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Can all groups be thought of as the symmetries of a geometrical object?
When is the automorphism group of the Cayley graph of $G$ just $G$?Is every permutation group isomorphic to a 'familiar' group?Geometrical meaning of automorphisms of cyclic groupssubgroups of the group of pentagon symmetriesIs every finite group of isometries a subgroup of a finite reflection group?How can I use knowledge of group theory to understand these symmetries in proofs and programs?Distinguishing between the symmetries of the square pyramid ($C_4v$) and the square ($D_4$)When reasoning about symmetries of a geometrical figure, are we implicitly assuming a “fixed point of view”?Groups as symmetries, and question about Lie groupsPedagogical examples of distinguishing “types of symmetry”$3D$ figure with rotation group isomorphic to $D_3$Why does the symmetry group of a square include only rotations and reflections?
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It is often said that we can think of groups as the symmetries of some mathematical object. Usual examples involve geometrical objects, for instance we can think of $mathbbS_3$ as the collection of all reflections and rotation symmetries of an equilateral triangle, similarly we can think of $D_8$ as the symmetry group of a square.
Cayley's Theorem along with the fact that the symmetry group of a regular $n$-simplex is isomorphic to $mathbbS_n+1$ allows us to think of any finite group as a subset of the symmetry group of some geometrical object. Which brings me to the following questions:
Can every finite group be represented as the collection of all symmetries of a geometrical object? That is, are all finite groups isomorphic to some Symmetry group?
Can such a result (the representation of groups as distance-preserving transformations of some geometrical object) be extended to infinite groups? If so, how?
Thanks in advance (:
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It is often said that we can think of groups as the symmetries of some mathematical object. Usual examples involve geometrical objects, for instance we can think of $mathbbS_3$ as the collection of all reflections and rotation symmetries of an equilateral triangle, similarly we can think of $D_8$ as the symmetry group of a square.
Cayley's Theorem along with the fact that the symmetry group of a regular $n$-simplex is isomorphic to $mathbbS_n+1$ allows us to think of any finite group as a subset of the symmetry group of some geometrical object. Which brings me to the following questions:
Can every finite group be represented as the collection of all symmetries of a geometrical object? That is, are all finite groups isomorphic to some Symmetry group?
Can such a result (the representation of groups as distance-preserving transformations of some geometrical object) be extended to infinite groups? If so, how?
Thanks in advance (:
abstract-algebra group-theory geometry soft-question symmetry
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See also this question. There are $49,487,365,422$ distinct groups of order $1024$. Probably not all are isomorphic to some nice symmetry group. The following MO-question is a duplicate.
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– Dietrich Burde
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You might want to read about the Cayley graph of a group
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– Max
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Do you consider finite, undirected graphs "geometric"? Frucht's Theorem says that every finite group $G$ is isomorphic to the automorphism (i.e., symmetry) group $operatornameAut(Gamma)$ of some finite, undirected graph $Gamma$. A strong form of the theorem says that in fact for every $G$ there are infinitely many nonisomorphic finite, undirected graphs $Gamma$ for which $operatornameAut(Gamma) cong G$.
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A theorem of Babai says that we can find graphs that aren't too large, relatively speaking: For any $G notcong Bbb Z_3, Bbb Z_4, Bbb Z_5$ we can find a graph $Gamma$ such that $|Gamma| leq 2 |G|$.
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By "infinite groups" do you mean, say, finitely generated infinite groups, Lie groups, or something else?
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It is often said that we can think of groups as the symmetries of some mathematical object. Usual examples involve geometrical objects, for instance we can think of $mathbbS_3$ as the collection of all reflections and rotation symmetries of an equilateral triangle, similarly we can think of $D_8$ as the symmetry group of a square.
Cayley's Theorem along with the fact that the symmetry group of a regular $n$-simplex is isomorphic to $mathbbS_n+1$ allows us to think of any finite group as a subset of the symmetry group of some geometrical object. Which brings me to the following questions:
Can every finite group be represented as the collection of all symmetries of a geometrical object? That is, are all finite groups isomorphic to some Symmetry group?
Can such a result (the representation of groups as distance-preserving transformations of some geometrical object) be extended to infinite groups? If so, how?
Thanks in advance (:
abstract-algebra group-theory geometry soft-question symmetry
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It is often said that we can think of groups as the symmetries of some mathematical object. Usual examples involve geometrical objects, for instance we can think of $mathbbS_3$ as the collection of all reflections and rotation symmetries of an equilateral triangle, similarly we can think of $D_8$ as the symmetry group of a square.
Cayley's Theorem along with the fact that the symmetry group of a regular $n$-simplex is isomorphic to $mathbbS_n+1$ allows us to think of any finite group as a subset of the symmetry group of some geometrical object. Which brings me to the following questions:
Can every finite group be represented as the collection of all symmetries of a geometrical object? That is, are all finite groups isomorphic to some Symmetry group?
Can such a result (the representation of groups as distance-preserving transformations of some geometrical object) be extended to infinite groups? If so, how?
Thanks in advance (:
abstract-algebra group-theory geometry soft-question symmetry
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See also this question. There are $49,487,365,422$ distinct groups of order $1024$. Probably not all are isomorphic to some nice symmetry group. The following MO-question is a duplicate.
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You might want to read about the Cayley graph of a group
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– Max
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Do you consider finite, undirected graphs "geometric"? Frucht's Theorem says that every finite group $G$ is isomorphic to the automorphism (i.e., symmetry) group $operatornameAut(Gamma)$ of some finite, undirected graph $Gamma$. A strong form of the theorem says that in fact for every $G$ there are infinitely many nonisomorphic finite, undirected graphs $Gamma$ for which $operatornameAut(Gamma) cong G$.
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A theorem of Babai says that we can find graphs that aren't too large, relatively speaking: For any $G notcong Bbb Z_3, Bbb Z_4, Bbb Z_5$ we can find a graph $Gamma$ such that $|Gamma| leq 2 |G|$.
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By "infinite groups" do you mean, say, finitely generated infinite groups, Lie groups, or something else?
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See also this question. There are $49,487,365,422$ distinct groups of order $1024$. Probably not all are isomorphic to some nice symmetry group. The following MO-question is a duplicate.
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– Dietrich Burde
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You might want to read about the Cayley graph of a group
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– Max
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Do you consider finite, undirected graphs "geometric"? Frucht's Theorem says that every finite group $G$ is isomorphic to the automorphism (i.e., symmetry) group $operatornameAut(Gamma)$ of some finite, undirected graph $Gamma$. A strong form of the theorem says that in fact for every $G$ there are infinitely many nonisomorphic finite, undirected graphs $Gamma$ for which $operatornameAut(Gamma) cong G$.
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– Travis
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A theorem of Babai says that we can find graphs that aren't too large, relatively speaking: For any $G notcong Bbb Z_3, Bbb Z_4, Bbb Z_5$ we can find a graph $Gamma$ such that $|Gamma| leq 2 |G|$.
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– Travis
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By "infinite groups" do you mean, say, finitely generated infinite groups, Lie groups, or something else?
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– Travis
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See also this question. There are $49,487,365,422$ distinct groups of order $1024$. Probably not all are isomorphic to some nice symmetry group. The following MO-question is a duplicate.
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– Dietrich Burde
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See also this question. There are $49,487,365,422$ distinct groups of order $1024$. Probably not all are isomorphic to some nice symmetry group. The following MO-question is a duplicate.
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– Dietrich Burde
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You might want to read about the Cayley graph of a group
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– Max
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You might want to read about the Cayley graph of a group
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– Max
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Do you consider finite, undirected graphs "geometric"? Frucht's Theorem says that every finite group $G$ is isomorphic to the automorphism (i.e., symmetry) group $operatornameAut(Gamma)$ of some finite, undirected graph $Gamma$. A strong form of the theorem says that in fact for every $G$ there are infinitely many nonisomorphic finite, undirected graphs $Gamma$ for which $operatornameAut(Gamma) cong G$.
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– Travis
6 hours ago
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Do you consider finite, undirected graphs "geometric"? Frucht's Theorem says that every finite group $G$ is isomorphic to the automorphism (i.e., symmetry) group $operatornameAut(Gamma)$ of some finite, undirected graph $Gamma$. A strong form of the theorem says that in fact for every $G$ there are infinitely many nonisomorphic finite, undirected graphs $Gamma$ for which $operatornameAut(Gamma) cong G$.
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– Travis
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A theorem of Babai says that we can find graphs that aren't too large, relatively speaking: For any $G notcong Bbb Z_3, Bbb Z_4, Bbb Z_5$ we can find a graph $Gamma$ such that $|Gamma| leq 2 |G|$.
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– Travis
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A theorem of Babai says that we can find graphs that aren't too large, relatively speaking: For any $G notcong Bbb Z_3, Bbb Z_4, Bbb Z_5$ we can find a graph $Gamma$ such that $|Gamma| leq 2 |G|$.
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– Travis
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By "infinite groups" do you mean, say, finitely generated infinite groups, Lie groups, or something else?
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Yes. To any group $G$ (and choice of generating set $S$) you can associate its Cayley graph, which has a vertex for each group element $g$, and an edge between the vertices corresponding to $g$ and $gs$ for each $s$ in $S$. The left action of $G$ on itself corresponds to rigid motions of the graph. This graph is finite if and only if $G$ is a finite group.
If you know a little more topology, a corollary of Van Kampen's theorem is that every group $G$ is the fundamental group of a 2-dimensional CW complex $X$, so in particular the group $G$ acts by deck transformations on the universal cover $tilde X$. It even turns out that every group $G$ is the fundamental group of a 4-dimensional topological manifold. In the same vein, Eilenberg and Mac Lane gave a "functorial" construction of a (typically huge) geometric object $BG$, an example of what they term a $K(G,1)$—a space whose topology is in some sense completely determined by $G$, its fundamental group. This allows one to use methods from algebraic topology on even finite groups.
ETA: The representation of infinite, discrete groups as distance-preserving transformations of geometric objects is a central concern of Geometric Group Theory! Meier's Groups, Graphs and Trees or Clay and Margalit's Office Hours With a Geometric Group Theorist make excellent introductions to this field.
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– Santana Afton
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But the representation of $G$ on a Cayley graph of $G$, while faithful, is not necessarily full—for some groups, every Cayley graph has some "extra" symmetries that are not elements of the group representation.
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@KBDave You are right, but I must confess that this defect does not bother me! I frequently give up control of the full symmetry/isometry group of an object $X$ in favor of having an action of my group $G$ on $X$ whose properties I like.
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@KBDave : it becomes full if we allow labels on the edges
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Let $G$ be a finite group of order $n>1$.
In $Bbb R^n$ with standard basis $e_1,ldots, e_n$, we construct a geometric object with trivial symmetry group:
Let $X=frac 1ke_kcup 0$.
Then $0in X$ is the only point with distance $le 1$ to all other points, hence must remain fixed by any symmetry movement. After that, $frac 1ke_k$ is the only point in $X$ at distance $frac 1k$ to $0$, hence must also remain fixed.
By considering the action on itself by left multiplication, a finite group $G$ of order $n$ can be viewed as a subgroup of $Bbb S_n$, and this acts on $Bbb R^n$ by permuting coordinates, which is an orthogonal linear transformation, hence "geometric".
The point $p=(1,2,3,ldots, n)$ is left fix only by the identity, hence its orbit $Gp$ is a geometric object on which $G$ acts freely.
However, we rather consider the orbit $Y:=G(3p+X)$.
Let $alpha$ be a symmetry movement of $Y$.
The points $Gcdot 3p$ are distinguished by the fact that they have $n$ points (namely "their" copy of $X$) in distance $le 1$; this is because any other point in $Gcdot 3p$ differs in at least two coordinates by at least $3$, hence is at distance $ge 3sqrt 2$ and hence the various copies of $X$ are well enough separated.
Hence we find $gin G$ with $alpha(3p)=g(3p)$. Then $g^-1circ alpha$ leaves $3p$ fixed and also must respect the copy of $X$ belonging to $3p$, hence must be the identity. We conclude that the symmetry group of $Y$ is isomorphic to $G$.
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Yes. To any group $G$ (and choice of generating set $S$) you can associate its Cayley graph, which has a vertex for each group element $g$, and an edge between the vertices corresponding to $g$ and $gs$ for each $s$ in $S$. The left action of $G$ on itself corresponds to rigid motions of the graph. This graph is finite if and only if $G$ is a finite group.
If you know a little more topology, a corollary of Van Kampen's theorem is that every group $G$ is the fundamental group of a 2-dimensional CW complex $X$, so in particular the group $G$ acts by deck transformations on the universal cover $tilde X$. It even turns out that every group $G$ is the fundamental group of a 4-dimensional topological manifold. In the same vein, Eilenberg and Mac Lane gave a "functorial" construction of a (typically huge) geometric object $BG$, an example of what they term a $K(G,1)$—a space whose topology is in some sense completely determined by $G$, its fundamental group. This allows one to use methods from algebraic topology on even finite groups.
ETA: The representation of infinite, discrete groups as distance-preserving transformations of geometric objects is a central concern of Geometric Group Theory! Meier's Groups, Graphs and Trees or Clay and Margalit's Office Hours With a Geometric Group Theorist make excellent introductions to this field.
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(+1) for the excellent book recommendations.
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– Santana Afton
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But the representation of $G$ on a Cayley graph of $G$, while faithful, is not necessarily full—for some groups, every Cayley graph has some "extra" symmetries that are not elements of the group representation.
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– K B Dave
6 hours ago
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@KBDave You are right, but I must confess that this defect does not bother me! I frequently give up control of the full symmetry/isometry group of an object $X$ in favor of having an action of my group $G$ on $X$ whose properties I like.
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– Rylee Lyman
6 hours ago
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@KBDave : it becomes full if we allow labels on the edges
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Yes. To any group $G$ (and choice of generating set $S$) you can associate its Cayley graph, which has a vertex for each group element $g$, and an edge between the vertices corresponding to $g$ and $gs$ for each $s$ in $S$. The left action of $G$ on itself corresponds to rigid motions of the graph. This graph is finite if and only if $G$ is a finite group.
If you know a little more topology, a corollary of Van Kampen's theorem is that every group $G$ is the fundamental group of a 2-dimensional CW complex $X$, so in particular the group $G$ acts by deck transformations on the universal cover $tilde X$. It even turns out that every group $G$ is the fundamental group of a 4-dimensional topological manifold. In the same vein, Eilenberg and Mac Lane gave a "functorial" construction of a (typically huge) geometric object $BG$, an example of what they term a $K(G,1)$—a space whose topology is in some sense completely determined by $G$, its fundamental group. This allows one to use methods from algebraic topology on even finite groups.
ETA: The representation of infinite, discrete groups as distance-preserving transformations of geometric objects is a central concern of Geometric Group Theory! Meier's Groups, Graphs and Trees or Clay and Margalit's Office Hours With a Geometric Group Theorist make excellent introductions to this field.
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(+1) for the excellent book recommendations.
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– Santana Afton
6 hours ago
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But the representation of $G$ on a Cayley graph of $G$, while faithful, is not necessarily full—for some groups, every Cayley graph has some "extra" symmetries that are not elements of the group representation.
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– K B Dave
6 hours ago
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@KBDave You are right, but I must confess that this defect does not bother me! I frequently give up control of the full symmetry/isometry group of an object $X$ in favor of having an action of my group $G$ on $X$ whose properties I like.
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– Rylee Lyman
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@KBDave : it becomes full if we allow labels on the edges
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Yes. To any group $G$ (and choice of generating set $S$) you can associate its Cayley graph, which has a vertex for each group element $g$, and an edge between the vertices corresponding to $g$ and $gs$ for each $s$ in $S$. The left action of $G$ on itself corresponds to rigid motions of the graph. This graph is finite if and only if $G$ is a finite group.
If you know a little more topology, a corollary of Van Kampen's theorem is that every group $G$ is the fundamental group of a 2-dimensional CW complex $X$, so in particular the group $G$ acts by deck transformations on the universal cover $tilde X$. It even turns out that every group $G$ is the fundamental group of a 4-dimensional topological manifold. In the same vein, Eilenberg and Mac Lane gave a "functorial" construction of a (typically huge) geometric object $BG$, an example of what they term a $K(G,1)$—a space whose topology is in some sense completely determined by $G$, its fundamental group. This allows one to use methods from algebraic topology on even finite groups.
ETA: The representation of infinite, discrete groups as distance-preserving transformations of geometric objects is a central concern of Geometric Group Theory! Meier's Groups, Graphs and Trees or Clay and Margalit's Office Hours With a Geometric Group Theorist make excellent introductions to this field.
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Yes. To any group $G$ (and choice of generating set $S$) you can associate its Cayley graph, which has a vertex for each group element $g$, and an edge between the vertices corresponding to $g$ and $gs$ for each $s$ in $S$. The left action of $G$ on itself corresponds to rigid motions of the graph. This graph is finite if and only if $G$ is a finite group.
If you know a little more topology, a corollary of Van Kampen's theorem is that every group $G$ is the fundamental group of a 2-dimensional CW complex $X$, so in particular the group $G$ acts by deck transformations on the universal cover $tilde X$. It even turns out that every group $G$ is the fundamental group of a 4-dimensional topological manifold. In the same vein, Eilenberg and Mac Lane gave a "functorial" construction of a (typically huge) geometric object $BG$, an example of what they term a $K(G,1)$—a space whose topology is in some sense completely determined by $G$, its fundamental group. This allows one to use methods from algebraic topology on even finite groups.
ETA: The representation of infinite, discrete groups as distance-preserving transformations of geometric objects is a central concern of Geometric Group Theory! Meier's Groups, Graphs and Trees or Clay and Margalit's Office Hours With a Geometric Group Theorist make excellent introductions to this field.
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(+1) for the excellent book recommendations.
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– Santana Afton
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But the representation of $G$ on a Cayley graph of $G$, while faithful, is not necessarily full—for some groups, every Cayley graph has some "extra" symmetries that are not elements of the group representation.
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– K B Dave
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@KBDave You are right, but I must confess that this defect does not bother me! I frequently give up control of the full symmetry/isometry group of an object $X$ in favor of having an action of my group $G$ on $X$ whose properties I like.
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– Rylee Lyman
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@KBDave : it becomes full if we allow labels on the edges
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– Max
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(+1) for the excellent book recommendations.
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– Santana Afton
6 hours ago
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But the representation of $G$ on a Cayley graph of $G$, while faithful, is not necessarily full—for some groups, every Cayley graph has some "extra" symmetries that are not elements of the group representation.
$endgroup$
– K B Dave
6 hours ago
2
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@KBDave You are right, but I must confess that this defect does not bother me! I frequently give up control of the full symmetry/isometry group of an object $X$ in favor of having an action of my group $G$ on $X$ whose properties I like.
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– Rylee Lyman
6 hours ago
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@KBDave : it becomes full if we allow labels on the edges
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– Max
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(+1) for the excellent book recommendations.
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– Santana Afton
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(+1) for the excellent book recommendations.
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– Santana Afton
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But the representation of $G$ on a Cayley graph of $G$, while faithful, is not necessarily full—for some groups, every Cayley graph has some "extra" symmetries that are not elements of the group representation.
$endgroup$
– K B Dave
6 hours ago
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But the representation of $G$ on a Cayley graph of $G$, while faithful, is not necessarily full—for some groups, every Cayley graph has some "extra" symmetries that are not elements of the group representation.
$endgroup$
– K B Dave
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@KBDave You are right, but I must confess that this defect does not bother me! I frequently give up control of the full symmetry/isometry group of an object $X$ in favor of having an action of my group $G$ on $X$ whose properties I like.
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– Rylee Lyman
6 hours ago
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@KBDave You are right, but I must confess that this defect does not bother me! I frequently give up control of the full symmetry/isometry group of an object $X$ in favor of having an action of my group $G$ on $X$ whose properties I like.
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– Rylee Lyman
6 hours ago
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@KBDave : it becomes full if we allow labels on the edges
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– Max
6 hours ago
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@KBDave : it becomes full if we allow labels on the edges
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Let $G$ be a finite group of order $n>1$.
In $Bbb R^n$ with standard basis $e_1,ldots, e_n$, we construct a geometric object with trivial symmetry group:
Let $X=frac 1ke_kcup 0$.
Then $0in X$ is the only point with distance $le 1$ to all other points, hence must remain fixed by any symmetry movement. After that, $frac 1ke_k$ is the only point in $X$ at distance $frac 1k$ to $0$, hence must also remain fixed.
By considering the action on itself by left multiplication, a finite group $G$ of order $n$ can be viewed as a subgroup of $Bbb S_n$, and this acts on $Bbb R^n$ by permuting coordinates, which is an orthogonal linear transformation, hence "geometric".
The point $p=(1,2,3,ldots, n)$ is left fix only by the identity, hence its orbit $Gp$ is a geometric object on which $G$ acts freely.
However, we rather consider the orbit $Y:=G(3p+X)$.
Let $alpha$ be a symmetry movement of $Y$.
The points $Gcdot 3p$ are distinguished by the fact that they have $n$ points (namely "their" copy of $X$) in distance $le 1$; this is because any other point in $Gcdot 3p$ differs in at least two coordinates by at least $3$, hence is at distance $ge 3sqrt 2$ and hence the various copies of $X$ are well enough separated.
Hence we find $gin G$ with $alpha(3p)=g(3p)$. Then $g^-1circ alpha$ leaves $3p$ fixed and also must respect the copy of $X$ belonging to $3p$, hence must be the identity. We conclude that the symmetry group of $Y$ is isomorphic to $G$.
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Let $G$ be a finite group of order $n>1$.
In $Bbb R^n$ with standard basis $e_1,ldots, e_n$, we construct a geometric object with trivial symmetry group:
Let $X=frac 1ke_kcup 0$.
Then $0in X$ is the only point with distance $le 1$ to all other points, hence must remain fixed by any symmetry movement. After that, $frac 1ke_k$ is the only point in $X$ at distance $frac 1k$ to $0$, hence must also remain fixed.
By considering the action on itself by left multiplication, a finite group $G$ of order $n$ can be viewed as a subgroup of $Bbb S_n$, and this acts on $Bbb R^n$ by permuting coordinates, which is an orthogonal linear transformation, hence "geometric".
The point $p=(1,2,3,ldots, n)$ is left fix only by the identity, hence its orbit $Gp$ is a geometric object on which $G$ acts freely.
However, we rather consider the orbit $Y:=G(3p+X)$.
Let $alpha$ be a symmetry movement of $Y$.
The points $Gcdot 3p$ are distinguished by the fact that they have $n$ points (namely "their" copy of $X$) in distance $le 1$; this is because any other point in $Gcdot 3p$ differs in at least two coordinates by at least $3$, hence is at distance $ge 3sqrt 2$ and hence the various copies of $X$ are well enough separated.
Hence we find $gin G$ with $alpha(3p)=g(3p)$. Then $g^-1circ alpha$ leaves $3p$ fixed and also must respect the copy of $X$ belonging to $3p$, hence must be the identity. We conclude that the symmetry group of $Y$ is isomorphic to $G$.
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Let $G$ be a finite group of order $n>1$.
In $Bbb R^n$ with standard basis $e_1,ldots, e_n$, we construct a geometric object with trivial symmetry group:
Let $X=frac 1ke_kcup 0$.
Then $0in X$ is the only point with distance $le 1$ to all other points, hence must remain fixed by any symmetry movement. After that, $frac 1ke_k$ is the only point in $X$ at distance $frac 1k$ to $0$, hence must also remain fixed.
By considering the action on itself by left multiplication, a finite group $G$ of order $n$ can be viewed as a subgroup of $Bbb S_n$, and this acts on $Bbb R^n$ by permuting coordinates, which is an orthogonal linear transformation, hence "geometric".
The point $p=(1,2,3,ldots, n)$ is left fix only by the identity, hence its orbit $Gp$ is a geometric object on which $G$ acts freely.
However, we rather consider the orbit $Y:=G(3p+X)$.
Let $alpha$ be a symmetry movement of $Y$.
The points $Gcdot 3p$ are distinguished by the fact that they have $n$ points (namely "their" copy of $X$) in distance $le 1$; this is because any other point in $Gcdot 3p$ differs in at least two coordinates by at least $3$, hence is at distance $ge 3sqrt 2$ and hence the various copies of $X$ are well enough separated.
Hence we find $gin G$ with $alpha(3p)=g(3p)$. Then $g^-1circ alpha$ leaves $3p$ fixed and also must respect the copy of $X$ belonging to $3p$, hence must be the identity. We conclude that the symmetry group of $Y$ is isomorphic to $G$.
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Let $G$ be a finite group of order $n>1$.
In $Bbb R^n$ with standard basis $e_1,ldots, e_n$, we construct a geometric object with trivial symmetry group:
Let $X=frac 1ke_kcup 0$.
Then $0in X$ is the only point with distance $le 1$ to all other points, hence must remain fixed by any symmetry movement. After that, $frac 1ke_k$ is the only point in $X$ at distance $frac 1k$ to $0$, hence must also remain fixed.
By considering the action on itself by left multiplication, a finite group $G$ of order $n$ can be viewed as a subgroup of $Bbb S_n$, and this acts on $Bbb R^n$ by permuting coordinates, which is an orthogonal linear transformation, hence "geometric".
The point $p=(1,2,3,ldots, n)$ is left fix only by the identity, hence its orbit $Gp$ is a geometric object on which $G$ acts freely.
However, we rather consider the orbit $Y:=G(3p+X)$.
Let $alpha$ be a symmetry movement of $Y$.
The points $Gcdot 3p$ are distinguished by the fact that they have $n$ points (namely "their" copy of $X$) in distance $le 1$; this is because any other point in $Gcdot 3p$ differs in at least two coordinates by at least $3$, hence is at distance $ge 3sqrt 2$ and hence the various copies of $X$ are well enough separated.
Hence we find $gin G$ with $alpha(3p)=g(3p)$. Then $g^-1circ alpha$ leaves $3p$ fixed and also must respect the copy of $X$ belonging to $3p$, hence must be the identity. We conclude that the symmetry group of $Y$ is isomorphic to $G$.
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See also this question. There are $49,487,365,422$ distinct groups of order $1024$. Probably not all are isomorphic to some nice symmetry group. The following MO-question is a duplicate.
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– Dietrich Burde
7 hours ago
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You might want to read about the Cayley graph of a group
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– Max
7 hours ago
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Do you consider finite, undirected graphs "geometric"? Frucht's Theorem says that every finite group $G$ is isomorphic to the automorphism (i.e., symmetry) group $operatornameAut(Gamma)$ of some finite, undirected graph $Gamma$. A strong form of the theorem says that in fact for every $G$ there are infinitely many nonisomorphic finite, undirected graphs $Gamma$ for which $operatornameAut(Gamma) cong G$.
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– Travis
6 hours ago
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A theorem of Babai says that we can find graphs that aren't too large, relatively speaking: For any $G notcong Bbb Z_3, Bbb Z_4, Bbb Z_5$ we can find a graph $Gamma$ such that $|Gamma| leq 2 |G|$.
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– Travis
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By "infinite groups" do you mean, say, finitely generated infinite groups, Lie groups, or something else?
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– Travis
6 hours ago