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Finding the constrain of integral
ML-inequality for real integralsEvaluating the integral $int_0^infty fracsin x x ,mathrm dx = frac pi 2$?Proving the inequality of an integral applied to a sumFind values so that integral is a bounded operatorProblem in series expansionSolving the improper integral $1/(x^a+y^b)$Convergence of the integral: $I_alpha =int _0^infty left(frace^-alpha xsqrtxright):dx$definition of Fourier transform questionsHow to calculate $iint_D (x^2 + y^2) , dxdy$ with $D = (fracx2)^2 + (fracy3)^2 leq 1$?Integral transform with reciprocal complex exponential functions?permute double integral and limit
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$ f_n(x) = left(4x-x^2right)^n$
I'm trying to prove that $int _0^4:f_n(x),dx < 4^n+1$
When I'm doing a general integral to $n > 1$, I'm getting an expression that equals to zero when $X = 4$ or $X = 0$.
This is the expression:
$$fracleft(4x-x^2right)^n+1(4-2X)(n+1) $$
What am I missing? Because it doesn't not make sense that every integral with $n > 1$ is equal to zero
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$ f_n(x) = left(4x-x^2right)^n$
I'm trying to prove that $int _0^4:f_n(x),dx < 4^n+1$
When I'm doing a general integral to $n > 1$, I'm getting an expression that equals to zero when $X = 4$ or $X = 0$.
This is the expression:
$$fracleft(4x-x^2right)^n+1(4-2X)(n+1) $$
What am I missing? Because it doesn't not make sense that every integral with $n > 1$ is equal to zero
analysis
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$ f_n(x) = left(4x-x^2right)^n$
I'm trying to prove that $int _0^4:f_n(x),dx < 4^n+1$
When I'm doing a general integral to $n > 1$, I'm getting an expression that equals to zero when $X = 4$ or $X = 0$.
This is the expression:
$$fracleft(4x-x^2right)^n+1(4-2X)(n+1) $$
What am I missing? Because it doesn't not make sense that every integral with $n > 1$ is equal to zero
analysis
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$ f_n(x) = left(4x-x^2right)^n$
I'm trying to prove that $int _0^4:f_n(x),dx < 4^n+1$
When I'm doing a general integral to $n > 1$, I'm getting an expression that equals to zero when $X = 4$ or $X = 0$.
This is the expression:
$$fracleft(4x-x^2right)^n+1(4-2X)(n+1) $$
What am I missing? Because it doesn't not make sense that every integral with $n > 1$ is equal to zero
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Hint:
$4x-x^2$ is a quadratic polynomial , with a negative leading coefficient. Furthermore, it vanishes for $x=0$ and $x=4$. Can you find it (absolute) maximum?
Once you've found this maximum, you can use the mean value inequality for integrals.
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Of course, you can estimate this by the maximum! very nice approach. I like this argument. This is probably how the question was meant to be done ^^
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– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
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You cannot just blindly apply the reverse power rule. Remember the chain rule? You have a function within another function.
Consider the case when n=2
$ int_0^4 (4x + x^2)^2 dx = int_0^4 16x^2 + 8x^3 + x^4 dx$
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Would it be better for him to use the binomial expansion, you think?
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– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
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That would be an excellent approach. I was also thinking that you could attempt to find a pattern and then use induction to prove it.
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– agentnola
9 hours ago
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I started working out the binomial theorem approach, you can switch the order of integration and summation and then integrate the power of $x$, this should not be too hard, although it will get a bit messy: $$int _x=0^4:f_n(x),dx =int _x=0^4: (4x-x^2 )^n,dx =int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk (4x)^k cdot (-x^2)^n-k,dx$$
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– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
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Now reduce everything to some power of $x$, move the integral inside and then we hope to get something pretty?
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– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
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Below is a suggestion for a very tedious route, but I wanted to post it anyway. This is probably not how the question is meant to be done.
Observe how by the binomial theorem we have that:
$$I=int _x=0^4:f_n(x),dx =int _x=0^4: (4x-x^2 )^n,dx =int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk (4x)^k cdot (-x^2)^n-k,dx$$
We make this look a bit prettier:
$$I=int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk 4^k cdot (-1)^n-kx^2n-k,dx$$
We may switch the order of integration and summation since this concerns polynomials (what I mean is that they are of finite order), we compute:
$$I=sum_k=0^n binomnk frac12n-k+1 4^k cdot (-1)^n-k4^2n-k+1-0$$
We collect some terms:
$$I=sum_k=0^n binomnk frac12n-k+1 4^2n+1 cdot (-1)^n-k$$
Using combinatorial formulae and some help from Wolfram Alpha, this can be exactly computed to be:
$$ I =fracsqrt pi cdot n! cdot 2^2n+1(n+frac12)!=fracsqrt pi cdot n!(n+frac12)! cdot 4^n + frac12$$
We then need to prove by induction that $fracsqrt pi cdot n!(n+frac12)! > sqrt4$ for positive $n$.
Yes. This is a lot of hard work. You could also just take the approach that was posted by Bernard and observe that $4x-x^2$ has a global maximum on the interval $[0,4]$ (the begin and endpoint are zeros of this polynomial), this maximum by symmetry occurs at $x=2$. The function has maximum value $8-4=4$. Observe then by the estimation lemma that $M =max_x in [0,4]((4x-x^2)^n)=4^n$, and the length of our path is $4$. We get:
$$ int _x=0^4 f_n dx leq M L = 4^n cdot 4 = 4^n+1 $$
Also see: ML-inequality for real integrals
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Hint:
$4x-x^2$ is a quadratic polynomial , with a negative leading coefficient. Furthermore, it vanishes for $x=0$ and $x=4$. Can you find it (absolute) maximum?
Once you've found this maximum, you can use the mean value inequality for integrals.
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Of course, you can estimate this by the maximum! very nice approach. I like this argument. This is probably how the question was meant to be done ^^
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– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hint:
$4x-x^2$ is a quadratic polynomial , with a negative leading coefficient. Furthermore, it vanishes for $x=0$ and $x=4$. Can you find it (absolute) maximum?
Once you've found this maximum, you can use the mean value inequality for integrals.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Of course, you can estimate this by the maximum! very nice approach. I like this argument. This is probably how the question was meant to be done ^^
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hint:
$4x-x^2$ is a quadratic polynomial , with a negative leading coefficient. Furthermore, it vanishes for $x=0$ and $x=4$. Can you find it (absolute) maximum?
Once you've found this maximum, you can use the mean value inequality for integrals.
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Hint:
$4x-x^2$ is a quadratic polynomial , with a negative leading coefficient. Furthermore, it vanishes for $x=0$ and $x=4$. Can you find it (absolute) maximum?
Once you've found this maximum, you can use the mean value inequality for integrals.
answered 9 hours ago
BernardBernard
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Of course, you can estimate this by the maximum! very nice approach. I like this argument. This is probably how the question was meant to be done ^^
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– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
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Of course, you can estimate this by the maximum! very nice approach. I like this argument. This is probably how the question was meant to be done ^^
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– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
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Of course, you can estimate this by the maximum! very nice approach. I like this argument. This is probably how the question was meant to be done ^^
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
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Of course, you can estimate this by the maximum! very nice approach. I like this argument. This is probably how the question was meant to be done ^^
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You cannot just blindly apply the reverse power rule. Remember the chain rule? You have a function within another function.
Consider the case when n=2
$ int_0^4 (4x + x^2)^2 dx = int_0^4 16x^2 + 8x^3 + x^4 dx$
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$begingroup$
Would it be better for him to use the binomial expansion, you think?
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– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
1
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That would be an excellent approach. I was also thinking that you could attempt to find a pattern and then use induction to prove it.
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– agentnola
9 hours ago
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I started working out the binomial theorem approach, you can switch the order of integration and summation and then integrate the power of $x$, this should not be too hard, although it will get a bit messy: $$int _x=0^4:f_n(x),dx =int _x=0^4: (4x-x^2 )^n,dx =int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk (4x)^k cdot (-x^2)^n-k,dx$$
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– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
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Now reduce everything to some power of $x$, move the integral inside and then we hope to get something pretty?
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You cannot just blindly apply the reverse power rule. Remember the chain rule? You have a function within another function.
Consider the case when n=2
$ int_0^4 (4x + x^2)^2 dx = int_0^4 16x^2 + 8x^3 + x^4 dx$
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Would it be better for him to use the binomial expansion, you think?
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
That would be an excellent approach. I was also thinking that you could attempt to find a pattern and then use induction to prove it.
$endgroup$
– agentnola
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
I started working out the binomial theorem approach, you can switch the order of integration and summation and then integrate the power of $x$, this should not be too hard, although it will get a bit messy: $$int _x=0^4:f_n(x),dx =int _x=0^4: (4x-x^2 )^n,dx =int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk (4x)^k cdot (-x^2)^n-k,dx$$
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Now reduce everything to some power of $x$, move the integral inside and then we hope to get something pretty?
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You cannot just blindly apply the reverse power rule. Remember the chain rule? You have a function within another function.
Consider the case when n=2
$ int_0^4 (4x + x^2)^2 dx = int_0^4 16x^2 + 8x^3 + x^4 dx$
$endgroup$
You cannot just blindly apply the reverse power rule. Remember the chain rule? You have a function within another function.
Consider the case when n=2
$ int_0^4 (4x + x^2)^2 dx = int_0^4 16x^2 + 8x^3 + x^4 dx$
answered 9 hours ago
agentnolaagentnola
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Would it be better for him to use the binomial expansion, you think?
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
That would be an excellent approach. I was also thinking that you could attempt to find a pattern and then use induction to prove it.
$endgroup$
– agentnola
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
I started working out the binomial theorem approach, you can switch the order of integration and summation and then integrate the power of $x$, this should not be too hard, although it will get a bit messy: $$int _x=0^4:f_n(x),dx =int _x=0^4: (4x-x^2 )^n,dx =int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk (4x)^k cdot (-x^2)^n-k,dx$$
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– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Now reduce everything to some power of $x$, move the integral inside and then we hope to get something pretty?
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Would it be better for him to use the binomial expansion, you think?
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
That would be an excellent approach. I was also thinking that you could attempt to find a pattern and then use induction to prove it.
$endgroup$
– agentnola
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
I started working out the binomial theorem approach, you can switch the order of integration and summation and then integrate the power of $x$, this should not be too hard, although it will get a bit messy: $$int _x=0^4:f_n(x),dx =int _x=0^4: (4x-x^2 )^n,dx =int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk (4x)^k cdot (-x^2)^n-k,dx$$
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Now reduce everything to some power of $x$, move the integral inside and then we hope to get something pretty?
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Would it be better for him to use the binomial expansion, you think?
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Would it be better for him to use the binomial expansion, you think?
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
That would be an excellent approach. I was also thinking that you could attempt to find a pattern and then use induction to prove it.
$endgroup$
– agentnola
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
That would be an excellent approach. I was also thinking that you could attempt to find a pattern and then use induction to prove it.
$endgroup$
– agentnola
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
I started working out the binomial theorem approach, you can switch the order of integration and summation and then integrate the power of $x$, this should not be too hard, although it will get a bit messy: $$int _x=0^4:f_n(x),dx =int _x=0^4: (4x-x^2 )^n,dx =int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk (4x)^k cdot (-x^2)^n-k,dx$$
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
I started working out the binomial theorem approach, you can switch the order of integration and summation and then integrate the power of $x$, this should not be too hard, although it will get a bit messy: $$int _x=0^4:f_n(x),dx =int _x=0^4: (4x-x^2 )^n,dx =int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk (4x)^k cdot (-x^2)^n-k,dx$$
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Now reduce everything to some power of $x$, move the integral inside and then we hope to get something pretty?
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Now reduce everything to some power of $x$, move the integral inside and then we hope to get something pretty?
$endgroup$
– Wesley Strik
9 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Below is a suggestion for a very tedious route, but I wanted to post it anyway. This is probably not how the question is meant to be done.
Observe how by the binomial theorem we have that:
$$I=int _x=0^4:f_n(x),dx =int _x=0^4: (4x-x^2 )^n,dx =int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk (4x)^k cdot (-x^2)^n-k,dx$$
We make this look a bit prettier:
$$I=int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk 4^k cdot (-1)^n-kx^2n-k,dx$$
We may switch the order of integration and summation since this concerns polynomials (what I mean is that they are of finite order), we compute:
$$I=sum_k=0^n binomnk frac12n-k+1 4^k cdot (-1)^n-k4^2n-k+1-0$$
We collect some terms:
$$I=sum_k=0^n binomnk frac12n-k+1 4^2n+1 cdot (-1)^n-k$$
Using combinatorial formulae and some help from Wolfram Alpha, this can be exactly computed to be:
$$ I =fracsqrt pi cdot n! cdot 2^2n+1(n+frac12)!=fracsqrt pi cdot n!(n+frac12)! cdot 4^n + frac12$$
We then need to prove by induction that $fracsqrt pi cdot n!(n+frac12)! > sqrt4$ for positive $n$.
Yes. This is a lot of hard work. You could also just take the approach that was posted by Bernard and observe that $4x-x^2$ has a global maximum on the interval $[0,4]$ (the begin and endpoint are zeros of this polynomial), this maximum by symmetry occurs at $x=2$. The function has maximum value $8-4=4$. Observe then by the estimation lemma that $M =max_x in [0,4]((4x-x^2)^n)=4^n$, and the length of our path is $4$. We get:
$$ int _x=0^4 f_n dx leq M L = 4^n cdot 4 = 4^n+1 $$
Also see: ML-inequality for real integrals
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add a comment |
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Below is a suggestion for a very tedious route, but I wanted to post it anyway. This is probably not how the question is meant to be done.
Observe how by the binomial theorem we have that:
$$I=int _x=0^4:f_n(x),dx =int _x=0^4: (4x-x^2 )^n,dx =int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk (4x)^k cdot (-x^2)^n-k,dx$$
We make this look a bit prettier:
$$I=int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk 4^k cdot (-1)^n-kx^2n-k,dx$$
We may switch the order of integration and summation since this concerns polynomials (what I mean is that they are of finite order), we compute:
$$I=sum_k=0^n binomnk frac12n-k+1 4^k cdot (-1)^n-k4^2n-k+1-0$$
We collect some terms:
$$I=sum_k=0^n binomnk frac12n-k+1 4^2n+1 cdot (-1)^n-k$$
Using combinatorial formulae and some help from Wolfram Alpha, this can be exactly computed to be:
$$ I =fracsqrt pi cdot n! cdot 2^2n+1(n+frac12)!=fracsqrt pi cdot n!(n+frac12)! cdot 4^n + frac12$$
We then need to prove by induction that $fracsqrt pi cdot n!(n+frac12)! > sqrt4$ for positive $n$.
Yes. This is a lot of hard work. You could also just take the approach that was posted by Bernard and observe that $4x-x^2$ has a global maximum on the interval $[0,4]$ (the begin and endpoint are zeros of this polynomial), this maximum by symmetry occurs at $x=2$. The function has maximum value $8-4=4$. Observe then by the estimation lemma that $M =max_x in [0,4]((4x-x^2)^n)=4^n$, and the length of our path is $4$. We get:
$$ int _x=0^4 f_n dx leq M L = 4^n cdot 4 = 4^n+1 $$
Also see: ML-inequality for real integrals
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Below is a suggestion for a very tedious route, but I wanted to post it anyway. This is probably not how the question is meant to be done.
Observe how by the binomial theorem we have that:
$$I=int _x=0^4:f_n(x),dx =int _x=0^4: (4x-x^2 )^n,dx =int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk (4x)^k cdot (-x^2)^n-k,dx$$
We make this look a bit prettier:
$$I=int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk 4^k cdot (-1)^n-kx^2n-k,dx$$
We may switch the order of integration and summation since this concerns polynomials (what I mean is that they are of finite order), we compute:
$$I=sum_k=0^n binomnk frac12n-k+1 4^k cdot (-1)^n-k4^2n-k+1-0$$
We collect some terms:
$$I=sum_k=0^n binomnk frac12n-k+1 4^2n+1 cdot (-1)^n-k$$
Using combinatorial formulae and some help from Wolfram Alpha, this can be exactly computed to be:
$$ I =fracsqrt pi cdot n! cdot 2^2n+1(n+frac12)!=fracsqrt pi cdot n!(n+frac12)! cdot 4^n + frac12$$
We then need to prove by induction that $fracsqrt pi cdot n!(n+frac12)! > sqrt4$ for positive $n$.
Yes. This is a lot of hard work. You could also just take the approach that was posted by Bernard and observe that $4x-x^2$ has a global maximum on the interval $[0,4]$ (the begin and endpoint are zeros of this polynomial), this maximum by symmetry occurs at $x=2$. The function has maximum value $8-4=4$. Observe then by the estimation lemma that $M =max_x in [0,4]((4x-x^2)^n)=4^n$, and the length of our path is $4$. We get:
$$ int _x=0^4 f_n dx leq M L = 4^n cdot 4 = 4^n+1 $$
Also see: ML-inequality for real integrals
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Below is a suggestion for a very tedious route, but I wanted to post it anyway. This is probably not how the question is meant to be done.
Observe how by the binomial theorem we have that:
$$I=int _x=0^4:f_n(x),dx =int _x=0^4: (4x-x^2 )^n,dx =int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk (4x)^k cdot (-x^2)^n-k,dx$$
We make this look a bit prettier:
$$I=int _x=0^4: sum_k=0^n binomnk 4^k cdot (-1)^n-kx^2n-k,dx$$
We may switch the order of integration and summation since this concerns polynomials (what I mean is that they are of finite order), we compute:
$$I=sum_k=0^n binomnk frac12n-k+1 4^k cdot (-1)^n-k4^2n-k+1-0$$
We collect some terms:
$$I=sum_k=0^n binomnk frac12n-k+1 4^2n+1 cdot (-1)^n-k$$
Using combinatorial formulae and some help from Wolfram Alpha, this can be exactly computed to be:
$$ I =fracsqrt pi cdot n! cdot 2^2n+1(n+frac12)!=fracsqrt pi cdot n!(n+frac12)! cdot 4^n + frac12$$
We then need to prove by induction that $fracsqrt pi cdot n!(n+frac12)! > sqrt4$ for positive $n$.
Yes. This is a lot of hard work. You could also just take the approach that was posted by Bernard and observe that $4x-x^2$ has a global maximum on the interval $[0,4]$ (the begin and endpoint are zeros of this polynomial), this maximum by symmetry occurs at $x=2$. The function has maximum value $8-4=4$. Observe then by the estimation lemma that $M =max_x in [0,4]((4x-x^2)^n)=4^n$, and the length of our path is $4$. We get:
$$ int _x=0^4 f_n dx leq M L = 4^n cdot 4 = 4^n+1 $$
Also see: ML-inequality for real integrals
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