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A few months back I received a request from a reputed journal to review an article. The article was in a fast-track mode because of its assumed importance. I did review it, and found that it makes some improvement over the existing models, and hence does not rate high on the novelty axis. Moreover, there were serious problems in the article both conceptual and mathematical. Lastly, the English used was erroneous. I wrote these things to the editor, and he made it a regular article and asked the authors to revise it.



They did, and the manuscript came back to me. Unfortunately, the mathematical problems were simply ignored by them, and only cosmetic changes were done. I wrote back to the editor about this, and requested him to ask another review with all the clarifications/modifications. But after that journal did not communicate with me. Today, I was surprised to see that the paper has already been published! I went through it, and found that some minor changes that I had suggested (like changes to a figure to make it more informative) have been done, but the main issues that I had raised have been pushed under the carpet. I find this to be a complete insult to the reviewer, and also a kind of scientific dishonesty. I thought of writing to the editor, but I just want to know if something like this is regular, and if it has happened to anyone. If yes, how should I proceed from here? Just shut my mouth and carry on?










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    Just to put the shoe on the other foot for a moment: how would you have preferred the editor to act if you were the author of said paper?

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    @nick012000 : I would have made the changes or replied to the reviewer justifying my work. But unless the reviewer is convinced, how could the work be published, especially when the objections are serious?

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    Is the journal one that allows people to publish comments on or responses to other people’s work?

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    That's a good point. I think I should find that out.

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    If you don’t want to work with that journal again, you could also include the name of the editor when publishing your comments ie that they were told prior to publishing...

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A few months back I received a request from a reputed journal to review an article. The article was in a fast-track mode because of its assumed importance. I did review it, and found that it makes some improvement over the existing models, and hence does not rate high on the novelty axis. Moreover, there were serious problems in the article both conceptual and mathematical. Lastly, the English used was erroneous. I wrote these things to the editor, and he made it a regular article and asked the authors to revise it.



They did, and the manuscript came back to me. Unfortunately, the mathematical problems were simply ignored by them, and only cosmetic changes were done. I wrote back to the editor about this, and requested him to ask another review with all the clarifications/modifications. But after that journal did not communicate with me. Today, I was surprised to see that the paper has already been published! I went through it, and found that some minor changes that I had suggested (like changes to a figure to make it more informative) have been done, but the main issues that I had raised have been pushed under the carpet. I find this to be a complete insult to the reviewer, and also a kind of scientific dishonesty. I thought of writing to the editor, but I just want to know if something like this is regular, and if it has happened to anyone. If yes, how should I proceed from here? Just shut my mouth and carry on?










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    Just to put the shoe on the other foot for a moment: how would you have preferred the editor to act if you were the author of said paper?

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    @nick012000 : I would have made the changes or replied to the reviewer justifying my work. But unless the reviewer is convinced, how could the work be published, especially when the objections are serious?

    – Peaceful
    18 hours ago






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    Is the journal one that allows people to publish comments on or responses to other people’s work?

    – nick012000
    17 hours ago






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    That's a good point. I think I should find that out.

    – Peaceful
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    If you don’t want to work with that journal again, you could also include the name of the editor when publishing your comments ie that they were told prior to publishing...

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A few months back I received a request from a reputed journal to review an article. The article was in a fast-track mode because of its assumed importance. I did review it, and found that it makes some improvement over the existing models, and hence does not rate high on the novelty axis. Moreover, there were serious problems in the article both conceptual and mathematical. Lastly, the English used was erroneous. I wrote these things to the editor, and he made it a regular article and asked the authors to revise it.



They did, and the manuscript came back to me. Unfortunately, the mathematical problems were simply ignored by them, and only cosmetic changes were done. I wrote back to the editor about this, and requested him to ask another review with all the clarifications/modifications. But after that journal did not communicate with me. Today, I was surprised to see that the paper has already been published! I went through it, and found that some minor changes that I had suggested (like changes to a figure to make it more informative) have been done, but the main issues that I had raised have been pushed under the carpet. I find this to be a complete insult to the reviewer, and also a kind of scientific dishonesty. I thought of writing to the editor, but I just want to know if something like this is regular, and if it has happened to anyone. If yes, how should I proceed from here? Just shut my mouth and carry on?










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A few months back I received a request from a reputed journal to review an article. The article was in a fast-track mode because of its assumed importance. I did review it, and found that it makes some improvement over the existing models, and hence does not rate high on the novelty axis. Moreover, there were serious problems in the article both conceptual and mathematical. Lastly, the English used was erroneous. I wrote these things to the editor, and he made it a regular article and asked the authors to revise it.



They did, and the manuscript came back to me. Unfortunately, the mathematical problems were simply ignored by them, and only cosmetic changes were done. I wrote back to the editor about this, and requested him to ask another review with all the clarifications/modifications. But after that journal did not communicate with me. Today, I was surprised to see that the paper has already been published! I went through it, and found that some minor changes that I had suggested (like changes to a figure to make it more informative) have been done, but the main issues that I had raised have been pushed under the carpet. I find this to be a complete insult to the reviewer, and also a kind of scientific dishonesty. I thought of writing to the editor, but I just want to know if something like this is regular, and if it has happened to anyone. If yes, how should I proceed from here? Just shut my mouth and carry on?







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    Just to put the shoe on the other foot for a moment: how would you have preferred the editor to act if you were the author of said paper?

    – nick012000
    18 hours ago






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    @nick012000 : I would have made the changes or replied to the reviewer justifying my work. But unless the reviewer is convinced, how could the work be published, especially when the objections are serious?

    – Peaceful
    18 hours ago






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    Is the journal one that allows people to publish comments on or responses to other people’s work?

    – nick012000
    17 hours ago






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    That's a good point. I think I should find that out.

    – Peaceful
    17 hours ago






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    If you don’t want to work with that journal again, you could also include the name of the editor when publishing your comments ie that they were told prior to publishing...

    – Solar Mike
    17 hours ago












  • 1





    Just to put the shoe on the other foot for a moment: how would you have preferred the editor to act if you were the author of said paper?

    – nick012000
    18 hours ago






  • 14





    @nick012000 : I would have made the changes or replied to the reviewer justifying my work. But unless the reviewer is convinced, how could the work be published, especially when the objections are serious?

    – Peaceful
    18 hours ago






  • 2





    Is the journal one that allows people to publish comments on or responses to other people’s work?

    – nick012000
    17 hours ago






  • 2





    That's a good point. I think I should find that out.

    – Peaceful
    17 hours ago






  • 2





    If you don’t want to work with that journal again, you could also include the name of the editor when publishing your comments ie that they were told prior to publishing...

    – Solar Mike
    17 hours ago







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Just to put the shoe on the other foot for a moment: how would you have preferred the editor to act if you were the author of said paper?

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Just to put the shoe on the other foot for a moment: how would you have preferred the editor to act if you were the author of said paper?

– nick012000
18 hours ago




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@nick012000 : I would have made the changes or replied to the reviewer justifying my work. But unless the reviewer is convinced, how could the work be published, especially when the objections are serious?

– Peaceful
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@nick012000 : I would have made the changes or replied to the reviewer justifying my work. But unless the reviewer is convinced, how could the work be published, especially when the objections are serious?

– Peaceful
18 hours ago




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Is the journal one that allows people to publish comments on or responses to other people’s work?

– nick012000
17 hours ago





Is the journal one that allows people to publish comments on or responses to other people’s work?

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That's a good point. I think I should find that out.

– Peaceful
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That's a good point. I think I should find that out.

– Peaceful
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If you don’t want to work with that journal again, you could also include the name of the editor when publishing your comments ie that they were told prior to publishing...

– Solar Mike
17 hours ago





If you don’t want to work with that journal again, you could also include the name of the editor when publishing your comments ie that they were told prior to publishing...

– Solar Mike
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Your key misconception is that the editor does not need reviewers' permission to publish a paper. The decision to publish rests solely with the editor.



In this case, you disagree with the editor, but we do not have enough information to tell who is correct. If you think the errors in the paper are important, then once the paper is published you may be able to submit a comment to the journal. Do not do that before the paper is published, because for most journals you must maintain the confidentiality of peer review.






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    Probably I shouldn't have used the word "permission"; I know that the editor doesn't need it. However, the problems are "serious". What is the problem in convincing the referee with solid arguments instead of simply ignoring him/her?

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    @Peaceful if the editor disagrees with the referee, then convincing the referee with solid arguments takes time and effort but serves no useful purpose. It would be polite (but not absolutely necessary) to inform the referee of the decision, and it makes sense to ask questions to referee if their position is unclear; but if the arguments made by referee are clear to the editor but the editor intentionally chooses to act contrary to their recommendations, then why should they spend their time arguing with someone? As you say, the editor doesn't need your permission, that's their choice to make.

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    Any reasonably academic who cares for intellectual honesty should argue with anyone that raises serious scientific objections about a work they are editing or involved in. That is basic. At least the editor should note the referee who contributed freely to assist with the reviewing process. Indeed, it is common that editors are busy and choose the easy road of ignoring the referees. But let us not justify such intellectual laziness.

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  • @Dilworth why should we assume that there actually are serious scientific objections? As the editor together with other reviewers (I mean, there's almost always more than one reviewer) decided to publish the paper, so apparently their majority opinion is that the paper is adequate. From the supplied description, it seems that the arguments of the lone dissenting reviewer were listened to but they did not agree with their judgement - the opinion of peers seems to be that the problems are not serious, and review process is not a debate club for some reviewers to convince others of something.

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    +1 The decision to accept or reject a paper lies entirely with the editor(s). All a referee can do is offer a recommendation. I've even had papers get rejected after receiving glowing referee reports. (This has happened to me both as the author and as the referee.) Moreover, does the OP even know for certain that they were the only referee? In my field top tier journals often send papers to multiple referees, as do editors attempting to fast track a paper.

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This probably isn't something to fight over. Possibilities abound:



  • Perhaps you misunderstood something.

  • Perhaps the other reviewers were positive on the paper.

  • Perhaps the authors provided arguments that your rejection reasons aren't applicable, and the editor found them convincing.

  • Perhaps the editor thinks it's better to accept a potentially bad paper than to reject a potentially good one.

  • Perhaps the authors said they cannot fix the issues (e.g. funding ran out, one of the lead experimenters graduated and is no longer in the group, etc) and the editor made the judgment call to accept anyway.

  • Perhaps the journal is short on papers to fill its issues and so is accepting borderline papers.

  • Perhaps the editor simply made a mistake, but since the paper is already accepted, decided to stick with accept instead of rescind the decision.

Ultimately journals are going to publish whatever their editors think are acceptable. Reviewers do not "give permission" to publish something; they only offer recommendations. In the same way if there is a backlash against the journal for publishing this paper, it's the editors who take the heat, not the reviewers. So even if your objections are correct, it's probably still not something to fight over.



If it really bothers you, you could email the editor asking why they accepted the article in spite of your comments. If the response they give isn't satisfactory, you could refuse to review for and/or publish in this journal in the future. If it really bothers you and you feel taking retributive action against the journal is justified, you could try denouncing the paper on social media (high-level summary of what happened), but be psychologically prepared for the drama that might follow.



Alternatively, you could view the entire episode positively - hey, I can now write a paper arguing why this paper is wrong!






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  • I do agree. But I would like to point out that so far whenever I reviewed an article, whether accepted or rejected, the editor has always informed me so. The fact that this time it didn't happen when I questioned the core of the paper makes me feel bad. Editor might have simply said that the paper is now fine and we accept it. Period.

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    @Peaceful does the journal use an editorial management system? If so, there's a chance that you weren't informed because of technicalities: i.e., you didn't review the last version of the paper that was accepted or rejected. I can't explain why this system is there, but it was in Editorial Manager when I last used it.

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    Basically if paper is submitted -> editor invites reviewers (including you) -> paper is sent for revision (you are notified) -> paper is revised -> editor invites reviewers, but does not invite you -> paper is accepted, then you aren't notified about a final decision because you didn't review the revision. If this happened, I'd guess that the editor didn't invite you the second time because he's already made a decision that went against your judgment.

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    If you're wondering why the editor might not invite you if he's already made a decision that went against your judgment, I once had a reviewer who wrote something like "this paper should still be rejected, however, I note you have already decided in its favor so I don't understand why you're asking me".

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As others have already said, it is up to the editor to decide if a paper gets published or not. That being said, I have been in the same situation before, and to be honest, it is extremely annoying to carefully write a review - I usually put more care into reviews where I recommend rejection than reviews of good papers - only to have it dismissed by the editor.



My solution to the problem was simple. I stopped accepting referee requests from that journal, and submit my own work elsewhere. Since it is a well known mid-tier journal in my field, collaborators ask me why I don't want to submit there, and I tell them the story.






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    This isn't something to fight over. The editor made an editorial decision based upon your review, other reviews, and whatever the editorial policies and goals of the journal are. This is the proper editorial role.



    As to what you can do -- you have the option of doing nothing, you can counter the problems in the paper in a paper of your own, if it's appropriate to do so, you can write a letter to the editor (I'd recommend doing this in the role of a reader of the paper, and not a referee, which would be inappropriate) -- in other words, you would do exactly what you would do if you had nothing to do with the reviewing process and read a paper you had issues with.



    Lastly, if you were really offended by the process, you might consider whether or not you'd accept review request from that journal or that particular editor ever again. There's certainly a "cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face" aspect to effectively taking your ball and going home that might negatively impact you in the long run to turning down reviews, especially if you make the reason for that action known to the editor, but it might help you make your point.






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      This is something that can and does happen in reputable and even prestigious journals. We do not have the full picture, only what you wrote, but based on my experience, I tend to believe you are correct, and the editor made a judgment that takes into account non-scientific factors such as:



      • Efficiency. He/She does not have time to deal with the details too much. He/she needs to make a fast decision and it's safest to let the paper in because it was on a fast pace track anyway.


      • Politics/Importance/Perceived-importance of papers/author. Since it was on a fast track the paper was probably important for some reason to the journal/editorial board. Maybe it gives them some prestigious? Or whatever reason. The editor knew there is a reason for concern, but went with publishing it because he/she decided to ignore what they perceive as "details" that "do not take into account the whole picture", or something like that.


      • Possibly, the editor did a genuine decision, believing the paper merits acceptance, and that "you are just picking on the details". They may have a different view than yours, they may think that details are unimportant.


      Overall, I tend to agree with your view: details are extremely important and decisions should be made based on objective merits solely as much as possible. Unfortunately, that is not how the system works.



      Conclusions: You may want to fight a bit over it. I don't see it as harmful. Simply send an email to the editor to inform them that you think they made a wrong decision as long as the reviewers don't address your concerns. This will not change anything for the present paper, but for the next paper this editor will be more cautious I assume. He/she may be a bit pissed off by your email, but so be it.






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        Although it is not specifically helpful here, remember that publishing is only the first stage in peer-review, broadly conceived.



        You've done due diligence trying to fix things before they make it to the broader world (perhaps you should have argued for rejection initially?). But this isn't the only poorly done science out there: try not to amplify those signals by being careful about what you cite.



        Ideally, every paper is perfect and sound in all ways. But, given a flawed paper, there is also a question of whether some subset of the paper --- the core idea, perhaps --- might have value to the community. What you saw is disqualifying mathematical issues may not have been the part of the work the editor saw as valuable.






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          Your key misconception is that the editor does not need reviewers' permission to publish a paper. The decision to publish rests solely with the editor.



          In this case, you disagree with the editor, but we do not have enough information to tell who is correct. If you think the errors in the paper are important, then once the paper is published you may be able to submit a comment to the journal. Do not do that before the paper is published, because for most journals you must maintain the confidentiality of peer review.






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            Probably I shouldn't have used the word "permission"; I know that the editor doesn't need it. However, the problems are "serious". What is the problem in convincing the referee with solid arguments instead of simply ignoring him/her?

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            @Peaceful if the editor disagrees with the referee, then convincing the referee with solid arguments takes time and effort but serves no useful purpose. It would be polite (but not absolutely necessary) to inform the referee of the decision, and it makes sense to ask questions to referee if their position is unclear; but if the arguments made by referee are clear to the editor but the editor intentionally chooses to act contrary to their recommendations, then why should they spend their time arguing with someone? As you say, the editor doesn't need your permission, that's their choice to make.

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            Any reasonably academic who cares for intellectual honesty should argue with anyone that raises serious scientific objections about a work they are editing or involved in. That is basic. At least the editor should note the referee who contributed freely to assist with the reviewing process. Indeed, it is common that editors are busy and choose the easy road of ignoring the referees. But let us not justify such intellectual laziness.

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          • @Dilworth why should we assume that there actually are serious scientific objections? As the editor together with other reviewers (I mean, there's almost always more than one reviewer) decided to publish the paper, so apparently their majority opinion is that the paper is adequate. From the supplied description, it seems that the arguments of the lone dissenting reviewer were listened to but they did not agree with their judgement - the opinion of peers seems to be that the problems are not serious, and review process is not a debate club for some reviewers to convince others of something.

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            +1 The decision to accept or reject a paper lies entirely with the editor(s). All a referee can do is offer a recommendation. I've even had papers get rejected after receiving glowing referee reports. (This has happened to me both as the author and as the referee.) Moreover, does the OP even know for certain that they were the only referee? In my field top tier journals often send papers to multiple referees, as do editors attempting to fast track a paper.

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          Your key misconception is that the editor does not need reviewers' permission to publish a paper. The decision to publish rests solely with the editor.



          In this case, you disagree with the editor, but we do not have enough information to tell who is correct. If you think the errors in the paper are important, then once the paper is published you may be able to submit a comment to the journal. Do not do that before the paper is published, because for most journals you must maintain the confidentiality of peer review.






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            Probably I shouldn't have used the word "permission"; I know that the editor doesn't need it. However, the problems are "serious". What is the problem in convincing the referee with solid arguments instead of simply ignoring him/her?

            – Peaceful
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            @Peaceful if the editor disagrees with the referee, then convincing the referee with solid arguments takes time and effort but serves no useful purpose. It would be polite (but not absolutely necessary) to inform the referee of the decision, and it makes sense to ask questions to referee if their position is unclear; but if the arguments made by referee are clear to the editor but the editor intentionally chooses to act contrary to their recommendations, then why should they spend their time arguing with someone? As you say, the editor doesn't need your permission, that's their choice to make.

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            Any reasonably academic who cares for intellectual honesty should argue with anyone that raises serious scientific objections about a work they are editing or involved in. That is basic. At least the editor should note the referee who contributed freely to assist with the reviewing process. Indeed, it is common that editors are busy and choose the easy road of ignoring the referees. But let us not justify such intellectual laziness.

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          • @Dilworth why should we assume that there actually are serious scientific objections? As the editor together with other reviewers (I mean, there's almost always more than one reviewer) decided to publish the paper, so apparently their majority opinion is that the paper is adequate. From the supplied description, it seems that the arguments of the lone dissenting reviewer were listened to but they did not agree with their judgement - the opinion of peers seems to be that the problems are not serious, and review process is not a debate club for some reviewers to convince others of something.

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            +1 The decision to accept or reject a paper lies entirely with the editor(s). All a referee can do is offer a recommendation. I've even had papers get rejected after receiving glowing referee reports. (This has happened to me both as the author and as the referee.) Moreover, does the OP even know for certain that they were the only referee? In my field top tier journals often send papers to multiple referees, as do editors attempting to fast track a paper.

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          Your key misconception is that the editor does not need reviewers' permission to publish a paper. The decision to publish rests solely with the editor.



          In this case, you disagree with the editor, but we do not have enough information to tell who is correct. If you think the errors in the paper are important, then once the paper is published you may be able to submit a comment to the journal. Do not do that before the paper is published, because for most journals you must maintain the confidentiality of peer review.






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          Your key misconception is that the editor does not need reviewers' permission to publish a paper. The decision to publish rests solely with the editor.



          In this case, you disagree with the editor, but we do not have enough information to tell who is correct. If you think the errors in the paper are important, then once the paper is published you may be able to submit a comment to the journal. Do not do that before the paper is published, because for most journals you must maintain the confidentiality of peer review.







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            Probably I shouldn't have used the word "permission"; I know that the editor doesn't need it. However, the problems are "serious". What is the problem in convincing the referee with solid arguments instead of simply ignoring him/her?

            – Peaceful
            15 hours ago






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            @Peaceful if the editor disagrees with the referee, then convincing the referee with solid arguments takes time and effort but serves no useful purpose. It would be polite (but not absolutely necessary) to inform the referee of the decision, and it makes sense to ask questions to referee if their position is unclear; but if the arguments made by referee are clear to the editor but the editor intentionally chooses to act contrary to their recommendations, then why should they spend their time arguing with someone? As you say, the editor doesn't need your permission, that's their choice to make.

            – Peteris
            9 hours ago







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            Any reasonably academic who cares for intellectual honesty should argue with anyone that raises serious scientific objections about a work they are editing or involved in. That is basic. At least the editor should note the referee who contributed freely to assist with the reviewing process. Indeed, it is common that editors are busy and choose the easy road of ignoring the referees. But let us not justify such intellectual laziness.

            – Dilworth
            3 hours ago











          • @Dilworth why should we assume that there actually are serious scientific objections? As the editor together with other reviewers (I mean, there's almost always more than one reviewer) decided to publish the paper, so apparently their majority opinion is that the paper is adequate. From the supplied description, it seems that the arguments of the lone dissenting reviewer were listened to but they did not agree with their judgement - the opinion of peers seems to be that the problems are not serious, and review process is not a debate club for some reviewers to convince others of something.

            – Peteris
            2 hours ago






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            +1 The decision to accept or reject a paper lies entirely with the editor(s). All a referee can do is offer a recommendation. I've even had papers get rejected after receiving glowing referee reports. (This has happened to me both as the author and as the referee.) Moreover, does the OP even know for certain that they were the only referee? In my field top tier journals often send papers to multiple referees, as do editors attempting to fast track a paper.

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            1 hour ago












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            Probably I shouldn't have used the word "permission"; I know that the editor doesn't need it. However, the problems are "serious". What is the problem in convincing the referee with solid arguments instead of simply ignoring him/her?

            – Peaceful
            15 hours ago






          • 7





            @Peaceful if the editor disagrees with the referee, then convincing the referee with solid arguments takes time and effort but serves no useful purpose. It would be polite (but not absolutely necessary) to inform the referee of the decision, and it makes sense to ask questions to referee if their position is unclear; but if the arguments made by referee are clear to the editor but the editor intentionally chooses to act contrary to their recommendations, then why should they spend their time arguing with someone? As you say, the editor doesn't need your permission, that's their choice to make.

            – Peteris
            9 hours ago







          • 3





            Any reasonably academic who cares for intellectual honesty should argue with anyone that raises serious scientific objections about a work they are editing or involved in. That is basic. At least the editor should note the referee who contributed freely to assist with the reviewing process. Indeed, it is common that editors are busy and choose the easy road of ignoring the referees. But let us not justify such intellectual laziness.

            – Dilworth
            3 hours ago











          • @Dilworth why should we assume that there actually are serious scientific objections? As the editor together with other reviewers (I mean, there's almost always more than one reviewer) decided to publish the paper, so apparently their majority opinion is that the paper is adequate. From the supplied description, it seems that the arguments of the lone dissenting reviewer were listened to but they did not agree with their judgement - the opinion of peers seems to be that the problems are not serious, and review process is not a debate club for some reviewers to convince others of something.

            – Peteris
            2 hours ago






          • 1





            +1 The decision to accept or reject a paper lies entirely with the editor(s). All a referee can do is offer a recommendation. I've even had papers get rejected after receiving glowing referee reports. (This has happened to me both as the author and as the referee.) Moreover, does the OP even know for certain that they were the only referee? In my field top tier journals often send papers to multiple referees, as do editors attempting to fast track a paper.

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            1 hour ago







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          Probably I shouldn't have used the word "permission"; I know that the editor doesn't need it. However, the problems are "serious". What is the problem in convincing the referee with solid arguments instead of simply ignoring him/her?

          – Peaceful
          15 hours ago





          Probably I shouldn't have used the word "permission"; I know that the editor doesn't need it. However, the problems are "serious". What is the problem in convincing the referee with solid arguments instead of simply ignoring him/her?

          – Peaceful
          15 hours ago




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          @Peaceful if the editor disagrees with the referee, then convincing the referee with solid arguments takes time and effort but serves no useful purpose. It would be polite (but not absolutely necessary) to inform the referee of the decision, and it makes sense to ask questions to referee if their position is unclear; but if the arguments made by referee are clear to the editor but the editor intentionally chooses to act contrary to their recommendations, then why should they spend their time arguing with someone? As you say, the editor doesn't need your permission, that's their choice to make.

          – Peteris
          9 hours ago






          @Peaceful if the editor disagrees with the referee, then convincing the referee with solid arguments takes time and effort but serves no useful purpose. It would be polite (but not absolutely necessary) to inform the referee of the decision, and it makes sense to ask questions to referee if their position is unclear; but if the arguments made by referee are clear to the editor but the editor intentionally chooses to act contrary to their recommendations, then why should they spend their time arguing with someone? As you say, the editor doesn't need your permission, that's their choice to make.

          – Peteris
          9 hours ago





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          Any reasonably academic who cares for intellectual honesty should argue with anyone that raises serious scientific objections about a work they are editing or involved in. That is basic. At least the editor should note the referee who contributed freely to assist with the reviewing process. Indeed, it is common that editors are busy and choose the easy road of ignoring the referees. But let us not justify such intellectual laziness.

          – Dilworth
          3 hours ago





          Any reasonably academic who cares for intellectual honesty should argue with anyone that raises serious scientific objections about a work they are editing or involved in. That is basic. At least the editor should note the referee who contributed freely to assist with the reviewing process. Indeed, it is common that editors are busy and choose the easy road of ignoring the referees. But let us not justify such intellectual laziness.

          – Dilworth
          3 hours ago













          @Dilworth why should we assume that there actually are serious scientific objections? As the editor together with other reviewers (I mean, there's almost always more than one reviewer) decided to publish the paper, so apparently their majority opinion is that the paper is adequate. From the supplied description, it seems that the arguments of the lone dissenting reviewer were listened to but they did not agree with their judgement - the opinion of peers seems to be that the problems are not serious, and review process is not a debate club for some reviewers to convince others of something.

          – Peteris
          2 hours ago





          @Dilworth why should we assume that there actually are serious scientific objections? As the editor together with other reviewers (I mean, there's almost always more than one reviewer) decided to publish the paper, so apparently their majority opinion is that the paper is adequate. From the supplied description, it seems that the arguments of the lone dissenting reviewer were listened to but they did not agree with their judgement - the opinion of peers seems to be that the problems are not serious, and review process is not a debate club for some reviewers to convince others of something.

          – Peteris
          2 hours ago




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          +1 The decision to accept or reject a paper lies entirely with the editor(s). All a referee can do is offer a recommendation. I've even had papers get rejected after receiving glowing referee reports. (This has happened to me both as the author and as the referee.) Moreover, does the OP even know for certain that they were the only referee? In my field top tier journals often send papers to multiple referees, as do editors attempting to fast track a paper.

          – Ben Linowitz
          1 hour ago





          +1 The decision to accept or reject a paper lies entirely with the editor(s). All a referee can do is offer a recommendation. I've even had papers get rejected after receiving glowing referee reports. (This has happened to me both as the author and as the referee.) Moreover, does the OP even know for certain that they were the only referee? In my field top tier journals often send papers to multiple referees, as do editors attempting to fast track a paper.

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          This probably isn't something to fight over. Possibilities abound:



          • Perhaps you misunderstood something.

          • Perhaps the other reviewers were positive on the paper.

          • Perhaps the authors provided arguments that your rejection reasons aren't applicable, and the editor found them convincing.

          • Perhaps the editor thinks it's better to accept a potentially bad paper than to reject a potentially good one.

          • Perhaps the authors said they cannot fix the issues (e.g. funding ran out, one of the lead experimenters graduated and is no longer in the group, etc) and the editor made the judgment call to accept anyway.

          • Perhaps the journal is short on papers to fill its issues and so is accepting borderline papers.

          • Perhaps the editor simply made a mistake, but since the paper is already accepted, decided to stick with accept instead of rescind the decision.

          Ultimately journals are going to publish whatever their editors think are acceptable. Reviewers do not "give permission" to publish something; they only offer recommendations. In the same way if there is a backlash against the journal for publishing this paper, it's the editors who take the heat, not the reviewers. So even if your objections are correct, it's probably still not something to fight over.



          If it really bothers you, you could email the editor asking why they accepted the article in spite of your comments. If the response they give isn't satisfactory, you could refuse to review for and/or publish in this journal in the future. If it really bothers you and you feel taking retributive action against the journal is justified, you could try denouncing the paper on social media (high-level summary of what happened), but be psychologically prepared for the drama that might follow.



          Alternatively, you could view the entire episode positively - hey, I can now write a paper arguing why this paper is wrong!






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          • I do agree. But I would like to point out that so far whenever I reviewed an article, whether accepted or rejected, the editor has always informed me so. The fact that this time it didn't happen when I questioned the core of the paper makes me feel bad. Editor might have simply said that the paper is now fine and we accept it. Period.

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            14 hours ago






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            @Peaceful does the journal use an editorial management system? If so, there's a chance that you weren't informed because of technicalities: i.e., you didn't review the last version of the paper that was accepted or rejected. I can't explain why this system is there, but it was in Editorial Manager when I last used it.

            – Allure
            14 hours ago






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            Basically if paper is submitted -> editor invites reviewers (including you) -> paper is sent for revision (you are notified) -> paper is revised -> editor invites reviewers, but does not invite you -> paper is accepted, then you aren't notified about a final decision because you didn't review the revision. If this happened, I'd guess that the editor didn't invite you the second time because he's already made a decision that went against your judgment.

            – Allure
            14 hours ago







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            If you're wondering why the editor might not invite you if he's already made a decision that went against your judgment, I once had a reviewer who wrote something like "this paper should still be rejected, however, I note you have already decided in its favor so I don't understand why you're asking me".

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          This probably isn't something to fight over. Possibilities abound:



          • Perhaps you misunderstood something.

          • Perhaps the other reviewers were positive on the paper.

          • Perhaps the authors provided arguments that your rejection reasons aren't applicable, and the editor found them convincing.

          • Perhaps the editor thinks it's better to accept a potentially bad paper than to reject a potentially good one.

          • Perhaps the authors said they cannot fix the issues (e.g. funding ran out, one of the lead experimenters graduated and is no longer in the group, etc) and the editor made the judgment call to accept anyway.

          • Perhaps the journal is short on papers to fill its issues and so is accepting borderline papers.

          • Perhaps the editor simply made a mistake, but since the paper is already accepted, decided to stick with accept instead of rescind the decision.

          Ultimately journals are going to publish whatever their editors think are acceptable. Reviewers do not "give permission" to publish something; they only offer recommendations. In the same way if there is a backlash against the journal for publishing this paper, it's the editors who take the heat, not the reviewers. So even if your objections are correct, it's probably still not something to fight over.



          If it really bothers you, you could email the editor asking why they accepted the article in spite of your comments. If the response they give isn't satisfactory, you could refuse to review for and/or publish in this journal in the future. If it really bothers you and you feel taking retributive action against the journal is justified, you could try denouncing the paper on social media (high-level summary of what happened), but be psychologically prepared for the drama that might follow.



          Alternatively, you could view the entire episode positively - hey, I can now write a paper arguing why this paper is wrong!






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          • I do agree. But I would like to point out that so far whenever I reviewed an article, whether accepted or rejected, the editor has always informed me so. The fact that this time it didn't happen when I questioned the core of the paper makes me feel bad. Editor might have simply said that the paper is now fine and we accept it. Period.

            – Peaceful
            14 hours ago






          • 1





            @Peaceful does the journal use an editorial management system? If so, there's a chance that you weren't informed because of technicalities: i.e., you didn't review the last version of the paper that was accepted or rejected. I can't explain why this system is there, but it was in Editorial Manager when I last used it.

            – Allure
            14 hours ago






          • 2





            Basically if paper is submitted -> editor invites reviewers (including you) -> paper is sent for revision (you are notified) -> paper is revised -> editor invites reviewers, but does not invite you -> paper is accepted, then you aren't notified about a final decision because you didn't review the revision. If this happened, I'd guess that the editor didn't invite you the second time because he's already made a decision that went against your judgment.

            – Allure
            14 hours ago







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            If you're wondering why the editor might not invite you if he's already made a decision that went against your judgment, I once had a reviewer who wrote something like "this paper should still be rejected, however, I note you have already decided in its favor so I don't understand why you're asking me".

            – Allure
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          This probably isn't something to fight over. Possibilities abound:



          • Perhaps you misunderstood something.

          • Perhaps the other reviewers were positive on the paper.

          • Perhaps the authors provided arguments that your rejection reasons aren't applicable, and the editor found them convincing.

          • Perhaps the editor thinks it's better to accept a potentially bad paper than to reject a potentially good one.

          • Perhaps the authors said they cannot fix the issues (e.g. funding ran out, one of the lead experimenters graduated and is no longer in the group, etc) and the editor made the judgment call to accept anyway.

          • Perhaps the journal is short on papers to fill its issues and so is accepting borderline papers.

          • Perhaps the editor simply made a mistake, but since the paper is already accepted, decided to stick with accept instead of rescind the decision.

          Ultimately journals are going to publish whatever their editors think are acceptable. Reviewers do not "give permission" to publish something; they only offer recommendations. In the same way if there is a backlash against the journal for publishing this paper, it's the editors who take the heat, not the reviewers. So even if your objections are correct, it's probably still not something to fight over.



          If it really bothers you, you could email the editor asking why they accepted the article in spite of your comments. If the response they give isn't satisfactory, you could refuse to review for and/or publish in this journal in the future. If it really bothers you and you feel taking retributive action against the journal is justified, you could try denouncing the paper on social media (high-level summary of what happened), but be psychologically prepared for the drama that might follow.



          Alternatively, you could view the entire episode positively - hey, I can now write a paper arguing why this paper is wrong!






          share|improve this answer















          This probably isn't something to fight over. Possibilities abound:



          • Perhaps you misunderstood something.

          • Perhaps the other reviewers were positive on the paper.

          • Perhaps the authors provided arguments that your rejection reasons aren't applicable, and the editor found them convincing.

          • Perhaps the editor thinks it's better to accept a potentially bad paper than to reject a potentially good one.

          • Perhaps the authors said they cannot fix the issues (e.g. funding ran out, one of the lead experimenters graduated and is no longer in the group, etc) and the editor made the judgment call to accept anyway.

          • Perhaps the journal is short on papers to fill its issues and so is accepting borderline papers.

          • Perhaps the editor simply made a mistake, but since the paper is already accepted, decided to stick with accept instead of rescind the decision.

          Ultimately journals are going to publish whatever their editors think are acceptable. Reviewers do not "give permission" to publish something; they only offer recommendations. In the same way if there is a backlash against the journal for publishing this paper, it's the editors who take the heat, not the reviewers. So even if your objections are correct, it's probably still not something to fight over.



          If it really bothers you, you could email the editor asking why they accepted the article in spite of your comments. If the response they give isn't satisfactory, you could refuse to review for and/or publish in this journal in the future. If it really bothers you and you feel taking retributive action against the journal is justified, you could try denouncing the paper on social media (high-level summary of what happened), but be psychologically prepared for the drama that might follow.



          Alternatively, you could view the entire episode positively - hey, I can now write a paper arguing why this paper is wrong!







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          • I do agree. But I would like to point out that so far whenever I reviewed an article, whether accepted or rejected, the editor has always informed me so. The fact that this time it didn't happen when I questioned the core of the paper makes me feel bad. Editor might have simply said that the paper is now fine and we accept it. Period.

            – Peaceful
            14 hours ago






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            @Peaceful does the journal use an editorial management system? If so, there's a chance that you weren't informed because of technicalities: i.e., you didn't review the last version of the paper that was accepted or rejected. I can't explain why this system is there, but it was in Editorial Manager when I last used it.

            – Allure
            14 hours ago






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            Basically if paper is submitted -> editor invites reviewers (including you) -> paper is sent for revision (you are notified) -> paper is revised -> editor invites reviewers, but does not invite you -> paper is accepted, then you aren't notified about a final decision because you didn't review the revision. If this happened, I'd guess that the editor didn't invite you the second time because he's already made a decision that went against your judgment.

            – Allure
            14 hours ago







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            If you're wondering why the editor might not invite you if he's already made a decision that went against your judgment, I once had a reviewer who wrote something like "this paper should still be rejected, however, I note you have already decided in its favor so I don't understand why you're asking me".

            – Allure
            14 hours ago

















          • I do agree. But I would like to point out that so far whenever I reviewed an article, whether accepted or rejected, the editor has always informed me so. The fact that this time it didn't happen when I questioned the core of the paper makes me feel bad. Editor might have simply said that the paper is now fine and we accept it. Period.

            – Peaceful
            14 hours ago






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            @Peaceful does the journal use an editorial management system? If so, there's a chance that you weren't informed because of technicalities: i.e., you didn't review the last version of the paper that was accepted or rejected. I can't explain why this system is there, but it was in Editorial Manager when I last used it.

            – Allure
            14 hours ago






          • 2





            Basically if paper is submitted -> editor invites reviewers (including you) -> paper is sent for revision (you are notified) -> paper is revised -> editor invites reviewers, but does not invite you -> paper is accepted, then you aren't notified about a final decision because you didn't review the revision. If this happened, I'd guess that the editor didn't invite you the second time because he's already made a decision that went against your judgment.

            – Allure
            14 hours ago







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            If you're wondering why the editor might not invite you if he's already made a decision that went against your judgment, I once had a reviewer who wrote something like "this paper should still be rejected, however, I note you have already decided in its favor so I don't understand why you're asking me".

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          I do agree. But I would like to point out that so far whenever I reviewed an article, whether accepted or rejected, the editor has always informed me so. The fact that this time it didn't happen when I questioned the core of the paper makes me feel bad. Editor might have simply said that the paper is now fine and we accept it. Period.

          – Peaceful
          14 hours ago





          I do agree. But I would like to point out that so far whenever I reviewed an article, whether accepted or rejected, the editor has always informed me so. The fact that this time it didn't happen when I questioned the core of the paper makes me feel bad. Editor might have simply said that the paper is now fine and we accept it. Period.

          – Peaceful
          14 hours ago




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          @Peaceful does the journal use an editorial management system? If so, there's a chance that you weren't informed because of technicalities: i.e., you didn't review the last version of the paper that was accepted or rejected. I can't explain why this system is there, but it was in Editorial Manager when I last used it.

          – Allure
          14 hours ago





          @Peaceful does the journal use an editorial management system? If so, there's a chance that you weren't informed because of technicalities: i.e., you didn't review the last version of the paper that was accepted or rejected. I can't explain why this system is there, but it was in Editorial Manager when I last used it.

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          Basically if paper is submitted -> editor invites reviewers (including you) -> paper is sent for revision (you are notified) -> paper is revised -> editor invites reviewers, but does not invite you -> paper is accepted, then you aren't notified about a final decision because you didn't review the revision. If this happened, I'd guess that the editor didn't invite you the second time because he's already made a decision that went against your judgment.

          – Allure
          14 hours ago






          Basically if paper is submitted -> editor invites reviewers (including you) -> paper is sent for revision (you are notified) -> paper is revised -> editor invites reviewers, but does not invite you -> paper is accepted, then you aren't notified about a final decision because you didn't review the revision. If this happened, I'd guess that the editor didn't invite you the second time because he's already made a decision that went against your judgment.

          – Allure
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          If you're wondering why the editor might not invite you if he's already made a decision that went against your judgment, I once had a reviewer who wrote something like "this paper should still be rejected, however, I note you have already decided in its favor so I don't understand why you're asking me".

          – Allure
          14 hours ago





          If you're wondering why the editor might not invite you if he's already made a decision that went against your judgment, I once had a reviewer who wrote something like "this paper should still be rejected, however, I note you have already decided in its favor so I don't understand why you're asking me".

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          As others have already said, it is up to the editor to decide if a paper gets published or not. That being said, I have been in the same situation before, and to be honest, it is extremely annoying to carefully write a review - I usually put more care into reviews where I recommend rejection than reviews of good papers - only to have it dismissed by the editor.



          My solution to the problem was simple. I stopped accepting referee requests from that journal, and submit my own work elsewhere. Since it is a well known mid-tier journal in my field, collaborators ask me why I don't want to submit there, and I tell them the story.






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            As others have already said, it is up to the editor to decide if a paper gets published or not. That being said, I have been in the same situation before, and to be honest, it is extremely annoying to carefully write a review - I usually put more care into reviews where I recommend rejection than reviews of good papers - only to have it dismissed by the editor.



            My solution to the problem was simple. I stopped accepting referee requests from that journal, and submit my own work elsewhere. Since it is a well known mid-tier journal in my field, collaborators ask me why I don't want to submit there, and I tell them the story.






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              As others have already said, it is up to the editor to decide if a paper gets published or not. That being said, I have been in the same situation before, and to be honest, it is extremely annoying to carefully write a review - I usually put more care into reviews where I recommend rejection than reviews of good papers - only to have it dismissed by the editor.



              My solution to the problem was simple. I stopped accepting referee requests from that journal, and submit my own work elsewhere. Since it is a well known mid-tier journal in my field, collaborators ask me why I don't want to submit there, and I tell them the story.






              share|improve this answer













              As others have already said, it is up to the editor to decide if a paper gets published or not. That being said, I have been in the same situation before, and to be honest, it is extremely annoying to carefully write a review - I usually put more care into reviews where I recommend rejection than reviews of good papers - only to have it dismissed by the editor.



              My solution to the problem was simple. I stopped accepting referee requests from that journal, and submit my own work elsewhere. Since it is a well known mid-tier journal in my field, collaborators ask me why I don't want to submit there, and I tell them the story.







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                  This isn't something to fight over. The editor made an editorial decision based upon your review, other reviews, and whatever the editorial policies and goals of the journal are. This is the proper editorial role.



                  As to what you can do -- you have the option of doing nothing, you can counter the problems in the paper in a paper of your own, if it's appropriate to do so, you can write a letter to the editor (I'd recommend doing this in the role of a reader of the paper, and not a referee, which would be inappropriate) -- in other words, you would do exactly what you would do if you had nothing to do with the reviewing process and read a paper you had issues with.



                  Lastly, if you were really offended by the process, you might consider whether or not you'd accept review request from that journal or that particular editor ever again. There's certainly a "cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face" aspect to effectively taking your ball and going home that might negatively impact you in the long run to turning down reviews, especially if you make the reason for that action known to the editor, but it might help you make your point.






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                    This isn't something to fight over. The editor made an editorial decision based upon your review, other reviews, and whatever the editorial policies and goals of the journal are. This is the proper editorial role.



                    As to what you can do -- you have the option of doing nothing, you can counter the problems in the paper in a paper of your own, if it's appropriate to do so, you can write a letter to the editor (I'd recommend doing this in the role of a reader of the paper, and not a referee, which would be inappropriate) -- in other words, you would do exactly what you would do if you had nothing to do with the reviewing process and read a paper you had issues with.



                    Lastly, if you were really offended by the process, you might consider whether or not you'd accept review request from that journal or that particular editor ever again. There's certainly a "cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face" aspect to effectively taking your ball and going home that might negatively impact you in the long run to turning down reviews, especially if you make the reason for that action known to the editor, but it might help you make your point.






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                      This isn't something to fight over. The editor made an editorial decision based upon your review, other reviews, and whatever the editorial policies and goals of the journal are. This is the proper editorial role.



                      As to what you can do -- you have the option of doing nothing, you can counter the problems in the paper in a paper of your own, if it's appropriate to do so, you can write a letter to the editor (I'd recommend doing this in the role of a reader of the paper, and not a referee, which would be inappropriate) -- in other words, you would do exactly what you would do if you had nothing to do with the reviewing process and read a paper you had issues with.



                      Lastly, if you were really offended by the process, you might consider whether or not you'd accept review request from that journal or that particular editor ever again. There's certainly a "cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face" aspect to effectively taking your ball and going home that might negatively impact you in the long run to turning down reviews, especially if you make the reason for that action known to the editor, but it might help you make your point.






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                      This isn't something to fight over. The editor made an editorial decision based upon your review, other reviews, and whatever the editorial policies and goals of the journal are. This is the proper editorial role.



                      As to what you can do -- you have the option of doing nothing, you can counter the problems in the paper in a paper of your own, if it's appropriate to do so, you can write a letter to the editor (I'd recommend doing this in the role of a reader of the paper, and not a referee, which would be inappropriate) -- in other words, you would do exactly what you would do if you had nothing to do with the reviewing process and read a paper you had issues with.



                      Lastly, if you were really offended by the process, you might consider whether or not you'd accept review request from that journal or that particular editor ever again. There's certainly a "cut-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face" aspect to effectively taking your ball and going home that might negatively impact you in the long run to turning down reviews, especially if you make the reason for that action known to the editor, but it might help you make your point.







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                          This is something that can and does happen in reputable and even prestigious journals. We do not have the full picture, only what you wrote, but based on my experience, I tend to believe you are correct, and the editor made a judgment that takes into account non-scientific factors such as:



                          • Efficiency. He/She does not have time to deal with the details too much. He/she needs to make a fast decision and it's safest to let the paper in because it was on a fast pace track anyway.


                          • Politics/Importance/Perceived-importance of papers/author. Since it was on a fast track the paper was probably important for some reason to the journal/editorial board. Maybe it gives them some prestigious? Or whatever reason. The editor knew there is a reason for concern, but went with publishing it because he/she decided to ignore what they perceive as "details" that "do not take into account the whole picture", or something like that.


                          • Possibly, the editor did a genuine decision, believing the paper merits acceptance, and that "you are just picking on the details". They may have a different view than yours, they may think that details are unimportant.


                          Overall, I tend to agree with your view: details are extremely important and decisions should be made based on objective merits solely as much as possible. Unfortunately, that is not how the system works.



                          Conclusions: You may want to fight a bit over it. I don't see it as harmful. Simply send an email to the editor to inform them that you think they made a wrong decision as long as the reviewers don't address your concerns. This will not change anything for the present paper, but for the next paper this editor will be more cautious I assume. He/she may be a bit pissed off by your email, but so be it.






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                            This is something that can and does happen in reputable and even prestigious journals. We do not have the full picture, only what you wrote, but based on my experience, I tend to believe you are correct, and the editor made a judgment that takes into account non-scientific factors such as:



                            • Efficiency. He/She does not have time to deal with the details too much. He/she needs to make a fast decision and it's safest to let the paper in because it was on a fast pace track anyway.


                            • Politics/Importance/Perceived-importance of papers/author. Since it was on a fast track the paper was probably important for some reason to the journal/editorial board. Maybe it gives them some prestigious? Or whatever reason. The editor knew there is a reason for concern, but went with publishing it because he/she decided to ignore what they perceive as "details" that "do not take into account the whole picture", or something like that.


                            • Possibly, the editor did a genuine decision, believing the paper merits acceptance, and that "you are just picking on the details". They may have a different view than yours, they may think that details are unimportant.


                            Overall, I tend to agree with your view: details are extremely important and decisions should be made based on objective merits solely as much as possible. Unfortunately, that is not how the system works.



                            Conclusions: You may want to fight a bit over it. I don't see it as harmful. Simply send an email to the editor to inform them that you think they made a wrong decision as long as the reviewers don't address your concerns. This will not change anything for the present paper, but for the next paper this editor will be more cautious I assume. He/she may be a bit pissed off by your email, but so be it.






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                              This is something that can and does happen in reputable and even prestigious journals. We do not have the full picture, only what you wrote, but based on my experience, I tend to believe you are correct, and the editor made a judgment that takes into account non-scientific factors such as:



                              • Efficiency. He/She does not have time to deal with the details too much. He/she needs to make a fast decision and it's safest to let the paper in because it was on a fast pace track anyway.


                              • Politics/Importance/Perceived-importance of papers/author. Since it was on a fast track the paper was probably important for some reason to the journal/editorial board. Maybe it gives them some prestigious? Or whatever reason. The editor knew there is a reason for concern, but went with publishing it because he/she decided to ignore what they perceive as "details" that "do not take into account the whole picture", or something like that.


                              • Possibly, the editor did a genuine decision, believing the paper merits acceptance, and that "you are just picking on the details". They may have a different view than yours, they may think that details are unimportant.


                              Overall, I tend to agree with your view: details are extremely important and decisions should be made based on objective merits solely as much as possible. Unfortunately, that is not how the system works.



                              Conclusions: You may want to fight a bit over it. I don't see it as harmful. Simply send an email to the editor to inform them that you think they made a wrong decision as long as the reviewers don't address your concerns. This will not change anything for the present paper, but for the next paper this editor will be more cautious I assume. He/she may be a bit pissed off by your email, but so be it.






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                              This is something that can and does happen in reputable and even prestigious journals. We do not have the full picture, only what you wrote, but based on my experience, I tend to believe you are correct, and the editor made a judgment that takes into account non-scientific factors such as:



                              • Efficiency. He/She does not have time to deal with the details too much. He/she needs to make a fast decision and it's safest to let the paper in because it was on a fast pace track anyway.


                              • Politics/Importance/Perceived-importance of papers/author. Since it was on a fast track the paper was probably important for some reason to the journal/editorial board. Maybe it gives them some prestigious? Or whatever reason. The editor knew there is a reason for concern, but went with publishing it because he/she decided to ignore what they perceive as "details" that "do not take into account the whole picture", or something like that.


                              • Possibly, the editor did a genuine decision, believing the paper merits acceptance, and that "you are just picking on the details". They may have a different view than yours, they may think that details are unimportant.


                              Overall, I tend to agree with your view: details are extremely important and decisions should be made based on objective merits solely as much as possible. Unfortunately, that is not how the system works.



                              Conclusions: You may want to fight a bit over it. I don't see it as harmful. Simply send an email to the editor to inform them that you think they made a wrong decision as long as the reviewers don't address your concerns. This will not change anything for the present paper, but for the next paper this editor will be more cautious I assume. He/she may be a bit pissed off by your email, but so be it.







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                                  Although it is not specifically helpful here, remember that publishing is only the first stage in peer-review, broadly conceived.



                                  You've done due diligence trying to fix things before they make it to the broader world (perhaps you should have argued for rejection initially?). But this isn't the only poorly done science out there: try not to amplify those signals by being careful about what you cite.



                                  Ideally, every paper is perfect and sound in all ways. But, given a flawed paper, there is also a question of whether some subset of the paper --- the core idea, perhaps --- might have value to the community. What you saw is disqualifying mathematical issues may not have been the part of the work the editor saw as valuable.






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                                    Although it is not specifically helpful here, remember that publishing is only the first stage in peer-review, broadly conceived.



                                    You've done due diligence trying to fix things before they make it to the broader world (perhaps you should have argued for rejection initially?). But this isn't the only poorly done science out there: try not to amplify those signals by being careful about what you cite.



                                    Ideally, every paper is perfect and sound in all ways. But, given a flawed paper, there is also a question of whether some subset of the paper --- the core idea, perhaps --- might have value to the community. What you saw is disqualifying mathematical issues may not have been the part of the work the editor saw as valuable.






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                                      Although it is not specifically helpful here, remember that publishing is only the first stage in peer-review, broadly conceived.



                                      You've done due diligence trying to fix things before they make it to the broader world (perhaps you should have argued for rejection initially?). But this isn't the only poorly done science out there: try not to amplify those signals by being careful about what you cite.



                                      Ideally, every paper is perfect and sound in all ways. But, given a flawed paper, there is also a question of whether some subset of the paper --- the core idea, perhaps --- might have value to the community. What you saw is disqualifying mathematical issues may not have been the part of the work the editor saw as valuable.






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                                      Although it is not specifically helpful here, remember that publishing is only the first stage in peer-review, broadly conceived.



                                      You've done due diligence trying to fix things before they make it to the broader world (perhaps you should have argued for rejection initially?). But this isn't the only poorly done science out there: try not to amplify those signals by being careful about what you cite.



                                      Ideally, every paper is perfect and sound in all ways. But, given a flawed paper, there is also a question of whether some subset of the paper --- the core idea, perhaps --- might have value to the community. What you saw is disqualifying mathematical issues may not have been the part of the work the editor saw as valuable.







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