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Why am I not billed for EOB balance?
How do collection agencies work“Out of Pocket Maximum” and health insurance plan terminology & calculation?I'm getting gouged on prices for medical services when using my HSA plan. How to be billed fairly?Time limit for health-insurance to pay doctor bill and send EOBHow can I budget for medical expenses when the medical billing process is so haphazard?Asking for a discount I was promised after I paid a medical bill?EOB says I owe $4500 but provider says I do notHospital charged me for more than insurance claims that I oweDo I get reimbursed from my HSA for amount applied to the deductible or the actual amount paid?
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Why am I not always required to pay the outstanding amount listed on my Explanation of Benefits?
Documentation of how EOBs work state that I am responsible for any outstanding amount that the insurance does not pay. However, it also states that I do not have to pay unless and until the provider bills me, which they may or may not do. What determines how a provider chooses to make this decision?
As examples, I am often sent an EOB for dental work that shows that the dentist charged far more than they received, but they decide not to bill me. What happens do the outstanding balance? Do they just eat the cost? If so, why? Likewise, I often am billed for hospital visits, even routine things such as blood tests. Why are these billed when others aren't?
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Why am I not always required to pay the outstanding amount listed on my Explanation of Benefits?
Documentation of how EOBs work state that I am responsible for any outstanding amount that the insurance does not pay. However, it also states that I do not have to pay unless and until the provider bills me, which they may or may not do. What determines how a provider chooses to make this decision?
As examples, I am often sent an EOB for dental work that shows that the dentist charged far more than they received, but they decide not to bill me. What happens do the outstanding balance? Do they just eat the cost? If so, why? Likewise, I often am billed for hospital visits, even routine things such as blood tests. Why are these billed when others aren't?
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Here's a link from the Wikipedia article on[ EOB's](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanation_of_benefits), it's fairly complicated, there's a bit on 'allowed amount' - which is the amount the insurance company will pay for standard medical procedures. iridiumsuite.com/understanding-an-eob-and-your-bill
– JonMark Perry
7 hours ago
@JonMarkPerry both of these sources say that the patient is responsible for the balance to the provider. It doesn't answer my question, which is why the provider sometimes decides not to follow up on this and "throws out" this bill.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
1
@Gordon What you're describing sounds like haggling, i.e. starting the price high and then accepting lower later. I wasn't aware that there was a culture of such haggling in healthcare.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
Your questions are good. I tried to give a general quick answer. If you get insurance through work at a large company, there may be someone at the company whose job is to explain this to you. Also, most patients just pick up on these things as they go along. But I hope someone can give you a formal answer though frankly the subject matter is not medical science.
– Gordon
7 hours ago
@Gordon I'm pretty sure it meets the requirements of being On-Topic as defined on the help page, and there are suitable tags (e.g. "medical billing"), so I see no problem.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
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Why am I not always required to pay the outstanding amount listed on my Explanation of Benefits?
Documentation of how EOBs work state that I am responsible for any outstanding amount that the insurance does not pay. However, it also states that I do not have to pay unless and until the provider bills me, which they may or may not do. What determines how a provider chooses to make this decision?
As examples, I am often sent an EOB for dental work that shows that the dentist charged far more than they received, but they decide not to bill me. What happens do the outstanding balance? Do they just eat the cost? If so, why? Likewise, I often am billed for hospital visits, even routine things such as blood tests. Why are these billed when others aren't?
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Why am I not always required to pay the outstanding amount listed on my Explanation of Benefits?
Documentation of how EOBs work state that I am responsible for any outstanding amount that the insurance does not pay. However, it also states that I do not have to pay unless and until the provider bills me, which they may or may not do. What determines how a provider chooses to make this decision?
As examples, I am often sent an EOB for dental work that shows that the dentist charged far more than they received, but they decide not to bill me. What happens do the outstanding balance? Do they just eat the cost? If so, why? Likewise, I often am billed for hospital visits, even routine things such as blood tests. Why are these billed when others aren't?
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Here's a link from the Wikipedia article on[ EOB's](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanation_of_benefits), it's fairly complicated, there's a bit on 'allowed amount' - which is the amount the insurance company will pay for standard medical procedures. iridiumsuite.com/understanding-an-eob-and-your-bill
– JonMark Perry
7 hours ago
@JonMarkPerry both of these sources say that the patient is responsible for the balance to the provider. It doesn't answer my question, which is why the provider sometimes decides not to follow up on this and "throws out" this bill.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
1
@Gordon What you're describing sounds like haggling, i.e. starting the price high and then accepting lower later. I wasn't aware that there was a culture of such haggling in healthcare.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
Your questions are good. I tried to give a general quick answer. If you get insurance through work at a large company, there may be someone at the company whose job is to explain this to you. Also, most patients just pick up on these things as they go along. But I hope someone can give you a formal answer though frankly the subject matter is not medical science.
– Gordon
7 hours ago
@Gordon I'm pretty sure it meets the requirements of being On-Topic as defined on the help page, and there are suitable tags (e.g. "medical billing"), so I see no problem.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
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Here's a link from the Wikipedia article on[ EOB's](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanation_of_benefits), it's fairly complicated, there's a bit on 'allowed amount' - which is the amount the insurance company will pay for standard medical procedures. iridiumsuite.com/understanding-an-eob-and-your-bill
– JonMark Perry
7 hours ago
@JonMarkPerry both of these sources say that the patient is responsible for the balance to the provider. It doesn't answer my question, which is why the provider sometimes decides not to follow up on this and "throws out" this bill.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
1
@Gordon What you're describing sounds like haggling, i.e. starting the price high and then accepting lower later. I wasn't aware that there was a culture of such haggling in healthcare.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
Your questions are good. I tried to give a general quick answer. If you get insurance through work at a large company, there may be someone at the company whose job is to explain this to you. Also, most patients just pick up on these things as they go along. But I hope someone can give you a formal answer though frankly the subject matter is not medical science.
– Gordon
7 hours ago
@Gordon I'm pretty sure it meets the requirements of being On-Topic as defined on the help page, and there are suitable tags (e.g. "medical billing"), so I see no problem.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
Here's a link from the Wikipedia article on[ EOB's](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanation_of_benefits), it's fairly complicated, there's a bit on 'allowed amount' - which is the amount the insurance company will pay for standard medical procedures. iridiumsuite.com/understanding-an-eob-and-your-bill
– JonMark Perry
7 hours ago
Here's a link from the Wikipedia article on[ EOB's](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanation_of_benefits), it's fairly complicated, there's a bit on 'allowed amount' - which is the amount the insurance company will pay for standard medical procedures. iridiumsuite.com/understanding-an-eob-and-your-bill
– JonMark Perry
7 hours ago
@JonMarkPerry both of these sources say that the patient is responsible for the balance to the provider. It doesn't answer my question, which is why the provider sometimes decides not to follow up on this and "throws out" this bill.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
@JonMarkPerry both of these sources say that the patient is responsible for the balance to the provider. It doesn't answer my question, which is why the provider sometimes decides not to follow up on this and "throws out" this bill.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
1
1
@Gordon What you're describing sounds like haggling, i.e. starting the price high and then accepting lower later. I wasn't aware that there was a culture of such haggling in healthcare.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
@Gordon What you're describing sounds like haggling, i.e. starting the price high and then accepting lower later. I wasn't aware that there was a culture of such haggling in healthcare.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
Your questions are good. I tried to give a general quick answer. If you get insurance through work at a large company, there may be someone at the company whose job is to explain this to you. Also, most patients just pick up on these things as they go along. But I hope someone can give you a formal answer though frankly the subject matter is not medical science.
– Gordon
7 hours ago
Your questions are good. I tried to give a general quick answer. If you get insurance through work at a large company, there may be someone at the company whose job is to explain this to you. Also, most patients just pick up on these things as they go along. But I hope someone can give you a formal answer though frankly the subject matter is not medical science.
– Gordon
7 hours ago
@Gordon I'm pretty sure it meets the requirements of being On-Topic as defined on the help page, and there are suitable tags (e.g. "medical billing"), so I see no problem.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
@Gordon I'm pretty sure it meets the requirements of being On-Topic as defined on the help page, and there are suitable tags (e.g. "medical billing"), so I see no problem.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
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What determines how a provider chooses to make this decision?
The provider (e.g. Hospital) makes that decision. How they make that decision is up to the provider and what capabilities/appetite they have to mess with it.
Let's take a doctor's office as an example. You receive services from a doctor. That doctor then files a claim with your insurance company with the services provided and what they "charged" you. The insurance company then responds to the doctor letting them know what services are covered and what amount they pay for those services. (I don't know exactly how/when the doctor is paid by the insurance, but for this question I think it's irrelevant).
They also send you an "Explanation of Benefits" showing what the doctor claimed and what they do or don't cover (and how much). Any item that they don't fully cover (or cover at all) may be billed directly to you by the doctor. That's so you know what the doctor might bill you for over what's covered.
Often, the doctor will just accept the covered amount and not bill you for the rest. It's up to the doctor whether or not they want to deal with that (billing, collections, haggling, etc). They may be content just getting as much as they can from insurance and not dealing with what's left over. Or they might want to make sure you come back to them and don't leave a sour note by billing you over and above what you pay for the insurance.
So this is some kind of automatic implied haggling between the doctor and I? They assume they I might not come back to them, so they "lower the price" (to a remainder of $0) to make me happy as a customer, all without me asking them to?
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
1
@SouthpawHare: Sometimes it is to keep to an explicitly quoted cost to patient. For some procedures (e.g. dental work, elective procedures) the cost estimate is shared at the same time informed consent is obtained, and since the patient has actually been told "this is how much it will cost you (assuming you've been honest about your insurance being valid)" it tends to be honored.
– Ben Voigt
5 hours ago
@BenVoigt Sometimes, but not always? So this is actually an Honor System? It sounds like the provider could bill if they wanted to, and they might get away with it? Sounds very informal and messy for such a wide-spread system.
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
1
The medical billing/insurance system in the US is screwy. Sometimes the provider will bill high getting as much as they can from insurance, and not going after you for the rest. If they want to mess with it and come after you, they can but sometimes choose not to - meaning they're gotten what they need from insurance and aren't interested in gouging you.
– D Stanley
5 hours ago
1
@SouthpawHare: More like, most providers do not want to have a court test whether fine print that they didn't give you time to read that authorizes balance billing is more binding than verbal representations that this printout marked "estimate" is actually what it costs. And during informed consent most providers are more interested in making sure their patient understands possible medical complications than possible financial ones. Why explain how balance billing works and risk patients walking away from elective procedures, when 95% of them will actually pay exactly what is estimated?
– Ben Voigt
4 hours ago
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Most physicians and hospitals "accept" insurance in the sense of agreeing that they will accept reimbursement for a specific service at the rate specified by the insurance company (say $100), and not whatever their "standard" charge is (say $150) for that service (the one they put on their initial bill and which the uninsured are supposed to pay. Many companies say that they will reimburse the service provider for only 80% of the agreed-upon charge ($80) and the physician may then bill the patient for the remaining 20% ($20) of the agreed-upon charge if the physician/hospital so desires. The rest of the money (difference between "standard charge" of $150 and agreed-upon charge of $100) is written off by the provider as a cost of doing business. So why do the providers agree to such reduced payments from insurance companies? Well, insurance companies make the payment relatively quickly and $80 in hand (and the prospect of perhaps getting another $20 mañana) is better than $150 in the bush of which they might get some part after a lot of hassle and perhaps getting collection agencies involved, all of which requires a lot on expense.
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What determines how a provider chooses to make this decision?
The provider (e.g. Hospital) makes that decision. How they make that decision is up to the provider and what capabilities/appetite they have to mess with it.
Let's take a doctor's office as an example. You receive services from a doctor. That doctor then files a claim with your insurance company with the services provided and what they "charged" you. The insurance company then responds to the doctor letting them know what services are covered and what amount they pay for those services. (I don't know exactly how/when the doctor is paid by the insurance, but for this question I think it's irrelevant).
They also send you an "Explanation of Benefits" showing what the doctor claimed and what they do or don't cover (and how much). Any item that they don't fully cover (or cover at all) may be billed directly to you by the doctor. That's so you know what the doctor might bill you for over what's covered.
Often, the doctor will just accept the covered amount and not bill you for the rest. It's up to the doctor whether or not they want to deal with that (billing, collections, haggling, etc). They may be content just getting as much as they can from insurance and not dealing with what's left over. Or they might want to make sure you come back to them and don't leave a sour note by billing you over and above what you pay for the insurance.
So this is some kind of automatic implied haggling between the doctor and I? They assume they I might not come back to them, so they "lower the price" (to a remainder of $0) to make me happy as a customer, all without me asking them to?
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
1
@SouthpawHare: Sometimes it is to keep to an explicitly quoted cost to patient. For some procedures (e.g. dental work, elective procedures) the cost estimate is shared at the same time informed consent is obtained, and since the patient has actually been told "this is how much it will cost you (assuming you've been honest about your insurance being valid)" it tends to be honored.
– Ben Voigt
5 hours ago
@BenVoigt Sometimes, but not always? So this is actually an Honor System? It sounds like the provider could bill if they wanted to, and they might get away with it? Sounds very informal and messy for such a wide-spread system.
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
1
The medical billing/insurance system in the US is screwy. Sometimes the provider will bill high getting as much as they can from insurance, and not going after you for the rest. If they want to mess with it and come after you, they can but sometimes choose not to - meaning they're gotten what they need from insurance and aren't interested in gouging you.
– D Stanley
5 hours ago
1
@SouthpawHare: More like, most providers do not want to have a court test whether fine print that they didn't give you time to read that authorizes balance billing is more binding than verbal representations that this printout marked "estimate" is actually what it costs. And during informed consent most providers are more interested in making sure their patient understands possible medical complications than possible financial ones. Why explain how balance billing works and risk patients walking away from elective procedures, when 95% of them will actually pay exactly what is estimated?
– Ben Voigt
4 hours ago
add a comment |
What determines how a provider chooses to make this decision?
The provider (e.g. Hospital) makes that decision. How they make that decision is up to the provider and what capabilities/appetite they have to mess with it.
Let's take a doctor's office as an example. You receive services from a doctor. That doctor then files a claim with your insurance company with the services provided and what they "charged" you. The insurance company then responds to the doctor letting them know what services are covered and what amount they pay for those services. (I don't know exactly how/when the doctor is paid by the insurance, but for this question I think it's irrelevant).
They also send you an "Explanation of Benefits" showing what the doctor claimed and what they do or don't cover (and how much). Any item that they don't fully cover (or cover at all) may be billed directly to you by the doctor. That's so you know what the doctor might bill you for over what's covered.
Often, the doctor will just accept the covered amount and not bill you for the rest. It's up to the doctor whether or not they want to deal with that (billing, collections, haggling, etc). They may be content just getting as much as they can from insurance and not dealing with what's left over. Or they might want to make sure you come back to them and don't leave a sour note by billing you over and above what you pay for the insurance.
So this is some kind of automatic implied haggling between the doctor and I? They assume they I might not come back to them, so they "lower the price" (to a remainder of $0) to make me happy as a customer, all without me asking them to?
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
1
@SouthpawHare: Sometimes it is to keep to an explicitly quoted cost to patient. For some procedures (e.g. dental work, elective procedures) the cost estimate is shared at the same time informed consent is obtained, and since the patient has actually been told "this is how much it will cost you (assuming you've been honest about your insurance being valid)" it tends to be honored.
– Ben Voigt
5 hours ago
@BenVoigt Sometimes, but not always? So this is actually an Honor System? It sounds like the provider could bill if they wanted to, and they might get away with it? Sounds very informal and messy for such a wide-spread system.
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
1
The medical billing/insurance system in the US is screwy. Sometimes the provider will bill high getting as much as they can from insurance, and not going after you for the rest. If they want to mess with it and come after you, they can but sometimes choose not to - meaning they're gotten what they need from insurance and aren't interested in gouging you.
– D Stanley
5 hours ago
1
@SouthpawHare: More like, most providers do not want to have a court test whether fine print that they didn't give you time to read that authorizes balance billing is more binding than verbal representations that this printout marked "estimate" is actually what it costs. And during informed consent most providers are more interested in making sure their patient understands possible medical complications than possible financial ones. Why explain how balance billing works and risk patients walking away from elective procedures, when 95% of them will actually pay exactly what is estimated?
– Ben Voigt
4 hours ago
add a comment |
What determines how a provider chooses to make this decision?
The provider (e.g. Hospital) makes that decision. How they make that decision is up to the provider and what capabilities/appetite they have to mess with it.
Let's take a doctor's office as an example. You receive services from a doctor. That doctor then files a claim with your insurance company with the services provided and what they "charged" you. The insurance company then responds to the doctor letting them know what services are covered and what amount they pay for those services. (I don't know exactly how/when the doctor is paid by the insurance, but for this question I think it's irrelevant).
They also send you an "Explanation of Benefits" showing what the doctor claimed and what they do or don't cover (and how much). Any item that they don't fully cover (or cover at all) may be billed directly to you by the doctor. That's so you know what the doctor might bill you for over what's covered.
Often, the doctor will just accept the covered amount and not bill you for the rest. It's up to the doctor whether or not they want to deal with that (billing, collections, haggling, etc). They may be content just getting as much as they can from insurance and not dealing with what's left over. Or they might want to make sure you come back to them and don't leave a sour note by billing you over and above what you pay for the insurance.
What determines how a provider chooses to make this decision?
The provider (e.g. Hospital) makes that decision. How they make that decision is up to the provider and what capabilities/appetite they have to mess with it.
Let's take a doctor's office as an example. You receive services from a doctor. That doctor then files a claim with your insurance company with the services provided and what they "charged" you. The insurance company then responds to the doctor letting them know what services are covered and what amount they pay for those services. (I don't know exactly how/when the doctor is paid by the insurance, but for this question I think it's irrelevant).
They also send you an "Explanation of Benefits" showing what the doctor claimed and what they do or don't cover (and how much). Any item that they don't fully cover (or cover at all) may be billed directly to you by the doctor. That's so you know what the doctor might bill you for over what's covered.
Often, the doctor will just accept the covered amount and not bill you for the rest. It's up to the doctor whether or not they want to deal with that (billing, collections, haggling, etc). They may be content just getting as much as they can from insurance and not dealing with what's left over. Or they might want to make sure you come back to them and don't leave a sour note by billing you over and above what you pay for the insurance.
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So this is some kind of automatic implied haggling between the doctor and I? They assume they I might not come back to them, so they "lower the price" (to a remainder of $0) to make me happy as a customer, all without me asking them to?
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
1
@SouthpawHare: Sometimes it is to keep to an explicitly quoted cost to patient. For some procedures (e.g. dental work, elective procedures) the cost estimate is shared at the same time informed consent is obtained, and since the patient has actually been told "this is how much it will cost you (assuming you've been honest about your insurance being valid)" it tends to be honored.
– Ben Voigt
5 hours ago
@BenVoigt Sometimes, but not always? So this is actually an Honor System? It sounds like the provider could bill if they wanted to, and they might get away with it? Sounds very informal and messy for such a wide-spread system.
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
1
The medical billing/insurance system in the US is screwy. Sometimes the provider will bill high getting as much as they can from insurance, and not going after you for the rest. If they want to mess with it and come after you, they can but sometimes choose not to - meaning they're gotten what they need from insurance and aren't interested in gouging you.
– D Stanley
5 hours ago
1
@SouthpawHare: More like, most providers do not want to have a court test whether fine print that they didn't give you time to read that authorizes balance billing is more binding than verbal representations that this printout marked "estimate" is actually what it costs. And during informed consent most providers are more interested in making sure their patient understands possible medical complications than possible financial ones. Why explain how balance billing works and risk patients walking away from elective procedures, when 95% of them will actually pay exactly what is estimated?
– Ben Voigt
4 hours ago
add a comment |
So this is some kind of automatic implied haggling between the doctor and I? They assume they I might not come back to them, so they "lower the price" (to a remainder of $0) to make me happy as a customer, all without me asking them to?
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
1
@SouthpawHare: Sometimes it is to keep to an explicitly quoted cost to patient. For some procedures (e.g. dental work, elective procedures) the cost estimate is shared at the same time informed consent is obtained, and since the patient has actually been told "this is how much it will cost you (assuming you've been honest about your insurance being valid)" it tends to be honored.
– Ben Voigt
5 hours ago
@BenVoigt Sometimes, but not always? So this is actually an Honor System? It sounds like the provider could bill if they wanted to, and they might get away with it? Sounds very informal and messy for such a wide-spread system.
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
1
The medical billing/insurance system in the US is screwy. Sometimes the provider will bill high getting as much as they can from insurance, and not going after you for the rest. If they want to mess with it and come after you, they can but sometimes choose not to - meaning they're gotten what they need from insurance and aren't interested in gouging you.
– D Stanley
5 hours ago
1
@SouthpawHare: More like, most providers do not want to have a court test whether fine print that they didn't give you time to read that authorizes balance billing is more binding than verbal representations that this printout marked "estimate" is actually what it costs. And during informed consent most providers are more interested in making sure their patient understands possible medical complications than possible financial ones. Why explain how balance billing works and risk patients walking away from elective procedures, when 95% of them will actually pay exactly what is estimated?
– Ben Voigt
4 hours ago
So this is some kind of automatic implied haggling between the doctor and I? They assume they I might not come back to them, so they "lower the price" (to a remainder of $0) to make me happy as a customer, all without me asking them to?
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
So this is some kind of automatic implied haggling between the doctor and I? They assume they I might not come back to them, so they "lower the price" (to a remainder of $0) to make me happy as a customer, all without me asking them to?
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
1
1
@SouthpawHare: Sometimes it is to keep to an explicitly quoted cost to patient. For some procedures (e.g. dental work, elective procedures) the cost estimate is shared at the same time informed consent is obtained, and since the patient has actually been told "this is how much it will cost you (assuming you've been honest about your insurance being valid)" it tends to be honored.
– Ben Voigt
5 hours ago
@SouthpawHare: Sometimes it is to keep to an explicitly quoted cost to patient. For some procedures (e.g. dental work, elective procedures) the cost estimate is shared at the same time informed consent is obtained, and since the patient has actually been told "this is how much it will cost you (assuming you've been honest about your insurance being valid)" it tends to be honored.
– Ben Voigt
5 hours ago
@BenVoigt Sometimes, but not always? So this is actually an Honor System? It sounds like the provider could bill if they wanted to, and they might get away with it? Sounds very informal and messy for such a wide-spread system.
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
@BenVoigt Sometimes, but not always? So this is actually an Honor System? It sounds like the provider could bill if they wanted to, and they might get away with it? Sounds very informal and messy for such a wide-spread system.
– Southpaw Hare
5 hours ago
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The medical billing/insurance system in the US is screwy. Sometimes the provider will bill high getting as much as they can from insurance, and not going after you for the rest. If they want to mess with it and come after you, they can but sometimes choose not to - meaning they're gotten what they need from insurance and aren't interested in gouging you.
– D Stanley
5 hours ago
The medical billing/insurance system in the US is screwy. Sometimes the provider will bill high getting as much as they can from insurance, and not going after you for the rest. If they want to mess with it and come after you, they can but sometimes choose not to - meaning they're gotten what they need from insurance and aren't interested in gouging you.
– D Stanley
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@SouthpawHare: More like, most providers do not want to have a court test whether fine print that they didn't give you time to read that authorizes balance billing is more binding than verbal representations that this printout marked "estimate" is actually what it costs. And during informed consent most providers are more interested in making sure their patient understands possible medical complications than possible financial ones. Why explain how balance billing works and risk patients walking away from elective procedures, when 95% of them will actually pay exactly what is estimated?
– Ben Voigt
4 hours ago
@SouthpawHare: More like, most providers do not want to have a court test whether fine print that they didn't give you time to read that authorizes balance billing is more binding than verbal representations that this printout marked "estimate" is actually what it costs. And during informed consent most providers are more interested in making sure their patient understands possible medical complications than possible financial ones. Why explain how balance billing works and risk patients walking away from elective procedures, when 95% of them will actually pay exactly what is estimated?
– Ben Voigt
4 hours ago
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Most physicians and hospitals "accept" insurance in the sense of agreeing that they will accept reimbursement for a specific service at the rate specified by the insurance company (say $100), and not whatever their "standard" charge is (say $150) for that service (the one they put on their initial bill and which the uninsured are supposed to pay. Many companies say that they will reimburse the service provider for only 80% of the agreed-upon charge ($80) and the physician may then bill the patient for the remaining 20% ($20) of the agreed-upon charge if the physician/hospital so desires. The rest of the money (difference between "standard charge" of $150 and agreed-upon charge of $100) is written off by the provider as a cost of doing business. So why do the providers agree to such reduced payments from insurance companies? Well, insurance companies make the payment relatively quickly and $80 in hand (and the prospect of perhaps getting another $20 mañana) is better than $150 in the bush of which they might get some part after a lot of hassle and perhaps getting collection agencies involved, all of which requires a lot on expense.
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Most physicians and hospitals "accept" insurance in the sense of agreeing that they will accept reimbursement for a specific service at the rate specified by the insurance company (say $100), and not whatever their "standard" charge is (say $150) for that service (the one they put on their initial bill and which the uninsured are supposed to pay. Many companies say that they will reimburse the service provider for only 80% of the agreed-upon charge ($80) and the physician may then bill the patient for the remaining 20% ($20) of the agreed-upon charge if the physician/hospital so desires. The rest of the money (difference between "standard charge" of $150 and agreed-upon charge of $100) is written off by the provider as a cost of doing business. So why do the providers agree to such reduced payments from insurance companies? Well, insurance companies make the payment relatively quickly and $80 in hand (and the prospect of perhaps getting another $20 mañana) is better than $150 in the bush of which they might get some part after a lot of hassle and perhaps getting collection agencies involved, all of which requires a lot on expense.
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Most physicians and hospitals "accept" insurance in the sense of agreeing that they will accept reimbursement for a specific service at the rate specified by the insurance company (say $100), and not whatever their "standard" charge is (say $150) for that service (the one they put on their initial bill and which the uninsured are supposed to pay. Many companies say that they will reimburse the service provider for only 80% of the agreed-upon charge ($80) and the physician may then bill the patient for the remaining 20% ($20) of the agreed-upon charge if the physician/hospital so desires. The rest of the money (difference between "standard charge" of $150 and agreed-upon charge of $100) is written off by the provider as a cost of doing business. So why do the providers agree to such reduced payments from insurance companies? Well, insurance companies make the payment relatively quickly and $80 in hand (and the prospect of perhaps getting another $20 mañana) is better than $150 in the bush of which they might get some part after a lot of hassle and perhaps getting collection agencies involved, all of which requires a lot on expense.
Most physicians and hospitals "accept" insurance in the sense of agreeing that they will accept reimbursement for a specific service at the rate specified by the insurance company (say $100), and not whatever their "standard" charge is (say $150) for that service (the one they put on their initial bill and which the uninsured are supposed to pay. Many companies say that they will reimburse the service provider for only 80% of the agreed-upon charge ($80) and the physician may then bill the patient for the remaining 20% ($20) of the agreed-upon charge if the physician/hospital so desires. The rest of the money (difference between "standard charge" of $150 and agreed-upon charge of $100) is written off by the provider as a cost of doing business. So why do the providers agree to such reduced payments from insurance companies? Well, insurance companies make the payment relatively quickly and $80 in hand (and the prospect of perhaps getting another $20 mañana) is better than $150 in the bush of which they might get some part after a lot of hassle and perhaps getting collection agencies involved, all of which requires a lot on expense.
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Here's a link from the Wikipedia article on[ EOB's](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explanation_of_benefits), it's fairly complicated, there's a bit on 'allowed amount' - which is the amount the insurance company will pay for standard medical procedures. iridiumsuite.com/understanding-an-eob-and-your-bill
– JonMark Perry
7 hours ago
@JonMarkPerry both of these sources say that the patient is responsible for the balance to the provider. It doesn't answer my question, which is why the provider sometimes decides not to follow up on this and "throws out" this bill.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
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@Gordon What you're describing sounds like haggling, i.e. starting the price high and then accepting lower later. I wasn't aware that there was a culture of such haggling in healthcare.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago
Your questions are good. I tried to give a general quick answer. If you get insurance through work at a large company, there may be someone at the company whose job is to explain this to you. Also, most patients just pick up on these things as they go along. But I hope someone can give you a formal answer though frankly the subject matter is not medical science.
– Gordon
7 hours ago
@Gordon I'm pretty sure it meets the requirements of being On-Topic as defined on the help page, and there are suitable tags (e.g. "medical billing"), so I see no problem.
– Southpaw Hare
7 hours ago