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I’ve been friends with this guy for over a year and currently am testing the idea of dating him. He expressed interest in me a long time ago but I didn’t feel any physical attraction towards him at that time. We remained friends and continued to share a social circle.



Recently I found myself grow to like him more. He makes great conversations and takes good care of his friends. He also is very capable at work, driven and self disciplined. All positive traits I’m looking for in a relationship.



The problem is that it’s difficult to get him to accept a "no" answer to his ideas. I would have to explicitly reject his invite to a group event (not a date) both in private and in front of our common friends for at least 7, 8 times until he puts a stop to asking. I watched the same thing happen to our common friend but she said she’s okay to his behavior. Well I am not. I feel frustrated and disrespected.



I shared with him my concerns and he really took it well. He took some time to reflect and came back with a sincere and thoughtful apology for not seeing how his behaviors had impacted me. He also expressed disappointments that I would not give us a try in the past year. Overall it was a reflective and transparent conversation. I felt I knew him better and my feelings for him grew a bit stronger since then. However, his behavioral change is not really matching up. He is now visibly more cautious with his words with me but in action would still text me when I asked for some time to myself to attend to a stressful life situation.



That said, he’s still on my mind a lot and I’m thinking about giving it a try some time in the future. He is still interested in me and is single currently.



I found myself deeply worried about his boundary pushing behaviors though and whether I will be able to deal with it. Also, I’m not sure if there are deeper issues going on that would come up later when we get closer.



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    Are you sure he understood that "I need time for myself." implied "Don't text me?"? He could've understood it as "Don't expect me to come to any event.". If not, just have another talk with him about how you feel.

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    Hi Storm. When you say "no" to him, how do you say it? I mean, whenever you say no, are you giving an explanation or leaving an open door for him to insist? Can you give us an example of your conversations?

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I’ve been friends with this guy for over a year and currently am testing the idea of dating him. He expressed interest in me a long time ago but I didn’t feel any physical attraction towards him at that time. We remained friends and continued to share a social circle.



Recently I found myself grow to like him more. He makes great conversations and takes good care of his friends. He also is very capable at work, driven and self disciplined. All positive traits I’m looking for in a relationship.



The problem is that it’s difficult to get him to accept a "no" answer to his ideas. I would have to explicitly reject his invite to a group event (not a date) both in private and in front of our common friends for at least 7, 8 times until he puts a stop to asking. I watched the same thing happen to our common friend but she said she’s okay to his behavior. Well I am not. I feel frustrated and disrespected.



I shared with him my concerns and he really took it well. He took some time to reflect and came back with a sincere and thoughtful apology for not seeing how his behaviors had impacted me. He also expressed disappointments that I would not give us a try in the past year. Overall it was a reflective and transparent conversation. I felt I knew him better and my feelings for him grew a bit stronger since then. However, his behavioral change is not really matching up. He is now visibly more cautious with his words with me but in action would still text me when I asked for some time to myself to attend to a stressful life situation.



That said, he’s still on my mind a lot and I’m thinking about giving it a try some time in the future. He is still interested in me and is single currently.



I found myself deeply worried about his boundary pushing behaviors though and whether I will be able to deal with it. Also, I’m not sure if there are deeper issues going on that would come up later when we get closer.



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    Are you sure he understood that "I need time for myself." implied "Don't text me?"? He could've understood it as "Don't expect me to come to any event.". If not, just have another talk with him about how you feel.

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I’ve been friends with this guy for over a year and currently am testing the idea of dating him. He expressed interest in me a long time ago but I didn’t feel any physical attraction towards him at that time. We remained friends and continued to share a social circle.



Recently I found myself grow to like him more. He makes great conversations and takes good care of his friends. He also is very capable at work, driven and self disciplined. All positive traits I’m looking for in a relationship.



The problem is that it’s difficult to get him to accept a "no" answer to his ideas. I would have to explicitly reject his invite to a group event (not a date) both in private and in front of our common friends for at least 7, 8 times until he puts a stop to asking. I watched the same thing happen to our common friend but she said she’s okay to his behavior. Well I am not. I feel frustrated and disrespected.



I shared with him my concerns and he really took it well. He took some time to reflect and came back with a sincere and thoughtful apology for not seeing how his behaviors had impacted me. He also expressed disappointments that I would not give us a try in the past year. Overall it was a reflective and transparent conversation. I felt I knew him better and my feelings for him grew a bit stronger since then. However, his behavioral change is not really matching up. He is now visibly more cautious with his words with me but in action would still text me when I asked for some time to myself to attend to a stressful life situation.



That said, he’s still on my mind a lot and I’m thinking about giving it a try some time in the future. He is still interested in me and is single currently.



I found myself deeply worried about his boundary pushing behaviors though and whether I will be able to deal with it. Also, I’m not sure if there are deeper issues going on that would come up later when we get closer.



Question: How should I preempt the potential conflicts and communicate with him effectively so that he could change his behaviors?










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I’ve been friends with this guy for over a year and currently am testing the idea of dating him. He expressed interest in me a long time ago but I didn’t feel any physical attraction towards him at that time. We remained friends and continued to share a social circle.



Recently I found myself grow to like him more. He makes great conversations and takes good care of his friends. He also is very capable at work, driven and self disciplined. All positive traits I’m looking for in a relationship.



The problem is that it’s difficult to get him to accept a "no" answer to his ideas. I would have to explicitly reject his invite to a group event (not a date) both in private and in front of our common friends for at least 7, 8 times until he puts a stop to asking. I watched the same thing happen to our common friend but she said she’s okay to his behavior. Well I am not. I feel frustrated and disrespected.



I shared with him my concerns and he really took it well. He took some time to reflect and came back with a sincere and thoughtful apology for not seeing how his behaviors had impacted me. He also expressed disappointments that I would not give us a try in the past year. Overall it was a reflective and transparent conversation. I felt I knew him better and my feelings for him grew a bit stronger since then. However, his behavioral change is not really matching up. He is now visibly more cautious with his words with me but in action would still text me when I asked for some time to myself to attend to a stressful life situation.



That said, he’s still on my mind a lot and I’m thinking about giving it a try some time in the future. He is still interested in me and is single currently.



I found myself deeply worried about his boundary pushing behaviors though and whether I will be able to deal with it. Also, I’m not sure if there are deeper issues going on that would come up later when we get closer.



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    Are you sure he understood that "I need time for myself." implied "Don't text me?"? He could've understood it as "Don't expect me to come to any event.". If not, just have another talk with him about how you feel.

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    Hi Storm. When you say "no" to him, how do you say it? I mean, whenever you say no, are you giving an explanation or leaving an open door for him to insist? Can you give us an example of your conversations?

    – Santiago
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    Are you sure he understood that "I need time for myself." implied "Don't text me?"? He could've understood it as "Don't expect me to come to any event.". If not, just have another talk with him about how you feel.

    – xavierm02
    14 hours ago






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    Hi Storm. When you say "no" to him, how do you say it? I mean, whenever you say no, are you giving an explanation or leaving an open door for him to insist? Can you give us an example of your conversations?

    – Santiago
    9 hours ago







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Are you sure he understood that "I need time for myself." implied "Don't text me?"? He could've understood it as "Don't expect me to come to any event.". If not, just have another talk with him about how you feel.

– xavierm02
14 hours ago





Are you sure he understood that "I need time for myself." implied "Don't text me?"? He could've understood it as "Don't expect me to come to any event.". If not, just have another talk with him about how you feel.

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Hi Storm. When you say "no" to him, how do you say it? I mean, whenever you say no, are you giving an explanation or leaving an open door for him to insist? Can you give us an example of your conversations?

– Santiago
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Hi Storm. When you say "no" to him, how do you say it? I mean, whenever you say no, are you giving an explanation or leaving an open door for him to insist? Can you give us an example of your conversations?

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I routinely deal with people who are pushy and are constantly testing boundaries. Like you, I find this behavior annoying.



Also like you it seems, I don't really mind this behavior in social settings, it's just who who these people are and having excellent interpersonal skills myself, have no problem dealing with them.



Here's where I think things are going off the rails.




However, his behavioral change is not really matching up...




to your expectations.



You should first come to terms with these expectations and decide if you can successfully negotiate this internally and accept his behavior, otherwise, it will be a constant source of conflict.



There is a somewhat common saying that goes (please substitute your appropriate gender roles) "A woman chooses a man thinking she can change him, a man chooses a woman hoping she never does." This is meant convey the futility change expectations. Which leads to your question...




How should I preempt the potential conflicts and communicate with him effectively so that he could change his behaviors?




You can't/should't/or it's very very difficult. (This is a frame challenge but, it's based on OP's description, please read carefully.)



You've already spoken to him about this with some noticeable results, yet you're still not happy with these results. You describe he's "visibly more cautious with his words" which implies he's using conscious effort to accommodate you.



What this means is, you can preempt potential conflicts by merely talking to him, but the risk is you both will find this effort unsustainable in the mid to long term. Meaning, you will have to continually express your concerns and he will have to continually work to accommodate them. This can become tiresome and a distraction to the relationship.






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I used to have a friend who wanted to date me, but I wasn't interested. He made a number of attempts to get me to sleep with him, especially when I was alone at his house, drunk, and emotionally vulnerable. I finally said to him, "I've already told you I'm not interested. If you value my friendship, you'll stop asking." His answer was, "Well, I want to be with you, so I'm going to keep pursuing you." That was when I decided our friendship was over.



Your guy is a better manipulator because he knows how to say the right things, but the proof is in the behavior. If he had really heard you and taken in what you said, you would see a change in his behavior, and you haven't. That means that, fundamentally, he doesn't respect you or care about your feelings. I especially don't like the subtle attempt to blame you for his attitude because he was disappointed that you haven't started dating him yet.



The problem isn't that you haven't "communicate(d) with him effectively so that he could change his behaviors." The problem is that he enjoys pushing boundaries and he will continue to do so as long as it is tolerated. I think you're better off without this guy in your life.






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  • I'm not convinced it's acting this way because he is willfully trying to manipulate her. He might think he is taking in what Storm said, or have initially tried to change his ways but then reverted to what he uses to do. In any case, it would be difficult that he changed his ways, and she is indeed better off without this guy.

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    If someone says no to you, you either respect it or you don't. If you respect it, you don't ask again. If this guy is "used to" asking over and over until he gets the answer he wants, that just means that he doesn't respect anyone when they say no. I don't buy that this is innocent or forgetful behavior. My experience with people like this (both men and women) is that they will go as far as they can get away with and then claim innocence when they're called out.

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  • But how can you draw the conclusion of your final paragraph without any details about how OP communicated the lack of interest/need for space? Not saying you're wrong on the diagnosis of the guy - but seems to me sort of leaping to that conclusion. "He is now visibly more cautious with his words with me but in action would still text me when I asked for some time to myself to attend to a stressful life situation." That actually IS emblematic of a change in behavior in response to what OP communicated. Just not a change in every behavior OP desired. That could be a communication misfire

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  • "Visibly more cautious with his words" says to me that he is making a big show of how hard he's trying while "still text me when I asked for some time to myself" indicates that he's still pushing past OP's boundaries, which is the behavior she wanted changed. She didn't ask him to choose his words more carefully, she asked him to stop pushing for things after she had said no. I suppose it's possible that there is a communication misfire and it may be worth one more conversation to make sure he really understands which behavior she finds troubling. After that, if nothing changes, cut him loose

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  • @PinkElephantsOnParade "He took some time to reflect and came back with a sincere and thoughtful apology for not seeing how his behaviors had impacted me. He also expressed disappointments that I would not give us a try in the past year." ... basically, I'm sorry that I keep nagging you for things that I want, and oh by the way, please won't you go out with me even though you have said no repeatedly!

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It all depends on context of his action and context of your expectations. Let me explain.



  • If this was one of your non-romantic friends who did this, would you find it as annoying?

Consider what his question is and whether you are saying "no" because you don't want to do it, don't want to do it with him, or don't want to do it because it's him asking. I'm not saying you are wrong for saying "no" in any of those situations, just be aware of your real reasoning of your answer. He may have a different idea of why you are answering "no" and trying to get around your initial answer, thinking you'll decide it's best and "go along" with it. Whether it's actually better is entirely dependent on the situation.



Example:




Him: "Let's go to a snake farm."

You: "AAACK! No!"

Him: "But I love snakes."

You: "No!"

Him: "Don't you want to get over your fear of snakes?"

You: "Yes....."

Him: "Then let's go to a snake farm."

You: "No!"




This is pretty clear. You have a clear "knee jerk" reaction to snakes and don't want to go. You still what to get over your fear of snakes, but that's just too much right now. It may serve you better in the future to know what snakes are dangerous, which are helpful, and how to act when/if you meet one in the wild. But you're just not ready for it right then. Maybe you don't want to give him the satisfaction of seeing you freak out and constantly squirm at being around snakes.



To be clear, I'm not saying all interactions like this are clear or healthy, let alone have a benefit of learning something. But you need to figure out if the request follows this format or not.



This is crucial to figuring out if this is him being manipulative. Even if he is manipulating you, you have to figure out if it's because he wants to help you or help himself. Constantly helping himself is not good for you. Constantly helping you can be annoying, but it's coming from a better mindset.



  • Is he asking in a way that he believes will be taken as humorous?

To exaggerate a question is sometimes taken as humorous. Let me reuse the last example.




Him: "Let's go to a snake farm."

You: "AAACK! No!"

Him: "Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please?" Puppy eyes Protruding lower lip




Done occasionally, this is generally considered fine. However, over using it constantly is definitely a problem.



  • Do you do this to him and how often?

Example:




You: "Let's go to the club to dance."
Him: "I'm tired, so no."

You: "Aw, com'on, we don't go anywhere anymore."
Him: "No."

You: "But I want to go dancing with you!"

Him: "No."




I'm not saying that him asking you is more, less, or equally annoying or unfair, I just want you to think about how he sees you and if he's just trying to act the same way to you as you do to him. I'm not saying this is your fault, I'm just wondering if maybe he thinks it's ok for him to do it.



However he is asking, the fact that you talked to him about it is a good first step. You say he is responding to your conversation, which is also a good first step. It takes time to change habits. I'm not going to make excuses for his actions, but he may have had reasons for thinking re-asking was ok and now needs time to unlearn this idea.



I had a co-worker that literally used the word "literally" in every sentence, literally every day for literally every thing he talked about, and sometimes literally multiple times in the same sentence, even when it literally didn't make sense to literally use it. Literally. Yes, what I just explained and demonstrated was how he talked for several weeks, until someone mentioned it to him and how annoying it was. Especially when he meant "figuratively". It took him a while to change, but he did.



Give him a chance to change permanently. If he doesn't then you have a problem. Even if he does permanently change and he still does it on occasion, try not to be mad about it. Just remind him you don't like it.



Also, is this really a "deal breaker"? Everyone has their faults. You just need to figure out if you can live with this one or not. You also need to figure out if it's manipulative and if that is actually harmful to you. This is your preference and no answer is a wrong answer, unless you can't live with the answer.



"I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess." - Red Green



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    You sound extremely cautious when you say things like




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    He also is very capable at work, driven and self disciplined.




    More like assessing an employee than dreaming about a romantic relationship.



    Are you sure this is the right basis for a date?






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    • Some of the best aspects of a good employee make for a good companion. Being capable at work means he's unlikely to get fired for his actions. Being driven can mean he knows what he wants and is willing to work towards it. Being self disciplined means he might not philander, spend money foolishly, or that he can pay attention to his date, rather than his phone. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but rather I'm saying you're not 100% right.

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    • It just struck me that Storm writes "I’m not sure if there are deeper issues going on" and that he is "very capable at work, driven and self disciplined" rather than something like "he's smart, funny, good-looking, and a brilliant dancer". But point taken. And yes, it may be mean of me to seed even more doubt. :-(

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    I routinely deal with people who are pushy and are constantly testing boundaries. Like you, I find this behavior annoying.



    Also like you it seems, I don't really mind this behavior in social settings, it's just who who these people are and having excellent interpersonal skills myself, have no problem dealing with them.



    Here's where I think things are going off the rails.




    However, his behavioral change is not really matching up...




    to your expectations.



    You should first come to terms with these expectations and decide if you can successfully negotiate this internally and accept his behavior, otherwise, it will be a constant source of conflict.



    There is a somewhat common saying that goes (please substitute your appropriate gender roles) "A woman chooses a man thinking she can change him, a man chooses a woman hoping she never does." This is meant convey the futility change expectations. Which leads to your question...




    How should I preempt the potential conflicts and communicate with him effectively so that he could change his behaviors?




    You can't/should't/or it's very very difficult. (This is a frame challenge but, it's based on OP's description, please read carefully.)



    You've already spoken to him about this with some noticeable results, yet you're still not happy with these results. You describe he's "visibly more cautious with his words" which implies he's using conscious effort to accommodate you.



    What this means is, you can preempt potential conflicts by merely talking to him, but the risk is you both will find this effort unsustainable in the mid to long term. Meaning, you will have to continually express your concerns and he will have to continually work to accommodate them. This can become tiresome and a distraction to the relationship.






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    I routinely deal with people who are pushy and are constantly testing boundaries. Like you, I find this behavior annoying.



    Also like you it seems, I don't really mind this behavior in social settings, it's just who who these people are and having excellent interpersonal skills myself, have no problem dealing with them.



    Here's where I think things are going off the rails.




    However, his behavioral change is not really matching up...




    to your expectations.



    You should first come to terms with these expectations and decide if you can successfully negotiate this internally and accept his behavior, otherwise, it will be a constant source of conflict.



    There is a somewhat common saying that goes (please substitute your appropriate gender roles) "A woman chooses a man thinking she can change him, a man chooses a woman hoping she never does." This is meant convey the futility change expectations. Which leads to your question...




    How should I preempt the potential conflicts and communicate with him effectively so that he could change his behaviors?




    You can't/should't/or it's very very difficult. (This is a frame challenge but, it's based on OP's description, please read carefully.)



    You've already spoken to him about this with some noticeable results, yet you're still not happy with these results. You describe he's "visibly more cautious with his words" which implies he's using conscious effort to accommodate you.



    What this means is, you can preempt potential conflicts by merely talking to him, but the risk is you both will find this effort unsustainable in the mid to long term. Meaning, you will have to continually express your concerns and he will have to continually work to accommodate them. This can become tiresome and a distraction to the relationship.






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    I routinely deal with people who are pushy and are constantly testing boundaries. Like you, I find this behavior annoying.



    Also like you it seems, I don't really mind this behavior in social settings, it's just who who these people are and having excellent interpersonal skills myself, have no problem dealing with them.



    Here's where I think things are going off the rails.




    However, his behavioral change is not really matching up...




    to your expectations.



    You should first come to terms with these expectations and decide if you can successfully negotiate this internally and accept his behavior, otherwise, it will be a constant source of conflict.



    There is a somewhat common saying that goes (please substitute your appropriate gender roles) "A woman chooses a man thinking she can change him, a man chooses a woman hoping she never does." This is meant convey the futility change expectations. Which leads to your question...




    How should I preempt the potential conflicts and communicate with him effectively so that he could change his behaviors?




    You can't/should't/or it's very very difficult. (This is a frame challenge but, it's based on OP's description, please read carefully.)



    You've already spoken to him about this with some noticeable results, yet you're still not happy with these results. You describe he's "visibly more cautious with his words" which implies he's using conscious effort to accommodate you.



    What this means is, you can preempt potential conflicts by merely talking to him, but the risk is you both will find this effort unsustainable in the mid to long term. Meaning, you will have to continually express your concerns and he will have to continually work to accommodate them. This can become tiresome and a distraction to the relationship.






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    I routinely deal with people who are pushy and are constantly testing boundaries. Like you, I find this behavior annoying.



    Also like you it seems, I don't really mind this behavior in social settings, it's just who who these people are and having excellent interpersonal skills myself, have no problem dealing with them.



    Here's where I think things are going off the rails.




    However, his behavioral change is not really matching up...




    to your expectations.



    You should first come to terms with these expectations and decide if you can successfully negotiate this internally and accept his behavior, otherwise, it will be a constant source of conflict.



    There is a somewhat common saying that goes (please substitute your appropriate gender roles) "A woman chooses a man thinking she can change him, a man chooses a woman hoping she never does." This is meant convey the futility change expectations. Which leads to your question...




    How should I preempt the potential conflicts and communicate with him effectively so that he could change his behaviors?




    You can't/should't/or it's very very difficult. (This is a frame challenge but, it's based on OP's description, please read carefully.)



    You've already spoken to him about this with some noticeable results, yet you're still not happy with these results. You describe he's "visibly more cautious with his words" which implies he's using conscious effort to accommodate you.



    What this means is, you can preempt potential conflicts by merely talking to him, but the risk is you both will find this effort unsustainable in the mid to long term. Meaning, you will have to continually express your concerns and he will have to continually work to accommodate them. This can become tiresome and a distraction to the relationship.







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      As this is a frame challenge, can you add to your post what typically happens, in your experience, when you have tried to get someone to change their behaviors?

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      As this is a frame challenge, can you add to your post what typically happens, in your experience, when you have tried to get someone to change their behaviors?

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    As this is a frame challenge, can you add to your post what typically happens, in your experience, when you have tried to get someone to change their behaviors?

    – Em C
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    As this is a frame challenge, can you add to your post what typically happens, in your experience, when you have tried to get someone to change their behaviors?

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    I used to have a friend who wanted to date me, but I wasn't interested. He made a number of attempts to get me to sleep with him, especially when I was alone at his house, drunk, and emotionally vulnerable. I finally said to him, "I've already told you I'm not interested. If you value my friendship, you'll stop asking." His answer was, "Well, I want to be with you, so I'm going to keep pursuing you." That was when I decided our friendship was over.



    Your guy is a better manipulator because he knows how to say the right things, but the proof is in the behavior. If he had really heard you and taken in what you said, you would see a change in his behavior, and you haven't. That means that, fundamentally, he doesn't respect you or care about your feelings. I especially don't like the subtle attempt to blame you for his attitude because he was disappointed that you haven't started dating him yet.



    The problem isn't that you haven't "communicate(d) with him effectively so that he could change his behaviors." The problem is that he enjoys pushing boundaries and he will continue to do so as long as it is tolerated. I think you're better off without this guy in your life.






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    • I'm not convinced it's acting this way because he is willfully trying to manipulate her. He might think he is taking in what Storm said, or have initially tried to change his ways but then reverted to what he uses to do. In any case, it would be difficult that he changed his ways, and she is indeed better off without this guy.

      – Ángel
      6 hours ago






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      If someone says no to you, you either respect it or you don't. If you respect it, you don't ask again. If this guy is "used to" asking over and over until he gets the answer he wants, that just means that he doesn't respect anyone when they say no. I don't buy that this is innocent or forgetful behavior. My experience with people like this (both men and women) is that they will go as far as they can get away with and then claim innocence when they're called out.

      – IAntoniazzi
      6 hours ago











    • But how can you draw the conclusion of your final paragraph without any details about how OP communicated the lack of interest/need for space? Not saying you're wrong on the diagnosis of the guy - but seems to me sort of leaping to that conclusion. "He is now visibly more cautious with his words with me but in action would still text me when I asked for some time to myself to attend to a stressful life situation." That actually IS emblematic of a change in behavior in response to what OP communicated. Just not a change in every behavior OP desired. That could be a communication misfire

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      6 hours ago












    • "Visibly more cautious with his words" says to me that he is making a big show of how hard he's trying while "still text me when I asked for some time to myself" indicates that he's still pushing past OP's boundaries, which is the behavior she wanted changed. She didn't ask him to choose his words more carefully, she asked him to stop pushing for things after she had said no. I suppose it's possible that there is a communication misfire and it may be worth one more conversation to make sure he really understands which behavior she finds troubling. After that, if nothing changes, cut him loose

      – IAntoniazzi
      5 hours ago











    • @PinkElephantsOnParade "He took some time to reflect and came back with a sincere and thoughtful apology for not seeing how his behaviors had impacted me. He also expressed disappointments that I would not give us a try in the past year." ... basically, I'm sorry that I keep nagging you for things that I want, and oh by the way, please won't you go out with me even though you have said no repeatedly!

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    I used to have a friend who wanted to date me, but I wasn't interested. He made a number of attempts to get me to sleep with him, especially when I was alone at his house, drunk, and emotionally vulnerable. I finally said to him, "I've already told you I'm not interested. If you value my friendship, you'll stop asking." His answer was, "Well, I want to be with you, so I'm going to keep pursuing you." That was when I decided our friendship was over.



    Your guy is a better manipulator because he knows how to say the right things, but the proof is in the behavior. If he had really heard you and taken in what you said, you would see a change in his behavior, and you haven't. That means that, fundamentally, he doesn't respect you or care about your feelings. I especially don't like the subtle attempt to blame you for his attitude because he was disappointed that you haven't started dating him yet.



    The problem isn't that you haven't "communicate(d) with him effectively so that he could change his behaviors." The problem is that he enjoys pushing boundaries and he will continue to do so as long as it is tolerated. I think you're better off without this guy in your life.






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    • I'm not convinced it's acting this way because he is willfully trying to manipulate her. He might think he is taking in what Storm said, or have initially tried to change his ways but then reverted to what he uses to do. In any case, it would be difficult that he changed his ways, and she is indeed better off without this guy.

      – Ángel
      6 hours ago






    • 1





      If someone says no to you, you either respect it or you don't. If you respect it, you don't ask again. If this guy is "used to" asking over and over until he gets the answer he wants, that just means that he doesn't respect anyone when they say no. I don't buy that this is innocent or forgetful behavior. My experience with people like this (both men and women) is that they will go as far as they can get away with and then claim innocence when they're called out.

      – IAntoniazzi
      6 hours ago











    • But how can you draw the conclusion of your final paragraph without any details about how OP communicated the lack of interest/need for space? Not saying you're wrong on the diagnosis of the guy - but seems to me sort of leaping to that conclusion. "He is now visibly more cautious with his words with me but in action would still text me when I asked for some time to myself to attend to a stressful life situation." That actually IS emblematic of a change in behavior in response to what OP communicated. Just not a change in every behavior OP desired. That could be a communication misfire

      – PinkElephantsOnParade
      6 hours ago












    • "Visibly more cautious with his words" says to me that he is making a big show of how hard he's trying while "still text me when I asked for some time to myself" indicates that he's still pushing past OP's boundaries, which is the behavior she wanted changed. She didn't ask him to choose his words more carefully, she asked him to stop pushing for things after she had said no. I suppose it's possible that there is a communication misfire and it may be worth one more conversation to make sure he really understands which behavior she finds troubling. After that, if nothing changes, cut him loose

      – IAntoniazzi
      5 hours ago











    • @PinkElephantsOnParade "He took some time to reflect and came back with a sincere and thoughtful apology for not seeing how his behaviors had impacted me. He also expressed disappointments that I would not give us a try in the past year." ... basically, I'm sorry that I keep nagging you for things that I want, and oh by the way, please won't you go out with me even though you have said no repeatedly!

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      5 hours ago













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    I used to have a friend who wanted to date me, but I wasn't interested. He made a number of attempts to get me to sleep with him, especially when I was alone at his house, drunk, and emotionally vulnerable. I finally said to him, "I've already told you I'm not interested. If you value my friendship, you'll stop asking." His answer was, "Well, I want to be with you, so I'm going to keep pursuing you." That was when I decided our friendship was over.



    Your guy is a better manipulator because he knows how to say the right things, but the proof is in the behavior. If he had really heard you and taken in what you said, you would see a change in his behavior, and you haven't. That means that, fundamentally, he doesn't respect you or care about your feelings. I especially don't like the subtle attempt to blame you for his attitude because he was disappointed that you haven't started dating him yet.



    The problem isn't that you haven't "communicate(d) with him effectively so that he could change his behaviors." The problem is that he enjoys pushing boundaries and he will continue to do so as long as it is tolerated. I think you're better off without this guy in your life.






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    I used to have a friend who wanted to date me, but I wasn't interested. He made a number of attempts to get me to sleep with him, especially when I was alone at his house, drunk, and emotionally vulnerable. I finally said to him, "I've already told you I'm not interested. If you value my friendship, you'll stop asking." His answer was, "Well, I want to be with you, so I'm going to keep pursuing you." That was when I decided our friendship was over.



    Your guy is a better manipulator because he knows how to say the right things, but the proof is in the behavior. If he had really heard you and taken in what you said, you would see a change in his behavior, and you haven't. That means that, fundamentally, he doesn't respect you or care about your feelings. I especially don't like the subtle attempt to blame you for his attitude because he was disappointed that you haven't started dating him yet.



    The problem isn't that you haven't "communicate(d) with him effectively so that he could change his behaviors." The problem is that he enjoys pushing boundaries and he will continue to do so as long as it is tolerated. I think you're better off without this guy in your life.







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    answered 12 hours ago









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    • I'm not convinced it's acting this way because he is willfully trying to manipulate her. He might think he is taking in what Storm said, or have initially tried to change his ways but then reverted to what he uses to do. In any case, it would be difficult that he changed his ways, and she is indeed better off without this guy.

      – Ángel
      6 hours ago






    • 1





      If someone says no to you, you either respect it or you don't. If you respect it, you don't ask again. If this guy is "used to" asking over and over until he gets the answer he wants, that just means that he doesn't respect anyone when they say no. I don't buy that this is innocent or forgetful behavior. My experience with people like this (both men and women) is that they will go as far as they can get away with and then claim innocence when they're called out.

      – IAntoniazzi
      6 hours ago











    • But how can you draw the conclusion of your final paragraph without any details about how OP communicated the lack of interest/need for space? Not saying you're wrong on the diagnosis of the guy - but seems to me sort of leaping to that conclusion. "He is now visibly more cautious with his words with me but in action would still text me when I asked for some time to myself to attend to a stressful life situation." That actually IS emblematic of a change in behavior in response to what OP communicated. Just not a change in every behavior OP desired. That could be a communication misfire

      – PinkElephantsOnParade
      6 hours ago












    • "Visibly more cautious with his words" says to me that he is making a big show of how hard he's trying while "still text me when I asked for some time to myself" indicates that he's still pushing past OP's boundaries, which is the behavior she wanted changed. She didn't ask him to choose his words more carefully, she asked him to stop pushing for things after she had said no. I suppose it's possible that there is a communication misfire and it may be worth one more conversation to make sure he really understands which behavior she finds troubling. After that, if nothing changes, cut him loose

      – IAntoniazzi
      5 hours ago











    • @PinkElephantsOnParade "He took some time to reflect and came back with a sincere and thoughtful apology for not seeing how his behaviors had impacted me. He also expressed disappointments that I would not give us a try in the past year." ... basically, I'm sorry that I keep nagging you for things that I want, and oh by the way, please won't you go out with me even though you have said no repeatedly!

      – user3067860
      5 hours ago

















    • I'm not convinced it's acting this way because he is willfully trying to manipulate her. He might think he is taking in what Storm said, or have initially tried to change his ways but then reverted to what he uses to do. In any case, it would be difficult that he changed his ways, and she is indeed better off without this guy.

      – Ángel
      6 hours ago






    • 1





      If someone says no to you, you either respect it or you don't. If you respect it, you don't ask again. If this guy is "used to" asking over and over until he gets the answer he wants, that just means that he doesn't respect anyone when they say no. I don't buy that this is innocent or forgetful behavior. My experience with people like this (both men and women) is that they will go as far as they can get away with and then claim innocence when they're called out.

      – IAntoniazzi
      6 hours ago











    • But how can you draw the conclusion of your final paragraph without any details about how OP communicated the lack of interest/need for space? Not saying you're wrong on the diagnosis of the guy - but seems to me sort of leaping to that conclusion. "He is now visibly more cautious with his words with me but in action would still text me when I asked for some time to myself to attend to a stressful life situation." That actually IS emblematic of a change in behavior in response to what OP communicated. Just not a change in every behavior OP desired. That could be a communication misfire

      – PinkElephantsOnParade
      6 hours ago












    • "Visibly more cautious with his words" says to me that he is making a big show of how hard he's trying while "still text me when I asked for some time to myself" indicates that he's still pushing past OP's boundaries, which is the behavior she wanted changed. She didn't ask him to choose his words more carefully, she asked him to stop pushing for things after she had said no. I suppose it's possible that there is a communication misfire and it may be worth one more conversation to make sure he really understands which behavior she finds troubling. After that, if nothing changes, cut him loose

      – IAntoniazzi
      5 hours ago











    • @PinkElephantsOnParade "He took some time to reflect and came back with a sincere and thoughtful apology for not seeing how his behaviors had impacted me. He also expressed disappointments that I would not give us a try in the past year." ... basically, I'm sorry that I keep nagging you for things that I want, and oh by the way, please won't you go out with me even though you have said no repeatedly!

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      5 hours ago
















    I'm not convinced it's acting this way because he is willfully trying to manipulate her. He might think he is taking in what Storm said, or have initially tried to change his ways but then reverted to what he uses to do. In any case, it would be difficult that he changed his ways, and she is indeed better off without this guy.

    – Ángel
    6 hours ago





    I'm not convinced it's acting this way because he is willfully trying to manipulate her. He might think he is taking in what Storm said, or have initially tried to change his ways but then reverted to what he uses to do. In any case, it would be difficult that he changed his ways, and she is indeed better off without this guy.

    – Ángel
    6 hours ago




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    If someone says no to you, you either respect it or you don't. If you respect it, you don't ask again. If this guy is "used to" asking over and over until he gets the answer he wants, that just means that he doesn't respect anyone when they say no. I don't buy that this is innocent or forgetful behavior. My experience with people like this (both men and women) is that they will go as far as they can get away with and then claim innocence when they're called out.

    – IAntoniazzi
    6 hours ago





    If someone says no to you, you either respect it or you don't. If you respect it, you don't ask again. If this guy is "used to" asking over and over until he gets the answer he wants, that just means that he doesn't respect anyone when they say no. I don't buy that this is innocent or forgetful behavior. My experience with people like this (both men and women) is that they will go as far as they can get away with and then claim innocence when they're called out.

    – IAntoniazzi
    6 hours ago













    But how can you draw the conclusion of your final paragraph without any details about how OP communicated the lack of interest/need for space? Not saying you're wrong on the diagnosis of the guy - but seems to me sort of leaping to that conclusion. "He is now visibly more cautious with his words with me but in action would still text me when I asked for some time to myself to attend to a stressful life situation." That actually IS emblematic of a change in behavior in response to what OP communicated. Just not a change in every behavior OP desired. That could be a communication misfire

    – PinkElephantsOnParade
    6 hours ago






    But how can you draw the conclusion of your final paragraph without any details about how OP communicated the lack of interest/need for space? Not saying you're wrong on the diagnosis of the guy - but seems to me sort of leaping to that conclusion. "He is now visibly more cautious with his words with me but in action would still text me when I asked for some time to myself to attend to a stressful life situation." That actually IS emblematic of a change in behavior in response to what OP communicated. Just not a change in every behavior OP desired. That could be a communication misfire

    – PinkElephantsOnParade
    6 hours ago














    "Visibly more cautious with his words" says to me that he is making a big show of how hard he's trying while "still text me when I asked for some time to myself" indicates that he's still pushing past OP's boundaries, which is the behavior she wanted changed. She didn't ask him to choose his words more carefully, she asked him to stop pushing for things after she had said no. I suppose it's possible that there is a communication misfire and it may be worth one more conversation to make sure he really understands which behavior she finds troubling. After that, if nothing changes, cut him loose

    – IAntoniazzi
    5 hours ago





    "Visibly more cautious with his words" says to me that he is making a big show of how hard he's trying while "still text me when I asked for some time to myself" indicates that he's still pushing past OP's boundaries, which is the behavior she wanted changed. She didn't ask him to choose his words more carefully, she asked him to stop pushing for things after she had said no. I suppose it's possible that there is a communication misfire and it may be worth one more conversation to make sure he really understands which behavior she finds troubling. After that, if nothing changes, cut him loose

    – IAntoniazzi
    5 hours ago













    @PinkElephantsOnParade "He took some time to reflect and came back with a sincere and thoughtful apology for not seeing how his behaviors had impacted me. He also expressed disappointments that I would not give us a try in the past year." ... basically, I'm sorry that I keep nagging you for things that I want, and oh by the way, please won't you go out with me even though you have said no repeatedly!

    – user3067860
    5 hours ago





    @PinkElephantsOnParade "He took some time to reflect and came back with a sincere and thoughtful apology for not seeing how his behaviors had impacted me. He also expressed disappointments that I would not give us a try in the past year." ... basically, I'm sorry that I keep nagging you for things that I want, and oh by the way, please won't you go out with me even though you have said no repeatedly!

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    5 hours ago











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    It all depends on context of his action and context of your expectations. Let me explain.



    • If this was one of your non-romantic friends who did this, would you find it as annoying?

    Consider what his question is and whether you are saying "no" because you don't want to do it, don't want to do it with him, or don't want to do it because it's him asking. I'm not saying you are wrong for saying "no" in any of those situations, just be aware of your real reasoning of your answer. He may have a different idea of why you are answering "no" and trying to get around your initial answer, thinking you'll decide it's best and "go along" with it. Whether it's actually better is entirely dependent on the situation.



    Example:




    Him: "Let's go to a snake farm."

    You: "AAACK! No!"

    Him: "But I love snakes."

    You: "No!"

    Him: "Don't you want to get over your fear of snakes?"

    You: "Yes....."

    Him: "Then let's go to a snake farm."

    You: "No!"




    This is pretty clear. You have a clear "knee jerk" reaction to snakes and don't want to go. You still what to get over your fear of snakes, but that's just too much right now. It may serve you better in the future to know what snakes are dangerous, which are helpful, and how to act when/if you meet one in the wild. But you're just not ready for it right then. Maybe you don't want to give him the satisfaction of seeing you freak out and constantly squirm at being around snakes.



    To be clear, I'm not saying all interactions like this are clear or healthy, let alone have a benefit of learning something. But you need to figure out if the request follows this format or not.



    This is crucial to figuring out if this is him being manipulative. Even if he is manipulating you, you have to figure out if it's because he wants to help you or help himself. Constantly helping himself is not good for you. Constantly helping you can be annoying, but it's coming from a better mindset.



    • Is he asking in a way that he believes will be taken as humorous?

    To exaggerate a question is sometimes taken as humorous. Let me reuse the last example.




    Him: "Let's go to a snake farm."

    You: "AAACK! No!"

    Him: "Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please?" Puppy eyes Protruding lower lip




    Done occasionally, this is generally considered fine. However, over using it constantly is definitely a problem.



    • Do you do this to him and how often?

    Example:




    You: "Let's go to the club to dance."
    Him: "I'm tired, so no."

    You: "Aw, com'on, we don't go anywhere anymore."
    Him: "No."

    You: "But I want to go dancing with you!"

    Him: "No."




    I'm not saying that him asking you is more, less, or equally annoying or unfair, I just want you to think about how he sees you and if he's just trying to act the same way to you as you do to him. I'm not saying this is your fault, I'm just wondering if maybe he thinks it's ok for him to do it.



    However he is asking, the fact that you talked to him about it is a good first step. You say he is responding to your conversation, which is also a good first step. It takes time to change habits. I'm not going to make excuses for his actions, but he may have had reasons for thinking re-asking was ok and now needs time to unlearn this idea.



    I had a co-worker that literally used the word "literally" in every sentence, literally every day for literally every thing he talked about, and sometimes literally multiple times in the same sentence, even when it literally didn't make sense to literally use it. Literally. Yes, what I just explained and demonstrated was how he talked for several weeks, until someone mentioned it to him and how annoying it was. Especially when he meant "figuratively". It took him a while to change, but he did.



    Give him a chance to change permanently. If he doesn't then you have a problem. Even if he does permanently change and he still does it on occasion, try not to be mad about it. Just remind him you don't like it.



    Also, is this really a "deal breaker"? Everyone has their faults. You just need to figure out if you can live with this one or not. You also need to figure out if it's manipulative and if that is actually harmful to you. This is your preference and no answer is a wrong answer, unless you can't live with the answer.



    "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess." - Red Green



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      It all depends on context of his action and context of your expectations. Let me explain.



      • If this was one of your non-romantic friends who did this, would you find it as annoying?

      Consider what his question is and whether you are saying "no" because you don't want to do it, don't want to do it with him, or don't want to do it because it's him asking. I'm not saying you are wrong for saying "no" in any of those situations, just be aware of your real reasoning of your answer. He may have a different idea of why you are answering "no" and trying to get around your initial answer, thinking you'll decide it's best and "go along" with it. Whether it's actually better is entirely dependent on the situation.



      Example:




      Him: "Let's go to a snake farm."

      You: "AAACK! No!"

      Him: "But I love snakes."

      You: "No!"

      Him: "Don't you want to get over your fear of snakes?"

      You: "Yes....."

      Him: "Then let's go to a snake farm."

      You: "No!"




      This is pretty clear. You have a clear "knee jerk" reaction to snakes and don't want to go. You still what to get over your fear of snakes, but that's just too much right now. It may serve you better in the future to know what snakes are dangerous, which are helpful, and how to act when/if you meet one in the wild. But you're just not ready for it right then. Maybe you don't want to give him the satisfaction of seeing you freak out and constantly squirm at being around snakes.



      To be clear, I'm not saying all interactions like this are clear or healthy, let alone have a benefit of learning something. But you need to figure out if the request follows this format or not.



      This is crucial to figuring out if this is him being manipulative. Even if he is manipulating you, you have to figure out if it's because he wants to help you or help himself. Constantly helping himself is not good for you. Constantly helping you can be annoying, but it's coming from a better mindset.



      • Is he asking in a way that he believes will be taken as humorous?

      To exaggerate a question is sometimes taken as humorous. Let me reuse the last example.




      Him: "Let's go to a snake farm."

      You: "AAACK! No!"

      Him: "Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please?" Puppy eyes Protruding lower lip




      Done occasionally, this is generally considered fine. However, over using it constantly is definitely a problem.



      • Do you do this to him and how often?

      Example:




      You: "Let's go to the club to dance."
      Him: "I'm tired, so no."

      You: "Aw, com'on, we don't go anywhere anymore."
      Him: "No."

      You: "But I want to go dancing with you!"

      Him: "No."




      I'm not saying that him asking you is more, less, or equally annoying or unfair, I just want you to think about how he sees you and if he's just trying to act the same way to you as you do to him. I'm not saying this is your fault, I'm just wondering if maybe he thinks it's ok for him to do it.



      However he is asking, the fact that you talked to him about it is a good first step. You say he is responding to your conversation, which is also a good first step. It takes time to change habits. I'm not going to make excuses for his actions, but he may have had reasons for thinking re-asking was ok and now needs time to unlearn this idea.



      I had a co-worker that literally used the word "literally" in every sentence, literally every day for literally every thing he talked about, and sometimes literally multiple times in the same sentence, even when it literally didn't make sense to literally use it. Literally. Yes, what I just explained and demonstrated was how he talked for several weeks, until someone mentioned it to him and how annoying it was. Especially when he meant "figuratively". It took him a while to change, but he did.



      Give him a chance to change permanently. If he doesn't then you have a problem. Even if he does permanently change and he still does it on occasion, try not to be mad about it. Just remind him you don't like it.



      Also, is this really a "deal breaker"? Everyone has their faults. You just need to figure out if you can live with this one or not. You also need to figure out if it's manipulative and if that is actually harmful to you. This is your preference and no answer is a wrong answer, unless you can't live with the answer.



      "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess." - Red Green



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        It all depends on context of his action and context of your expectations. Let me explain.



        • If this was one of your non-romantic friends who did this, would you find it as annoying?

        Consider what his question is and whether you are saying "no" because you don't want to do it, don't want to do it with him, or don't want to do it because it's him asking. I'm not saying you are wrong for saying "no" in any of those situations, just be aware of your real reasoning of your answer. He may have a different idea of why you are answering "no" and trying to get around your initial answer, thinking you'll decide it's best and "go along" with it. Whether it's actually better is entirely dependent on the situation.



        Example:




        Him: "Let's go to a snake farm."

        You: "AAACK! No!"

        Him: "But I love snakes."

        You: "No!"

        Him: "Don't you want to get over your fear of snakes?"

        You: "Yes....."

        Him: "Then let's go to a snake farm."

        You: "No!"




        This is pretty clear. You have a clear "knee jerk" reaction to snakes and don't want to go. You still what to get over your fear of snakes, but that's just too much right now. It may serve you better in the future to know what snakes are dangerous, which are helpful, and how to act when/if you meet one in the wild. But you're just not ready for it right then. Maybe you don't want to give him the satisfaction of seeing you freak out and constantly squirm at being around snakes.



        To be clear, I'm not saying all interactions like this are clear or healthy, let alone have a benefit of learning something. But you need to figure out if the request follows this format or not.



        This is crucial to figuring out if this is him being manipulative. Even if he is manipulating you, you have to figure out if it's because he wants to help you or help himself. Constantly helping himself is not good for you. Constantly helping you can be annoying, but it's coming from a better mindset.



        • Is he asking in a way that he believes will be taken as humorous?

        To exaggerate a question is sometimes taken as humorous. Let me reuse the last example.




        Him: "Let's go to a snake farm."

        You: "AAACK! No!"

        Him: "Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please?" Puppy eyes Protruding lower lip




        Done occasionally, this is generally considered fine. However, over using it constantly is definitely a problem.



        • Do you do this to him and how often?

        Example:




        You: "Let's go to the club to dance."
        Him: "I'm tired, so no."

        You: "Aw, com'on, we don't go anywhere anymore."
        Him: "No."

        You: "But I want to go dancing with you!"

        Him: "No."




        I'm not saying that him asking you is more, less, or equally annoying or unfair, I just want you to think about how he sees you and if he's just trying to act the same way to you as you do to him. I'm not saying this is your fault, I'm just wondering if maybe he thinks it's ok for him to do it.



        However he is asking, the fact that you talked to him about it is a good first step. You say he is responding to your conversation, which is also a good first step. It takes time to change habits. I'm not going to make excuses for his actions, but he may have had reasons for thinking re-asking was ok and now needs time to unlearn this idea.



        I had a co-worker that literally used the word "literally" in every sentence, literally every day for literally every thing he talked about, and sometimes literally multiple times in the same sentence, even when it literally didn't make sense to literally use it. Literally. Yes, what I just explained and demonstrated was how he talked for several weeks, until someone mentioned it to him and how annoying it was. Especially when he meant "figuratively". It took him a while to change, but he did.



        Give him a chance to change permanently. If he doesn't then you have a problem. Even if he does permanently change and he still does it on occasion, try not to be mad about it. Just remind him you don't like it.



        Also, is this really a "deal breaker"? Everyone has their faults. You just need to figure out if you can live with this one or not. You also need to figure out if it's manipulative and if that is actually harmful to you. This is your preference and no answer is a wrong answer, unless you can't live with the answer.



        "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess." - Red Green



        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Green_Show#Conclusion_and_credits






        share|improve this answer













        It all depends on context of his action and context of your expectations. Let me explain.



        • If this was one of your non-romantic friends who did this, would you find it as annoying?

        Consider what his question is and whether you are saying "no" because you don't want to do it, don't want to do it with him, or don't want to do it because it's him asking. I'm not saying you are wrong for saying "no" in any of those situations, just be aware of your real reasoning of your answer. He may have a different idea of why you are answering "no" and trying to get around your initial answer, thinking you'll decide it's best and "go along" with it. Whether it's actually better is entirely dependent on the situation.



        Example:




        Him: "Let's go to a snake farm."

        You: "AAACK! No!"

        Him: "But I love snakes."

        You: "No!"

        Him: "Don't you want to get over your fear of snakes?"

        You: "Yes....."

        Him: "Then let's go to a snake farm."

        You: "No!"




        This is pretty clear. You have a clear "knee jerk" reaction to snakes and don't want to go. You still what to get over your fear of snakes, but that's just too much right now. It may serve you better in the future to know what snakes are dangerous, which are helpful, and how to act when/if you meet one in the wild. But you're just not ready for it right then. Maybe you don't want to give him the satisfaction of seeing you freak out and constantly squirm at being around snakes.



        To be clear, I'm not saying all interactions like this are clear or healthy, let alone have a benefit of learning something. But you need to figure out if the request follows this format or not.



        This is crucial to figuring out if this is him being manipulative. Even if he is manipulating you, you have to figure out if it's because he wants to help you or help himself. Constantly helping himself is not good for you. Constantly helping you can be annoying, but it's coming from a better mindset.



        • Is he asking in a way that he believes will be taken as humorous?

        To exaggerate a question is sometimes taken as humorous. Let me reuse the last example.




        Him: "Let's go to a snake farm."

        You: "AAACK! No!"

        Him: "Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please?" Puppy eyes Protruding lower lip




        Done occasionally, this is generally considered fine. However, over using it constantly is definitely a problem.



        • Do you do this to him and how often?

        Example:




        You: "Let's go to the club to dance."
        Him: "I'm tired, so no."

        You: "Aw, com'on, we don't go anywhere anymore."
        Him: "No."

        You: "But I want to go dancing with you!"

        Him: "No."




        I'm not saying that him asking you is more, less, or equally annoying or unfair, I just want you to think about how he sees you and if he's just trying to act the same way to you as you do to him. I'm not saying this is your fault, I'm just wondering if maybe he thinks it's ok for him to do it.



        However he is asking, the fact that you talked to him about it is a good first step. You say he is responding to your conversation, which is also a good first step. It takes time to change habits. I'm not going to make excuses for his actions, but he may have had reasons for thinking re-asking was ok and now needs time to unlearn this idea.



        I had a co-worker that literally used the word "literally" in every sentence, literally every day for literally every thing he talked about, and sometimes literally multiple times in the same sentence, even when it literally didn't make sense to literally use it. Literally. Yes, what I just explained and demonstrated was how he talked for several weeks, until someone mentioned it to him and how annoying it was. Especially when he meant "figuratively". It took him a while to change, but he did.



        Give him a chance to change permanently. If he doesn't then you have a problem. Even if he does permanently change and he still does it on occasion, try not to be mad about it. Just remind him you don't like it.



        Also, is this really a "deal breaker"? Everyone has their faults. You just need to figure out if you can live with this one or not. You also need to figure out if it's manipulative and if that is actually harmful to you. This is your preference and no answer is a wrong answer, unless you can't live with the answer.



        "I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess." - Red Green



        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Green_Show#Conclusion_and_credits







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            You sound extremely cautious when you say things like




            I found myself deeply worried [...] whether I will be able to deal with it




            and overly objective when you observe that




            He also is very capable at work, driven and self disciplined.




            More like assessing an employee than dreaming about a romantic relationship.



            Are you sure this is the right basis for a date?






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            • Some of the best aspects of a good employee make for a good companion. Being capable at work means he's unlikely to get fired for his actions. Being driven can mean he knows what he wants and is willing to work towards it. Being self disciplined means he might not philander, spend money foolishly, or that he can pay attention to his date, rather than his phone. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but rather I'm saying you're not 100% right.

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              3 hours ago











            • It just struck me that Storm writes "I’m not sure if there are deeper issues going on" and that he is "very capable at work, driven and self disciplined" rather than something like "he's smart, funny, good-looking, and a brilliant dancer". But point taken. And yes, it may be mean of me to seed even more doubt. :-(

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            You sound extremely cautious when you say things like




            I found myself deeply worried [...] whether I will be able to deal with it




            and overly objective when you observe that




            He also is very capable at work, driven and self disciplined.




            More like assessing an employee than dreaming about a romantic relationship.



            Are you sure this is the right basis for a date?






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            • Some of the best aspects of a good employee make for a good companion. Being capable at work means he's unlikely to get fired for his actions. Being driven can mean he knows what he wants and is willing to work towards it. Being self disciplined means he might not philander, spend money foolishly, or that he can pay attention to his date, rather than his phone. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but rather I'm saying you're not 100% right.

              – computercarguy
              3 hours ago











            • It just struck me that Storm writes "I’m not sure if there are deeper issues going on" and that he is "very capable at work, driven and self disciplined" rather than something like "he's smart, funny, good-looking, and a brilliant dancer". But point taken. And yes, it may be mean of me to seed even more doubt. :-(

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            You sound extremely cautious when you say things like




            I found myself deeply worried [...] whether I will be able to deal with it




            and overly objective when you observe that




            He also is very capable at work, driven and self disciplined.




            More like assessing an employee than dreaming about a romantic relationship.



            Are you sure this is the right basis for a date?






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            You sound extremely cautious when you say things like




            I found myself deeply worried [...] whether I will be able to deal with it




            and overly objective when you observe that




            He also is very capable at work, driven and self disciplined.




            More like assessing an employee than dreaming about a romantic relationship.



            Are you sure this is the right basis for a date?







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            Florian is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
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            • Some of the best aspects of a good employee make for a good companion. Being capable at work means he's unlikely to get fired for his actions. Being driven can mean he knows what he wants and is willing to work towards it. Being self disciplined means he might not philander, spend money foolishly, or that he can pay attention to his date, rather than his phone. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but rather I'm saying you're not 100% right.

              – computercarguy
              3 hours ago











            • It just struck me that Storm writes "I’m not sure if there are deeper issues going on" and that he is "very capable at work, driven and self disciplined" rather than something like "he's smart, funny, good-looking, and a brilliant dancer". But point taken. And yes, it may be mean of me to seed even more doubt. :-(

              – Florian
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            • Some of the best aspects of a good employee make for a good companion. Being capable at work means he's unlikely to get fired for his actions. Being driven can mean he knows what he wants and is willing to work towards it. Being self disciplined means he might not philander, spend money foolishly, or that he can pay attention to his date, rather than his phone. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but rather I'm saying you're not 100% right.

              – computercarguy
              3 hours ago











            • It just struck me that Storm writes "I’m not sure if there are deeper issues going on" and that he is "very capable at work, driven and self disciplined" rather than something like "he's smart, funny, good-looking, and a brilliant dancer". But point taken. And yes, it may be mean of me to seed even more doubt. :-(

              – Florian
              2 hours ago
















            Some of the best aspects of a good employee make for a good companion. Being capable at work means he's unlikely to get fired for his actions. Being driven can mean he knows what he wants and is willing to work towards it. Being self disciplined means he might not philander, spend money foolishly, or that he can pay attention to his date, rather than his phone. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but rather I'm saying you're not 100% right.

            – computercarguy
            3 hours ago





            Some of the best aspects of a good employee make for a good companion. Being capable at work means he's unlikely to get fired for his actions. Being driven can mean he knows what he wants and is willing to work towards it. Being self disciplined means he might not philander, spend money foolishly, or that he can pay attention to his date, rather than his phone. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but rather I'm saying you're not 100% right.

            – computercarguy
            3 hours ago













            It just struck me that Storm writes "I’m not sure if there are deeper issues going on" and that he is "very capable at work, driven and self disciplined" rather than something like "he's smart, funny, good-looking, and a brilliant dancer". But point taken. And yes, it may be mean of me to seed even more doubt. :-(

            – Florian
            2 hours ago





            It just struck me that Storm writes "I’m not sure if there are deeper issues going on" and that he is "very capable at work, driven and self disciplined" rather than something like "he's smart, funny, good-looking, and a brilliant dancer". But point taken. And yes, it may be mean of me to seed even more doubt. :-(

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