe it can be solved by algebra - please assist
A boy has as many sisters as brothers, but each sister has only half as many sisters as brothers. How many brothers and sisters are there in the family
Here is algebra, but I am stuck
$b=brother$
$s=sister$
$t=total$
boy has as many brothers as sisters
$b + b + s = t$
each sister has only half as many sisters as brothers
$s + s + b = t$
$s + frac1b + b = t$
Hence
$b + b + s = s + frac1b + b$
$2b + s = s + frac3b2$
$2b = frac3b2$
$4b = 3b$
Please assist.
algebra-precalculus puzzle word-problem
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Better to choose variables for the number of boys and girls. Remember that a boy has one fewer brother than a girl has.
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– lulu
8 hours ago
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A boy (who is one of the brothers) has as many brothers as sisters. So we know $total= boys + girls$ and we know $boys = girls + 1$. Each sister has half as many sisters as brothers. So one sister, could have 1 sister and 2 brothers, or 2 sisters and 4 brothers, etc. but only 2 sister and 4 brothers fits with the previous. So there are 3 girls and 4 boys
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– Benedict W. J. Irwin
8 hours ago
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better to write better description of variables. "b=brothers" and "t=total" mean nothing. "Let $b$ be the number of brothers X has" (where you need to specify X too) is a much better description of what you are trying to do so you and anyone reading your work is less likely to be confused.
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8 hours ago
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There is a riddle and I believe it can be solved by algebra - please assist
A boy has as many sisters as brothers, but each sister has only half as many sisters as brothers. How many brothers and sisters are there in the family
Here is algebra, but I am stuck
$b=brother$
$s=sister$
$t=total$
boy has as many brothers as sisters
$b + b + s = t$
each sister has only half as many sisters as brothers
$s + s + b = t$
$s + frac1b + b = t$
Hence
$b + b + s = s + frac1b + b$
$2b + s = s + frac3b2$
$2b = frac3b2$
$4b = 3b$
Please assist.
algebra-precalculus puzzle word-problem
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There is a riddle and I believe it can be solved by algebra - please assist
A boy has as many sisters as brothers, but each sister has only half as many sisters as brothers. How many brothers and sisters are there in the family
Here is algebra, but I am stuck
$b=brother$
$s=sister$
$t=total$
boy has as many brothers as sisters
$b + b + s = t$
each sister has only half as many sisters as brothers
$s + s + b = t$
$s + frac1b + b = t$
Hence
$b + b + s = s + frac1b + b$
$2b + s = s + frac3b2$
$2b = frac3b2$
$4b = 3b$
Please assist.
algebra-precalculus puzzle word-problem
algebra-precalculus puzzle word-problem
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Better to choose variables for the number of boys and girls. Remember that a boy has one fewer brother than a girl has.
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– lulu
8 hours ago
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A boy (who is one of the brothers) has as many brothers as sisters. So we know $total= boys + girls$ and we know $boys = girls + 1$. Each sister has half as many sisters as brothers. So one sister, could have 1 sister and 2 brothers, or 2 sisters and 4 brothers, etc. but only 2 sister and 4 brothers fits with the previous. So there are 3 girls and 4 boys
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– Benedict W. J. Irwin
8 hours ago
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better to write better description of variables. "b=brothers" and "t=total" mean nothing. "Let $b$ be the number of brothers X has" (where you need to specify X too) is a much better description of what you are trying to do so you and anyone reading your work is less likely to be confused.
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Better to choose variables for the number of boys and girls. Remember that a boy has one fewer brother than a girl has.
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– lulu
8 hours ago
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A boy (who is one of the brothers) has as many brothers as sisters. So we know $total= boys + girls$ and we know $boys = girls + 1$. Each sister has half as many sisters as brothers. So one sister, could have 1 sister and 2 brothers, or 2 sisters and 4 brothers, etc. but only 2 sister and 4 brothers fits with the previous. So there are 3 girls and 4 boys
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– Benedict W. J. Irwin
8 hours ago
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better to write better description of variables. "b=brothers" and "t=total" mean nothing. "Let $b$ be the number of brothers X has" (where you need to specify X too) is a much better description of what you are trying to do so you and anyone reading your work is less likely to be confused.
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– user10354138
8 hours ago
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Better to choose variables for the number of boys and girls. Remember that a boy has one fewer brother than a girl has.
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– lulu
8 hours ago
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Better to choose variables for the number of boys and girls. Remember that a boy has one fewer brother than a girl has.
$endgroup$
– lulu
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
A boy (who is one of the brothers) has as many brothers as sisters. So we know $total= boys + girls$ and we know $boys = girls + 1$. Each sister has half as many sisters as brothers. So one sister, could have 1 sister and 2 brothers, or 2 sisters and 4 brothers, etc. but only 2 sister and 4 brothers fits with the previous. So there are 3 girls and 4 boys
$endgroup$
– Benedict W. J. Irwin
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
A boy (who is one of the brothers) has as many brothers as sisters. So we know $total= boys + girls$ and we know $boys = girls + 1$. Each sister has half as many sisters as brothers. So one sister, could have 1 sister and 2 brothers, or 2 sisters and 4 brothers, etc. but only 2 sister and 4 brothers fits with the previous. So there are 3 girls and 4 boys
$endgroup$
– Benedict W. J. Irwin
8 hours ago
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better to write better description of variables. "b=brothers" and "t=total" mean nothing. "Let $b$ be the number of brothers X has" (where you need to specify X too) is a much better description of what you are trying to do so you and anyone reading your work is less likely to be confused.
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– user10354138
8 hours ago
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better to write better description of variables. "b=brothers" and "t=total" mean nothing. "Let $b$ be the number of brothers X has" (where you need to specify X too) is a much better description of what you are trying to do so you and anyone reading your work is less likely to be confused.
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$b$ = number of boys = number of brothers each girl has
$g$ = number of girls = number of sisters each boy has
$b-1$ = number of brothers each boy has
$g-1$ = number of sisters each girl has
$$b-1 = g, qquad (textEquation 1)$$
$$g-1 = dfracb2, qquad (textEquation 2)$$
Plugging in for $g=b-1$ into the second equation:
$$b-1-1 = dfracb2 Longrightarrow b=4, g=3$$
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Yet you are missing a solution.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
8 hours ago
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Am I though? It depends on how you read the OP's question. The "missing" solution is not an algebraic one. It requires an understanding of logic and set theory. The OP did not explicitly ask for all solutions. The OP asked for a solution derived algebraically.
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– InterstellarProbe
7 hours ago
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A solution is a solution, it exists independently of any derivation. And besides, one is always using logic to derive the algebraic conditions from the stated facts before solving them. In doing so, one cannot just assume that something that has to be true for every girl is actually instantiated at least once; that is just bad deduction.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
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@MarcvanLeeuwen Agree to disagree?
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Although this is probably not intentional, this problem has two different solutions. If you assume there are $s>0$ sisters, the boy also has $s$ brothers making $s+1$ boys in all. Each boy being a brother of any of the girls, each having $s-1$ sisters, the equation $s+1=2(s-1)$ easily solves to $s=3$ (four boys and three girls in all).
However, the question does not say that $sneq0$; the boy need not have any sisters. In that case each of the sisters has (whatever) is true; there aren't any sisters so that is vacuously true. So $s=0$ is another solution: a family with one boy and no girls. Technically, in this case there are no brothers and sisters at all in the family (which is what the question was asking), as the one child that is there is neither a sister nor a brother. Actually, nowadays this is the more likely solution, I would think.
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The problem is you're using $b$ for the number of the boy's brothers and also for the number of the girl's brothers.
Instead say there are $b$ boys and $g$ girls. Then a boy has $b-1$ brothers, so $$g=b-1.$$Similarly $$g-1=b/2.$$
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There is another solution.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
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I think it'd be easiest to do
$b = $ number of boys
$g = $ number of girls and the essential insight is to notice:
A boy has $b-1$ brothers and $g$ sisters, and a girl has $b$ brother and $g-1$ sisters.
So "A boy has as many sisters as brothers" means $b-1 = g$.
And "each sister has only half as many sisters as brothers" means $ g-1 = frac 12 b$
So solve the two equations two unknowns:
$b-1 = g$
$g-1 =frac 12 b$
......
If you want to use variables for brothers and sisters you can do
$b_b = $ number of brothers a boy has
$b_g = $ number of brothers a girl has
$s_b = $ number of sisters a boy has and
$s_g = $ number of sisters a girl has.
Then our riddle is $b_b = s_b$ and $s_g = frac 12 b_s$.
But to solve it we need to not the unstated but essential a girl has $1$ fewer sister than a boy, and a boy has one fewer brother than a girl. So
$b_b = b_g -1$ and $s_g = s_b - 1$.
So solve the four equations four unknowns
$b_b = s_b$
$s_g = frac 12b_s$
$b_b = b_s -1$
$s_g = s_b - 1$.
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Your notation is not clear. You state $b_b=b_g-1$ and then below that, you have $b_b=b_g$. This implies $0=-1$, a contradiction.
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$b$ = number of boys = number of brothers each girl has
$g$ = number of girls = number of sisters each boy has
$b-1$ = number of brothers each boy has
$g-1$ = number of sisters each girl has
$$b-1 = g, qquad (textEquation 1)$$
$$g-1 = dfracb2, qquad (textEquation 2)$$
Plugging in for $g=b-1$ into the second equation:
$$b-1-1 = dfracb2 Longrightarrow b=4, g=3$$
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Yet you are missing a solution.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
8 hours ago
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Am I though? It depends on how you read the OP's question. The "missing" solution is not an algebraic one. It requires an understanding of logic and set theory. The OP did not explicitly ask for all solutions. The OP asked for a solution derived algebraically.
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– InterstellarProbe
7 hours ago
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A solution is a solution, it exists independently of any derivation. And besides, one is always using logic to derive the algebraic conditions from the stated facts before solving them. In doing so, one cannot just assume that something that has to be true for every girl is actually instantiated at least once; that is just bad deduction.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
5 hours ago
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@MarcvanLeeuwen Agree to disagree?
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– InterstellarProbe
5 hours ago
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$b$ = number of boys = number of brothers each girl has
$g$ = number of girls = number of sisters each boy has
$b-1$ = number of brothers each boy has
$g-1$ = number of sisters each girl has
$$b-1 = g, qquad (textEquation 1)$$
$$g-1 = dfracb2, qquad (textEquation 2)$$
Plugging in for $g=b-1$ into the second equation:
$$b-1-1 = dfracb2 Longrightarrow b=4, g=3$$
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Yet you are missing a solution.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
8 hours ago
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Am I though? It depends on how you read the OP's question. The "missing" solution is not an algebraic one. It requires an understanding of logic and set theory. The OP did not explicitly ask for all solutions. The OP asked for a solution derived algebraically.
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– InterstellarProbe
7 hours ago
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A solution is a solution, it exists independently of any derivation. And besides, one is always using logic to derive the algebraic conditions from the stated facts before solving them. In doing so, one cannot just assume that something that has to be true for every girl is actually instantiated at least once; that is just bad deduction.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
5 hours ago
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@MarcvanLeeuwen Agree to disagree?
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– InterstellarProbe
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$b$ = number of boys = number of brothers each girl has
$g$ = number of girls = number of sisters each boy has
$b-1$ = number of brothers each boy has
$g-1$ = number of sisters each girl has
$$b-1 = g, qquad (textEquation 1)$$
$$g-1 = dfracb2, qquad (textEquation 2)$$
Plugging in for $g=b-1$ into the second equation:
$$b-1-1 = dfracb2 Longrightarrow b=4, g=3$$
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$b$ = number of boys = number of brothers each girl has
$g$ = number of girls = number of sisters each boy has
$b-1$ = number of brothers each boy has
$g-1$ = number of sisters each girl has
$$b-1 = g, qquad (textEquation 1)$$
$$g-1 = dfracb2, qquad (textEquation 2)$$
Plugging in for $g=b-1$ into the second equation:
$$b-1-1 = dfracb2 Longrightarrow b=4, g=3$$
answered 8 hours ago
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Yet you are missing a solution.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
8 hours ago
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Am I though? It depends on how you read the OP's question. The "missing" solution is not an algebraic one. It requires an understanding of logic and set theory. The OP did not explicitly ask for all solutions. The OP asked for a solution derived algebraically.
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– InterstellarProbe
7 hours ago
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A solution is a solution, it exists independently of any derivation. And besides, one is always using logic to derive the algebraic conditions from the stated facts before solving them. In doing so, one cannot just assume that something that has to be true for every girl is actually instantiated at least once; that is just bad deduction.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
5 hours ago
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@MarcvanLeeuwen Agree to disagree?
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– InterstellarProbe
5 hours ago
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Yet you are missing a solution.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
8 hours ago
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Am I though? It depends on how you read the OP's question. The "missing" solution is not an algebraic one. It requires an understanding of logic and set theory. The OP did not explicitly ask for all solutions. The OP asked for a solution derived algebraically.
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– InterstellarProbe
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
A solution is a solution, it exists independently of any derivation. And besides, one is always using logic to derive the algebraic conditions from the stated facts before solving them. In doing so, one cannot just assume that something that has to be true for every girl is actually instantiated at least once; that is just bad deduction.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
5 hours ago
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@MarcvanLeeuwen Agree to disagree?
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– InterstellarProbe
5 hours ago
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Yet you are missing a solution.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
8 hours ago
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Yet you are missing a solution.
$endgroup$
– Marc van Leeuwen
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Am I though? It depends on how you read the OP's question. The "missing" solution is not an algebraic one. It requires an understanding of logic and set theory. The OP did not explicitly ask for all solutions. The OP asked for a solution derived algebraically.
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– InterstellarProbe
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Am I though? It depends on how you read the OP's question. The "missing" solution is not an algebraic one. It requires an understanding of logic and set theory. The OP did not explicitly ask for all solutions. The OP asked for a solution derived algebraically.
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– InterstellarProbe
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
A solution is a solution, it exists independently of any derivation. And besides, one is always using logic to derive the algebraic conditions from the stated facts before solving them. In doing so, one cannot just assume that something that has to be true for every girl is actually instantiated at least once; that is just bad deduction.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
5 hours ago
$begingroup$
A solution is a solution, it exists independently of any derivation. And besides, one is always using logic to derive the algebraic conditions from the stated facts before solving them. In doing so, one cannot just assume that something that has to be true for every girl is actually instantiated at least once; that is just bad deduction.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
5 hours ago
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@MarcvanLeeuwen Agree to disagree?
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– InterstellarProbe
5 hours ago
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@MarcvanLeeuwen Agree to disagree?
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– InterstellarProbe
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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Although this is probably not intentional, this problem has two different solutions. If you assume there are $s>0$ sisters, the boy also has $s$ brothers making $s+1$ boys in all. Each boy being a brother of any of the girls, each having $s-1$ sisters, the equation $s+1=2(s-1)$ easily solves to $s=3$ (four boys and three girls in all).
However, the question does not say that $sneq0$; the boy need not have any sisters. In that case each of the sisters has (whatever) is true; there aren't any sisters so that is vacuously true. So $s=0$ is another solution: a family with one boy and no girls. Technically, in this case there are no brothers and sisters at all in the family (which is what the question was asking), as the one child that is there is neither a sister nor a brother. Actually, nowadays this is the more likely solution, I would think.
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Although this is probably not intentional, this problem has two different solutions. If you assume there are $s>0$ sisters, the boy also has $s$ brothers making $s+1$ boys in all. Each boy being a brother of any of the girls, each having $s-1$ sisters, the equation $s+1=2(s-1)$ easily solves to $s=3$ (four boys and three girls in all).
However, the question does not say that $sneq0$; the boy need not have any sisters. In that case each of the sisters has (whatever) is true; there aren't any sisters so that is vacuously true. So $s=0$ is another solution: a family with one boy and no girls. Technically, in this case there are no brothers and sisters at all in the family (which is what the question was asking), as the one child that is there is neither a sister nor a brother. Actually, nowadays this is the more likely solution, I would think.
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$begingroup$
Although this is probably not intentional, this problem has two different solutions. If you assume there are $s>0$ sisters, the boy also has $s$ brothers making $s+1$ boys in all. Each boy being a brother of any of the girls, each having $s-1$ sisters, the equation $s+1=2(s-1)$ easily solves to $s=3$ (four boys and three girls in all).
However, the question does not say that $sneq0$; the boy need not have any sisters. In that case each of the sisters has (whatever) is true; there aren't any sisters so that is vacuously true. So $s=0$ is another solution: a family with one boy and no girls. Technically, in this case there are no brothers and sisters at all in the family (which is what the question was asking), as the one child that is there is neither a sister nor a brother. Actually, nowadays this is the more likely solution, I would think.
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Although this is probably not intentional, this problem has two different solutions. If you assume there are $s>0$ sisters, the boy also has $s$ brothers making $s+1$ boys in all. Each boy being a brother of any of the girls, each having $s-1$ sisters, the equation $s+1=2(s-1)$ easily solves to $s=3$ (four boys and three girls in all).
However, the question does not say that $sneq0$; the boy need not have any sisters. In that case each of the sisters has (whatever) is true; there aren't any sisters so that is vacuously true. So $s=0$ is another solution: a family with one boy and no girls. Technically, in this case there are no brothers and sisters at all in the family (which is what the question was asking), as the one child that is there is neither a sister nor a brother. Actually, nowadays this is the more likely solution, I would think.
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The problem is you're using $b$ for the number of the boy's brothers and also for the number of the girl's brothers.
Instead say there are $b$ boys and $g$ girls. Then a boy has $b-1$ brothers, so $$g=b-1.$$Similarly $$g-1=b/2.$$
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There is another solution.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
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The problem is you're using $b$ for the number of the boy's brothers and also for the number of the girl's brothers.
Instead say there are $b$ boys and $g$ girls. Then a boy has $b-1$ brothers, so $$g=b-1.$$Similarly $$g-1=b/2.$$
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There is another solution.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
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The problem is you're using $b$ for the number of the boy's brothers and also for the number of the girl's brothers.
Instead say there are $b$ boys and $g$ girls. Then a boy has $b-1$ brothers, so $$g=b-1.$$Similarly $$g-1=b/2.$$
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The problem is you're using $b$ for the number of the boy's brothers and also for the number of the girl's brothers.
Instead say there are $b$ boys and $g$ girls. Then a boy has $b-1$ brothers, so $$g=b-1.$$Similarly $$g-1=b/2.$$
answered 8 hours ago
David C. UllrichDavid C. Ullrich
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– Marc van Leeuwen
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There is another solution.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
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There is another solution.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
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There is another solution.
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– Marc van Leeuwen
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I think it'd be easiest to do
$b = $ number of boys
$g = $ number of girls and the essential insight is to notice:
A boy has $b-1$ brothers and $g$ sisters, and a girl has $b$ brother and $g-1$ sisters.
So "A boy has as many sisters as brothers" means $b-1 = g$.
And "each sister has only half as many sisters as brothers" means $ g-1 = frac 12 b$
So solve the two equations two unknowns:
$b-1 = g$
$g-1 =frac 12 b$
......
If you want to use variables for brothers and sisters you can do
$b_b = $ number of brothers a boy has
$b_g = $ number of brothers a girl has
$s_b = $ number of sisters a boy has and
$s_g = $ number of sisters a girl has.
Then our riddle is $b_b = s_b$ and $s_g = frac 12 b_s$.
But to solve it we need to not the unstated but essential a girl has $1$ fewer sister than a boy, and a boy has one fewer brother than a girl. So
$b_b = b_g -1$ and $s_g = s_b - 1$.
So solve the four equations four unknowns
$b_b = s_b$
$s_g = frac 12b_s$
$b_b = b_s -1$
$s_g = s_b - 1$.
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Your notation is not clear. You state $b_b=b_g-1$ and then below that, you have $b_b=b_g$. This implies $0=-1$, a contradiction.
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– InterstellarProbe
7 hours ago
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I think it'd be easiest to do
$b = $ number of boys
$g = $ number of girls and the essential insight is to notice:
A boy has $b-1$ brothers and $g$ sisters, and a girl has $b$ brother and $g-1$ sisters.
So "A boy has as many sisters as brothers" means $b-1 = g$.
And "each sister has only half as many sisters as brothers" means $ g-1 = frac 12 b$
So solve the two equations two unknowns:
$b-1 = g$
$g-1 =frac 12 b$
......
If you want to use variables for brothers and sisters you can do
$b_b = $ number of brothers a boy has
$b_g = $ number of brothers a girl has
$s_b = $ number of sisters a boy has and
$s_g = $ number of sisters a girl has.
Then our riddle is $b_b = s_b$ and $s_g = frac 12 b_s$.
But to solve it we need to not the unstated but essential a girl has $1$ fewer sister than a boy, and a boy has one fewer brother than a girl. So
$b_b = b_g -1$ and $s_g = s_b - 1$.
So solve the four equations four unknowns
$b_b = s_b$
$s_g = frac 12b_s$
$b_b = b_s -1$
$s_g = s_b - 1$.
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1
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Your notation is not clear. You state $b_b=b_g-1$ and then below that, you have $b_b=b_g$. This implies $0=-1$, a contradiction.
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– InterstellarProbe
7 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I think it'd be easiest to do
$b = $ number of boys
$g = $ number of girls and the essential insight is to notice:
A boy has $b-1$ brothers and $g$ sisters, and a girl has $b$ brother and $g-1$ sisters.
So "A boy has as many sisters as brothers" means $b-1 = g$.
And "each sister has only half as many sisters as brothers" means $ g-1 = frac 12 b$
So solve the two equations two unknowns:
$b-1 = g$
$g-1 =frac 12 b$
......
If you want to use variables for brothers and sisters you can do
$b_b = $ number of brothers a boy has
$b_g = $ number of brothers a girl has
$s_b = $ number of sisters a boy has and
$s_g = $ number of sisters a girl has.
Then our riddle is $b_b = s_b$ and $s_g = frac 12 b_s$.
But to solve it we need to not the unstated but essential a girl has $1$ fewer sister than a boy, and a boy has one fewer brother than a girl. So
$b_b = b_g -1$ and $s_g = s_b - 1$.
So solve the four equations four unknowns
$b_b = s_b$
$s_g = frac 12b_s$
$b_b = b_s -1$
$s_g = s_b - 1$.
$endgroup$
I think it'd be easiest to do
$b = $ number of boys
$g = $ number of girls and the essential insight is to notice:
A boy has $b-1$ brothers and $g$ sisters, and a girl has $b$ brother and $g-1$ sisters.
So "A boy has as many sisters as brothers" means $b-1 = g$.
And "each sister has only half as many sisters as brothers" means $ g-1 = frac 12 b$
So solve the two equations two unknowns:
$b-1 = g$
$g-1 =frac 12 b$
......
If you want to use variables for brothers and sisters you can do
$b_b = $ number of brothers a boy has
$b_g = $ number of brothers a girl has
$s_b = $ number of sisters a boy has and
$s_g = $ number of sisters a girl has.
Then our riddle is $b_b = s_b$ and $s_g = frac 12 b_s$.
But to solve it we need to not the unstated but essential a girl has $1$ fewer sister than a boy, and a boy has one fewer brother than a girl. So
$b_b = b_g -1$ and $s_g = s_b - 1$.
So solve the four equations four unknowns
$b_b = s_b$
$s_g = frac 12b_s$
$b_b = b_s -1$
$s_g = s_b - 1$.
edited 5 hours ago
answered 8 hours ago
fleabloodfleablood
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Your notation is not clear. You state $b_b=b_g-1$ and then below that, you have $b_b=b_g$. This implies $0=-1$, a contradiction.
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– InterstellarProbe
7 hours ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
Your notation is not clear. You state $b_b=b_g-1$ and then below that, you have $b_b=b_g$. This implies $0=-1$, a contradiction.
$endgroup$
– InterstellarProbe
7 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
Your notation is not clear. You state $b_b=b_g-1$ and then below that, you have $b_b=b_g$. This implies $0=-1$, a contradiction.
$endgroup$
– InterstellarProbe
7 hours ago
$begingroup$
Your notation is not clear. You state $b_b=b_g-1$ and then below that, you have $b_b=b_g$. This implies $0=-1$, a contradiction.
$endgroup$
– InterstellarProbe
7 hours ago
add a comment |
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Better to choose variables for the number of boys and girls. Remember that a boy has one fewer brother than a girl has.
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– lulu
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A boy (who is one of the brothers) has as many brothers as sisters. So we know $total= boys + girls$ and we know $boys = girls + 1$. Each sister has half as many sisters as brothers. So one sister, could have 1 sister and 2 brothers, or 2 sisters and 4 brothers, etc. but only 2 sister and 4 brothers fits with the previous. So there are 3 girls and 4 boys
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better to write better description of variables. "b=brothers" and "t=total" mean nothing. "Let $b$ be the number of brothers X has" (where you need to specify X too) is a much better description of what you are trying to do so you and anyone reading your work is less likely to be confused.
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